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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Lea, is this the right decision?

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Speaker 3: It's eyewatering. Katie and Labor don't like us talking about crime,

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Speaker 3: but the reality is crime is an economic issue, it's

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Speaker 3: a safety issue, and it is plaguing every facet of

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Speaker 3: our lives. At Royal Darwin Hospital and Parmesan Hospitals alone,

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Speaker 3: government spends more than eight million dollars a year on

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Speaker 3: security guards ten million dollars territory wide, and that's money

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Speaker 3: that could be spent on patient care. We know and

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Speaker 3: revealed yesterday that there were five hundred and eighty six

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Speaker 3: safety incidents reported by nurses, oneenty twenty six incidents reported

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Speaker 3: by staff, seventeen major incidents at territory hospitals. And you know,

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Speaker 3: when when crime is affecting even people out their most vulnerable,

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Speaker 3: when they are sick and unwell, it puts a huge

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Speaker 3: and of course on the budget bottom line. And I

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Speaker 3: think every territory and would rather ten million dollars spent

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Speaker 3: addressing bed block and patient care rather than having to

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Speaker 3: deal with security issues because this government can't get on

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Speaker 3: top of a dressing crime. And look, you.

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Speaker 1: Understand that there's always going to need to be a

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Speaker 1: budget for security to some degree, but ten million dollars

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Speaker 1: is a huge.

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Speaker 2: Amount of money.

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Speaker 1: But then also, as you've said, there five hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty six safety incidents raised by nursing staff, oney twenty

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Speaker 1: six incidents buy into health staff. Seventeen of those classified

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Speaker 1: as major incidents. What exactly classifies as a major incident?

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Speaker 2: Do we know?

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Speaker 3: No? And that's our next question, Katie, because obviously it

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Speaker 3: must be pretty bad if it's categorized that way. But

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Speaker 3: you think about the impact our health professionals. This has.

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Speaker 3: On health professionals, they're trying to save lives, deal with

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Speaker 3: people at terrible times in their life. There's a fifteen

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Speaker 3: percent attrition rate in our health sector. We've had forty

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Speaker 3: six days of code yellows. The pressure is tremendous. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is an entire territory that is suffering from the

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Speaker 3: crime crisis. We've got a health crisis, the police crisis.

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Speaker 3: There is no end in sight to this destruction and disaster,

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Speaker 3: and it all comes back to having a safe community.

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Speaker 3: If we can restore community safety, then we can start

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Speaker 3: to be secure in how we live our lives and

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Speaker 3: have good facilities, spend our money on things that matter

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Speaker 3: instead of continuing to spend money on barricading ourselves into

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Speaker 3: our homes, into our businesses and into our hospitals.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah Finocchi, AIO the opposition leader, always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us on the show

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and take care everyone.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,