WEBVTT - 05: Brothers in Arms 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:06.480 This podcast contains information and details relating to suicide. We 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:11.880 urge anyone struggling with their emotions to contact Lifeline on 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:19.040 thirteen eleven fourteen thirteen eleven fourteen or visit them at 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.239 lifeline dot org dot au. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.720 We also warn listeners that this episode contains graphic content. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:38.280 A twenty four year old devoted mother of two fleeing 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:47.880 a violent relationship as a mom bags packed car running, 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.760 her daughters strapped into the backseat. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.600 Mom told me that she needed to go back inside 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:55.400 to grab something. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:56.240 Panic. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.800 Amy is dead, Sir amys dead? 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.160 Eight confusion About five minutes they said, no, it's a suicide. 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.840 One hundred percent. This is Emergercy. 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:11.000 What do you think is really the honest truth about Amy? 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.320 The Truth about Amy? 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:23.839 Episode five. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:27.920 I'm Liam Bartlett. 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:33.120 And I'm Alison Sandy. 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:37.360 Can I mate? Here are going You must be Gareth Price? 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.600 How are you? Gareth? It's going on, Liam Bartlett L 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:42.920 seven new Spotlight. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:44.200 Yeah good, it's going on. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.840 We're in Oldbury, not far from Serpentine, at a small 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.920 white farmhouse set back about ten meters from the main road. 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.480 Parked in front of the double car garage is Gareth's 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:05.480 white ut looking a bit disheveled in a gray sleeveless 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:06.880 shirt and tracksuit pants. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:08.040 His hair is a. 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:13.000 Rye and his hands dirt stained. We know he's been 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.280 out with Josh Bryden for most of the day before 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.400 arriving home. Bridon was also there the day Amy died, 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:24.200 but says he left before it happened. Gareth appears a 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.880 bit erratic and hyperactive, not unlike Anna described him to 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.880 be at the inquest, and strides up to Liam, who 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.240 has his hand out, which he shakes firmly. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.840 Well, we're just doing a story about Amy Wensley. Yeah, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:39.960 we're wondering if you could answer a few questions for 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:40.560 us please. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:47.400 Gareth's face is a grimace. He's the same age Amy 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:52.040 would have been had she lived thirty four, exactly the 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.880 same age. They were born the same day, both six 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:03.720 years younger than David Simmons. This isn't Gareth's first rodeo. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.600 He's been interviewed by police many times, not just about this, 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.960 but other crimes. His rap sheet is long and includes 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:16.120 some serious offenses such as assault, occasioning bodily harm in 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:20.720 twenty eleven, along with damaging property, driving without a license, 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:25.280 unlawfully discharging a firearm and stealing a motor vehicle in 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:30.520 twenty seventeen. More recently, he appeared in court for common assault. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:32.560 Do you think it was a suicide that he was? 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:33.400 I was there. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.080 Will return to his interview with Liam later, but firstly, 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:44.080 here's some background. Gareth Edward toll Price was born eleventh 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:48.320 of February nineteen ninety. His friendship with Simmons came about 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.839 through their mutual love of hunting. He says they met 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:56.360 through his younger brother, Richard. Gareth can't remember the exact time, 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.600 but it was around the time Kay was born and 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.480 when he was still married to Chill mckerny, who became 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:05.720 friends with Amy. At the inquest, Gareth said he never 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.800 witnessed any violence between Simmons and Amy until the day 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:10.360 she died. 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.600 But before we get to that, let's return to the 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.960 night of twenty sixth of June twenty fourteen and the 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:25.479 statement that Gareth made to police. We'll start with the 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.599 moment the car was packed and the kids were in 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:33.520 the back seat and Amy went back inside. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.320 Simo then started the car so the heater was on 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.719 for the kids. Simo shouted to Amy. The kids said 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.920 hurry up, they want to go to Nana's. Amy shouted 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.640 back something like wait a minute. I then heard a 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.160 loud crack. I looked at Simo and said, what's she 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.320 breaking now. Simo turned off the car and walks into 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.560 the house. I followed him in and he opened the 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.240 door of the bedroom. Before I could get to the bedroom, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.800 Simo began screaming, oh fuck, oh fuck. He rang past 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.840 me outside of the house. I could smell gunpowder as 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.799 I walked through the bedroom. Amy was behind the door. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:07.760 In the corner of the room. There was a four 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.320 to ten shotgun resting on her leg. I grabbed hold 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.000 of the gun with my right hand and flicked it 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:13.920 back out of the way. 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:15.520 I don't know why I did that. 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.120 I grabbed hold of a towel from the floor and 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.840 threw it over Amy's head. I then went outside to 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.880 where Simo was on the patio, still freaking out. Neither 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.479 of us had a phone, so I jumped in the 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.480 car with Simo and drove up the road to the servo. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.360 To ring for the ambulance and police. We then went 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:32.159 back to the house. 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.159 Simo dropped me off and took the kids to Pinjara, 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:36.239 where their Nana lives. 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.760 I waited by the gates. I didn't go back up 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:39.320 to the house. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.080 About fifteen minutes later, Simo's dad came down and said, 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.479 what's going on. I said, she shot herself. He said, yeah, 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.640 I see that. Who's put a towel on her head? 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.880 I said I did. He then asked who moved the gun. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.240 I said I did. He said, I've unloaded it. 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:02.880 On August six, fourteen, just a little over a month later, 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:08.760 Gareth provides another statement to wa police. We pick up 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:10.280 at the same time as before. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.920 Amy was not saying anything while putting stuff in the car. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.159 I could tell she was angry, and I know that 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.279 she was crying. I saw Amy make about four trips 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.279 backwards and forwards putting things in the car. 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:23.840 The kids were asking if they could stay with Simo. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:29.240 Price says he then saw Simo take Neya inside, where 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:30.159 he spoke to Amy. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.400 He was only inside for a short time before coming 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.760 back out, maybe thirty seconds. He told the girls they 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.440 have to go with Amy. Simo put the girls in 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.720 the car. Simo also put some teddies in the car 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.240 for the girls. Simo yelled out to Amy while she 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:47.560 was inside to hurry up. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.279 Amy yelled back something like just give me a minute. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.039 Josh had left by this point, he had to go. 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.320 About the time Simo put the teddies in the car, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.800 Simo was kneeling down at the car talking to the kids. 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.760 Simo started the car to put the heater on as 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.520 the kids were cold. Music was on in the car also. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.120 I can't recall what the music was. It may have 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.680 been the radio. I then heard a crack, like a thud. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:16.559 It sounded like someone breaking something. Simo started walking toward 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.600 the gate that leads to the door to Endo the house. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:20.040 I was behind Simo. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.040 As I got to the door, Simo came running out, 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.440 saying fuck, fuck, fuck, with his hands up to his face. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.440 I went inside and I could smell gunpowder. I went 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.280 to Simo's bedroom and pushed the door open. It was 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:36.880 kind of stuck. Amy was behind the door. I went 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:38.760 in the room and flung the gun away from Amy. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.360 I touched the gun down near the butt. The gun 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.960 was on Amy with the barrel pointing up toward her head, 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.320 the butt near her foot on the floor. The gun 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.840 was a four to ten side by side shotgun. It's 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.760 Simo's gun. We used that gun to shoot rabbits. All 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.920 the boys use it. I used a couple of weeks ago. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.520 I've seen Simo use that gun. I've seen Amy use 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.800 it as well. Amy was making some noises. She was 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.120 sitting up against the wall. I could see blood on 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.240 the wall, and Amy looked to have been shot in 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.920 the head. I saw a towel on the floor in 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.360 the bedroom. I grabbed the towel and threw it onto 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.680 Amy's head. I think the towel was a marone or 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:19.080 red color, and it was a bath towel size. I 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.200 went out and said to Simo, we got to call someone. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.240 I went back in and got a mobile phone from 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.880 Simo's bedroom that was up in the cupboard. Simo told 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:29.800 me that the phone doesn't work. I said, let's go 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.760 to your dad's house. Simo said, Dad's not fucking home. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:34.560 I said, let's go to the servo. We got to 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.480 call somebody. We jumped in the Commodore. The kids were 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.680 still in the back. Simo was in the driver's seat 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.320 and I was the front passenger. The kids were asking 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:49.160 where's mum. Cimo told him she was sleeping. We drove 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.080 to the servo. Simo drove there fast. It normally takes 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.400 about ten minutes to get there. This time it took 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.440 about four minutes. We didn't go anywhere else. We drove 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.480 straight to the servo. We didn't say much on the 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.280 way to the servo. What could you say? Simo called 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.480 Triple zero and got an ambulance. He used the landline phone. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.880 I told Simo to tell them that your missus shot 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.559 herself in the head. Simo told them that on the phone. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.240 After that, Simo tried to call his dad a couple 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.360 of times, but he couldn't get through to him. We're 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.920 at servo for about ten to fifteen minutes. We left 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:27.079 the servo and drove back to Simo's place. Simo dropped 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.760 me off on Southwest Highway at the front of his place. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.720 On the way back, the only thing Simo said was 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.920 that Amy was a gutless piece of shit and why 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:36.640 would she do it. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.520 I think Simo was in a bit of shock. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:39.880 Really. 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:43.400 I waited there on the side of the road to 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.000 direct the ambulance. Simo left and took the kids to 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.360 Pinjarra to Amy's mum's house. I was out in the 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.199 front for ages. I don't know how many minutes, maybe 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.880 twenty Simo's dad came down and asked me what happened. 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.160 I said, she's dead, mate, she shot herself. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.960 The rest of the conversation is very similar to the 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:09.920 previous statement. Four years later, cold case detectives again come 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:16.240 knocking and Gareth makes another statement, but unfortunately we don't 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.800 have a copy of that. He was also questioned vigorously 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.560 at the coronial inquest in twenty twenty one. One point 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.719 raised by Gareth then that he doesn't seem to mention elsewhere, 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:35.640 were claims that his wife, Rachel, told him that Amy 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:43.120 asked her if she'd ever thought of killing herself. Gareth 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:47.720 goes on to say Amy was on antidepressants and many 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.840 of her family members, such as her aunt and uncle, 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:58.120 tried to kill themselves, which we're reliably informed is absolutely 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:05.800 not true. During the inquest, counsel assisting the coroner, Sarah Tyler, 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:10.439 seeks to find the origin of these false claims. 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:12.760 Was it Amy that told you that? 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:14.960 No, it wasn't. I think it was Simo. 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.000 And that's the only time that you can think of 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.400 that Amy has ever talked about hurting herself or depression or. 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.520 It was it was that day with Rachel, Yes. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.880 And Rachel had actually spent the previous night at Amy 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:28.080 and simmons place. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.160 We just stayed in the shed because there was another 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:30.760 room in there. 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.320 He says he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:38.800 with Amy. Then the next morning, Gareth heads to work 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:43.880 and when he returns, Amy is not home yet. When 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.360 she does come home, she and Simmons argue. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.000 Do you remember what started the argument? 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.640 I think it was because Simo was just no. She 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.760 hated his drinking, like she just didn't like him drinking. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.800 They also argue about him having lost his phone and 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.920 Amy wanting to look at Josh Brydon's phone instead. Gareth 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.359 goes off on a bit of a tangent at this point. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.000 And I'm like, yes, whatever, all right, I'm like, yes, 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.400 I just knocked off work, like let's just do something. 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.920 They had guns out we were shooting some birds and 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.840 we had yes out there shooting birds and stuff like that. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.760 Simo nailed at twenty two with that sorry at twenty seven, 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:24.480 one of the parrots with a bloody. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.600 The deputy coroner interjects. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:27.360 Twenty eight. I think they're. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.920 Called twenty that's the one twenty eight with the rifle 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.880 like that and bloody then, yes, that was before Amy 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.320 got there then, because we got all the guns there, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.840 because we wanted to have it be like just a 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.319 big shooting, like let's shoot at Clay targets in the 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:42.880 whole lot, like, let's go shooting. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:48.360 Mss Tyler directs Gareth back to the argument between Simmons 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:48.960 and Amy. 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.440 Amy just punched straight in the head twice and head 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.760 butted him straight up, and then got a mirror and 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.080 went to hit him with a mirror, and Simo who's 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:57.960 got her by both arms and placed her to the 0:12:57.960 --> 0:12:59.240 floor and said cut it out. 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:00.000 Enough is enough? 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:00.520 Like that? 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:01.679 Yeah, where was this? 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.200 This was in the hallway kitchen, Like. 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.000 Do you remember getting up and grabbing the mirror? 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:07.720 Yes, I got up, and I'm pretty sure I put 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.520 it back in the spot where she bloody took it from. 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:10.920 Okay, why did you do that? 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.400 Because that's where it belongs, on the bloody wall, not 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:14.079 on the ground. 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:14.520 All right. 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.559 Were they still on the ground at that point? 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:16.800 No? 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.360 I said cut it all out. You're being bloody stupid. 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:20.280 What are you fighting for? 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:21.040 Did they listen? 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.320 They both got up. Then she just started packing the 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:23.800 car up. 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.040 What was Amy like at that point? Was she angry. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:26.720 Was she sad? 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.760 Yes, she was crying. I said, do you want some help? 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:31.360 And she said like no. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.440 He says. After that, Amy flips the lizard tank up 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.439 and he helped Josh catch the lizards while Amy packed 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.760 the car and Simmons talked to the kids. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.800 Do you know how many trips Amy would have done? 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.559 She done a fair few, about maybe three trips, I reckon, 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.400 I counted for about three trips, and she yes. Because 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:53.920 I opened the door for her, I said, do you 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:54.600 want another hand? 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:55.079 Are you right? 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.040 And you can't remember exactly what she packed into the car. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.120 No, No, she was packing her kid's cloth, her clothes. 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.400 She was packing the stuff into the car into the boot. 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.600 Was she running back and forth or walking? 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.920 Or she was like powe walking. I guess you know, 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:09.959 when you're angering you just you just storm off. 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:11.400 Seemed to be in a hurry. 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.600 Yes, just packing her stuff and going to get out 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:13.880 of there. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.640 Yes, what happened after that? So she's in the house. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.560 Yes, we heard a thud and then I said, what's 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.800 she breaking now? And bloody? And then I smelt it. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:23.680 It was gunpowder. 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.680 Gareth says at this point, he's outside having a smoke 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.720 and Simmons is with the kids. 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.920 Then he's come through the gate, gone inside. I heard 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.600 a thud and he just came running straight out, punching 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.640 the shed and he like just broke down and just 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.800 I'm like, as he's run past me, like what's wrong? 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.120 He goes, is she alive? 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:45.400 Bro? 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:46.800 He goes, is she alive? 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:52.080 The deputy coroner tries to ascertain where Gareth is when 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.320 Simmons goes inside. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.040 So you had followed him into the house, yes, I 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:58.560 was right behind him, like pretty much. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.080 And then he runs back past you out of the house. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.120 Yes, started punching into the shed and just starts crying 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:05.160 and screaming and stuff. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.160 Do you know how long David would have been inside 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:07.760 without you? 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:08.080 Shit? 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.720 Probably like seconds. It would have been seconds you were 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.240 right behind him, yes, seconds like this time. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.680 Gareth says, the gun was pretty much positioned between her legs. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.640 The rifle was on her. She was like she was 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:24.000 only a little, small, little lady like woman. Well, I 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.320 walked in there and I was like, yes, rip the 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.960 gun off, and then just covered her face up, then 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.320 went back out and Simo said what do we do? 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:32.960 What do we do? And I was like, bro, we've 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.000 got to call somebody. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:38.000 Gareth has asked if he noticed the missing door handle. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:42.320 Yes, actually no, not until like after you just told me. 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.840 When I walked in there, I left the bloody I 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.960 left it open, yes, because like when I walked in, 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.320 I just like ram the door, and I suppose that's 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:50.160 how her body moves. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.080 So you used a bit of force, did you. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.280 Because it was stuck. I couldn't get in. I was 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.040 like just fully opened. 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.360 It was that the first or second time you went in. 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.000 First time I went in there, and I've just like 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.240 get in there, like I've just pushed it straight open. 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.720 So after David had run out, you were obviously right 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.280 behind him to go in. Yes, you didn't realize at 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:10.720 that point she had shot herself. 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:12.920 No, I thought she was breaking something. But as soon 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:14.040 as he said is she alive? 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.000 That's when I didn't say that to you before he 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:16.400 went in. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.480 No, he goes as he was coming like what can 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.000 you do? All right, I'll see what I can do. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.480 Can't move. I just went in there and bloody, like, 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.560 holy shit, I can't help you. 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:31.320 Neither had a phone. Gareth says he went back into 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:35.520 Amy and patted her down for her phone. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.400 So when you patted her down looking for her phone. 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:38.240 You didn't find the phone. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.560 Do you think you would have moved her leg or anything? 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.120 Well, no, I just checked her pockets. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.760 You pat checked, yes, because well we needed to call somebody, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:45.120 all right. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.640 Gareth is asked about why they didn't go to the 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:53.359 big house to use the phone there. He says Simmons 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.600 told him his dad was out. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.600 David wouldn't have a key, no, he reckons, he's a 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:02.880 little Yes, yes, no, he doesn't have a key. I 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.160 don't think he had a key. He might know where 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.000 he stashed it or something, but I don't know why 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:09.560 he didn't go up to the top of the house. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.320 So they go to the service station to make the 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:16.760 triple zero call. Gareth is with Simmons when he makes 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:21.240 that call. The coroner refers to a second call made 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:21.920 by Simmons. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:23.280 Do you know who he called? 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.119 Well, no, because I went because after he spoke to 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:27.560 the got a hold of the coppers. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.000 I just went back into the car, did you Yes. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.000 Because we know from the service station owner that David 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.080 asked if he could use the phone another time, and 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.960 he said yes, And David then went out the front 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.920 and called someone and I'm sure that the service station 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.160 owner said that you were with him when he did that. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:44.040 You can't remember. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.639 No, I don't remember that the second person he called. 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.159 There is mention in one of your interviews about David 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.480 trying to call his dad. Do you remember anything about that. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:53.960 Well, he might have called him, Yes, he might have 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.520 called Bert, Yes, because I know he didn't. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.439 I'm pretty sure he didn't speak to him. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.560 When I was on the phone with him, hear him 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:01.400 talk to his dad. 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.560 No, I was like, pretty looking too busy, Just zone 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:12.520 it out. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.440 Gareth Is then questioned about evidence provided by Nea, who 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.400 was six at the time and talked to a child 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.040 interviewer about the event shortly after. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.159 Her memory is not too good of what occurred, but 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.639 she did mention something about us stop at the rubbish bins. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.560 Do you know what that's about. No, he didn't stop 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:33.960 at any rubbish bins anywhere. 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:34.600 No. 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:34.760 No. 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.639 Nea also mentioned something about David using a gun to 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.439 shoot at a bird while they were waiting in the 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:40.560 car or a tree. 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:40.880 Yes. 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:42.600 Can you tell me what you remember about that and 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.760 shot it? Can you tell me what time that was? 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:46.879 No, I know it was the afternoon. 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:47.440 With the kids in the car. 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.120 At this point, yes, when he shot the bird, Yes, yes, 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:50.640 all right. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.440 Because of Neya's age at the time, not much weight 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:59.400 was given to this evidence. Gareth proceeds to provide more 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.720 details about the discussion he had with Robert or Bert 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.800 as he calls him at the front gate. After seeing 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.879 Amy's dead body for the first time. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:12.800 He goes, what's going on? Did Simo do it? 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:12.919 So? 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.800 He said that, yes, straight up. He goes, did Simo 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.040 do it? I was like, no, bro, no, no, no, 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.560 and bloody, where did he go? I said, he's taking 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.800 the kids to Nancy's, dropping them off to their nanas. 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:25.800 So at that point, as far as you know, had 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.480 Bert already gone inside the house? 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.800