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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was.

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Speaker 2: And joining us in the studio this morning, Billy and

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Speaker 2: the member for Namajira and representing the CLP.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Katie, and good morning to everybody here in Darwen.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you in the studios. Oh hang on,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to yeahs a dweller studio and well Matt

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Speaker 2: Cunningham my only other panelists this morning from the Darwin region.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you or from Darwin. Good morning.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to have to take that un noticed, Katie,

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Speaker 4: it's confidential, confidential.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, that's on fire already, Geezy.

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Speaker 3: Question for the record.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you and English people from well the

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Speaker 2: seat of Goida, the Independent member for Gorda, and we've

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Speaker 2: got Daryan Young who is indeed Labour's member for Daily.

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Speaker 5: Good morning to you, Good morning and good morning to

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Speaker 5: our Bush members and the rural area as well well.

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Speaker 2: The r is so rural and right beyond Sarah Maline

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Speaker 2: is being represent it today.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it. The towns are out numbered.

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Speaker 2: We are look out, look at and I tell you what,

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Speaker 2: it has been a very interesting couple of weeks. We

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Speaker 2: know that the Northern Territory parliament past Budget twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Late yesterday, the Northern Territory Government reckons Budget twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: broadens our investments in new industries and jocks, addresses cost

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Speaker 2: of living pressures, strengthens essential services, tackles complex social challenges,

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Speaker 2: and protects our great Territory lifestyle. But the budget estimates

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Speaker 2: process has uncovered some very interesting facts and figures well,

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Speaker 2: some that we couldn't quite get to the bottom of

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Speaker 2: as well, and plenty of questions answered, but quite a

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Speaker 2: few unanswered. In fact, nearly two hundred questions I believe

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Speaker 2: have been taken on notice.

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Speaker 1: It's been an interesting time, hasn't that?

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Speaker 3: It certainly has, Katie.

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Speaker 6: It's been been a big couple of weeks and some

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Speaker 6: pretty big holes found in some of the figures that

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Speaker 6: Labor have put forward in this year's budget, particularly around

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Speaker 6: the growth of the territory.

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Speaker 3: The treasurers said that to.

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Speaker 6: Get the economic growth that we need, we need to

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Speaker 6: get to a population of three hundred thousand people, and

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Speaker 6: to get there we know that we needed two point

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Speaker 6: two percent growth in our population every year, but the

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Speaker 6: forecast for this year's.

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Speaker 3: Point four percent, and then onwards it's only one percent.

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Speaker 6: So to reach those figures, to reach that forty billion

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Speaker 6: dollar economy that Labor keeps speaking about, we need to

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Speaker 6: they actually don't match it. So how do we get

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Speaker 6: to that forty billion dollar economy? But the bigger thing too,

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Speaker 6: is that Labor refused to acknowledge that the impact the

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Speaker 6: crime is having on business and our economy right across

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Speaker 6: the territory. They couldn't even come up with effectively numbers

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Speaker 6: to say that they've actually considered what the effect crime

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Speaker 6: is having on our economy, and that was really quite.

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Speaker 3: Damning, a big, glaring emission from Labor.

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Speaker 2: This week, it's certainly been like it's been a very

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Speaker 2: interesting week and the lots of topics I think that

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Speaker 2: have been of great interest to our listeners. So I

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Speaker 2: that I think has dominated well quite some time, really

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Speaker 2: it's safe to say, and that is the police commissioner,

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Speaker 2: the former police commissioner's payout. So plenty of questions have

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Speaker 2: been asked about that payout to former Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker.

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Speaker 2: Now this is what the Chief Minister had to say

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Speaker 2: on the show on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen.

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Speaker 7: In terms of the budget, I can absolutely assure your

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Speaker 7: listeners it is not coming from our frontline police resources

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Speaker 1: Is it coming from them?

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Speaker 2: Because the Treasurer firmly said that it is coming from

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Speaker 1: So where's it coming from?

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Speaker 7: So, as I was about to say, within our agencies,

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Speaker 7: they have a human resources allocation for budget, so that's

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Speaker 1: So police have an allocation for that. It comes from that.

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Speaker 7: But if police go over that budget this year, I

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Speaker 7: sure that our police, who are extremely hard working, know

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Speaker 7: that and your listeners know that. So there's that hr

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Speaker 7: budget component. Some agencies go under some years, some years

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Speaker 7: they go over. But I will absolutely make sure this

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Speaker 7: confidential matter and I can't speak to it. Or speak

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Speaker 7: to the amount. I do know the amount, Katie, but

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Speaker 7: I cannot speak to that. But I will make sure

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Speaker 2: But the fact is it's taxpayers dollars. So it is

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Speaker 2: money that Territorians are paying their taxes to pay out.

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Speaker 2: And it was bungled. This was bungled by your government

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Speaker 2: in terms of ending his contract, Katie.

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Speaker 1: A process was followed.

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Speaker 7: It is a matter for the courts and I cannot

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Speaker 7: say any more from that.

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Speaker 8: I would go the way the exit of the past

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Speaker 8: police Commission has been handled or manag It has been

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Speaker 8: just appalling. If it was if it was done as

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Speaker 8: would have rolled by now. I mean the man had

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Speaker 8: we're not going to renew your contract. He could have

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Speaker 8: letter which wasn't checked legally. And it appears that no

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Speaker 8: one has written this letter because I heard the Police minister.

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Speaker 8: I was there and she said, no, it didn't come

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Speaker 8: in that letter which were factually incorrect. Now I've been

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Speaker 8: told that from a very high authority within police.

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Speaker 9: From a high authority. It came out in court.

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Speaker 4: It said in the letter that Jamie Chalker had asked

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Speaker 4: for the Australian Defense Force to come and help deal

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Speaker 9: Now, Jamie Chalker, at the same time he's.

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Speaker 4: Being accused of doing this, is on the record, on

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Speaker 4: The last thing we want is people, you know, in

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Speaker 4: information get into that letter? And the details of that

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Speaker 4: letter were read out by Arthur Moses, his lawyer in court.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. That letter came out of

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they didn't get some listed general's advice, I'm told,

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Speaker 8: and more fool them. So where did that letter actually come?

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Speaker 8: That went to Jamie Chalker? And of course once he

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing, and unfortunately it is something that

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Speaker 2: continues to raise John money. That's exactly right, and I

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Speaker 2: do think that the Chief Minister did herself a favor

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Speaker 2: she does know how much it is, but there is

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Speaker 2: a confidentiality clause so she's not able to outline that.

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Speaker 2: But the fact is it is taxpayers dollars. People want

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Speaker 2: to know how much it was, but they also, you know,

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Speaker 2: I want to know why they're footing the bill for

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Speaker 2: something that they feel as though has been bungled. But

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Speaker 2: what we have learned, what was revealed is that the

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Speaker 2: legal fees paid by the Northern Territory government were almost

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Speaker 2: seventeen thousand dollars sixteen thousand, eight hundred and seventy three

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Speaker 2: according to the ABC.

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Speaker 1: Now that's obviously not the payout. That's the legal fees

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Speaker 1: I mean for anti government. Yeah, that's my understanding.

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Speaker 4: So look at the external legal fees. A doesn't wages,

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Speaker 4: the costs the wages of people working for the SFNT.

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Speaker 6: And I have absolutely no doubt the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 6: considering this was going to go to the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: So I don't think.

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Speaker 6: The entire cost of the legal fees has probably come

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Speaker 5: I think it's like a confidential matter with in terms

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Speaker 5: of the seizing the Police Commissioner's contract, and that's the

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Speaker 3: It's now settled. We're moving on.

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Speaker 5: We're working with looking at getting a new police commissioner,

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Speaker 5: so that process is in place at the moment and

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Speaker 4: What was also intriguing Katie is that the ministers, when

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Speaker 4: they're in estimates, are refusing to answer some of these

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Speaker 4: this is what the legal costs were, and also includes

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Speaker 4: payout was less than a million dollars. You know, how

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Speaker 4: can you have a situation where the police minister's up

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Speaker 9: Somebody's got but someone on the fifth floor knows. Someone

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Speaker 9: should know. Sh shouldn't the ministers know rather than the

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Speaker 1: Well, someone has.

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Speaker 8: To know because someone has approved money going from a

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Speaker 1: Now someone must.

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Speaker 2: I do just want to point out that Durani Keysier

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Speaker 1: So if you're wondering what.

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Speaker 2: Now, look, it's you know, obviously that's one of the

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Speaker 2: all of you that have been keeping a close eye

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Speaker 2: on estimates what has been one of the you know,

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Speaker 2: information that have flown through. I mean, I want to

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Speaker 2: You know, there's been very serious questions that have been asked,

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Speaker 6: It was quite evident during the process Cadde, a lot

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Speaker 3: Answers though they were.

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Speaker 3: So what I want to give those answers at the time.

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Speaker 3: It will all be one big pile. They'll all sort

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Speaker 1: You're delaying me inevitable in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it was.

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Speaker 6: It was one of the worst estimates I think I've seen, Katie,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and sometimes you know, like I said, just because

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Speaker 5: it's important that we are transparent and that's why those

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Speaker 1: Do reckon easier. I've sat on lots of estimate committees.

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Speaker 8: There were more questions taken on notice than I think

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Having saturdaysance as the speaker, there's a volume of

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Speaker 8: the information is there across the departments. But they're embarking,

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Speaker 8: So again it's I think anyway, it's about avoiding close scrutiny,

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Speaker 1: They sense a bloody waste of time. You know that says, seriously,

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Speaker 1: what do you actually hope to achieve as a collective?

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Speaker 8: We not forget the politics about it, but did we

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Speaker 1: Because the government well, which is incredibly disappointing. Really what

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Speaker 8: I want to know how many times police have gone

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Speaker 8: it's for my community to gain and for the school community.

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Speaker 1: I want to be easier.

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Speaker 2: I reckon right there, you've actually hit the nail on

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Speaker 8: And now we all know the trouble that went on

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Speaker 8: Excuse me, people from Daily River going to Fosky's pavilion

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Speaker 8: but people want to know because they some people surprisingly

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and to be fair, at those times with the

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Speaker 5: we we have that in place, when there are natural

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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter where you come from, whether you come

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Speaker 5: and that's not fair to say, most people did the

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Speaker 2: Well, and it was unfortunate though even on that, you like,

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Speaker 2: at the start, the Chief Minister had said it was

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Speaker 2: and she said, no, I do not think that it is.

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Speaker 1: You know, after saying that it happened.

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Speaker 6: In prastructure, Minister said during instruments that it was were

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Speaker 3: Is where in tear, But hundreds and hundreds of.

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Speaker 6: Broken windows specifically blocked up plumbing maliciously blocked up.

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Speaker 6: There was all these things that happened that we that

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Speaker 1: So we need to.

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Speaker 5: Go back to you know, when when those questions were

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Speaker 5: first ask So I was still doing those assessments on

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Speaker 2: Fact, it is funny though, because a lot of people

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Speaker 2: of people had contacted us and said, Katie, there's extensive

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Speaker 1: Hear that at the time. I made of mine wrote

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Speaker 1: Maybe got it wrong, just front up and say.

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Speaker 6: Just fress up, just fess up, you mess up, sticking up,

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Speaker 4: In the case in the case of how it springs,

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Speaker 4: I don't think you could blame the government for what happened.

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Speaker 9: I mean, in which.

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Speaker 1: And had been said right at the start, it would have.

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Speaker 4: Saved I think the problem was there was the wear

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Speaker 9: And then the Chief Minister went back to wear and

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Speaker 1: Just so something that on the same page.

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Speaker 4: Like we're stupid when you don't do that. I use

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Speaker 9: We got it wrong, we planted the wrong vine. We're

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Speaker 3: The other day. Matt I had to wear a hat.

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Speaker 3: Sol didn't get some.

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Speaker 8: I've been saying four years, four years, it's the wrong

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Speaker 8: There is a problem. There was a problem with Howard Springs.

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Speaker 8: It got wrecked, albeit by a certain number of people.

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Speaker 4: And the victims in this situation are the other people

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Speaker 9: Springs, you know, and they're the people who well.

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Speaker 8: It's academic whether it's going to be used again, because

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Speaker 1: So perhaps they might have to go back to Foski.

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Speaker 9: She's so right.

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Speaker 2: Apparently to run any word on the street, that's the

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was.

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Speaker 2: And I do want to speak about a very serious

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Speaker 2: week and it was pretty heartbreaking stuff. I mean, she

443
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Speaker 2: is clearly a mum who's absolutely devastated. She wants to

444
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Speaker 2: see some serious change when it comes to bail, and

445
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Speaker 2: she wants to make sure that you know that people

446
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Speaker 2: who are you know, have have committed a serious offense,

447
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 2: a serious violent offense and not able to get bail. Now,

448
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Speaker 2: I did interview the Chief minister on Tuesday morning it

449
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Speaker 2: was actually not Monday, Tuesday morning this week and spoke

450
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Speaker 2: to her about Samara's post, and you know, she had

451
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Speaker 2: said that they are acting with urgency. She said that,

452
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Speaker 2: you know what I can say is that police decide

453
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Speaker 2: who gets bail. Now, that in itself caused some issues

454
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Speaker 2: with those comments, which she's later apologized to the police for,

455
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Speaker 2: but she had said that police are best plays because

456
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Speaker 2: they're highly trained, they understand the circumstances, and they can

457
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Speaker 2: restrict bail to anyone that they believe will be a

458
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Speaker 2: threat to our community.

459
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Speaker 1: So I guess where we.

460
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Speaker 2: Sit right now is we are in a situation where,

461
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Speaker 2: you know where we have got quite a few people

462
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Speaker 2: in the community who really do feel as though there

463
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Speaker 2: needs to be some more urgent and stronger action taken

464
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Speaker 2: as a result of what we have seen over the

465
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Speaker 2: last few months. And like I said, it was heartbreaking

466
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Speaker 2: to speak to Samara Labaty. She also had told us

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Speaker 2: and I know that there'd been some discussion about this

468
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Speaker 2: on social media. But she did also reveal that when

469
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Speaker 2: she had arrived in Darwen the day after she arrived

470
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Speaker 2: in Darwin after her son had passed away, that she

471
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Speaker 2: allegedly had a rock thrown at her, you know, when

472
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Speaker 2: she got out to go and do some grocery shopping

473
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Speaker 2: in a car park, and you know, it was actually, like,

474
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Speaker 2: it's pretty it was really heartbreaking to talk to her

475
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Speaker 2: and think that, you know, what her view of the

476
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Speaker 2: Northern Territory must be as a result of everything that

477
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Speaker 2: has gone on.

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Speaker 1: And she did say that she's really.

479
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Speaker 2: Grateful for the support that she's received from the community

480
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Speaker 2: and that there's so many wonderful Territorians out there.

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Speaker 1: But she was like, it was tough to listen to.

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Speaker 8: It's all a lot of it's about leadership. You know,

483
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Speaker 8: you've got to lead from the front.

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Speaker 2: Now.

485
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Speaker 8: I listened to something to you know, I read the

486
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Speaker 8: comments that the mother had put on social media, and.

487
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Speaker 1: She wants to make a difference.

488
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Speaker 8: She wants to make a difference so that no other

489
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Speaker 8: family goes through what she's currently going through and will

490
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Speaker 8: go through till end of her time and her the

491
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Speaker 8: father's time as well. So she wants to make a difference.

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Speaker 8: And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's

493
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Speaker 8: what should be encouraged and she will keep She sounds

494
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Speaker 8: a determined woman and she's going to keep at the

495
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Speaker 8: government and others to effect change such that it doesn't

496
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Speaker 8: happen to anyone else's family. Now best I can understand,

497
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Speaker 8: I remember the bail laws and I listened to Minister

498
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Speaker 8: Peate talk about when the question was, you know, how

499
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Speaker 8: do you define it? Was it a sharp weapon or

500
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Speaker 8: a knife or whatever? And you know, I said this

501
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Speaker 8: at the time, there's three categories. There's prohibitive weapons, naughty

502
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Speaker 8: bad ones shouldn't have them. There's control weapons, which you

503
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Speaker 8: can have like cattle progs, like bow and arrows, that

504
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Speaker 8: kind of stuff. And then there's offensive weapons. And the

505
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Speaker 8: government changed to the first two, but they didn't put

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Speaker 8: any changes into the third one. Now, offensive weapon is

507
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Speaker 8: anything that is used to create harm star pickers, jemi bars, knives, scissors, whatever,

508
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Speaker 8: and they refuse to put changes into that section of

509
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Speaker 8: the Weapons control at Now the question is why.

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Speaker 6: We bought those amendbers forward CYSA to bring offensive weapons

511
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Speaker 6: in as part of that ballery form.

512
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Speaker 3: And Labor, and Labor didn't want to do it.

513
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Speaker 6: And there's so many things that form those offensive weapons,

514
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Speaker 6: and we see those used across our communities all the

515
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Speaker 6: time to cause harm to people, and it was a

516
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Speaker 6: bit of a no brainer to bring those offensive weapons

517
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Speaker 6: into that legislation to provide that protection and that suurery

518
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Speaker 6: to our community that people who use those weapons will

519
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Speaker 6: be treated by the law as the law sees fit.

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Speaker 6: But that doesn't sit there now. And like the stuff

521
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Speaker 6: that Declan's mum, that was pretty horroring listening to that interview.

522
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Speaker 6: And she wants to see some change and the only

523
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Speaker 6: people who can make that change of the government. We've

524
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Speaker 6: tried to bring that change forward a number of times

525
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Speaker 6: in our parliament. We get shouted down. It's up to

526
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Speaker 6: the government, it's up to labor to make those changes effectively,

527
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Speaker 6: because she wants to make sure the declon's death is

528
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Speaker 6: not that's some actual, real change comes out of that,

529
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Speaker 6: and change that the community can see and keep our

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Speaker 6: community safer.

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Speaker 2: Now, Duran, I know that the Northern Territory government is

532
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Speaker 2: currently undertaking that bail review. The Chief Minister I believed

533
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Speaker 2: through the week. Matt, you may be able to tell

534
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Speaker 2: me did say that would be made public. How far

535
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Speaker 2: off are we, you know, from from seeing that review

536
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Speaker 2: and knowing what's going to change. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, firstly, my heart goes out to Samara labrity for

538
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Speaker 5: losing her son. You know, no one wants to see that,

539
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Speaker 5: and you know, we're all elected members and we're here

540
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Speaker 5: to ensure that, you know, we better our communities. So

541
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Speaker 5: it's a devastating thing for any parent to go through

542
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Speaker 5: and her family as well. But we have made some

543
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Speaker 5: changes to the Bail Legislation and Weapons Act and we're

544
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Speaker 5: currently reviewing that and that's a process at the moment,

545
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Speaker 5: and that sits with cabinet. I don't sit in cabinet,

546
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Speaker 5: so you know, like Kesier, like Bill Yarn, I sit

547
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Speaker 5: outside of cabinet, and that they're currently revering that right now.

548
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Speaker 5: But we have strengthened some of those laws around edged

549
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Speaker 5: weapons knives, for example, to ensure that people don't get

550
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Speaker 5: bail if they commit those crimes. And we'll always have

551
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Speaker 5: to continue to review this to ensure the safety of

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Speaker 5: the community.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's you know, there's no other way to put it.

554
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Speaker 2: It is absolutely devastating. And I guess at this point

555
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Speaker 2: in time, we are in a situation where it is

556
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Speaker 2: a wait and see exactly what the government comes out

557
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Speaker 2: with and how extensive those changes may or may not

558
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Speaker 2: be at this point in time, and I think there

559
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Speaker 2: was governors here, they're not policy strategy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there was the whole media like stepping out knife crime.

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Speaker 6: That announcement was made months ago and like were months

562
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Speaker 6: in and then the Attorney General during estrumate said well,

563
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Speaker 6: we're going to be looking at a policy or a

564
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Speaker 6: practice reminder state to bring into the Northern Territory, possibly

565
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Speaker 6: off from.

566
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Speaker 3: Queensland in August. Yeah, so how many months down the

567
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Speaker 3: road are we.

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Speaker 6: From the government making that announcement we're going to stamp

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Speaker 6: out in ife crime and we still haven't seen a

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Speaker 6: great deal.

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Speaker 1: And look, you know that's the question that a lot

572
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Speaker 1: of people are asking.

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Speaker 8: Really and Minister Chancey Pate was here on Friday before

574
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Speaker 8: last whatever and yes, the government, as I understand it, well,

575
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Speaker 8: he said, they were looking at the Scotland experience, which

576
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Speaker 8: is probably one of the best in the world to

577
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Speaker 8: look at the worst because they had a terrible situation.

578
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Speaker 8: But then they implement a change and parts of England

579
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Speaker 8: and other places you know, or even Queensland in to

580
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Speaker 8: state what they've done. So I think they've just got

581
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Speaker 8: to get on with it.

582
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Speaker 1: I mean I get it.

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Speaker 8: And in sympathy and fairness to the government, sometimes things

584
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Speaker 8: do take time. You've got to talk to people, you've

585
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Speaker 8: got to research, you've got to write, but just get

586
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Speaker 8: on give us some actual definite time.

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Speaker 2: Thing is, you know, the government's been drag kicking and

588
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Speaker 2: screaming on a few different things throughout this year, and

589
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Speaker 2: one of those is obviously the alcohol restrictions in Alice Springs. Now,

590
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Speaker 2: just to sort of pivot a little bit here, we

591
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Speaker 2: know that the Alla Springs are salt data, well it.

592
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Speaker 1: Has been released.

593
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Speaker 2: Well some of that information has been released, and you've

594
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Speaker 2: got the Central Australian Aboriginal Congress where due to catch

595
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Speaker 2: up with doctor John buff Woffer after ten o'clock this

596
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Speaker 2: morning about some of this data and what it's revealed

597
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Speaker 2: in terms of those alcohol restrictions. Now, the reason, you know,

598
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Speaker 2: I'm sort of pivoting this way is is the government

599
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Speaker 2: sort of getting dragged, kicking and screaming to make some

600
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Speaker 2: of these changes. It's something that they certainly had to

601
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Speaker 2: be dragged, kicking and screaming on earlier this year in

602
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Speaker 2: Alice Springs. Having a look at some of what has

603
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Speaker 2: come out, you know, the DV assaults are down thirty

604
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Speaker 2: seven percent. All assaults are down thirty five percent, property

605
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Speaker 2: offenses down twenty five percent.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty astronomical to think.

607
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Speaker 2: That, you know, to think that they had to be dragged,

608
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Speaker 2: kicking and screaming on this one.

609
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Speaker 4: Well, it sort of goes back to the point we

610
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Speaker 4: were talking about before, Katie, about governments needing to admit

611
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Speaker 4: when they get something wrong. Now, you know this all

612
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Speaker 4: blew up in January at a national level, but we

613
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Speaker 4: were talking to people here for months. You know. I

614
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Speaker 4: had Robin Lamley in my studio would have been last October,

615
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Speaker 4: I reckon so talking for fifteen minutes about the disastrous

616
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Speaker 4: impact of lifting those alcohol restrictions in Alice, Springstown camps,

617
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Speaker 4: Matt Patterson, others. I mean Robin got up and screen

618
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Speaker 4: blue murder about it. In the Parliament. You know, it

619
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Speaker 4: would have been last September.

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Speaker 6: We were talking about it in during before the invene,

621
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Speaker 6: saying if you do this, if you remove these restrictions,

622
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Speaker 6: these are the impact it's going to have a hat hand.

623
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Speaker 3: But it wasn't just us, it was everybody.

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Speaker 9: There was across the goverment.

625
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Speaker 8: A cople of government had a paper out I think

626
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Speaker 8: it was from the Prime Minister and Cabinet kind of

627
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Speaker 8: department saying, empty government, you need to get prepared when

628
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Speaker 8: this sunset clause comes in.

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Speaker 1: So it was everyone was saying.

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Speaker 9: Man, and it was it wasn't even you know, a

631
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Speaker 9: left versus right thing.

632
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Speaker 4: You had the left leaning NGOs and you had the

633
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Speaker 4: Hotels Association all in agreeance.

634
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Speaker 9: This is a disaster that is about to happen.

635
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Speaker 3: Don't do it. I think happened too.

636
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Speaker 5: This is being politicized, affair bit and putting it back

637
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 5: on our government that this was a federal legislation through

638
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 5: the intervention and that sun set clause came in and

639
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Speaker 5: they're just trying to wipe their hands clear of it.

640
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Speaker 5: We know that Scott Morrison was in at the time

641
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Speaker 5: and he didn't want to work with us on this.

642
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Speaker 4: So I agree with what Duran's saying that the federal

643
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: coalition government shares equal responsibility for this decision. And I've

644
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Speaker 4: seen some of the letters, and I've seen some of

645
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: the letters interpreted in odd ways. You know, there is

646
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: a letter from Ken Wyatt to the anti government back

647
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Speaker 4: in March or April of last year where he's saying,

648
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Speaker 4: go for your life, you.

649
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: Know, to make the decision of what they want to do.

650
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Speaker 9: Yes, absolutely, absolutely don't think you call.

651
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Speaker 5: The federal government out on this bill, your own party,

652
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 5: of the Liberal Party in Canberra, you're just coming back

653
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Speaker 5: to us and that's not fair.

654
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: So you need to be honest.

655
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Speaker 6: Gave the responsibility of the Northern Territory government, which is great.

656
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 6: We want the ability to make our own decisions here

657
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 6: in a territory I should be shared decision making.

658
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Speaker 8: I can recall very vividly the Chancy Pak saying we're

659
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Speaker 8: not having race based policies. That's exactly right, We're not

660
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Speaker 8: having that. These people and these Aboriginal people in this

661
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Speaker 8: camp can't drink and these people can drink racist rubbish.

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Speaker 8: And then minute there's mister Pike and Natasha Files the

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Speaker 8: Chief Minister, standing next to mister Albers, saying we're going

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Speaker 8: to do it.

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Speaker 4: I interviewed the Chief Minister literally that day, three hours

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Speaker 4: before that press conference, in a live interview, and she

667
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Speaker 4: was saying the same thing, we are not going to

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Speaker 4: have race based policies. We are not going to overturn

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Speaker 4: this meeting with the Prime Minister. Next minute and this thing,

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Speaker 4: you know, like but but it was obvious, you know,

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Speaker 4: it was obvious it needed to change the statistics if

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Speaker 4: you look, you're talking about these status now. But we've

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Speaker 4: seen these statistics and we reported on this a month

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Speaker 4: or two ago when you look at the hospital admission data,

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Speaker 4: and it is obvious and immediate that come July when

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Speaker 4: those restrictions all of a sudden and.

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Speaker 2: Presentations for now just a couple of weeks away from July.

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Speaker 1: So what is going to happen here?

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Speaker 2: You know, are we going to see a situation where

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Speaker 2: these restrictions are continued on or are they going to

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Speaker 2: be lifted?

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Speaker 1: Durant?

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Speaker 2: You know, I know that you're not part of of

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Speaker 2: the cabinet, but what are you thinking here?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you must be able.

686
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Speaker 2: To see yourself the way that you know, the way

687
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Speaker 2: that things are rolling out the people of Alice Springs

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Speaker 2: saying that those limitations on certain days are having a

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Speaker 2: positive impact.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, clearly they're having a positive impact. But I think

691
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Speaker 5: we need to go back to that we need needs

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Speaker 5: based funding up here, and this is exposed exactly why

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Speaker 5: we need that funding.

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Speaker 2: That since before the budget, you know, and that's how

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Speaker 2: much money has actually been earmarked for Alice Springs as well,

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Speaker 2: Like it's an enormous amount of money for Alice Springs.

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Speaker 5: It is an enormous amount of money, but it's exactly

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Speaker 5: what we need for Alice Springs because it shows that

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Speaker 5: that needs based funding is now working. We've got a

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Speaker 5: reduction in crime, we've got a reduction in break in,

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Speaker 5: so we've got a reduction in domestic violence and we've

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Speaker 5: put the money exactly where it's needed.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon that we're seeing those reductions as a

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Speaker 2: result all that needs based funding and as a result

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Speaker 2: of those programs being in place rather than the alcohol

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Speaker 2: restrictions being in place.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a combination of all, isn't it. So you

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Speaker 5: need to be able to transition out of that as well.

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Speaker 5: So we're currently working with communities on alcohol management plans

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Speaker 5: as well. Individual communities. I know, for example, Belle Ewen

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Speaker 5: are starting that work in my electorate. So it's about

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Speaker 5: working with the communities and what they want for their

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Speaker 5: community to be able to transition out of that.

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Speaker 6: Look, the Prime Minister came Bell Springs back in January

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Speaker 6: and effectively the Chief Minister and Attorney General drag kicking

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Speaker 6: and screaming to make those changes.

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Speaker 3: And then before.

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Speaker 9: Why did it take the.

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Speaker 1: Three years before they weren't doing it.

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Speaker 6: And effect with other Prime ministers said like this is

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Speaker 6: a criss we need to take action now. Made the

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Speaker 6: announcement about the funding and that was back in January.

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Speaker 3: Here we are, we're sitting.

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Speaker 6: In just about July, and there was a promise to

725
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Speaker 6: two hundred and fifty million. Okay, it's down to what

726
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Speaker 6: is one hundred and sixty five and some it's going

727
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Speaker 6: to be quarantine and put aside for.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully the people out of the bush should they need it.

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Speaker 3: And definitely there hasn't been any funding yet to run

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Speaker 3: like thet's gone down because it's back in place.

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Speaker 6: And I've seen those figures from the People's Action against

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Speaker 6: Alcohol coalition in our springs and you see the numbers

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Speaker 6: leading into July last year and they're similar to the

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Speaker 6: years before, or I think they gave back nearly five

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Speaker 6: or six years. Then you see that spike between July

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Speaker 6: and January, and that spike is unbelievable, the amount of harm.

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Speaker 3: And issues that happened in that six months.

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Speaker 6: And then okay, the restrictions were brought back in effectively

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Speaker 6: it's stronger futures by another name. We're introduced in January,

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Speaker 6: and we've seen those numbers drop back down to what

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Speaker 6: they were prior to that.

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Speaker 2: And what are people saying in Alice, So they saying

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Speaker 2: that they want those restrictions to stay in place. There

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Speaker 2: are people saying that they want them lifted.

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Speaker 3: There's some mixed feelings there, Katie.

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Speaker 6: Look, I think people like the restrictions for the fact

747
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Speaker 6: that it has taken those issues away and we've seen

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Speaker 6: a significant reduction in some of those harm related issues

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Speaker 6: and everyone's being able to sort of breathe a little

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Speaker 6: bit easier. We're starting to see that stuff increase the

751
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Speaker 6: game that the big issue that people find is the

752
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Speaker 6: Mondays and Tuesdays being alcohol free days. I think a

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Speaker 6: lot of people I've spoken to would be happy to

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Speaker 6: see the single sale, like you can only get just

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Speaker 6: per day continue. They're okay with the restrictions ours, but

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Speaker 6: the Mondays and Tuesdays the people I've spoken I would

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Speaker 6: like to see those go. Now there's all these measures

758
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Speaker 6: put in plays really really quickly. It's very hard to

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Speaker 6: determine which ones are having the biggest effect. But I

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Speaker 6: suppose the Mondays and Tuesdays are also having an effect

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Speaker 6: on our tourism. There's falls and against for that, and

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Speaker 6: I get that, and I understand it. But if you're

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Speaker 6: a tourist poking through our springs you want to grab

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Speaker 6: your bottle of wine as you travel through, well, bugger,

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Speaker 6: you can't do it on a Monday or a Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: BECA.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit of an inconvenience.

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Speaker 6: But we've got to have a look at how all

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Speaker 6: those measures have played out.

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Speaker 3: What's working and what's not.

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Speaker 6: The BDR data is showing that sales are now back

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Speaker 6: to pre restriction levels.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to verbally you hear kesy, but I reckon

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Speaker 4: that the smartest idea I heard throughout that whole debate.

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Speaker 8: It was the permits. Yes, no permit system. It's about prevention.

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Speaker 8: Everything's always about prevented before the incident or accident occurs. Now,

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Speaker 8: what I suggested was that it's not it's like the BDR.

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Speaker 8: It would even be similar to the BDR. And you know,

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Speaker 8: I haven't gone through all the logistics or mechanics of it.

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Speaker 8: But unless you live in that town or location and

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Speaker 8: can produce a driver's license that says you live on

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Speaker 8: Larapintra or wherever, you can't buy booze.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 6: That was happening during COVID keys. I had that system

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Speaker 6: in place and a lot of areas. So if you if

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Speaker 6: you come from and this was specifically down in a

787
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Speaker 6: few areas, if you come into town you couldn't buy alcohol,

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Speaker 6: well they.

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Speaker 8: Should think about it seriously because it would solve a

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Speaker 8: lot of problems, like when the naughty people came in

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Speaker 8: from Dargaragou as opposed to all the normal good ones,

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Speaker 8: if they went into the bottle shop or wherever they

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Speaker 8: couldn't buy booze, or if the Catherine people gravitate up

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Speaker 8: here or.

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Speaker 4: They have it in northeast arm Land and it works

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Speaker 4: quite effectively there and then and then it's not and

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Speaker 4: to solve you know, Natasha and Chancey's issue.

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Speaker 9: It's not a race based policy.

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Speaker 4: You know, you can get a permit whether you're black,

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Speaker 4: white or Britain if it works. But you can also

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Speaker 4: you know, the community can help decide. Hey, that guy

802
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Speaker 4: over there, you know he can't be buying grog because

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Speaker 4: he's no good when he's on right.

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Speaker 8: And because there's there's a whole no, no, not a

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Speaker 8: whole lot. There's a few that camp round the back

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Speaker 8: of Bunnings, which is sort of near where I live.

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Speaker 8: And I know they're from Man and Greta some of

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Speaker 8: them and some of from owen Pelly. Some are O

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Speaker 8: one's a dry, dry, campy kind area, but the others

810
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Speaker 8: are definitely not dry. Now they are buying from the

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Speaker 8: nearby bottle shops in shopping centers if they clearly they've

812
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Speaker 8: obviously got a driver's license all that sort of stuff.

813
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Speaker 8: But if they have a driver's license with an address

814
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Speaker 8: and owen Pelly a Man and Greta, no think we

815
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Speaker 8: need to.

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Speaker 5: Go back to the community alcohol management plans and allow

817
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Speaker 5: those communities to make those decisions for themselves as well,

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Speaker 5: you know, like and having some preventive measures in place,

819
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Speaker 5: having some education around alcohol and responsible drinking. So that's

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Speaker 5: stuff that we need to start working on. Like I mentioned,

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Speaker 5: we're doing that in bell Ywan. There's a few other

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Speaker 5: communities in the West Daily region we're starting with.

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Speaker 1: It was keen to do something as well, so.

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Speaker 6: It's a good idea. There's a lot of communities want

825
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Speaker 6: to have social cops back.

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Speaker 2: We aren't going to have to take a really short break.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 2: It is the week that was still plenty more coming

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Speaker 2: your way if you've just joined us in the studio

830
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Speaker 2: this morning. Duran Young, who is Labour's member for Daily

831
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Speaker 2: We've got keys yet, Puric the member for Gorda, Matt

832
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Speaker 2: Cunningham from Sky News and Bill Yan from the seat

833
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Speaker 2: of Namajira for the CLP.

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Speaker 1: Now during the week, we know on Monday.

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Speaker 2: This week we spoke to Luke Gosling about the Federal

836
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Speaker 2: governments social housing announcement, so two billion dollars on offer

837
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Speaker 2: across Australia in an effort to boost social housing. Fifty

838
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Speaker 2: million dollars of urban social housing funds for the Northern

839
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Speaker 2: Territory as part of that announcement. But it seems as

840
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Speaker 2: though there is some pretty serious work that's required when

841
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Speaker 2: it comes to public housing more generally. Now, I obviously

842
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: get that social housing is very different to public housing,

843
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 2: but when we're talking about money being invested into this space,

844
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Speaker 2: because we know that when it comes to well rent

845
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Speaker 2: being written off, we're talking four point seventy five million

846
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Speaker 2: dollars in urban rent which is currently outstanding here in

847
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Speaker 2: Darwin or in the Northern Territory in urban housing. But

848
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Speaker 2: we also know that there has been an enormous amount

849
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Speaker 2: of money when it goes to repairs on public housing homes.

850
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Speaker 2: Now that's not only out in the bush, but it's

851
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Speaker 2: also here in our more urban areas. And I guess

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Speaker 2: the point that I'm trying to make is when you

853
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Speaker 2: look at fifty million dollars is being invested into housing,

854
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Speaker 2: and then you look at how much money we are

855
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Speaker 2: not getting in rent repayments and we're not getting when

856
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Speaker 2: you go to those repairs and maintenance, just sort of think, shit, do.

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Speaker 1: We need to kind of tighten up the way that

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Speaker 1: we're doing things here?

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Speaker 5: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: I mean, and I listened to some fellow that was interviewed.

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Speaker 8: If you are in a public housing situation or a

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Speaker 8: household unit, then you pay rent. Yeah, Now, why is

863
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Speaker 8: it any different to someone in an Aboriginal community or

864
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Speaker 8: remote community who's in a public housing situation. Someone's salary

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Speaker 8: should have an automatic deduction. Shouldn't live whatever they get

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Speaker 8: their center link or wherever they get their money from

867
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Speaker 8: to assist them, like are they paying over the counter?

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Speaker 1: Are they putting it in the post? So why isn't

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Speaker 1: it straight away out of there? Then you wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: the twenty two million dollars.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing so one of our listeners that actually

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Speaker 2: messaged in and said, Katie, I've lived in public housing

873
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Speaker 2: for I think it was twenty seven years or thirty

874
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Speaker 2: seven years. And he said that the way that he's

875
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Speaker 2: got it set up is that it goes out of

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Speaker 2: his center Link look out of his pension, so that

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Speaker 2: it happens right from the yet go.

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Speaker 1: And I guess that's the you know, that's the question

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Speaker 1: that a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of people are housing is how do you do

881
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Speaker 2: it so that then we're not in a res constantly.

882
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 6: I give the government its dues, they've got those people

883
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 6: working with those in public housing. They get them into Sendlink,

884
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 6: fill out the forms to get those automatic deductions happening

885
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 6: and being everybody's happy, and away they go. And then

886
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 6: the people who have done the forms go into sendlingk

887
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 6: the next day and cancel the payments and then there's

888
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 6: no Then there's no follow up then from housing as

889
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 6: to why those payments are stopped. So there's a disconnected

890
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 6: in there. If you look, you look at our homeless rights,

891
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 6: our homeless rates are the whole country twelve times high

892
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 6: thanywhere else.

893
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 3: I welcome the.

894
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 6: Investment into housing and social public housing.

895
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 3: We definitely need it. There's six to eight.

896
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 6: Year weight list get to get into public housing, so

897
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 6: we definitely need more, but I think the government have

898
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 6: got to be a little bit smarter about how they're

899
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 6: going about it.

900
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 8: It's also it's worse than that built in regards to

901
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 8: the waitlist, Katie is that the weight list star six

902
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 8: to eight years, but the emergene weight list there's two

903
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 8: types of list.

904
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: That's also two D three years.

905
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 8: So when you've got someone like an old person who

906
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 8: needs to get out of where are and go into

907
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 8: public housing, sometimes those weight listen they're also as long

908
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 8: as well.

909
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: Well even you know, like a mum flying, domestic violence situation,

910
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: things like that, like you go on, there's it's actually

911
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: people who are genuinely in need of housing. And that's

912
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: where I guess I find it disappointing is then when

913
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: you have got people and not everybody. You know, we've

914
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 2: got a lot of people that look after those homes

915
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: that do live in public housing, but when you do

916
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: have those that aren't doing the right thing, why we're

917
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: not tightening things up a little bit more too?

918
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 5: I think we need to remember that people in remote

919
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 5: communities are living in overcreded housing. So you know, in

920
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 5: my community of what we have an average of about

921
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 5: sixteen to twenty people per house, So obviously you're going

922
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 5: to need more repairs and maintenance to that a lot

923
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 5: quicker than say myself or I live by myself and

924
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 5: I flush the toilet once or twice a day compared

925
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 5: to someone in a community that might be twenty to

926
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 5: forty times a day. So the repairs and maintenance are

927
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 5: going to be a lot more urgent there. But we

928
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 5: are investing in remote housing. You know, we're building about

929
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 5: one house every two days. You know, we've we've seen

930
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 5: between twenty twelve and twenty sixteen, one house was built

931
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 5: in the last two years of their government, so we're

932
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 5: doing the catch up work for that. We're easing those pressures.

933
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 5: So it does take time to build houses, but it's

934
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 5: also about how to bring a holistic approach to the

935
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 5: housing program. Like it's easy enough to go out and

936
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 5: just build twenty houses in the community and the contractor

937
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 5: goes back to Daln and there's nothing left for the community.

938
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: So what do we do.

939
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 5: We want to see young people getting trained up to

940
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 5: make sure that they're getting apprenticeships to the housing program,

941
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 5: like we're starting to see and what in Daily River

942
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 5: there's a couple of young fellas that are being trained

943
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 5: with the housing program there. They've got five new houses

944
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 5: being built in Daily River. So we want to see

945
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 5: local jobs and getting outcomes in a holistic approach.

946
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 4: And I've just been to Griod Island a couple of

947
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 4: weeks ago, and what they're doing over there is really

948
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 4: I mean, if there's hope for this place, it exists

949
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 4: on Grid Island because over there they are getting those

950
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: young people that Duran is talking about, some of them

951
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 4: who've been in prison. They're getting these young people, they

952
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 4: are giving them jobs building houses on their own community,

953
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 4: and that's the future. They have the benefit, of course

954
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: of having a massive trust fund that comes from a

955
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: big mine over there. But if we're going to turn

956
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 4: around these communities, that's exactly what. If you build it,

957
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 4: and if you build your owniness, you're far more likely

958
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 4: to go after than I.

959
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 5: That came from our local decision making agreements back I

960
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 5: think it was twenty eighteen. Now we signed those agreements

961
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 5: and now we're starting to see the implementation of those

962
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 5: agreements roll out, and there's the type of outcomes we're

963
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 5: getting a gredible.

964
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: That is excellent.

965
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is excellent to hear what just very quickly

966
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: because we've got to go to break. But when we

967
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: talk urban public housing, though, you know, we get calls

968
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: quite often from people that live in different suburbs. I

969
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: won't name one in particular, because there's plenty of them

970
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: where there are people that are continuously doing the wrong thing.

971
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: You know, they're not looking after those warnings. They should

972
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: be spoken to need help.

973
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: You would hope that that was the process.

974
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 8: Failing that, boot them out, put in a worthy family

975
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 8: that's going to look.

976
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 9: After the joint.

977
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 6: You've got to be careful about tossing someone out. And

978
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 6: actually they're making them homeless, and but there needs to

979
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 6: be some very strict that they're in. Well, that's true,

980
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 6: and I agree with you keys, but we've got to

981
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 6: do some management. We said we can't a government can't

982
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 6: intentionally make somebody homeless, but they need.

983
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 3: To be very well.

984
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 6: The government needs to be very very strict on how

985
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 6: they manage these people. But the other issue, particularly in

986
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 6: Central Australia, there's like forty or fifty houses sitting in

987
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 6: public houses, sitting their vacant and some of them sitting

988
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 6: there vacant for seven years.

989
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well because it takes so long to get

990
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: them repaired, and you know it shouldn't, but it takes

991
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: that long to get them repair. I know that because,

992
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: as Matt Cunningham will recall, I worked for a housing

993
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: minister in a previous life and.

994
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: Existence call to and.

995
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: Then the government needs a little at their repair and

996
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: maintenance program because clearly it's not working.

997
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: Forty houses on spot on.

998
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: We are going to take a very short break. You

999
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

1000
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up.

1001
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: Duran Young, the member for Daily Labour's member for Daily,

1002
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: thanks so much for your time this morning.

1003
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you for having me, and also to my

1004
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 5: colleagues Bill and Keyser and also Matt Cunningham.

1005
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: It's always good to be in here on a Friday.

1006
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: What and not what a nice easyer you. Thank you

1007
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: alas for your time.

1008
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 2: Member for going to Matt Cunningham, thank you for your

1009
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: time this morning.

1010
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 9: Thanks Katie, and of course it's a pleasure be on weeknd.

1011
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 6: Was so much on in dar on this weekend, so

1012
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to having a weekend up here. And

1013
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 6: hitting a heap of events and getting out and about.

1014
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: So it's going to.

1015
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: Wish you a safe troup home, but you.

1016
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 6: Still don't get home till Monday, and I'm going to

1017
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 6: be out sampling what Darwin has on off.

1018
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: Until the weekend.

1019
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot much on this weekend.

1020
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 6: French past, French Past, salty Saturday nights, Big Gang Fredge

1021
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 6: past Market Saturday.

1022
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: It's all.

1023
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 6: It's all happening, fishing out the world's fiftieth birthday.

1024
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: Oh there you go, it's turning fifty. Good for their Bear.

1025
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 5: Springs Markets Sunday as well.

1026
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: I'll try Sunset drinks. It won't be.

1027
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 9: At a party of durrownds on Saturday night. I worries

1028
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 9: if you missed the very.

1029
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: Home Well, thank you all very much for your time

1030
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: this morning.

1031
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: It has been the week that was