1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, Molly May 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: says she was bedbound following split from boxer Tommy Fury 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: and Megan Gaylee's surprising return, but first eight weeks out 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: from her due date. Fitness influencer Sarah's Day is dropping 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: clues on her third son's name. In an Instagram story, 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: she shared a mere selfie of her pregnant belly and 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: wrote clue, followed by an emoji of a hand saluting 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: a mountain and the praying hands. This was posted in 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: our Facebook community and we have some very clever listeners. 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: So many people are guessing the name could either be 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: Everest or Rocky, and that's due to the mountain emoji. 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: And I remember Sarah saying in a vlog that Fox 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: wanted to call the baby Rocky, but that she wasn't 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: quite sure. And isn't that the name of Courtney Kardashian's baby. 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: So I feel like Rocky is somewhat in vogue at 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: the moment. 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: The other big. 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: Contender is Elijah so as one of our listeners pointed 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: out in the Bible, it says the Lord told Elijah 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: to go to the top of the mountain so that he. 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: Could speak to Elijah. 24 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: So this makes sense because not only does it relate 25 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: to the mountain, but also the praying hands and perhaps 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: saluting God. What makes me think that this really could 27 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: be on. 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: The money is that. 29 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: Funnily enough, she is launching a collaboration with a perfume 30 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: line called who Is Elijah. 31 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: Now, I'm not. 32 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: Saying that she's doing it to sell this perfume, but 33 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: she does have a habit of becoming attached to the 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: brand names that she works with during the time of 35 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: her pregnancy, because she was working closely with White Fox 36 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: Boutique when her first son, Fox was born. She also 37 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: recently admitted in a YouTube that if Fox was a girl, 38 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: he was going to be called Bloom, and at the time, 39 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: she had just launched a product called body Bloom. 40 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to wigh and see. 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: I think Sarah is going to release a few more 42 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: clues in the next eight weeks. How do you feel 43 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: about people dropping clues baby names. Do you think it's 44 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: a bit of fun or do you feel like it's 45 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: someone cashing in on the birth of their child. Look 46 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: in this instance, I just think it's a bit of fun. 47 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: Everybody is waiting with anticipation to see what Sarah calls 48 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: her third child, and she's just giving her followers what 49 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: they want, a few clues. I'm surprised she only shared 50 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: this as an Instagram story and not a feed post, 51 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: because I thought that she would have liked people to 52 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: guess in the comment section. But at the same time, 53 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: maybe she was worried that too many people would guess 54 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: the name and it would fill up the comment section 55 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: and it would no longer be a surprise. You know, 56 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: when you know the answer to a question and it 57 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: seems so obvious the clue to think about, Like, I 58 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: wonder if it feels like that for them. 59 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: I just I'm really looking forward to just like I say, 60 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 3: pressing on. 61 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: Molly may Haigu has returned to YouTube just two weeks 62 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: after announcing her shock split from boxer Tommy Fury. The 63 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: UK influencer has been under pressure to make an online comeback, 64 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: with her secret project set to be unveiled in. 65 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: A few days. 66 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: Sophy off the bat this video was giving vibes of 67 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: a tell all Yeah, it really did have all the 68 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 1: right ingredients to be one of those iconics, sit down, 69 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: tell all videos. So it was entitled high with a 70 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: little black love heart emoji and in the thumb. Now, 71 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: Molly looked very serious and I have never clicked on 72 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: a video so far, so we had so many. 73 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: People setting this through to us. 74 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: Well. She also looked very glammed up in comparison to 75 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: how she normally comes across on YouTube. She's often stripped back, 76 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: she'll have a hair bag, but this time her hair 77 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: was down, her makeup was on points. Yeah, well, she 78 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: would have been aware of just how many people would 79 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: be tuning in and how many news publications would be 80 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: scrutinizing how she looked, because I really think how you 81 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: present yourself says so much without you having to say anything. 82 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: And I know people are throwing around this sort of 83 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: jokey line that she's the people's princess, but it really 84 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: felt like she had this cool, rich girl vibes and 85 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: she was a princess who was addressing the nation on 86 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: a very important matter. And she kicked things off by 87 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: saying she hadn't made a plan of what she wanted 88 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: to say realistically, though, Prior to filming, Molly and her 89 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: manager Fran would have devised exactly how to tackle this scandal. 90 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: There is a secret project in the works, and there's 91 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: so much media scrutiny at the moment that this video 92 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: really had to hit the right notes for her. And 93 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: I think a lot of strategy would have been put 94 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: into what Molly said and more importantly, what she didn't say. 95 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 2: Well, I agree, but. 96 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: I think what Molly was saying is she hasn't written 97 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: out some statement. She's not reading off an auto que. 98 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: It came across as very real what she was saying. 99 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: Of course, they probably came up with a few dot points. Yeah, 100 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: And I think that this is why she's such a 101 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: successful blogger, is because she connects with her audience so well, 102 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: and she makes you feel like you're a friend. And 103 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: if she was sitting there delivering some scripted piece, I 104 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: don't think it would feel so authentic. Now, it did 105 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: become clear straight off the bat that we weren't going 106 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: to be getting all of the dirty details. So she 107 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: acknowledged that she knows a lot of people will have 108 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: clicked on the video expecting for her to spill the 109 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: tea and get an explanation of what happened, but that 110 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: was never something that she was going to do. 111 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: Here's part of what she said. 112 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 3: I don't really ever plan on talking about the last 113 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: couple of weeks. I just it's not something that I 114 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: feel comfortable with. And I know a lot of you 115 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: will be like, we want to know what's going on. 116 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: But it's just like I say, this is real life. 117 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 3: It is not drama. It is not tea. It is 118 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 3: not a publicity stunt like this is as much as 119 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: I wish it was, this is real life. And it's 120 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: very sad and it's very deep, and I just don't 121 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 3: feel not even ready. It's not that I don't feel ready, 122 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: it's that I just don't. It doesn't feel right for 123 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: me to come in here and talk about it, so 124 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: also out of respect to Tommy as well, because it's 125 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: just not nice. And I feel like everything over the 126 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: last couple of weeks has really it's been a lot, 127 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 3: Like it's been a lot and been blown way out 128 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 3: of proportion and gotten it's really carried and what's the word, 129 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: It's all got a bit carried away with itself, and 130 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, the last thing I want to do 131 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: is fueling that fire anymore and stirring the pot when 132 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: it just doesn't need to be stunned. 133 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: It's interesting that she touched on the breakup not being 134 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: a publicity stunt because there has been a lot of 135 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: speculation online that Molly is trying to drum up publicity 136 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: because she is launching her biggest product to date. But 137 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: what stood out to me is that she said she 138 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: wishes it was a publicity stunt because it shows that 139 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: she did not want this breakup to happen, and something 140 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: has forced her and Tommy to break up. 141 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: And that's the thing. 142 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: While she didn't go into the explicit details of what 143 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: went down, she also didn't once deny the cheating rumors 144 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: or put them to bed, because she did acknowledge that 145 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: things had been blown out of proportion and people had 146 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: got carried away, but she didn't once say cheating wasn't 147 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: a factor. Please leave Tommy alone. This is unfair on him, 148 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: and that was her opportunity to say something if it 149 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: wasn't true. Now, the next section of the video continued 150 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: the royal sort of vibes I've been feeling of her, 151 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: because she spoke about pressing on and moving on and 152 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: whenever a drama happens in the royal family, it's always 153 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: about putting on a brave face and looking forward. Let's 154 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: listen to part of what she said. 155 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: I just I'm really looking forward to just like I say, 156 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: pressing on, moving on and the birds. Just yes, sort 157 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: of definitely not brushing it under the carpet, because that's 158 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: definitely not what I've done. Like I've really been dealing 159 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: with it and my support system, like my personal support 160 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: system has been incredible, and I've gotten everything out obviously, 161 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: like dealing with everything is still an ongoing process. But 162 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: I not swiping it under the carpet. It's just that publicly, 163 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: it's not something that I want to go into or 164 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: discuss for myself. And also out of respect to Tommy 165 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: because he's Bambi's dad and I will always I will 166 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: always value him and respect him and obviously always have 167 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: a lot of love for him. And yeah, like we 168 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: were together for five years and it's very very sad. 169 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm really not surprised that Molly is keeping the details 170 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,119 Speaker 1: of this breakup private because she's obviously got her young daughter, 171 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: Bambie who is involved, and that adds a different element 172 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: to it. And also with the level of fame Molly 173 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: now holds, she also seems above getting into all the 174 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: dirty detail. Yeah, because she really has this different level 175 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: of celebrity than other influences. She doesn't need to throw 176 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: out these little crumbs or details or divulge everything to 177 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: us to keep us hooked. The breakup was announced on 178 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: BBC News, so there's no way that she actually needs, 179 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 1: as you said, to be dropping little bits here and 180 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: there to get people's attention. People are interested in this 181 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: story already. While she was really careful to not reveal 182 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: the cause of the breakup, I don't know about you, Amy, 183 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: but don't you think it was written all over her face? 184 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: You could just tell from her body language that she 185 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: felt disgusted by his behavior, because she kept having this 186 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: little twitch of her nose and her eyebrow would raise 187 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: in a certain way. It was almost as if you know, 188 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: when you smell something gross. It was sort of that 189 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: look on her face, this look of repulsion. 190 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: While she was talking about you. 191 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: Can tell that she was visibly upset and almost shaken. 192 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: By the whole ordeal. 193 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, And she finished up that section of the video 194 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: by reiterating that the support of her fans has been 195 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: helping her get through this difficult time now. Following the 196 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: sit down address, the video then turned into a regular 197 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: vlog where Molly showed how she'd spent the last week. 198 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: And this was the part that I found the most 199 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: fascinating because so many of us have been wanting to 200 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: be a fly on the wall to know how she's 201 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: getting through this breakup. Well. She prefaced the start of 202 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: the vlog by saying, look, it's not going to be 203 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: anything great. Like people who know me, you'll know this 204 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: is going to be a very mundane vlog, And I thought, fuck, 205 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: what is she actually going to show, because so much 206 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: of the last two weeks would have been her sitting 207 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: around with her friends, probably bitching about Tommy crying. 208 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: But she actually showed quite a bit. I loved her. 209 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: The clips spoke volumes, so in the first section of 210 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: the vlog, Molly explained that she was having a child 211 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: free day and didn't know what to do with herself 212 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: because she and Bambi have been joined by the hit 213 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: for the past couple of weeks. 214 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: I feel like that was a bit of a. 215 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: Subtle dig that she's been doing all of the parenting 216 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: for quite some time. She then said that Bambie has 217 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: been experiencing attachment issues and can sense what's going on. 218 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 219 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: I think she can definitely sense that, Like obviously there's 220 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: changes and things are strange at the minute. I can 221 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: really feel that she can sense that, which is very 222 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: interesting considering she's just a baby. To me, she's just 223 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 3: a baby. She's not even two yet, and I feel 224 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 3: like they're just not stupid, like they can ready pick 225 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: up on things. 226 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: That was a really sad insight, and I think it 227 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: made it real for a lot of people because there's 228 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: been so much gossip and speculation on TikTok, but this 229 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: just confirms these are real people's eyes that this is affecting. Yeah, 230 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: there's a poor little girl whose whole life has been 231 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: thrown upside down. Molly also said that she's been experiencing 232 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: cabin fever and that she's been bedbound as well as 233 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: house bound. She said her sister Zoe had been coming 234 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: around to help with Bambi and that Tommy. 235 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: Had had her as well. 236 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: It was really interesting to see how she's been spending 237 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: her time, so she's been doing a lot of self care. 238 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: She went and got her eyebrows and lashes done, and 239 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: also visited a spa and she said that the stress 240 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: of the last few weeks has made her skin do 241 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: crazy things, so she's been having huge breakouts and rashes, 242 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: so you can see how much stress she is under. 243 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: I like that she knew so many people would be watching, 244 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: yet she kept it real about her spa day because 245 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: she said she almost shot herself during the massage because 246 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: she'd had a huge coffee and it toasted before her 247 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: and love. She went to the drive for the toast 248 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: and she's like, a Heines been toasted, thank you, And 249 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: they're just like, oh God, I've given myself the ck 250 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: naming the brand of you know, Hines. I just kept 251 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: thinking the whole time all of these people like the 252 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: messus and also like because she stopped off at this 253 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: little pop up cookie van on the way home, all 254 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: of the people were talking to her as if they 255 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: had no idea who she even is, Like this girl's 256 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: breakup has been placid on the BBC, the freaking news, 257 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: and she's just stopped by to go and get this 258 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: sweet tree. 259 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: Well, she also went into. 260 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: Boots and I was like, where's the paparazzi? Like Yeah, 261 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: they've been camped out in. 262 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: The front of her house. 263 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: She's literally wandering along these streets, going to cookie vans, 264 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: going to spars. At one point I could see her 265 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: sort of look around as she was vlogging. 266 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: I think she was like, fuck, I hope no. 267 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: One really sees me. 268 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: But then she did point out her own fake tan. 269 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 2: I don't know what was going on. 270 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: Well. That week, she also had a woman come in 271 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: to organize her cupboard for her. So she said that 272 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: with all of the chaos going on in her life, 273 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: she needed her place to be sorted out. AKA, she 274 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: wants to get all of Tommy's shit out of there 275 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: and clean all. 276 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 2: Of the cupboards. 277 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: So is that the woman who was dumping all of 278 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Tommy's stuff outside in the skin? Oh? Most probably just 279 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: get everything, get get it all out now. She did 280 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: seem to put on a brave face for most of 281 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: the blog until it got to the final scene and 282 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: you saw a true indication of how she was traveling. 283 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: She told her followers that she was dreading the weekend 284 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: because she's so lonely. 285 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 286 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: I'm kind of dreading this weekend because I feel like 287 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: weekends are crap, like when you're going for a breakup. 288 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: I feel like weekends are literally the worst because weekends 289 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: are always something for me that like I really look 290 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: forward to, especially when you're in your family because it's 291 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: family time and I don't know, it's like memory making 292 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 3: time and like you always do nice things and I 293 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 3: don't know, And I feel like weekends now I like 294 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: the hardest time because it's fricking lonely and just sad. 295 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: Really, I felt so sorry for Molly when I saw this. 296 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: It reminded me of a really bad breakup I went 297 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: through where I was so miserable and I couldn't find 298 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: joy in anything, and you just felt like there was 299 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: like a constant knife in your heart, Like that is 300 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: how she'd be feeling, but magnified. Well, it's clear that 301 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: Molly's return to YouTube was far sooner than she would 302 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: have liked it to have been, and she did say 303 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: this was because of her secret project which is in 304 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: the works. So in August last year, Molly announced that 305 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: she'd started work on this secret project, and this was 306 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: where she was reportedly being paid a massive four hundred 307 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: thousand pounds. 308 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: A money's insane. 309 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: The money that was being thrown at her from PLT Now, 310 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: Molly said that this project has actually been two and 311 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: a half years in the making, and that she started 312 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: working on it when she was pregnant with her daughter Bambi. Now. 313 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: Ahead of the breakup, Molly had been teasing this secret 314 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: project and saying it would go live in September. Now. 315 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: She addressed this in the vlog, saying that she had 316 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: contemplated pushing back the launch because she didn't feel like 317 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: she was me He's strong enough, But then upon reflection 318 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: thought well, why should she push it back. She's poured 319 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: her heart and soul into it and it's a good distraction. 320 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: The skeptic in me, though, thinks that they are striking 321 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: while the iron is hot. They want to get this 322 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: brand out there while she is still one of the 323 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: most talked about influencers and celebrities in the UK. The 324 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: video that she shared just over the weekend has already 325 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: got two point nine million views, so I think a 326 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: lot of people will be invested in whatever project this 327 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: is well and they will also be wanting to support her. 328 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: Now they have pushed this launch out by a week, 329 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: so we were supposed to be finding out about it 330 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: on September first, but they've pushed it to the eighth 331 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: to give her a week to recoup and get back 332 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: online now. She explained that the project is why she's 333 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: made a return to social media so soon. 334 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 335 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 3: If it wasn't for my project, probably, like I probably 336 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 3: wouldn't have come back as soon as I have done, 337 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: just because there was not really like any need for 338 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 3: me too. But because this has been planned and in 339 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: the pipeline like years, I just I'm ready for it 340 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: to launch. I'm ready for it to be here, and 341 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: I'm ready for Yeah, I'm just ready for it to 342 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: no longer be a secret and to just actually share 343 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: with you what I've been doing the last years. 344 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: So what do you think this secret project is? Because 345 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: I have no idea. 346 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: Well, one super. 347 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: Sleuth who I think should be working for the FBI 348 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: thinks that she's cracked the code on what this secret 349 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: project is. So she is a massive Molly May fan. 350 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: She's a TikToker called Luella, and she has come across 351 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: a Pinterest board which she thinks belongs to Molly May 352 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: and is full of clues. 353 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 354 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 4: It has clothing and spo so of course I went 355 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 4: over to Instagram and there was a new account that 356 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 4: is called Maybe. I only had seventeen followers and it 357 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 4: was only following one person, and of course the only 358 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 4: person it is following is Molly May. So I then 359 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 4: went on. 360 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: To since this TikTok came out Maybe on Instagram now 361 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: has fifty seven point five thousand followers. I am one 362 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: of those followers. I want to know what the news 363 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: is as soon as it comes out. Imagine if it 364 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: wasn't actually her account, this person's just like, oh wow, okay, 365 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: it's just this TikTok has come up with her. It 366 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: could be quite a good strategy. Now, following the discovery 367 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: of the Pinterest board and also the Instagram account the TikToker, 368 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: Luella then went on to Trademark UK and located a 369 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: store called Maybe. Now she did some digging and the 370 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: Maybe store registration number is also the same number as 371 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: one of Molly May's newly listed companies. So she strongly 372 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: believes that this is going to be a clothing brand. 373 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: And the fact that Molly May has proven through PLT 374 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: that she can sell clothes, I think that this would 375 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: be an incredibly lucrative business for her. Well, it makes 376 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: a lot of sense why Molly would abruptly leave PLT 377 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, because when she was first announced in 378 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: the role, she made headlines around the world for the 379 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: size of the page packet and at the time she 380 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: said that it was her dream job, and there are 381 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: a lot of questions around what is she actually doing 382 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: in this role to be paid that sum of money. Now, 383 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: she was asked by a journal and she said, people 384 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: get it twisted and think I'm in charge of the 385 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: whole brand and I've come in and I'm going to 386 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: flip it upside down. 387 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: But that's not the case. 388 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: I give my creative input when I can, and I 389 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: give my ideas. 390 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: It's like she's an ambassador, well pretty much. 391 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: I think they just wanted to put her face on everything. 392 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: She's the star power behind it. 393 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: It really didn't sound like a strenuous job, though, did 394 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: it amy like? It didn't sound like she was working 395 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: around the clock in the office. She would occasionally reply 396 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: to the odd message in a WhatsApp group come out 397 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: of shoots, and I think that's why so many people 398 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: were surprised when Molly revealed that she was quitting this job. 399 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: This sort of seen as non strenuous job to concentrate 400 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: on motherhood because it seemed like the ideal job to have. Well, 401 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: I wonder if she was forced to quit or she 402 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: decided that she needed to get out of PLT before 403 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: they discovered that she was coming up with her own 404 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: clothing brand. I wonder if she was forced to quit 405 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: or she decided that she needed to get out before 406 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: PLT discovered she had plans to make her own clothing brand, 407 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: because depending on the price point, this is going to 408 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: be a direct competitor of PLT. Well, there was a 409 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: lot of speculation when Molly wasn't invited to PLT owner 410 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: Umar Carmani's wedding last year, and this could be why. 411 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: Now we've got. 412 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: To touch on Tommy because he appears to have been 413 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: inspired by Molly May's initial return to Instagram. So a 414 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: day and a half after Molly thanked fans for their support, 415 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: Tommy released his own Instagram post and it almost felt 416 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: like he was trying to recreate the vibe of Molly's. 417 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: Post but failing. Miserable. 418 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it totally missed the mark. So in Molly's post, 419 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: she appeared to be deep in thought as she looked 420 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: out at this beautiful lake, it looked like she'd taken 421 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: some time away a cozy cabin, which, funnily enough, we 422 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: didn't see in the vlog. I was waiting to see 423 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: some time at the cabin, but maybe that was in the. 424 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: Very early days. 425 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: It was very wholesome and it received a very strong 426 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: reaction from her fans. At the time of recording, it 427 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: has two million likes and over twenty thousand comments from 428 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: fans sending love and well wishes her way. Now, instead 429 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: of looking out ominously at a lake, Tommy looked deep 430 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: in concentration while doing up his shoelacers. Now this photo 431 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: appears to be taken after one of Tommy's training sessions, 432 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: as there were some boxing gloves in front of him, 433 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: and the caption read these last few weeks have been heartbreaking. 434 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: The false allegations about me have been horrendous. Thank you 435 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: to everybody who was stood by me through this and 436 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: added a little white love heart emoji. I think Tommy 437 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: needs a new PR person because Molly's PR manager, Fran 438 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: is just absolutely kicking this PR manager's ass. 439 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: I mean, why would you come out. 440 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: With a near identical pose did he think that he 441 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: was going to get the same reception as Molly. Yeah, 442 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: because it was so awkward because he thanked his followers 443 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: for standing by him, just like Molly did in her post. 444 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: But unlike Molly, he hasn't received this huge outpouring of support. 445 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: If anything, people have been openly hating on the guy 446 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: and been spreading rumors about his alleged cheating. I'm also 447 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: been so many jokes about him being dumb, Like there's 448 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: been so many tiktoks where people are like, I don't 449 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: believe that Tommy was recording an audio book he doesn't 450 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: know how to read, and it kind of plays into 451 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: this stereotype because he looked confused about tying his shoela 452 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: and I don't know why he was saying thank you 453 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: for the support, because even at the moment, there's a 454 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: new trend on TikTok where women are referring to him 455 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: as trash. So they will start the TikTok by saying, 456 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe I've spotted him in 457 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: the flesh, and they flipped the screen to reveal a 458 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: large skip bin, like it's pretty funny. 459 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: I mean, it is mean. 460 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: It's also interesting that he used his return on Instagram 461 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: to refute these cheating allegations. I think he had word 462 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: that Molly was going to be putting out her video, 463 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: and he knew that she wasn't going to touch on anything. 464 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: She wasn't going to throw him to the wolves. Thought, well, 465 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to say that I haven't cheated because I'm 466 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: not going to get caught out in this instance. If anything, 467 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: I mean Molly's YouTube video, it only makes her look 468 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: superior in. 469 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: Every way to Tommy. 470 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: Like, yes, I suppose in ways it hasn't made him 471 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: look that bad because she hasn't gone into the dirty details, 472 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: but it's evident that he's done the wrong thing, and 473 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: so much public sympathy continues to. 474 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: Flow for Molly. 475 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I was so interested to see the reaction 476 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: in Tommy's comments section. Yeah so the top comment said, 477 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: then tell us what you did, bra, which at the 478 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: time of recording has had over eleven thousand life. I'm 479 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: surprised the comments were even left on. It was very 480 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: ballsy to keep the comments on, But then again, if 481 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: you shut them off, it looks like you've got something 482 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: to hide. I just think it was a really lazy 483 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 1: pr move. And that whoever is managing Tommy's socials and 484 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: his pr response has gone, well, it worked for Molly. 485 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 2: Let's just put up Tommy's pictures. 486 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: Well, I think they were definitely trying to evoke sympathy 487 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: for him and show that he's back in the gym, 488 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: he's not focusing on the drama not working. But no, 489 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: it did not work for him. 490 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 5: Look, I'm a very nostalgic kind of person, so and 491 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 5: you know, and I know a lot of people are too. 492 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 5: And I think it's great for me because it brings 493 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 5: back a lot of I think some of my best memories. 494 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: After a decade long hiatus, Australian model Megan Gail is 495 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: making her iconic return as the face of David Jones. 496 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: The forty nine year old has been on the press 497 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: rounds spooking the announcement, which many are hailing as an 498 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: ingenious move by the fashion retailer. 499 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 5: It's been a ten year hiatus and in that time 500 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 5: I've had two beautiful children. But my little munchkins are 501 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 5: getting a little bit more independent. They're both at school now, 502 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 5: so I've got one drop off, which I love, so 503 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 5: I've got more time on my head. 504 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: This made me feel really nostalgic. Is so exciting to 505 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: see her back with David Jones. So for those who 506 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: don't remember, she stepped down in twenty thirteen when she 507 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: was pregnant with her first child, and there was a 508 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: bit of controversy over the decision because it followed the 509 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: announcement that Jacinta Campbell would be joining the David Jones family. 510 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: It almost felt like they were replacing Megan Gale with 511 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: a newer model. Well yeah, and also not long after 512 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: the announcement, Meghan publicized that she would be designing home 513 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: wares for Target, which is one of David Jones' competitors, 514 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: so it seemed like maybe there was a bit of 515 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: nastiness involved in it. But overall, I think this is 516 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: such a clever pr move because it's really signaling to 517 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: the world that David Jones is going back to its 518 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: glory days. So its marketing team is promoting this as 519 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: a new era, which is quite relevant for the company 520 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: because it's just announced it's under new ownership. It's quite 521 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: funny though, because whilst I saying it's a new era, 522 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: they're actually going back to an old era, which obviously 523 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: did really well for them. But we're seeing this a 524 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 1: lot with movies and TV shows. We're seeing all of 525 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 1: these revamp programs that people felt nostalgic about. I think 526 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: it's a very clever idea, it is. And so in 527 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: March this year, it was announced that Anchorage Capital Partners 528 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: had bought David Jones about one hundred million dollars, which 529 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: might sound like a lot of money, but for context, 530 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: Wars Holding bought David Jones in twenty fourteen for two 531 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: point one billion dollars, so it was sold at just 532 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: a fraction of the price. So if you compare the 533 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: success and standing of David Jones from when Megan Gael 534 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: was the face of the brand to now, it really is. 535 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: Talking cheesez yeah. 536 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: And that is due to the fact that it has 537 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: been a very turbulent time for retailers over the past 538 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: five years, with the pressures from COVID and also rising 539 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: interest rates and the overall cost of living, so those 540 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: things do come into play. Last year, The Australian reported 541 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: that David Jones stores across the country had experienced significant 542 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: drops in sales. Well, it's evident that this new owner 543 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: is trying to bring back what people used to love 544 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: about David Jones because they're investing more than two hundred 545 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars over the next three years, and 546 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: this marketing campaign appears to be the very start of 547 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: this turnaround. So I just think it's such clever marketing 548 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: because it's using nostalgia to not only gain widespread media attention, 549 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: which we've seen, there's also reshaping how members of the 550 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: public view the brand. Again, I also think it's a 551 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: great move for David Jones to platform someone who's nearly fifty, 552 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: especially off the back of the negative publicity that the 553 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: Witchery rebrand received when it was seen to exclude age. 554 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: Groups and larger body times. When did Meekin Gale turn 555 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 2: forty nine? 556 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: That blows my mind, I think because she's married to 557 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: a much younger footballer is Sean what's Sean Hampson from Richmond? Yeah, 558 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: that she seems so much younger. I mean, she doesn't 559 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: look a day of besore. Remember when it was like 560 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: such a big headline because she and Andy Lee started dating. 561 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 2: I think that was around the time of her real 562 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: heyday at David Joe. 563 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: I remember this rumor that was going around that said 564 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: that Andy Lee broke up with Rebecca Harding, who is 565 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: now his fiance, because after dating Megan Gaye, he felt 566 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: like he should be with someone high profile. I like 567 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: to think that wasn't true, I mean, considering there now together, 568 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: but you never know. With media times now, David Jones 569 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: have marked this announcement by making Megan Gale the cover 570 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: girl of their Spring twenty twenty four season launch and 571 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: in this article announcing Megan Gale as the new face 572 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: of David Jones. They have likened the connection between David 573 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: Jones and Meghan Gail to that of Nike and Michael Jordan, 574 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: which I thought was pretty iconic. I find it an 575 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: interesting way that they've made this announcement by putting her 576 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: on the front cover of the magazine. Obviously it makes 577 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: sense because she's a supermodel and she's stunning, but I 578 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: wonder how many people actually read this magazine. But it's 579 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: they even't just announced it on the magazine. They've put 580 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: out a huge pr release. It's all over their socials, 581 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: She's been all over Morning TV, It's in all of 582 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: the newspapers. This is a huge announcement for them, and 583 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: what I'm really interested to see is if this means 584 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: we'll suddenly see Mayer announced Jenn Hawkins come back. Because 585 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: if you rewind the clocks back to the early two thousands, 586 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: it was always Megan versus Jen, and the media actually 587 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: nicknamed the rivalry the store Wars. 588 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: And when you thought of David. 589 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: Jones, you instantly thought of Megan Gale, and the same 590 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: with Maya, you instantly thought of Jen Hawkins. 591 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 2: Were you a Maya girl or a David Jones girl. 592 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: I was a Maya girl, and I think that's because 593 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: of how old I was when they were the wars 594 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: going on, because they had the Missshop, so it was 595 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: quite cheap to buy clothes from there. David Jones always 596 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: had an older vibe to it. I'm elitist, Yeah, a 597 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: very snobby vibe which I didn't connect with. Yeah, and 598 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: any gen Zetta's listening, just so you know, being the 599 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: ambassador of a store like David Jones or Maya in 600 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: the early nineties or two thousands was like landing the 601 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: biggest influencer deal. There was such an intense sense of 602 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: brand loyalty, and people like Jen and Megan could literally 603 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: move product like no other person. 604 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: Ye. 605 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to find out how much they were being 606 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: paid for these deals at the time, so it was 607 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: around fifteen to twenty years ago. Obviously money has changed 608 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: a lot. I couldn't find an exact figure, but at 609 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: the height of their notoriety, they were being predicted to 610 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: be paid about one million dollars a year, which is 611 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: huge at the time. And if you look back, Meagan 612 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: left David Jones in twenty thirteen, but Jen continued on 613 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: and it wasn't until twenty eighteen that Jen Hawkins announced 614 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: sh'd be retiring as the face of Meyer, and interestingly, 615 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: off the back of it, Meyer announced there would never 616 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: be another face of Meyer and this led to many 617 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: media publications speculating that this was the end of the 618 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: ambassador era in Australian retail and it did change things. 619 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: So brands like Meyer and David Jones, while they still 620 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: had some ambassadors, they were very much on a campaign basis, 621 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: so they signed ambassadors on for limited periods, where back 622 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: in the day you would sign on for like a 623 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: five year deal. That's because with social media there is 624 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: always a new IP person. 625 00:29:59,360 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 626 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: I think the issue is that there's not as much 627 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: customer loyalty as there once was, and this is why 628 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: brands like Maya got rid of someone being the face 629 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: of it, but now we are seeing Megan goalback. She 630 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: has just signed a multi year deal. They haven't said 631 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: how many years exactly, but they've said it's a multi 632 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: year deal. So we just have to sit back and 633 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: see what does Maya do. Do You also think it's 634 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: because as a society it's been such a tumultuous time 635 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: with COVID and the cost of living. 636 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: We need some stability. 637 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: We need someone who is the face of one of 638 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: these iconic Australian brands, and we need to be reflecting 639 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: on a happier time. Yeah, I think you've hit the 640 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: nail on the head. People want nostalgia. Nostalgia is so 641 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: popular right now, and to. 642 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: Be honest, it does actually make me go I would 643 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: like to return to David Jones. 644 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: Well, I still shop there all the time. Well, I 645 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: think that's all we have time for today. Thank you 646 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: so much for joining us for today's show. If you 647 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: have enjoyed it, could you please make sure you subscribe 648 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: to Apple Podcasts and also Spotify. You can also follow 649 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: us on TikTok and Instagram. We're at Outspoken Underscore, the 650 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: Underscore podcast This episode was recorded on the traditional land 651 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Plaines. 652 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present