Speaker 1: This podcast contains information and details relating to suicide. We
Speaker 1: urge anyone struggling with their emotions to contact Lifeline on
Speaker 1: thirteen eleven fourteen thirteen eleven fourteen or visit them at
Speaker 1: lifeline dot org dot au.
Speaker 2: We also warn listeners that this episode contains graphic content.
Speaker 1: A twenty four year old devoted mother of two fleeing
Speaker 1: a violent relationship as a mom bags packed car running,
Speaker 1: her daughters strapped into the backseat.
Speaker 3: Mom told me that she needed to go back inside
Speaker 3: to grab something.
Speaker 1: Panic.
Speaker 4: Amy is dead, Sir amys dead?
Speaker 5: Eight confusion About five minutes they said, no, it's a suicide.
Speaker 6: One hundred percent. This is Emergercy.
Speaker 1: What do you think is really the honest truth about Amy?
Speaker 7: The Truth about Amy?
Speaker 2: Episode five.
Speaker 1: I'm Liam Bartlett.
Speaker 2: And I'm Alison Sandy.
Speaker 1: Can I mate? Here are going You must be Gareth Price?
Speaker 1: How are you? Gareth? It's going on, Liam Bartlett L
Speaker 1: seven new Spotlight.
Speaker 4: Yeah good, it's going on.
Speaker 2: We're in Oldbury, not far from Serpentine, at a small
Speaker 2: white farmhouse set back about ten meters from the main road.
Speaker 2: Parked in front of the double car garage is Gareth's
Speaker 2: white ut looking a bit disheveled in a gray sleeveless
Speaker 2: shirt and tracksuit pants.
Speaker 8: His hair is a.
Speaker 2: Rye and his hands dirt stained. We know he's been
Speaker 2: out with Josh Bryden for most of the day before
Speaker 2: arriving home. Bridon was also there the day Amy died,
Speaker 2: but says he left before it happened. Gareth appears a
Speaker 2: bit erratic and hyperactive, not unlike Anna described him to
Speaker 2: be at the inquest, and strides up to Liam, who
Speaker 2: has his hand out, which he shakes firmly.
Speaker 1: Well, we're just doing a story about Amy Wensley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're wondering if you could answer a few questions for
Speaker 1: us please.
Speaker 2: Gareth's face is a grimace. He's the same age Amy
Speaker 2: would have been had she lived thirty four, exactly the
Speaker 2: same age. They were born the same day, both six
Speaker 2: years younger than David Simmons. This isn't Gareth's first rodeo.
Speaker 2: He's been interviewed by police many times, not just about this,
Speaker 2: but other crimes. His rap sheet is long and includes
Speaker 2: some serious offenses such as assault, occasioning bodily harm in
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, along with damaging property, driving without a license,
Speaker 2: unlawfully discharging a firearm and stealing a motor vehicle in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. More recently, he appeared in court for common assault.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was a suicide that he was?
Speaker 6: I was there.
Speaker 2: Will return to his interview with Liam later, but firstly,
Speaker 2: here's some background. Gareth Edward toll Price was born eleventh
Speaker 2: of February nineteen ninety. His friendship with Simmons came about
Speaker 2: through their mutual love of hunting. He says they met
Speaker 2: through his younger brother, Richard. Gareth can't remember the exact time,
Speaker 2: but it was around the time Kay was born and
Speaker 2: when he was still married to Chill mckerny, who became
Speaker 2: friends with Amy. At the inquest, Gareth said he never
Speaker 2: witnessed any violence between Simmons and Amy until the day
Speaker 2: she died.
Speaker 1: But before we get to that, let's return to the
Speaker 1: night of twenty sixth of June twenty fourteen and the
Speaker 1: statement that Gareth made to police. We'll start with the
Speaker 1: moment the car was packed and the kids were in
Speaker 1: the back seat and Amy went back inside.
Speaker 3: Simo then started the car so the heater was on
Speaker 3: for the kids. Simo shouted to Amy. The kids said
Speaker 3: hurry up, they want to go to Nana's. Amy shouted
Speaker 3: back something like wait a minute. I then heard a
Speaker 3: loud crack. I looked at Simo and said, what's she
Speaker 3: breaking now. Simo turned off the car and walks into
Speaker 3: the house. I followed him in and he opened the
Speaker 3: door of the bedroom. Before I could get to the bedroom,
Speaker 3: Simo began screaming, oh fuck, oh fuck. He rang past
Speaker 3: me outside of the house. I could smell gunpowder as
Speaker 3: I walked through the bedroom. Amy was behind the door.
Speaker 3: In the corner of the room. There was a four
Speaker 3: to ten shotgun resting on her leg. I grabbed hold
Speaker 3: of the gun with my right hand and flicked it
Speaker 3: back out of the way.
Speaker 9: I don't know why I did that.
Speaker 3: I grabbed hold of a towel from the floor and
Speaker 3: threw it over Amy's head. I then went outside to
Speaker 3: where Simo was on the patio, still freaking out. Neither
Speaker 3: of us had a phone, so I jumped in the
Speaker 3: car with Simo and drove up the road to the servo.
Speaker 9: To ring for the ambulance and police. We then went
Speaker 9: back to the house.
Speaker 3: Simo dropped me off and took the kids to Pinjara,
Speaker 3: where their Nana lives.
Speaker 9: I waited by the gates. I didn't go back up
Speaker 9: to the house.
Speaker 3: About fifteen minutes later, Simo's dad came down and said,
Speaker 3: what's going on. I said, she shot herself. He said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I see that. Who's put a towel on her head?
Speaker 3: I said I did. He then asked who moved the gun.
Speaker 3: I said I did. He said, I've unloaded it.
Speaker 1: On August six, fourteen, just a little over a month later,
Speaker 1: Gareth provides another statement to wa police. We pick up
Speaker 1: at the same time as before.
Speaker 3: Amy was not saying anything while putting stuff in the car.
Speaker 3: I could tell she was angry, and I know that
Speaker 3: she was crying. I saw Amy make about four trips
Speaker 3: backwards and forwards putting things in the car.
Speaker 9: The kids were asking if they could stay with Simo.
Speaker 1: Price says he then saw Simo take Neya inside, where
Speaker 1: he spoke to Amy.
Speaker 3: He was only inside for a short time before coming
Speaker 3: back out, maybe thirty seconds. He told the girls they
Speaker 3: have to go with Amy. Simo put the girls in
Speaker 3: the car. Simo also put some teddies in the car
Speaker 3: for the girls. Simo yelled out to Amy while she
Speaker 3: was inside to hurry up.
Speaker 9: Amy yelled back something like just give me a minute.
Speaker 9: Josh had left by this point, he had to go.
Speaker 3: About the time Simo put the teddies in the car,
Speaker 3: Simo was kneeling down at the car talking to the kids.
Speaker 3: Simo started the car to put the heater on as
Speaker 3: the kids were cold. Music was on in the car also.
Speaker 3: I can't recall what the music was. It may have
Speaker 3: been the radio. I then heard a crack, like a thud.
Speaker 3: It sounded like someone breaking something. Simo started walking toward
Speaker 3: the gate that leads to the door to Endo the house.
Speaker 9: I was behind Simo.
Speaker 3: As I got to the door, Simo came running out,
Speaker 3: saying fuck, fuck, fuck, with his hands up to his face.
Speaker 3: I went inside and I could smell gunpowder. I went
Speaker 3: to Simo's bedroom and pushed the door open. It was
Speaker 3: kind of stuck. Amy was behind the door. I went
Speaker 3: in the room and flung the gun away from Amy.
Speaker 3: I touched the gun down near the butt. The gun
Speaker 3: was on Amy with the barrel pointing up toward her head,
Speaker 3: the butt near her foot on the floor. The gun
Speaker 3: was a four to ten side by side shotgun. It's
Speaker 3: Simo's gun. We used that gun to shoot rabbits. All
Speaker 3: the boys use it. I used a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: I've seen Simo use that gun. I've seen Amy use
Speaker 3: it as well. Amy was making some noises. She was
Speaker 3: sitting up against the wall. I could see blood on
Speaker 3: the wall, and Amy looked to have been shot in
Speaker 3: the head. I saw a towel on the floor in
Speaker 3: the bedroom. I grabbed the towel and threw it onto
Speaker 3: Amy's head. I think the towel was a marone or
Speaker 3: red color, and it was a bath towel size. I
Speaker 3: went out and said to Simo, we got to call someone.
Speaker 3: I went back in and got a mobile phone from
Speaker 3: Simo's bedroom that was up in the cupboard. Simo told
Speaker 3: me that the phone doesn't work. I said, let's go
Speaker 3: to your dad's house. Simo said, Dad's not fucking home.
Speaker 3: I said, let's go to the servo. We got to
Speaker 3: call somebody. We jumped in the Commodore. The kids were
Speaker 3: still in the back. Simo was in the driver's seat
Speaker 3: and I was the front passenger. The kids were asking
Speaker 3: where's mum. Cimo told him she was sleeping. We drove
Speaker 3: to the servo. Simo drove there fast. It normally takes
Speaker 3: about ten minutes to get there. This time it took
Speaker 3: about four minutes. We didn't go anywhere else. We drove
Speaker 3: straight to the servo. We didn't say much on the
Speaker 3: way to the servo. What could you say? Simo called
Speaker 3: Triple zero and got an ambulance. He used the landline phone.
Speaker 3: I told Simo to tell them that your missus shot
Speaker 3: herself in the head. Simo told them that on the phone.
Speaker 3: After that, Simo tried to call his dad a couple
Speaker 3: of times, but he couldn't get through to him. We're
Speaker 3: at servo for about ten to fifteen minutes. We left
Speaker 3: the servo and drove back to Simo's place. Simo dropped
Speaker 3: me off on Southwest Highway at the front of his place.
Speaker 3: On the way back, the only thing Simo said was
Speaker 3: that Amy was a gutless piece of shit and why
Speaker 3: would she do it.
Speaker 9: I think Simo was in a bit of shock.
Speaker 6: Really.
Speaker 3: I waited there on the side of the road to
Speaker 3: direct the ambulance. Simo left and took the kids to
Speaker 3: Pinjarra to Amy's mum's house. I was out in the
Speaker 3: front for ages. I don't know how many minutes, maybe
Speaker 3: twenty Simo's dad came down and asked me what happened.
Speaker 3: I said, she's dead, mate, she shot herself.
Speaker 1: The rest of the conversation is very similar to the
Speaker 1: previous statement. Four years later, cold case detectives again come
Speaker 1: knocking and Gareth makes another statement, but unfortunately we don't
Speaker 1: have a copy of that. He was also questioned vigorously
Speaker 1: at the coronial inquest in twenty twenty one. One point
Speaker 1: raised by Gareth then that he doesn't seem to mention elsewhere,
Speaker 1: were claims that his wife, Rachel, told him that Amy
Speaker 1: asked her if she'd ever thought of killing herself. Gareth
Speaker 1: goes on to say Amy was on antidepressants and many
Speaker 1: of her family members, such as her aunt and uncle,
Speaker 1: tried to kill themselves, which we're reliably informed is absolutely
Speaker 1: not true. During the inquest, counsel assisting the coroner, Sarah Tyler,
Speaker 1: seeks to find the origin of these false claims.
Speaker 7: Was it Amy that told you that?
Speaker 9: No, it wasn't. I think it was Simo.
Speaker 7: And that's the only time that you can think of
Speaker 7: that Amy has ever talked about hurting herself or depression or.
Speaker 9: It was it was that day with Rachel, Yes.
Speaker 1: And Rachel had actually spent the previous night at Amy
Speaker 1: and simmons place.
Speaker 9: We just stayed in the shed because there was another
Speaker 9: room in there.
Speaker 1: He says he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary
Speaker 1: with Amy. Then the next morning, Gareth heads to work
Speaker 1: and when he returns, Amy is not home yet. When
Speaker 1: she does come home, she and Simmons argue.
Speaker 7: Do you remember what started the argument?
Speaker 3: I think it was because Simo was just no. She
Speaker 3: hated his drinking, like she just didn't like him drinking.
Speaker 1: They also argue about him having lost his phone and
Speaker 1: Amy wanting to look at Josh Brydon's phone instead. Gareth
Speaker 1: goes off on a bit of a tangent at this point.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yes, whatever, all right, I'm like, yes,
Speaker 3: I just knocked off work, like let's just do something.
Speaker 3: They had guns out we were shooting some birds and
Speaker 3: we had yes out there shooting birds and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Simo nailed at twenty two with that sorry at twenty seven,
Speaker 3: one of the parrots with a bloody.
Speaker 1: The deputy coroner interjects.
Speaker 10: Twenty eight. I think they're.
Speaker 3: Called twenty that's the one twenty eight with the rifle
Speaker 3: like that and bloody then, yes, that was before Amy
Speaker 3: got there then, because we got all the guns there,
Speaker 3: because we wanted to have it be like just a
Speaker 3: big shooting, like let's shoot at Clay targets in the
Speaker 3: whole lot, like, let's go shooting.
Speaker 1: Mss Tyler directs Gareth back to the argument between Simmons
Speaker 1: and Amy.
Speaker 3: Amy just punched straight in the head twice and head
Speaker 3: butted him straight up, and then got a mirror and
Speaker 3: went to hit him with a mirror, and Simo who's
Speaker 3: got her by both arms and placed her to the
Speaker 3: floor and said cut it out.
Speaker 9: Enough is enough?
Speaker 1: Like that?
Speaker 7: Yeah, where was this?
Speaker 9: This was in the hallway kitchen, Like.
Speaker 7: Do you remember getting up and grabbing the mirror?
Speaker 3: Yes, I got up, and I'm pretty sure I put
Speaker 3: it back in the spot where she bloody took it from.
Speaker 7: Okay, why did you do that?
Speaker 9: Because that's where it belongs, on the bloody wall, not
Speaker 9: on the ground.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 7: Were they still on the ground at that point?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 3: I said cut it all out. You're being bloody stupid.
Speaker 3: What are you fighting for?
Speaker 7: Did they listen?
Speaker 9: They both got up. Then she just started packing the
Speaker 9: car up.
Speaker 7: What was Amy like at that point? Was she angry.
Speaker 7: Was she sad?
Speaker 9: Yes, she was crying. I said, do you want some help?
Speaker 9: And she said like no.
Speaker 1: He says. After that, Amy flips the lizard tank up
Speaker 1: and he helped Josh catch the lizards while Amy packed
Speaker 1: the car and Simmons talked to the kids.
Speaker 7: Do you know how many trips Amy would have done?
Speaker 3: She done a fair few, about maybe three trips, I reckon,
Speaker 3: I counted for about three trips, and she yes. Because
Speaker 3: I opened the door for her, I said, do you
Speaker 3: want another hand?
Speaker 9: Are you right?
Speaker 7: And you can't remember exactly what she packed into the car.
Speaker 3: No, No, she was packing her kid's cloth, her clothes.
Speaker 3: She was packing the stuff into the car into the boot.
Speaker 7: Was she running back and forth or walking?
Speaker 9: Or she was like powe walking. I guess you know,
Speaker 9: when you're angering you just you just storm off.
Speaker 7: Seemed to be in a hurry.
Speaker 9: Yes, just packing her stuff and going to get out
Speaker 9: of there.
Speaker 7: Yes, what happened after that? So she's in the house.
Speaker 9: Yes, we heard a thud and then I said, what's
Speaker 9: she breaking now? And bloody? And then I smelt it.
Speaker 9: It was gunpowder.
Speaker 1: Gareth says at this point, he's outside having a smoke
Speaker 1: and Simmons is with the kids.
Speaker 3: Then he's come through the gate, gone inside. I heard
Speaker 3: a thud and he just came running straight out, punching
Speaker 3: the shed and he like just broke down and just
Speaker 3: I'm like, as he's run past me, like what's wrong?
Speaker 3: He goes, is she alive?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 9: He goes, is she alive?
Speaker 1: The deputy coroner tries to ascertain where Gareth is when
Speaker 1: Simmons goes inside.
Speaker 9: So you had followed him into the house, yes, I
Speaker 9: was right behind him, like pretty much.
Speaker 7: And then he runs back past you out of the house.
Speaker 3: Yes, started punching into the shed and just starts crying
Speaker 3: and screaming and stuff.
Speaker 7: Do you know how long David would have been inside
Speaker 7: without you?
Speaker 6: Shit?
Speaker 9: Probably like seconds. It would have been seconds you were
Speaker 9: right behind him, yes, seconds like this time.
Speaker 1: Gareth says, the gun was pretty much positioned between her legs.
Speaker 3: The rifle was on her. She was like she was
Speaker 3: only a little, small, little lady like woman. Well, I
Speaker 3: walked in there and I was like, yes, rip the
Speaker 3: gun off, and then just covered her face up, then
Speaker 3: went back out and Simo said what do we do?
Speaker 9: What do we do? And I was like, bro, we've
Speaker 9: got to call somebody.
Speaker 1: Gareth has asked if he noticed the missing door handle.
Speaker 9: Yes, actually no, not until like after you just told me.
Speaker 3: When I walked in there, I left the bloody I
Speaker 3: left it open, yes, because like when I walked in,
Speaker 3: I just like ram the door, and I suppose that's
Speaker 3: how her body moves.
Speaker 7: So you used a bit of force, did you.
Speaker 9: Because it was stuck. I couldn't get in. I was
Speaker 9: like just fully opened.
Speaker 7: It was that the first or second time you went in.
Speaker 3: First time I went in there, and I've just like
Speaker 3: get in there, like I've just pushed it straight open.
Speaker 7: So after David had run out, you were obviously right
Speaker 7: behind him to go in. Yes, you didn't realize at
Speaker 7: that point she had shot herself.
Speaker 9: No, I thought she was breaking something. But as soon
Speaker 9: as he said is she alive?
Speaker 7: That's when I didn't say that to you before he
Speaker 7: went in.
Speaker 3: No, he goes as he was coming like what can
Speaker 3: you do? All right, I'll see what I can do.
Speaker 3: Can't move. I just went in there and bloody, like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, I can't help you.
Speaker 1: Neither had a phone. Gareth says he went back into
Speaker 1: Amy and patted her down for her phone.
Speaker 7: So when you patted her down looking for her phone.
Speaker 9: You didn't find the phone.
Speaker 7: Do you think you would have moved her leg or anything?
Speaker 9: Well, no, I just checked her pockets.
Speaker 3: You pat checked, yes, because well we needed to call somebody,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 1: Gareth is asked about why they didn't go to the
Speaker 1: big house to use the phone there. He says Simmons
Speaker 1: told him his dad was out.
Speaker 3: David wouldn't have a key, no, he reckons, he's a
Speaker 3: little Yes, yes, no, he doesn't have a key. I
Speaker 3: don't think he had a key. He might know where
Speaker 3: he stashed it or something, but I don't know why
Speaker 3: he didn't go up to the top of the house.
Speaker 1: So they go to the service station to make the
Speaker 1: triple zero call. Gareth is with Simmons when he makes
Speaker 1: that call. The coroner refers to a second call made
Speaker 1: by Simmons.
Speaker 7: Do you know who he called?
Speaker 3: Well, no, because I went because after he spoke to
Speaker 3: the got a hold of the coppers.
Speaker 9: I just went back into the car, did you Yes.
Speaker 7: Because we know from the service station owner that David
Speaker 7: asked if he could use the phone another time, and
Speaker 7: he said yes, And David then went out the front
Speaker 7: and called someone and I'm sure that the service station
Speaker 7: owner said that you were with him when he did that.
Speaker 7: You can't remember.
Speaker 9: No, I don't remember that the second person he called.
Speaker 7: There is mention in one of your interviews about David
Speaker 7: trying to call his dad. Do you remember anything about that.
Speaker 3: Well, he might have called him, Yes, he might have
Speaker 3: called Bert, Yes, because I know he didn't.
Speaker 9: I'm pretty sure he didn't speak to him.
Speaker 7: When I was on the phone with him, hear him
Speaker 7: talk to his dad.
Speaker 3: No, I was like, pretty looking too busy, Just zone
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: Gareth Is then questioned about evidence provided by Nea, who
Speaker 1: was six at the time and talked to a child
Speaker 1: interviewer about the event shortly after.
Speaker 7: Her memory is not too good of what occurred, but
Speaker 7: she did mention something about us stop at the rubbish bins.
Speaker 7: Do you know what that's about. No, he didn't stop
Speaker 7: at any rubbish bins anywhere.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 7: Nea also mentioned something about David using a gun to
Speaker 7: shoot at a bird while they were waiting in the
Speaker 7: car or a tree.
Speaker 9: Yes.
Speaker 7: Can you tell me what you remember about that and
Speaker 7: shot it? Can you tell me what time that was?
Speaker 9: No, I know it was the afternoon.
Speaker 7: With the kids in the car.
Speaker 9: At this point, yes, when he shot the bird, Yes, yes,
Speaker 9: all right.
Speaker 1: Because of Neya's age at the time, not much weight
Speaker 1: was given to this evidence. Gareth proceeds to provide more
Speaker 1: details about the discussion he had with Robert or Bert
Speaker 1: as he calls him at the front gate. After seeing
Speaker 1: Amy's dead body for the first time.
Speaker 9: He goes, what's going on? Did Simo do it?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 9: He said that, yes, straight up. He goes, did Simo
Speaker 9: do it? I was like, no, bro, no, no, no,
Speaker 9: and bloody, where did he go? I said, he's taking
Speaker 9: the kids to Nancy's, dropping them off to their nanas.
Speaker 7: So at that point, as far as you know, had
Speaker 7: Bert already gone inside the house?
Speaker 3: Yes, he goes, because I said, I think she shot
Speaker 3: Amy shot herself. And he goes, I've already seen that,
Speaker 3: And he goes, did he cover her up?
Speaker 9: I said no, I covered her face up.
Speaker 7: Do you remember Bert saying something about unloading the gun?
Speaker 3: He when I was actually talking the other day when
Speaker 3: I was here on Tuesday or Monday when I was yeah, Tuesday,
Speaker 3: when I was here, But he said there was two
Speaker 3: guns there, bloody, the twelve gage shot gun was already loaded.
Speaker 3: You were saying, oh, I heard you were talking about
Speaker 3: that was on Tuesday, and that was the first time
Speaker 3: I actually heard that, and that was that day. So no,
Speaker 3: I didn't know about the other gun.
Speaker 7: Okay, there was just a few different guns in the bedroom,
Speaker 7: that's all.
Speaker 9: Yes, because we're going out shooting.
Speaker 7: Did Bert leave while you were waiting at the front gate? Yes,
Speaker 7: but you don't know where Bert went or what he
Speaker 7: was doing.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 1: Gareth then talks about the ambulance and police turning up,
Speaker 1: followed by Nancy and Simmons. He says Nancy was accusing
Speaker 1: Simmons of killing Amy.
Speaker 2: It's worth noting that at this point the detectives haven't arrived,
Speaker 2: they didn't hear Nancy shouting at David Simmons, and they
Speaker 2: weren't interested in hearing about the circumstances of Amy's life
Speaker 2: while they were there. Nancy wasn't questioned until major crime
Speaker 2: became involved, after Amy's death was determined as suicide and
Speaker 2: forensics were called off. Also at the inquest, Gareth was
Speaker 2: asked to clarify some of the discrepancies, starting with the tawl.
Speaker 10: You say in the statement it was morone or red
Speaker 10: in color. Well, the photo seem to show it's blue blue,
Speaker 10: but I know that boys aren't always great with colors.
Speaker 7: Is it possible?
Speaker 10: I'm assuming it's the same towel that someone hasn't switched
Speaker 10: a red towel and put in a blue Would that
Speaker 10: be fair?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 9: What how I put on her? That's the tow I
Speaker 9: put on her.
Speaker 2: Hey Council, representing the family. Peter Ward asked about a jacket,
Speaker 2: as that's what.
Speaker 9: Robert recalls a jacket. Yes, I've heard that. Yes, it
Speaker 9: is definitely a towel.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Despite being questioned extensively, many of Gareth's answers were still
Speaker 2: quite vague.
Speaker 1: You must be Gareth Price. How are you? Gareth?
Speaker 2: Now back to Liam's interview with Gareth.
Speaker 1: We're wondering if you could answer a few questions for
Speaker 1: us please, Yes, depends, okay on what and what was
Speaker 1: the question.
Speaker 6: You want to ask?
Speaker 1: Well, we just want to find out the truth about
Speaker 1: what happened that day, Gareth.
Speaker 6: Oh, okay. Have you usually got the statements and the
Speaker 6: reports about it?
Speaker 1: Have you? I've read the stuff that you you said
Speaker 1: in the coroner's court.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I've read the rubbish.
Speaker 1: No, you're right mate, You're right.
Speaker 2: At this point, Gareth is picking up bits of paper
Speaker 2: on the ground.
Speaker 1: I've read the stuff that you you said to the police,
Speaker 1: but there are still, as you know, there are still
Speaker 1: huge question marks about the actual result, you know, because
Speaker 1: the coroner said it was an open finding.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I reckon those every few years. It's got to
Speaker 6: be brought back up in four years or something, and
Speaker 6: that's what I say.
Speaker 1: Well, it's still an open case as far as the
Speaker 1: police are concerned.
Speaker 6: That's what they said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know there's a million dollar reward for information.
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, do you intend to take advantage of that?
Speaker 1: What for for yourself?
Speaker 4: It's a suicide?
Speaker 1: Do you think it was a suicide?
Speaker 6: Exactly was?
Speaker 4: I was there.
Speaker 1: So in David, David Simmons, you're your friend. Did he
Speaker 1: have anything to do with it? Gareth, Uh.
Speaker 4: No, he didn't.
Speaker 6: I it was it was side. She shot herself. That's
Speaker 6: what happened there, really, no, she did there with fourteen
Speaker 6: shot gun. She blew her head off her shoulders.
Speaker 2: Gareth is re enacting what Amy looked like when he
Speaker 2: found her and indicates the shotgun was pointing up under
Speaker 2: her chin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't there, Gareth it wasn't like that.
Speaker 1: It was on the side of the head. You should
Speaker 1: know that if you've been living it for the past
Speaker 1: ten years. So you've got that one wrong. Is there
Speaker 1: anything else you've got wrong over the years?
Speaker 6: I'm a literate. I can't ready which he sounded a right, yeah, sweets.
Speaker 4: These players leave?
Speaker 1: You want us to leave? Now? Why? Why are you
Speaker 1: uncomfortable talking about it?
Speaker 6: You want to chat?
Speaker 4: Why? Cup coffee?
Speaker 1: Some biscuits the coffee?
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, yeah, I'm just way out of the house,
Speaker 6: a bit of a mess.
Speaker 1: Well will you talk to us more?
Speaker 6: Well, what do you want to know?
Speaker 4: I'll tell you I'm dating into wanting here.
Speaker 1: Well, Gareth, all I want to know is the truth.
Speaker 1: That's all I want to know. Because you know her
Speaker 1: family have been absolutely destroyed by this, and you would
Speaker 1: be too if it was your partner or your daughter
Speaker 1: or your wife.
Speaker 6: I understand that, sir, And it's.
Speaker 1: Just a it's a shocking, shocking way to go.
Speaker 6: You've used people, got a lot of people in high
Speaker 6: places that saw a lot of stuff out, and they've
Speaker 6: been doing their tests and there all their reshirts and
Speaker 6: I know they've done all of what they've done.
Speaker 1: So they haven't done it properly, and you know that's
Speaker 1: their fault. But you can help them. You can help us.
Speaker 1: I'm helping you, but you can help usk by telling
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 4: Is the truth, sir, It is the truth.
Speaker 1: Who was first in that bedroom? Was it David or you?
Speaker 4: You asked what was that? Bane?
Speaker 6: Is likely? So what's that noise there? You read the statements,
Speaker 6: but he's all read statements.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 6: When that, when that kind of stuff happens, you don't.
Speaker 6: No one does understand. As bad as shocking, as bad
Speaker 6: as it is, it's not good to see your best
Speaker 6: face missing your head, blowing off shoulders, and there's not
Speaker 6: a good.
Speaker 4: Thing to see.
Speaker 1: It is shocking.
Speaker 6: I actually walked in there, the gun off a lap
Speaker 6: and put a tower over where her face was made.
Speaker 1: So the gun was on a lap, it was off
Speaker 1: her lap.
Speaker 6: I did. I told her. I told her all the
Speaker 6: copper is this, all the sergeants and everybody.
Speaker 4: I told him all.
Speaker 1: But how would it be on a lap if the
Speaker 1: recoiled from the shotgun was that way?
Speaker 6: Excuse me, sir, Have you seen the picture? Have you
Speaker 6: seen the drawing? Actually drew up a picture. Actually you've
Speaker 6: seen in the house the house of Look, I'll show
Speaker 6: you that will take you there exactly where it was
Speaker 6: if he wants to. That's what I'm talking about. Was
Speaker 6: right there, like in the corner of the room. I
Speaker 6: pushed the door open and all I've seen in the
Speaker 6: body was on the floor.
Speaker 1: Mate, Why did you move the gun? Well?
Speaker 6: I didn't want to see my best mod's friend with
Speaker 6: her without her face blowing off.
Speaker 1: But David said he saw it first.
Speaker 4: He was he is, is ye alive?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Seems you're alive.
Speaker 6: I haven't a sp I know now I'm like, oh, ship,
Speaker 6: what do you what? We use it to that if
Speaker 6: you just walking something? Well what we used to like?
Speaker 6: What would you even in a situation? What would you people?
Speaker 6: What would you do?
Speaker 1: Sir? It would be very confirmed.
Speaker 6: What would you do in that situation? You please tell
Speaker 6: me what would you do if that happened to you?
Speaker 6: If your situation?
Speaker 1: What would you do?
Speaker 6: Please tell me?
Speaker 1: It's a great question because it would be a terrible,
Speaker 1: terrible situation.
Speaker 4: Please I elaborate.
Speaker 1: Would you like tell me to but Gareth? But Gareth?
Speaker 1: After that? After that? Why did you take the wheely
Speaker 1: bin down to the end of the road and what
Speaker 1: was in that ben?
Speaker 4: I don't know, sir, I didn't take it. Who've been
Speaker 4: down to the road?
Speaker 1: I think you were seeing taking the bin down? No,
Speaker 1: I did not Who who took the bend down there?
Speaker 6: I don't know, sir.
Speaker 1: So did you go?
Speaker 6: I actually waited at the bottom of the hill. I
Speaker 6: actually waited the bottom mills.
Speaker 1: Sir, you went, You went with him to the roadhouse.
Speaker 1: Didn't you to make the crow?
Speaker 6: Yes, we did. We both both the girls in the gata.
Speaker 1: And did you get to the shop before that or
Speaker 1: after that?
Speaker 6: Actually he took the girls back to north, then took
Speaker 6: the girls wait at the bottom of the hill. Then
Speaker 6: Bert come down and drive away. He goes, where is
Speaker 6: such and such? I said, his buddy taking the girls
Speaker 6: to Nancy. True, taking him to Nancy, And probably maybe
Speaker 6: half an hour later someone that they came rocking up
Speaker 6: as she was Sergeant Comfortable Larry. I don't I don't
Speaker 6: know whose offside it was. It was kind of Sargeant
Speaker 6: Larry's and somebody else is there. But first the same
Speaker 6: was their ambulance. There was two of them. I said,
Speaker 6: we need the body bags.
Speaker 4: She's dead.
Speaker 6: Like we might judge it that with no problems, go
Speaker 6: for it. So I started at the bottom of the hill. Ye,
Speaker 6: And how was that?
Speaker 1: So? So you just said to the policeman she's dead.
Speaker 6: And then and the first is the ambulance driver, sorry,
Speaker 6: the ambulance drivers, because that was no, she's dead, mate,
Speaker 6: we might judge that. I'm not where were her face
Speaker 6: was a gargling the bubbles of blood where her face was?
Speaker 4: I I don't know, honestly, that's what happened.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see your mate David be violent towards her?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 4: Actually nah, because.
Speaker 6: But everybody gets come on, No, what are you trying
Speaker 6: to get get out of when you're trying to says
Speaker 6: different things?
Speaker 1: But no, I just want you to tell the truth
Speaker 1: and not not protect just protect your mate.
Speaker 4: Take my mate. I am he's dead, sir, I am,
Speaker 4: he's dead.
Speaker 1: I exactly.
Speaker 6: And now I wouldn't protecting if you don't know, I wouldn't.
Speaker 6: That's say that's a different thing. Would ever say I
Speaker 6: didn't do it? I didn't do just whatever, mate, Sorry,
Speaker 6: I'll get a bit. It's a hard subject to talk about, it.
Speaker 1: Is, and I appreciate you answering some questions. It's good
Speaker 1: of you. So what do I go for?
Speaker 4: Forget help? Because this is pretty understort on me as well.
Speaker 4: This is hard point.
Speaker 6: It's hard to live with one of my wife because
Speaker 6: I don't know even how to go forwards after this,
Speaker 6: you know, So.
Speaker 4: What do I do about this?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 1: Do you need counseling?
Speaker 6: Do you think we went to gownsling everything? Oh well,
Speaker 6: we can't really help you be able to give allways,
Speaker 6: all the scripture, medication and whatnot, just to give you whatever.
Speaker 4: You'll be right.
Speaker 6: I don't know saying something best but the head blowing off?
Speaker 6: No one will say that, sir.
Speaker 1: Did David tell you why the doorknob to that bedroom
Speaker 1: was missing on the inside?
Speaker 6: I don't even know. I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Very strange, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Well, ship that's opening with ten years ago? Now, how
Speaker 4: long has it been?
Speaker 1: It's almost ten years?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's over ten years a long time now.
Speaker 1: You don't forget those sorts of things stuff?
Speaker 4: Well, no, you don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty fall on half he's had a good.
Speaker 1: Day or pretty hard to get around it, isn't it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, we're just as you can imagine we're
Speaker 1: just trying to help the investigation and try to find
Speaker 1: the truth. Yeah, I understand that, and so you're obviously
Speaker 1: large part of that because you know you're a key
Speaker 1: to the whole story.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So have you ever thought about taking up that one
Speaker 1: million dollar reward and telling telling police, going back to
Speaker 1: police and telling them exactly what happened?
Speaker 6: No, because the truth of the truth, Sir, the truth,
Speaker 6: the truth and always comes out.
Speaker 4: And I made a lot. He does and he's all
Speaker 4: know that.
Speaker 6: He's only the truth comes out.
Speaker 4: We would like it or not.
Speaker 1: It does, it will eventually, it does it, and I'm glad.
Speaker 6: I'm actually I'm going to be there when it does, honestly,
Speaker 6: because I'm pointing back at yourself.
Speaker 1: I told you so, Gareth. Why would a young mum
Speaker 1: like Amy? You knew Amy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually do not have what will still?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she probably considered you a friend.
Speaker 6: Actually, good mate. They actually they give me accommodation when
Speaker 6: when I can't even afford to pay my own power
Speaker 6: stuff like So she treated you well, Amy and Simo
Speaker 6: both they both David Sims and Amy, they both treated
Speaker 6: us both both populy ate, really good.
Speaker 4: Give was someone to stay.
Speaker 6: He always looked after us and were at fishing camp
Speaker 6: and hunt like, you know, just having fun, living life together.
Speaker 6: We hunting campen living, that's what you do together, mate.
Speaker 1: So the least you can do is honor her graciousness
Speaker 1: by telling your truth. So, how does a young mum
Speaker 1: with two little girls that she loved is allegedly allegedly
Speaker 1: come on?
Speaker 6: She shot herself? She shot herself thirty.
Speaker 1: How does a young mum like that leave two of
Speaker 1: them in a car running with their bags packed to
Speaker 1: go to her mother's house. She goes into the house
Speaker 1: to get some more things, Your mate, David Simmons, goes
Speaker 1: back into the house. Next thing, she's found dead from
Speaker 1: a shotgun blast? How does that happen?
Speaker 6: Twelve? Gage?
Speaker 4: I poured ten?
Speaker 1: How does that happen?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well you tell me, you're you know, you tell
Speaker 6: me because you were right there. Yeah, I told you,
Speaker 6: But you're not believing me, sir. I'm telling you everything
Speaker 6: I know, You're not still believing me. So I don't
Speaker 6: know what more he is on me to say, is.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon? If the forensics had it turned up
Speaker 1: that night, if the detectives had have done their job.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon? There'd be a different answer, sir?
Speaker 4: Can you answer the question yourself?
Speaker 1: Do you think there'd be a different answer if the
Speaker 1: forensics did their job.
Speaker 6: No, it wouldn't have been a different answer, sir, one
Speaker 6: hundred percent. No, it wouldn't have been as I know.
Speaker 4: That for a fact.
Speaker 1: What do you think David's own father told the ambulance
Speaker 1: operator he thought he son did it.
Speaker 6: Because he's a map.
Speaker 4: No, he didn't do it.
Speaker 6: He didn't do it. Sorry, yeah, did ask me to you? Oh?
Speaker 4: Mate?
Speaker 6: I wanted to. I wanted the punish of men thinking
Speaker 6: in the first place. Mate, Because now, because Simili is
Speaker 6: a good buddy man, he is a good man, he
Speaker 6: wouldn't have done in the first place. But I know
Speaker 6: that for one hundred he wouldn't have done it. I'm
Speaker 6: telling you sorry, he would have done it. He would
Speaker 6: not have done it.
Speaker 1: What do you mean he's a good man. He's assaulted
Speaker 1: the police officer. I spent nine months in jail for it.
Speaker 1: He's not a good man.
Speaker 6: No, he's on drugs.
Speaker 4: Made people drugs set people in. Drugs are dumb, mate,
Speaker 4: you know that.
Speaker 1: Well, he might have been on drugs that day.
Speaker 6: No, Well, no, he wasn't. I don't know. We had
Speaker 6: a few beers, mate, We had a few beers.
Speaker 1: Honestly, how many he's a few games?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. When you go over the mates,
Speaker 4: did you catch your beers?
Speaker 1: You were with him all day?
Speaker 4: I want to work.
Speaker 1: How many beers I went to work?
Speaker 6: I wouldn't, actually, I know I wouldn't, Big Pavement.
Speaker 4: I was working three jobs, mate.
Speaker 6: I was living in jail at album, I was working
Speaker 6: night shift the Cannon, Bubble Marcus Bony and Mute at
Speaker 6: night time. And I was on Big pavment during the days.
Speaker 6: So a boddy paying my rent, mate, right, that's what's
Speaker 6: going on. That's what's having a mate. And because my
Speaker 6: body egg sorry mate, ship, I was working tho jobs mate,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. And he was working. He
Speaker 6: was working with his dad and stuff like, and both
Speaker 6: all the kids were hanging out to get no one
Speaker 6: big family mate.
Speaker 4: They will be worried. But obviously she's But I don't know.
Speaker 1: She must have got angry about something, mate.
Speaker 4: She could have shot us all mate, but she didn't.
Speaker 4: She shot herself.
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, she done it. She didn't even like shooting,
Speaker 1: you know that?
Speaker 2: Liam is referring to the evidence provided by Brydon. We'll
Speaker 2: hear from him next episode.
Speaker 6: David bought it. The fourteen was hers and the twenty
Speaker 6: two pick one was her gun. She had two guns, mate,
Speaker 6: she had two guns.
Speaker 4: She loves shooting.
Speaker 6: She loves skinning stuff.
Speaker 4: Mate.
Speaker 6: She loved or she loved hunting, pigs love camp I
Speaker 6: love fish and mate.
Speaker 1: She did.
Speaker 6: She loved all that honestly, she loved all that stuff. Mate.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Gareth, two biomechanical experts, Yeah, both told the
Speaker 1: corner's court that the evidence was that someone else shot her.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I heard this too. I actually did hear this
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 1: But she's only a small woman.
Speaker 4: The evidence proves what it's proven, and that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Well, the evidence is that she had a right hand
Speaker 1: under a bottom.
Speaker 4: Were you there, sir? Did you say the body? Were
Speaker 4: you there, sir?
Speaker 1: What are you saying that's wrong?
Speaker 4: Were you there, sir?
Speaker 1: Are you saying that's right?
Speaker 6: Were you there?
Speaker 4: Did you say the body where it was?
Speaker 6: Did you see her, her reathless corpse in the in
Speaker 6: the corner?
Speaker 1: Did you say it?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: You didn't, did you There's a big day to day, But.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I then flat out, Yeah, trying to make it
Speaker 6: live in the staffe and just a lot's going on,
Speaker 6: and this is a lot happening.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you're busy. Glad you're busy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got to So who was first in that room? You were, David?
Speaker 6: Honestly true?
Speaker 4: I said, what was that fun?
Speaker 6: The next minute he went walking and he's opened the
Speaker 6: door and he came running out start of funding into
Speaker 6: this shed as you come around?
Speaker 4: Is he alive?
Speaker 8: Is she?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 4: She alive? And I walked in there and I had
Speaker 4: to gin the door open.
Speaker 6: Next minute I was saying, her sets like a corner right, yeah,
Speaker 6: corner of the last see sure that mate? And she
Speaker 6: was on the floor obviously here on the lab. Mate.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I said it was my I was a
Speaker 6: bud coming out of a blue mate. I don't know
Speaker 6: what more you're gonna say, but that's what that's what
Speaker 6: it was. I don't know's I'm getting old?
Speaker 1: Hed? Sorry, are you on drugs now, Gareth?
Speaker 4: Actually no, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 6: Uh had a couple of beers today. Yeah, she held
Speaker 6: me intoxicated. You are drunk now, yes, I am, Uh
Speaker 6: that is I am compisicated.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean having a crack at anything else of it. Ah, Nah,
Speaker 1: something a bit harder. Nah, you sure, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: seem pretty agitated.
Speaker 4: Uh hortative on my day date.
Speaker 6: So mutually diagnosedes that that's this is what I'm so
Speaker 6: always antsy and health is shitty and stuff. Even asked
Speaker 6: my doctors if you want to.
Speaker 1: Believe me, I'm taking you on your word. You haven't
Speaker 1: got the shakes and the dis from having too many pipes.
Speaker 8: Nah.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're comfortable. You're comfortable that you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to live with that as well.
Speaker 6: We'll actually, we all got to live with this, sir.
Speaker 6: We actually, we will have to live with this.
Speaker 4: It's got just to ask who actually to deal with it.
Speaker 6: That's all the friends of her other side of the family,
Speaker 6: the daughters, they're the one who made a suffer in
Speaker 6: the most because they lost the mom and anybody dad,
Speaker 6: because because that made Simo lost yourself. But he's not
Speaker 6: he's not such same, he's not the same. Mate, he's
Speaker 6: gone since Mate, our Thames and that mates, simples. I
Speaker 6: don't know if you know similar and be able to
Speaker 6: give back to the reality again. Mate, that's on the
Speaker 6: story similar. Hey, I don't know what I know. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna work and I've got to support from my family
Speaker 6: and that's what I've got to do. Mate, This is
Speaker 6: what I think. I am still going forwards. That's what
Speaker 6: you gotta do. Mate.
Speaker 1: Well, you know some people, some people might think that
Speaker 1: your mate is a very lucky man.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there this nine seven or ABC or ten
Speaker 6: seven seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, spotlight, spot Light and we're gonna have a podcast
Speaker 1: as well, Gareth. Oh here no around Australia. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Well it's good of you to at least front up
Speaker 1: and have a chat to us. So I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Do you have trouble sleeping at night?
Speaker 6: My life good, wife is good?
Speaker 1: Life is good.
Speaker 6: Well, if you're above the ground is good, isn't it
Speaker 6: if you're not not like if you're not you know
Speaker 6: or something, I don't know, you not like Amy? I know?
Speaker 6: Well there, yeah, but you can't help everyone to theirselves. Actually,
Speaker 6: we're all I love in the world for her. But no,
Speaker 6: I wouldn't even go to a funeral getting an invited
Speaker 6: to a ferneral But so I understand that.
Speaker 1: Well A Kurna said it could also be homicide. So
Speaker 1: that's what an open finding is. They can't work out
Speaker 1: whether it's suicidal homicide.
Speaker 6: Was the homicide?
Speaker 8: Was it?
Speaker 6: What's a homicide?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a murder, Gareth. Well, you know, if you if
Speaker 1: you are protecting your mate, it's a pretty low thing
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 5: You know that.
Speaker 6: When you special speak and you're asking the same question
Speaker 6: about me as well. Late, that's all.
Speaker 1: Right, ask you the same question you ask. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to ask.
Speaker 4: Eventually you will pop up.
Speaker 2: This is true because a few days after this interview
Speaker 2: with Gareth, David Simmons is due to front court again,
Speaker 2: charged once again with assaulting a public officer. You'll hear
Speaker 2: that interview in a future episode.
Speaker 6: He made him actually at a bit of a disagreement.
Speaker 6: She was living me for a little while. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: you know, just negative, negative energy doesn't go well. I
Speaker 6: don't like negative energy. It's not good for anybody. Leave nicely.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're not mates anymore.
Speaker 4: We're still amaze.
Speaker 6: I've got one hundred Yeah, he's my brother and whatever.
Speaker 6: But he didn't kill Amy. He did not shoot Amy.
Speaker 6: She shot herself one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: I know that for a fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty pretty incredible, though, isn't it. You want
Speaker 1: me to believe that it is free story. So you
Speaker 1: want me to believe that a mom puts her kids
Speaker 1: in the car to take them to her mum's place
Speaker 1: to escape the partner's behavior, which is pretty which is
Speaker 1: pretty average. Excuse me, I'm wait for it, wait for it.
Speaker 1: I'm painting your picture. And you know better than anyone,
Speaker 1: because you were there that day. And then she says
Speaker 1: to the kids, just hang on a second, because I
Speaker 1: just got to get my makeup and a few bits
Speaker 1: and pieces. And she goes back in the bedroom, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, she's dead.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, your mate goes back inside the house.
Speaker 1: It's a sort of strange coincidence, isn't it. Oh so
Speaker 1: instead of coming back to the car, which is running
Speaker 1: to take her own children, and.
Speaker 6: You all open the door for us, we look at hand.
Speaker 6: We lost for help, Amy, what was this last pisonde?
Speaker 6: Open the door for her? I opened the door for
Speaker 6: she's getting Yeah, she'll just come out with bags and
Speaker 6: clothes and chuck them in the boot of the car.
Speaker 1: She was, Yeah, it took them loads of clothes because
Speaker 1: she wanted to go go it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, no one stop is doll cars the Semos
Speaker 6: plays don't drive stupid because it's a steep it's a
Speaker 6: steep driveway and.
Speaker 1: You might look and crashing or something did stop her,
Speaker 1: didn't She don't stop herself. So yeah, so she just
Speaker 1: happened to go back inside. Yeah no, and commits suicide.
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, it was a fourteenth bunch of darting at
Speaker 6: her self. At his honest truth, what was the fourteenth
Speaker 6: shot gun?
Speaker 1: It's about as believable as me going around the back
Speaker 1: of your place now and finding fairies at the bottom
Speaker 1: of your pick.
Speaker 4: Oh you perform a fairy Tell me about it?
Speaker 1: Huh. I just want you to tell the truth. You know,
Speaker 1: it's about time you told the truth.
Speaker 4: I told the truth.
Speaker 6: Set.
Speaker 2: When you watch Gareth during this interview, he appears to
Speaker 2: believe what he's saying. He believes his mate, but that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean he's right. Gareth also says Simo and Amy
Speaker 2: had a great relationship despite witnessing their very violent fight.
Speaker 2: Like everyone else connected to Amy's death, he's visibly haunted
Speaker 2: by what happened that night.
Speaker 1: It's pretty clear that this has affected you as well.
Speaker 4: Hey it is, Yeah, it has really I.
Speaker 1: Mean you you are, you know, genuinely upset about it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I am.
Speaker 4: I am actually genuinely upset. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a problem with these things, isn't it. When these
Speaker 1: stories sort of go off the rails, they affect everybody involved.
Speaker 1: And I guess the only resolution is if we can
Speaker 1: somehow get to the truth.
Speaker 6: Is spot on, And I think we're doing all the
Speaker 6: best part with what we can do and just trying
Speaker 6: to get down the bottom. And that's what I want
Speaker 6: to and that's what I hope before they get to
Speaker 6: and I will actually like at the end one day.
Speaker 4: But apparently I.
Speaker 6: Heard like every four years and this can be an
Speaker 6: interquesting or something like that.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's right. But the police investigation
Speaker 1: is open, so I hopefully they can whenever they can
Speaker 1: do extra things.
Speaker 6: Because I heard because they have so mans and and
Speaker 6: they don't have so many charge like so many terms
Speaker 6: for them trying to prove it or something like, because
Speaker 6: it actually does get quiet much, you know, so how
Speaker 6: many more times do you reckon mis be the rest
Speaker 6: of my life? We can go on an investigation, Miller
Speaker 6: until it gets sort of like, is that what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Well, unless they find new information to it happens new evidence,
Speaker 1: and yeah it sounds good. Yeah, I mean I mean
Speaker 1: who knows. I mean you might be able to help
Speaker 1: or or you or you might be part of the problem.
Speaker 1: I mean you might get arrested again.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you see when it happens.
Speaker 1: So how many times you've been arrested twice?
Speaker 4: You probably get my record on the paper there. I
Speaker 4: haven't got out.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you to be honest.
Speaker 6: Honestly, I don't really know. I've been arrested.
Speaker 1: For being complicit for aiding in a bedding. Bedding Well
Speaker 1: what they thought suspected at the time. Oh well no,
Speaker 1: what was murdered?
Speaker 6: No, only being locked up? Well I've had a motivated
Speaker 6: a bush one time.
Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about Amy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah that was the forty eight hours. Yeah, they've
Speaker 4: got to do their job. Is you going to do
Speaker 4: a job. I understand that I ain't gonna.
Speaker 6: Sweet as do your job. It's all good, no problem here. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I've got nothing, so buddy, yeah, broblems take care.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having a chat.
Speaker 2: FI.
Speaker 1: As you've heard in this podcast, Larry Blandford reckons Gareth
Speaker 1: was schooled in his answers.
Speaker 8: But now when you look at it, it's actually really sad.
Speaker 1: Allison shows him the interview I did with Gareth and
Speaker 1: this is what he had to say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Gareth, I believe is a sucked in victim's
Speaker 5: You know, he's taken a stand which.
Speaker 8: Has been in the jar before and he seems to
Speaker 8: be in that world right, So.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well he shouldn't be that because he's.
Speaker 4: Not that bad a bloke.
Speaker 1: Larry says, Gareth has wasted his life.
Speaker 8: Do you see that much with people? Or is Gareth
Speaker 8: kind of the saddest case?
Speaker 5: I think for what for what I've seen on your laptop,
Speaker 5: he would be Yeah, for sure. Now I haven't seen
Speaker 5: him for a few years, but it's not pleasant for
Speaker 5: what he's gone through and he's taken a hard stand
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 8: Is it a case that you think this is really
Speaker 8: affected him as well?
Speaker 5: Oh, the whole incident has definitely affected him. It's probably
Speaker 5: affected his whole family.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, when someone's down, well everybody around him is not.
Speaker 1: He's not jumping for joy, are they?
Speaker 4: No, he didn't fuck it, He didn't do it.
Speaker 1: After ten years, Gareth appears convinced he's right about his mate.
Speaker 4: Almost no, because Simi is a good buddy man.
Speaker 6: He is a good man. He wouldn't have done in
Speaker 6: the first place. But I know that for one hundred
Speaker 6: percent he wouldn't have done it. I'm telling you, sorry, no,
Speaker 6: he would have done it. He wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1: Big enough to do that. Family need to let it
Speaker 1: go next week, Joshua Brighton.
Speaker 6: I don't need to keep going through this ship Keith
Speaker 6: Betting through that day mm hmm Lisser c so detion.
Speaker 8: We both know for now.
Speaker 6: You mek.
Speaker 2: T.
Speaker 1: If you knew Amy and have information, any information about
Speaker 1: her death, we'd love to hear from you. Just email
Speaker 1: us at the Truth about Amy at seven dot com
Speaker 1: dot au. That's s e v E N The Truth
Speaker 1: about Amy at seven dot com dot Au, or visit
Speaker 1: our website sevenews dot com dot au forward slash the
Speaker 1: Truth about Amy. You can also send us an anonymous
Speaker 1: tip at www dot the Truth about Amy dot com.
Speaker 1: If you're on Facebook or Instagram, you can follow us
Speaker 1: to see photos and updates relevant to the case, but
Speaker 1: for legal reasons, unfortunately, you won't be able to make
Speaker 1: any comments. And remember, if you like what you're hearing,
Speaker 1: don't forget to subscribe. Please rate and review our series
Speaker 1: because it really helps new listeners to find us. Presenter
Speaker 1: and executive producer Alison Sandy, Presenter and investigative journalist Liam Bartlett,
Speaker 1: Sound design Mark Wright, Assistant producer Cassie Woodward, Graphics Jason Blanford,
Speaker 1: and special thanks to Tim Clark and Brian Seymour. This
Speaker 1: is a Seven News production.