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Speaker 1: We've had quite a lot of people get in contact

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Speaker 1: with us this morning about the new toilets at cull

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Speaker 1: And Bay, plenty of you questioning why they have cost

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Speaker 2: Now joining us on the line.

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Speaker 1: To talk further about this is the Lord Mayor of

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Speaker 1: Darwin convat Scarlets.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, con.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and of course, like your listeners, I

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Speaker 3: questioned the cost of the toilet. But the five hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars today published in the Anti News, it's not

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Speaker 3: the cost for the toilet only, it's costs for landscaping

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Speaker 3: and services provided to this area.

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Speaker 2: So Conn. The toilets aren't gold plated.

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Speaker 3: Of course, not the gold plate its Actually, as a

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Speaker 3: matter of fact, the Calm Bay area never had a

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Speaker 3: public toilet and we had situations and complaints for businessmen

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Speaker 3: that a lot of people they want to go to

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Speaker 3: the toilet, they had to rush into the different shops

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Speaker 3: trying to access their toilets in order to relift themselves.

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Speaker 3: So there was no public toilet there and we put

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Speaker 3: one toilet block that's got actually five toilets, three unisex.

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Speaker 3: One toilet that's got also a table for people to

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Speaker 3: change their babies. And another one that's accessible to people

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Speaker 3: with disabilities.

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Speaker 1: Connor, don't think anybody is questioning the need for the toilet's,

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Speaker 1: say tulum Buy. I think most of us would embrace

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Speaker 1: the fact that there is now a public toilet block

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Speaker 1: at colum Buy. But why has it cost so much Moneytie?

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Speaker 3: This is what we have to pay to actually get

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Speaker 3: toilets on the ground. The one and we spoke about

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Speaker 3: it before, the one we put next to the playground

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Speaker 3: in the Estlant it cost us two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars and that's only two cubicles, because that's what

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Speaker 3: it costs. And the automatic ones you've probably seen these

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Speaker 3: metallic ones that we put the automatic loose, they cost

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Speaker 3: three hundred thousand dollars each to fully install it. The

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Speaker 3: cost to put this kind of toilets, and because they

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Speaker 3: have to be done on set the standards and they

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Speaker 3: have to be accessible to people with disabilities, it's chirocketing.

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Speaker 3: It's not what we want to pay, and this is

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Speaker 3: what the market asked us to.

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Speaker 1: Payess may So the toilets at Columbai and that new

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Speaker 1: toilet block next to the next to the Esplanade playground

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Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars for both of those.

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Speaker 3: We actually we actually put four toilet blocks this year

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Speaker 3: and the cost is one point two million dollars. We

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Speaker 3: put the Esplan one we just spoke about it. We

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Speaker 3: put another toilet in a rapid craye fosil that is

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Speaker 3: one accessible toilet and one abulan toilet. And the Jigly

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Speaker 3: water gardens with one accessible toilets, to abule and toilets

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Speaker 3: and changing place, and of course the Calm Bay one

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Speaker 3: one point two million dollars. This is what it cost

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Speaker 3: council to provide these facilities for people that when they

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Speaker 3: need it.

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Speaker 2: Contat scarlets, holy shit part in the pun.

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Speaker 3: You can say that one, and I said that one

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Speaker 3: when I get the bill. But the other option is

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Speaker 3: not having public toilets, but I think that not acceptable.

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Speaker 3: But the general public, the public needed toilets. The toilets

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Speaker 3: have to be built in certain standards, and the toilets

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Speaker 3: have to be accessible to people with disabilities. All these

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Speaker 3: one months to quite a bit of money. But again,

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Speaker 3: what would you do if you go to Calum Bay

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Speaker 3: with your little child and it needs he or she

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Speaker 3: needs to go to the toilet. Will you accept my argument,

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Speaker 3: sorry it was too expensive role within put one yes,

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Speaker 3: or you actually blame me for lack of toilet.

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Speaker 2: Now it will look for me.

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Speaker 1: I think it is very important that we've got public toilets,

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Speaker 1: so I would never argue that. I'm just absolutely surprised

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Speaker 1: that how expensive it is to have a public toilet,

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Speaker 1: even from what you said, you know, those those self

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Speaker 1: flushing ones. Three hundred thousand dollars, it's an unbelievable amount

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Speaker 3: You see, you don't put just a brick wall and

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Speaker 3: It has to be probably tiled with a proper equipment.

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Speaker 3: And of course if you decide you want to put

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Speaker 3: this is the cost of doing business in down. This

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would assume though that every public sort

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Speaker 2: I would assume that you.

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Speaker 1: Know that is factored in any way to most of

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Speaker 3: It is. But that's what I'm talking about, because it's

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Speaker 3: not only just get a toilet. You have to connect

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Speaker 3: and security. You have to make sure that the equipment

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Speaker 3: you put in they're not going to cause any injury

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Speaker 3: have proper angle of approach when people using their wheelchairs.

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Speaker 3: I'm not an architect, but I'll tell you what. When

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Speaker 3: I see the prices, my eyes water. But at the

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Speaker 2: They do corn.

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Speaker 1: So to anybody out there listening who thinks that this

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Speaker 1: is an outrageous amount of money, what would you say

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Speaker 3: Ask the Palmers to city Council and ask other councils

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Speaker 3: around Australia how much it caused them to actually put

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Speaker 3: public infrastructure in place. We're not the only ones this

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Speaker 3: problem is around Australia. It cost every single council an

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Speaker 1: Well, Combat Scarlet, so I appreciate you having a chat

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Speaker 1: with us this morning. So can I just confirm the

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Speaker 1: toilet's next to the playground there on the esplanade.

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Speaker 2: They're now operational.

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Speaker 3: They are still the final touches required and will be

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what are we waiting for? What are the

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not the plumber of the construction,

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Speaker 3: but we'd never take anything unless we actually satisfy that's

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Speaker 3: done according to the standards and what we have paid for.

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Speaker 3: People will check it, find out what complies with the

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Speaker 3: standards we require and it's functional, and then we'll open it.

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Speaker 3: It's up. Because I drove past that one this morning.

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Speaker 3: It's got some red flags around it, and I expect

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Speaker 1: Well, Combat Scarlets, good to talk to you this morning.

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Speaker 1: I always appreciate your time. Thank you for having a

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Speaker 3: Just to find to tell you while we're talking, I've

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Speaker 3: been advised at the toilets now they are opening.

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Speaker 2: Ones are now eleven go.

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Speaker 3: You can go.

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Speaker 2: Good to hear no more watering eyes.

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Speaker 1: Have a good morning, you two com thank you the

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Speaker 1: Lord Mayor of dowing their combatskar Cities just ten minutes.

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Speaker 2: Away from eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, I had no idea that it

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Speaker 1: costs that much money to build a public toilet, but

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Speaker 1: there go three hundred thousand for those other self flushing ones. Unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. But I mean the Mayor makes a good point.

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Speaker 1: If we did have those toilets there, well I would

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Speaker 1: I'd be having a crack at him about there not

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Speaker 1: being toilets there, which I have. I've had a go

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Speaker 1: at him about that next to the Espanade. So we

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Speaker 1: do need to make sure that we've got toilet facilities around,

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Speaker 1: and I know that at Culum Bay. It's certainly been

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Speaker 1: an issue over the years as we've seen Culum Bay develop. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's always been beautifully developed down there at Culum Bay,

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Speaker 1: but as we've sort of seen it become a much

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Speaker 1: more popular place to go and take your family. A

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Speaker 1: certainly have fish and chips and that kind of thing

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Speaker 1: on the lawns. You do need to make sure that

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Speaker 1: you've got those facilities in place,