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Speaker 1: Well, the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi announced over the weekend

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: During the announcement the new Social Housing Accelerator Scheme, it

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Speaker 1: the Member for Solomon, Luke Gosling. Good morning to you, Luke,

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Speaker 1: Morning Katie, thank you so much for your time this morning. Now, Luke,

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Speaker 1: this is a massive announcement. Do we know what's in

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Speaker 1: it for the Northern Territory at this stage?

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Speaker 2: Yes, CODI fifty million dollars for affordable housing for the NT,

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Speaker 2: for Darwin and Parmas and our springs obviously as well.

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Speaker 1: Fifty million dollars. That certainly sounds like some very good news.

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Speaker 1: Do we know where those homes will be built?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so fifty million dollars, we're working on about five

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Speaker 2: my electorate will get a stantial allocation of those. The

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Speaker 2: we're hoping that that legislation passes the Parliament this week.

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Speaker 1: Now tell me, because I know that there'll be people

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Speaker 1: What's it going to see? So it's social housing, not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this will be affordable housing and you know with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, is it new money,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, Cody, it's new money. It's accelerated. It's

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister has announced his two billion accelerated process and

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Speaker 1: Well, let's hope that they get cracking then and get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Katie. We've got really low vacancy rates.

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Speaker 1: Look, another housing development which some are happy with, some

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Speaker 2: Two things I suppose, Katie. The first one is is

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Speaker 1: Now, Luke, before I let you go, we know in

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Speaker 2: No, I should go through today. And I just had

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Speaker 2: But I just think it's really important just for empowering

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Speaker 1: for you. Thank you very much for coming on the

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Speaker 1: show and having a chat to us about that additional

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Speaker 1: housing funding.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Katie, thank you, Ron,