Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week. They'reby Well, welcome back
Speaker 1: to everyone, and thank you for returning to TV Reload
Speaker 1: for your second time.
Speaker 2: Oh I have loved, loved, loved being part of it
Speaker 2: the first time. Thank you for having me back a
Speaker 2: second time.
Speaker 1: Well, I was just so happy about this, and I mean,
Speaker 1: we got such good feedback as well, and the common
Speaker 1: note was that it was quite juicy.
Speaker 2: Oh. I mean, we're pretty unfiltered people, so that's good.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that came through.
Speaker 1: I feel like we should have always recorded all of
Speaker 1: our phone chats, like release the Tanks.
Speaker 2: Maybe not, we could end us in some very hot order.
Speaker 1: For everyone who is listening. Each week, I'm joined by
Speaker 1: a rotating guest, which is my friends Alana and Stacey,
Speaker 1: and we'll unpack all of your favorite TV shows, will
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Speaker 2: I'm excited. There's so much to get through.
Speaker 1: Well, this week we're going to talk about Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills, which you and I call a warm up,
Speaker 1: you know, because that'll.
Speaker 2: Get us going definitely it is it gives us life
Speaker 2: blood banda.
Speaker 1: Pump Rules Expats, Griselda, and then we also have Lucinda
Speaker 1: for mered at First Sight, who will be joining us
Speaker 1: to talk about what she thinks of everyday Astralian's coming
Speaker 1: up to her in the street and asking her if
Speaker 1: she is in fact an actress? Are you watching any
Speaker 1: of Meredith first.
Speaker 2: Site public service announcement. I haven't been watching any of
Speaker 2: Maths this season. I didn't really mean too like, I
Speaker 2: hadn't really sort of said I'm not going to watch it.
Speaker 2: I've watched it in the past, but I think things
Speaker 2: have just gotten a little bit away from me. I've
Speaker 2: been following along on the socials, but I haven't been
Speaker 2: an avid viewer, so I'll be keen to hear your take.
Speaker 1: Okay, great. We're also going to finish up with We'll
Speaker 1: finish up on the pod, including a preview of what
Speaker 1: is about to come out. It's a show on Binge,
Speaker 1: which is a new series based on one of Leanne
Speaker 1: Moriarty's books with actress Annette Benning, who I'm obsessed with.
Speaker 1: That one was filmed here in Australia on the Gold Coast,
Speaker 1: have you actually read any of Leanne Moriarty's books, like
Speaker 1: Big Little Eyes.
Speaker 2: I haven't read her books because they are giant, but
Speaker 2: I very much am excited. I've seen the trailer for
Speaker 2: that one, and I'm pumped and also loved Big Little
Speaker 2: Lies and very excited to hear that's coming back for
Speaker 2: a third season as well.
Speaker 1: You kind of strike me as the sort of person
Speaker 1: that at school the night before doing an assessment or
Speaker 1: a test, you just watch the movie.
Speaker 2: Oh literally one hundred percent, or ask someone else who'd
Speaker 2: watched the movie, and then kind of just adapt what
Speaker 2: Moke's smarter, not harder.
Speaker 1: I only know because I was that person exactly. I
Speaker 1: just always say to people that I've read books. I'm like, oh, yes, no,
Speaker 1: I've read that book. I mean, the book's always better
Speaker 1: than the show. And what I mean to say is
Speaker 1: what book.
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was a book. No, you're not
Speaker 2: fooling me. I know you too well.
Speaker 1: We will also touch upon Rupos Drag Race, which has
Speaker 1: its latest global series on Stan Australia. It actually has
Speaker 1: one of our former down Under queens joining that series.
Speaker 1: Plus we're going to talk about Channel seven's latest Juicy
Speaker 1: English true crime series, which ever everyone should watch. Had
Speaker 1: you ever heard or have you ever heard of mis
Speaker 1: Debates versus the Post Office? No, I've left this in
Speaker 1: there without talking to you about this because Ben and
Speaker 1: I had to watch all four episodes in one go
Speaker 1: because it was so good and you and Robbie are
Speaker 1: going to love it, so we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2: Well. I do love a good I love a good
Speaker 2: British show, so very keen here about that one.
Speaker 1: All righty, Let's kick this off with Real Housewives of
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. You know, in the aftermath of last season's
Speaker 1: turbulent ending with the exit of long term housewife Lisa Rinner.
Speaker 1: This season, the women have found themselves attempting to navigate
Speaker 1: I would say is a very fractured friend group. We
Speaker 1: are two weeks away from the first reunion episode, which
Speaker 1: will wrap this series. However, this week we saw Sutton
Speaker 1: talking about being back in the saddle again, Garcelle agreeing
Speaker 1: to give her boys more freedom who cares Anna Marie
Speaker 1: which is what we're referring to her, which it could
Speaker 1: also be, and Marie throwing a blinged out brunch which
Speaker 1: we also don't care about, where she and Crystal finally
Speaker 1: made up, which is great, but probably more juicy in
Speaker 1: the storyline of this week's episode is Kyle and Direct
Speaker 1: questioning their friendship Alana, what is going on? I walked
Speaker 1: away a lot from watching this episode. How did you go?
Speaker 2: To be honest, I mean we spoke about this last time.
Speaker 2: I said, I just really feel like the whole season
Speaker 2: has been a bit lackluster, and they haven't really had
Speaker 2: the strong storylines apart from Kyle and Mauricio and they're split.
Speaker 2: And I think it's become quite evident as well that
Speaker 2: Kyle is saying a lot more in her confessionals that
Speaker 2: we are seeing as viewers than what she's been saying
Speaker 2: to the lady. So, to be honest, that hasn't even
Speaker 2: really been a storyline that has been super strong in
Speaker 2: how it's playing out in terms of the friendship group,
Speaker 2: because I don't think she's really told them as much
Speaker 2: as what we are seeing. So but this episode, I
Speaker 2: actually didn't mind that the last couple, even though they
Speaker 2: are in Spain. I was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 2: so bored. It was the most boring cart trip I
Speaker 2: think I've ever seen. I was like, there was no shopping.
Speaker 2: They weren't really delivering on the look, and I think
Speaker 2: that's what Beverly Hills is, isn't it. I mean, if
Speaker 2: there's not a huge amount happening, we still want to
Speaker 2: see where they're going, where they're eating, what they're driving,
Speaker 2: what they're wearing, the GLAMs and I just don't even
Speaker 2: feel like that's been up to pub But this one,
Speaker 2: I actually thought this episode had a little bit more
Speaker 2: of that. The Diamond champagne brunch. It was a bit cheesy,
Speaker 2: but I feel like they all bought their day drinking
Speaker 2: looks and it wasn't too bad. I actually had a
Speaker 2: little bit of a laugh during this episode. I didn't
Speaker 2: mind it.
Speaker 1: I do say that the fashion porn was back in
Speaker 1: this episode. I couldn't help but notice, though, how much
Speaker 1: dereck of the styling is being done before the girls
Speaker 1: turn up on camera, because there was this beautiful shot
Speaker 1: of all of them and they were color blocked so well,
Speaker 1: like you've got your Erica Jane and your pink and
Speaker 1: I think Garcel was in an orange. You know, everyone
Speaker 1: was color blocked. Do you think that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of conversations that go in before they were even allowed
Speaker 1: to turn up.
Speaker 2: Well, it does with me and my girlfriends. You've seen
Speaker 2: our photos. We're like, what scene wearing today, ladies, and
Speaker 2: we actually enjoy and we all sort of rally around
Speaker 2: the idea of doing a bit of a theme. Sometimes.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't surprise me if they've got the group chat going.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the fashion it's definitely a huge
Speaker 2: part of it. But I mean, like you said, with
Speaker 2: the Crystal and Marie storyline, that was pretty you know,
Speaker 2: neither here nor there, and then that was sort of
Speaker 2: a big focus of the episode. One thing I have
Speaker 2: been interested in this season is Erica having that redemption season,
Speaker 2: watching her and her sort of struggle without Lisa Rinna,
Speaker 2: her friend there as you mentioned, and then very disappointed
Speaker 2: with the other ladies for not kind of rallying around
Speaker 2: her during the last two tumultuous years that she's had
Speaker 2: two plus really and all these lawsuits and wanting the
Speaker 2: apology and not getting it, and her having that moment
Speaker 2: last night, you know, with Sutton sitting on the couch
Speaker 2: and Sutton apologizing. I actually thought that was quite a
Speaker 2: genuine moment. I don't know if we've seen that many
Speaker 2: of them this season. So I kind of enjoyed seeing that.
Speaker 2: How how you read that Erica? Then? Do you think
Speaker 2: she deserves an apology?
Speaker 1: No? I don't. I think you know, and you know
Speaker 1: that I love Erica Jane, like Erica Girardi, whoever she is.
Speaker 1: I love all the facades that she has. But I
Speaker 1: think that Erica needs to get over that apology, because yes,
Speaker 1: the court case was settled, but the result wasn't. Hey,
Speaker 1: the jewelry wasn't one hundred percent bought with the victim's money.
Speaker 1: It was, we cannot prove that it wasn't, and she's
Speaker 1: celebrating it like there's some hard fact and that now
Speaker 1: the women need to apologize. I don't think the women
Speaker 1: are even thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I've sort of read it a little bit differently and
Speaker 2: a bit more holistically. I think there's still going to
Speaker 2: be lots of cards that need to fall from this
Speaker 2: legal proceeding, and it's still ongoing as we know, and
Speaker 2: Tom Girardi has been declared mentally fit to stand trial,
Speaker 2: which I don't think any of us were necessarily expecting
Speaker 2: at that sort of stage. So I think there's still
Speaker 2: more to come there. But I think what she's trying
Speaker 2: to say is I said to you all that this
Speaker 2: would happen. It's going to be a long game. And
Speaker 2: she sat at that dinner party last year and said, oh,
Speaker 2: remember the people that were with me and against me,
Speaker 2: And she's sort of just wanting a little bit of
Speaker 2: vindication that what she said was going to happen, and
Speaker 2: I think she just got very hurt that, yes, there
Speaker 2: were victims, there was a lot of people that you know,
Speaker 2: have to be made whole. I guess in the court
Speaker 2: of Laura's what she said. However, she sort of expected
Speaker 2: more from the ladies on a personal point of view,
Speaker 2: to rally around her and say, you know, the victims
Speaker 2: will get taken care of. There are legal people that
Speaker 2: are on that case, and I'm sure all of them
Speaker 2: will hopefully get taken care of, but we, as your friends,
Speaker 2: want to look after you. And I'm not saying necessarily
Speaker 2: that's one hundred percent right, but I think that's how
Speaker 2: she was expecting it to play out. And when they
Speaker 2: all sort of turned on her and said no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no, And then now it's fast forward and she's
Speaker 2: saying the live is right and she's still not getting it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a little bit difficult to watch, But.
Speaker 1: We have this in our own lives. You know, I
Speaker 1: wonder as we get older and these women are, you know,
Speaker 1: ten plus years older than you and I, But like
Speaker 1: we have a lot going on in our lives, A
Speaker 1: lot of things happen to us personally. I think she
Speaker 1: because she's so focused on this whole storyline in her life,
Speaker 1: which is very hectic, and I can imagine that it
Speaker 1: would be really hard for her. You know, Kle's getting divorced,
Speaker 1: you know, I think is having what we could say
Speaker 1: is sort of a very slow breakdown. There's a lot
Speaker 1: going on with these women, So is she expecting too
Speaker 1: much for them to acknowledge her situation? Because I just
Speaker 1: think sometimes we get lost in what's happening to us personally,
Speaker 1: and that isn't a bad thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think everyone's definitely got the their blinkers
Speaker 2: on when it comes to their own staff obviously first
Speaker 2: and foremost, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Can I just say, personally, I don't need to jump
Speaker 1: in there, because you're so good at that. Like, anytime
Speaker 1: I talk to you, you will always remember things that
Speaker 1: are happening in my life, and you will always ask
Speaker 1: about them and so you are someone by nature who
Speaker 1: remembers what's happening to others, and I have to commend
Speaker 1: you for that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I feel the same about you, and I think
Speaker 2: that's obviously the goal as friends. You know, you want
Speaker 2: to be able to be there for each other. Sometimes
Speaker 2: you do get caught up in your own staff. I
Speaker 2: think that was a nice moment with Sutton apologizing. I
Speaker 2: think that'll let them sort of turn the corner, and
Speaker 2: I think what will play out next is basically this
Speaker 2: cliffhanger episode with Kyler Mauricio and that news breaking publicly
Speaker 2: and them having to address that with their children, and
Speaker 2: obviously flash forward to what he is then going to
Speaker 2: be a three part reunion. I think the questions are
Speaker 2: really going to be coming for Kyle, but I think
Speaker 2: secondary to that will be this Erica redemption apology what
Speaker 2: she wants that will play second at the reunion.
Speaker 1: I think, I think I really want to ask you
Speaker 1: about this at this point, and I've probably jumped a
Speaker 1: little bit ahead of myself, but who do you want
Speaker 1: to stay next year and who do you think should go?
Speaker 1: Because I'm starting to think this season and this selection
Speaker 1: of women isn't working. I really do feel like I
Speaker 1: still can't lose Kyle. We are seeing her talking about
Speaker 1: that in the press of the moment about her renegotiation
Speaker 1: of coming back. I think Kyle needs to stay, and
Speaker 1: I think that's non negotiable, But as far as the
Speaker 1: rest of the women go, I could lose all the
Speaker 1: rest of them.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think we said this last time.
Speaker 2: It is feeling very disjointed. I don't know if the
Speaker 2: friendships are as strong. I think we had Kyle and
Speaker 2: Toreat as best friends. It's very evident that they're not
Speaker 2: best friends this season. I think Eric has felt very
Speaker 2: lost without Lisa Rinna, and she's not necessarily jelling one
Speaker 2: hundred percent with the other ladies. I think everyone talks
Speaker 2: about Suttan and Garsell being this duo on the outside
Speaker 2: and that they're the fan favorites, But sometimes I watched
Speaker 2: them together on screen and I'm like, that don't seem
Speaker 2: that close. I knew we're right. I think it is not. No. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's a bit of a worry, isn't it, Because
Speaker 2: you start to unravel a few of those threads and
Speaker 2: you go, well, how much longevity does this cast have
Speaker 2: as a whole and then where does that go? So
Speaker 2: as we move forward, I mean, they're still getting the
Speaker 2: number one ratings, so I think that's where the challenge is.
Speaker 2: But are people just tuning in for that lifestyle aspect
Speaker 2: that we mentioned perhaps, I.
Speaker 1: Think they're waiting to see what happens with Kyle, and
Speaker 1: I think she's the backbone of this series. And I
Speaker 1: feel like, as we did talk about last time about
Speaker 1: dropping in a lot of this throughout the series to
Speaker 1: pepper it up, teasing is what's going to happen with Mareencio,
Speaker 1: you know, teasing us to get us to the end.
Speaker 1: But I mean the episodes feel shorter. They're only forty
Speaker 1: three minutes, and that's very short to me. I feel
Speaker 1: like with Garcelle and Sutton, with their fan favoritism or
Speaker 1: whatever is going on on social media, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that is landing with me, and I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like if those women come back, the only thing
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in seeing between the two of them
Speaker 1: is some conflict, you know, some real conversations between the
Speaker 1: two of the women. That feels more authentic.
Speaker 2: It is interesting, though, isn't it, because last season and
Speaker 2: the seasons leading up to it so much drama, so
Speaker 2: much has happened. We had Denise Richards with Brandy Glanville,
Speaker 2: that sort of storyline, the cease and deceea Us. We've
Speaker 2: had Erica with all the legal drama. We had the
Speaker 2: Kathi fallout last year at the end there with Kyle.
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of drama and all the fans
Speaker 2: were calm being hard on social media, saying it's too dark,
Speaker 2: it's too toxic, we don't want this, and I think
Speaker 2: the producers have gone, fine, we'll get rid of Lisa
Speaker 2: Rinna or put her on pause, or she's voluntarily going
Speaker 2: to leave or whatever happened there. We're going to take
Speaker 2: it down or not. We're going to give you the
Speaker 2: bare minimum and then we're going to see if you
Speaker 2: like that. And it's almost like, now we've had a
Speaker 2: season of that, will people as you say, then go
Speaker 2: oh well, hang on. We want a little bit more.
Speaker 2: We want a bit more conflict, We want a bit
Speaker 2: more from these ladies. What are they really giving us
Speaker 2: week on week? Has this all been a little bit
Speaker 2: of a play potentially?
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know when sometimes you go to
Speaker 1: those ice cream places and I'm going to take you
Speaker 1: on a journey here and they suggest some wizbang flavor
Speaker 1: like you know, blue cheese and almonds, and you go disgust,
Speaker 1: and then they give you something basic. They take you
Speaker 1: back to basic and give you vanilla. We don't want
Speaker 1: that either, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, we wouldn't wear the goldilocks of the Real
Speaker 2: Housewives franchise. We want them, We want the right amout.
Speaker 1: This is the only way I can describe things as
Speaker 1: telling people about what I'm trying to say through ice cream.
Speaker 1: So we were texting the other day about this, what
Speaker 1: is your theory? Because it has been revealed that Kathy
Speaker 1: will be involved in the finale, in the reunion, we
Speaker 1: are going to see her back. I need to ask
Speaker 1: you what do you want from her? And yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to know. I'll want three questions for you. But
Speaker 1: what do you want from Kathy turning up?
Speaker 2: I don't want anything from Kathy turning up. I was
Speaker 2: shocked to see those photos where she was rocking up.
Speaker 2: I thought she has no right to necessarily be there.
Speaker 2: She hasn't even had one guest appearance on the whole season.
Speaker 2: And I said on this podcast last time, I said,
Speaker 2: I don't think we'll ever see Kathy back on Real
Speaker 2: housewise because I think it showed a bit of her
Speaker 2: true cul and I don't think she liked that. And
Speaker 2: your point was, I don't think she's as clever at
Speaker 2: navigating reality TV is what she thinks, and I agreed
Speaker 2: with you. So I'm very surprised to see her back.
Speaker 2: But again, is this, you know, potentially a hook to
Speaker 2: get us back in next season along with this Kyle drama.
Speaker 2: Now she's going to be leaning on Kathy and Kim.
Speaker 2: We're going to see that sort of family reconciliation because
Speaker 2: they haven't really got a lot else to go on, potentially,
Speaker 2: But I was shocked to see her photos pop up
Speaker 2: on social media one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Well that kind of answers my question about why is
Speaker 1: she there. I think you've probably sort of teased some
Speaker 1: of that, But so that's part of my second question.
Speaker 1: But the third one is what do we not want
Speaker 1: to see from Kathy? And I want to jump in
Speaker 1: at the start of that and say, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be really great if she brings up Lisa Renner in
Speaker 1: any capacity when Lisa's not there to defend herself, and
Speaker 1: that Lisa hasn't been a part of this series like that.
Speaker 1: To me, she brings her up, I'm I'm done with
Speaker 1: Kathy Hilton.
Speaker 2: I would agree with that. I mean I was sort
Speaker 2: of really done with her at the end of last season. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Everyone thought Lisa was horrible, toxic Cuman. I more saw
Speaker 2: it as someone who was really trying to hold Kathy
Speaker 2: to account and she's gotten away with a lot of
Speaker 2: things that she said, a lot of behavior behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: She was trying to bring that to light, you know.
Speaker 2: I think it went a bit further than what we
Speaker 2: all sort of assumed. But I don't think it was
Speaker 2: anything that hasn't been happening behind the scenes with that
Speaker 2: sister dynamic, you know, in years gone by. So I
Speaker 2: would agree with you. I think she will bring up
Speaker 2: Lisa inner, but it might be a bit fleeting and
Speaker 2: then she'll move on.
Speaker 1: I think I'd not just press pause at that point
Speaker 1: on the reunion. I think I'd switch it off. I
Speaker 1: think I'd be so great, but hey, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, a reunion, three part series is our
Speaker 1: super Bowl, so I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: And I will be singing for the halftime entertainment.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, so we need to talk about our next ones,
Speaker 1: which is vander Punt Rules. I mean, after the explosive
Speaker 1: events of season ten, leaving fans on the edge of
Speaker 1: their couches, episode one of season eleven didn't disappoint fans.
Speaker 1: When I read all the comments online, we saw former
Speaker 1: survivors or should I say survivors, returned to Ours Green
Speaker 1: as the cast attempted to follow that scandal that really
Speaker 1: jolted this tight knit brand group. I have to confess
Speaker 1: I've never watched this show, and have you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember that you said that you'd never watched it
Speaker 1: last year and you joined in to catch the scandal
Speaker 1: or I can't remember how to pronounce that storyline. Am
Speaker 1: I too late to join this show? Or are you
Speaker 1: enjoying it? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: No, you're not too late, but you're right. So I
Speaker 2: hadn't watched any of it. I think this is the
Speaker 2: eleventh season that's just dropped. But the last season was
Speaker 2: where it all erupted with this scandal. So Tom Sandoval
Speaker 2: with Ariana Maddix for nine years and then basically had
Speaker 2: a very secret affair. Not even any of the cast
Speaker 2: members or the production knew that it was going on
Speaker 2: with someone else that was in that friend group, Raquel Levis, Well,
Speaker 2: I think she's changed it back to Rachel now, and yeah,
Speaker 2: that was happening and it was explosive. I mean, we
Speaker 2: talk about Beverly Hills not really having enough drama this
Speaker 2: year to keep us hooked. That was just like watching
Speaker 2: a bomb and go off in slow time. And I
Speaker 2: think it's interesting watching these shows as of vier now
Speaker 2: because you're obviously watching it, you know, for the show,
Speaker 2: but you've also seen a lot of these things play
Speaker 2: out in social media, so you know what's to come,
Speaker 2: and that puts a very interesting lens over it all.
Speaker 2: Now we're picking it up season eleven. We're three episodes
Speaker 2: in there, and we're really seeing the fallout and the
Speaker 2: aftermath and how that's fractured. All the relationships and the
Speaker 2: trust issues are very high, and you know, these people
Speaker 2: have been friends fourteen fifteen years, so it's not like
Speaker 2: they've just been cast mates for a short amount of time.
Speaker 2: It's really affected everyone and the relationships in different ways.
Speaker 2: I think if you want the drama and a little
Speaker 2: bit more intensity, then vander Pump Rules is certainly one
Speaker 2: that you can probably pick up. I'd watch it from
Speaker 2: last season so you can see this sort of gander
Speaker 2: old play out. But this season will be an interesting
Speaker 2: one seeing how all those relationships get repaired.
Speaker 1: It does feel more like The Hills to me than
Speaker 1: it does like an extension of the Real Housewives franchise.
Speaker 1: I do really enjoy sort of the rock music interludes
Speaker 1: and all of that kind of stuff that comes with
Speaker 1: what I watched over the first three episodes, I did
Speaker 1: notice that the biggest bombshells seemed to be we saw
Speaker 1: that Lala had been reflecting on how she feels and
Speaker 1: then sent a voice note asking Raquel to talk. What
Speaker 1: do you make of that?
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because again, when you're sort of watching
Speaker 2: this all play out on social media. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: the reports that I read said that she was offered
Speaker 2: to come back, but then she wanted more money and
Speaker 2: so it was her choice to not rejoin the cast.
Speaker 2: She'd also been in a mental health sort of retreat
Speaker 2: for quite a few months because after Scandalval just went global.
Speaker 2: She was really struggling with it, as was Tom. So
Speaker 2: I don't know if it would have been a good
Speaker 2: idea for her to come back in that sort of
Speaker 2: mental state. Anyway, she's sort of turning the corner now
Speaker 2: she's got her own podcasts. It'll be interesting to see
Speaker 2: whether maybe she rejoins next year. But it's definitely noticeable
Speaker 2: in that, you know, the biggest part of the storyline
Speaker 2: and half the sort of party that's made all of
Speaker 2: that erupt isn't there and not there to defend herself
Speaker 2: and not there to sort of engage in those conversations.
Speaker 2: So Tom sander Old definitely taking all the heat from
Speaker 2: the group. Three episodes in, he is still really copying it,
Speaker 2: and Lisa vander Pump really has to step in there
Speaker 2: as a bit of a maternal figure.
Speaker 1: I guess she's really having to up the anti I
Speaker 1: would believe, because anytime that I did try and tune
Speaker 1: into the show, I was like, this is called vander
Speaker 1: Pump rules. Well, we're not seeing a lot of Lisa
Speaker 1: vaner Pump, you know, we're seeing a lot of these
Speaker 1: young people. But what I noticed when I was watching
Speaker 1: these first three episodes is there was a lot of
Speaker 1: heavy lifting from Lisa, you know, having to talk him,
Speaker 1: which I think is fine, and she can do that
Speaker 1: because she is the name of the show, and I
Speaker 1: think she can get away with that. But you know,
Speaker 1: Raquel yesterday in the media was talking about the fact
Speaker 1: that she's now healthier, she's happier, she's happy to be
Speaker 1: not a part of this series. I don't know should
Speaker 1: she return and do we only make that decision once
Speaker 1: we get to the end of the series and see
Speaker 1: whether they need to hook her back.
Speaker 2: Well, I think at the end of the day, I mean,
Speaker 2: we like to think some of these storylines are forced,
Speaker 2: but that really did happen, and that really did go global.
Speaker 2: That was a moment in time. Arianno Maatix is basically
Speaker 2: cashed in on this whole breakup inadvertently. She is playing
Speaker 2: Roxy in Chicago. She got like commercials, she's got covered
Speaker 2: deals for magazines. So it really did blow up. And
Speaker 2: I think Raquel obviously had to go into hiding for
Speaker 2: a little bit. I think only if she is feeling
Speaker 2: up to coming back to that dynamic and that sort
Speaker 2: of public scrutiny, is that a good idea for her
Speaker 2: to come back, And not no one else can answer
Speaker 2: that except for her. But you know, apparently she was
Speaker 2: contemplating it, but the price just wasn't high enough for
Speaker 2: her for her to commit to that.
Speaker 1: The money for these shows isn't a lot, by the way,
Speaker 1: you know, it was actually doing a lot of digging
Speaker 1: on this, and like sixty thousand dollars was what they
Speaker 1: were originally paying in Australian dollars for the Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Melbourne. But then I delved a little bit deeper
Speaker 1: into it. And that's really even with the conversions of
Speaker 1: international rates, very similar to a lot of the other
Speaker 1: franchises around the world. I mean, it's it's not a
Speaker 1: lot of money, and it is a lot to put
Speaker 1: your personal life on display like this on a show
Speaker 1: like that that is absolutely devoured and chewed up and
Speaker 1: processed by the viewers. So I don't know if I
Speaker 1: was her, I'd be sitting back and saying, need to
Speaker 1: pay me a million dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that's where the game has changed
Speaker 2: social media. When these shows first started, it wasn't it
Speaker 2: wasn't such a big deal, and they weren't copying all
Speaker 2: those horrible tweets and the cybertrolling and bullying, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't the intensity to this level. And I think now
Speaker 2: it's sort of like people are expecting to get paid
Speaker 2: probably a bit more because of that, but it's a risk,
Speaker 2: and everyone knows what they're doing and signing up to.
Speaker 2: And if you want to walk, you walk. And if
Speaker 2: you want to prove yourself and try to get more money,
Speaker 2: then I guess that's what you do with any job,
Speaker 2: and you negotiate. But certainly it's a choice. No one's
Speaker 2: got a gun to their heads. I don't know whether
Speaker 2: she'll come back. She might have that year off like
Speaker 2: Lisa Rinna, and then we might see her back.
Speaker 1: Oh, Rena's definitely not coming back. I don't see these
Speaker 1: women returning. I mean, Rena's been very vocal aligning yourself
Speaker 1: with Bethany Frankel and you know, doing that whole sort
Speaker 1: of union for reality people, and it's and has made
Speaker 1: far too many comments. And I think Raquel as well.
Speaker 1: I think once you step out of this, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it would be hard for a person to
Speaker 1: step back in. I want to ask you, just before
Speaker 1: we finish on vander Pump, what do you feel now
Speaker 1: in regards to Lisa vander Pump just watching this show,
Speaker 1: you stepping in and watching it last year and now
Speaker 1: watching it again this year, has it changed the way
Speaker 1: you feel about her.
Speaker 2: Well, you do see her in the very minimal capacity
Speaker 2: in this show. Yes, it's called vander Pump Rules. It's
Speaker 2: all centered around her restaurants and potentially you know, admittedly
Speaker 2: I said I only jumped in on the show last year,
Speaker 2: so maybe in earlier season she had more of a role.
Speaker 2: But really she only pops up for a few minutes
Speaker 2: here and there every episode. She's really giving some maternal advice.
Speaker 2: I mean, these people are going into their forties now,
Speaker 2: so it's not like they're super young, but I guess
Speaker 2: when the show started they were. I know, they're still
Speaker 2: acting like they're in a twenty at the Emo night
Speaker 2: and rocking out at the concerts and the clubs and everything.
Speaker 2: But you see a bit more of a maternal, caring
Speaker 2: natural Lisa, Whereas I think what we saw of her
Speaker 2: on The Real Housewives was very calculated. We just saw
Speaker 2: a different side of her. So I think we're probably
Speaker 2: getting more of who Lisa is at home in this show.
Speaker 1: Expats has dropped on Amazon Prime and everyone has been
Speaker 1: talking about it. It is a look at the personal
Speaker 1: and professional lives of a tight neck group of expats
Speaker 1: that are living in Hong Kong, The Amazon Prime series
Speaker 1: explores both sides of complicated story where Nicole Kipman's character
Speaker 1: loses her child. Expats is an American drama television mini
Speaker 1: series directed by Lulu Wang, which is based on the
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen novel The Expatriots.
Speaker 2: Seeing Us Backs to Our Show where I jump in
Speaker 2: and help you with the big wisks.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think I said that Phil free to jump
Speaker 1: in and talk to me when I get stuck.
Speaker 2: What is it x X Expatriot?
Speaker 1: How are you going with this series? I want to
Speaker 1: know it because you said you're up to date, So
Speaker 1: how are you going watching this one?
Speaker 2: So the first episode I was a bit like, what's
Speaker 2: going on here? Is a bit of a slow boon,
Speaker 2: but it is one of those ones where it sort
Speaker 2: of sets it up. In that first episode, you're sort
Speaker 2: of wondering who's who in the zoo and how they're
Speaker 2: all sort of connected. And then the second episode kicks
Speaker 2: in and it sort of takes you back, and that's
Speaker 2: where you start to really understand the characters, why they're there,
Speaker 2: why they are the way they are. Now, I think
Speaker 2: I'm up to episode four. They're only doing one a week,
Speaker 2: and I am loving it. It's quite heavy content. It's
Speaker 2: not one that you're just going to sort of put
Speaker 2: on in the background or while you're making dinner. You
Speaker 2: really need to sit down and watch it. But I
Speaker 2: think the characters are really rich, There's a lot to
Speaker 2: explore there, and I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if the flow is off a
Speaker 1: little bit for me. I mean, it's hard not to
Speaker 1: compare this to other Kidman's TV series, like Big Little
Speaker 1: Lies in the Undoing and maybe even lesser so Nine
Speaker 1: Perfect Strangers. But those other shows that she had on
Speaker 1: TV were very punchy and they moved a lot faster.
Speaker 1: I don't know, is the flow off for you a
Speaker 1: little bit?
Speaker 2: I watched a Couple in a Row and I think
Speaker 2: once I did that, I was a bit more engross
Speaker 2: in it. I think that's maybe the risks sometimes with
Speaker 2: the shows only dropping one episode a week, is that
Speaker 2: by the time you come back to it, if sort
Speaker 2: of all these other things have happened, you've consumed all
Speaker 2: this other media and you're a bit like, oh, I
Speaker 2: have to get back into this headspace. Where did it finish?
Speaker 2: Where the land? So I think sometimes watching a few
Speaker 2: of those ones particularly when they're a bit slower and
Speaker 2: more detailed. Is a good idea, So I am enjoying it.
Speaker 2: It's a very good performance from Nicole. I mean, all
Speaker 2: the casting, I would say is very good. It's just
Speaker 2: interesting because they've got a lot of solo scenes. They've
Speaker 2: got their own storylines going on, so it's a different
Speaker 2: dynamic to big Little Lives where they're all coming together.
Speaker 2: And I guess Nine Perfect Strangers was the same were
Speaker 2: you're seeing a lot of this sort of ensemble scenes
Speaker 2: all the time. This one sort of isn't like that,
Speaker 2: but a very interesting concept. Probably a bit triggering. I
Speaker 2: don't have children personally, so I can't imagine, but I
Speaker 2: think it would be a bit of a sensitive one
Speaker 2: to watch four people that have lost a child. For sure.
Speaker 1: Is Nicole's Wig two distracting for you? I mean, or
Speaker 1: even noticeably. I don't know if you pick this up,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of there's a noticeable weight loss
Speaker 1: to Nicole Kidman in this. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You might want to jump in on this and correct me.
Speaker 1: Is it wrong to even comment on Nicole's appearance at this?
Speaker 2: Stay?
Speaker 1: Like, am I going to get canceled? For even highlighting
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean in the context of the role. I mean,
Speaker 2: people do things physically all the time when they get rolled,
Speaker 2: they bulk up, they slim down, they do different hairstyles, whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean. It's not like she's looking glam in this role.
Speaker 2: But nor is she supposed to be. She's a grieving mother.
Speaker 2: She is going through the motions of that, all the
Speaker 2: aftermath that comes with that, you know, issues with her husband.
Speaker 2: She's got two other kids that she's trying to pair,
Speaker 2: and she becomes very manic obsessive about looking after them
Speaker 2: because now she's lost a child. There's a lot going
Speaker 2: on there. So in the context of the role, no,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say. I sort of got distracted by that.
Speaker 2: She looks the part to me in terms of the
Speaker 2: role she's portrayed.
Speaker 1: I think for people who might not be watching this
Speaker 1: show as of yet, please just jump forward five minutes
Speaker 1: because we are going to just quickly delve into some
Speaker 1: parts of the series that may be considered spoilers. Because
Speaker 1: we are talking at episode four, which is where you
Speaker 1: and I are up to. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: about where the blame lies for you as a viewer,
Speaker 1: because I find it really interesting the nanny Mercy, who's
Speaker 1: played both g young you. I think that she's made
Speaker 1: a very common human error while looking after that child
Speaker 1: and has answered the phone and only for just a
Speaker 1: few seconds, has taken her eye off this child. How's
Speaker 1: this landing with you? With the amount of blame that
Speaker 1: both of the parents seem to have over you know,
Speaker 1: the abduction of this child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the child gets lost in a busy Hong
Speaker 2: Kong night market. Nicole's character doesn't know this young girl
Speaker 2: that well at this point, but she's almost auditioning her
Speaker 2: to be a nanny, and that's when the child sort
Speaker 2: of gets lost, you know, when this girl takes her
Speaker 2: off Mercy to you know, just go have a look
Speaker 2: at a toy or whatever. I mean, this is where
Speaker 2: I'm saying it could be quite triggering. I can imagine
Speaker 2: parents every day a living with that, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I've got to watch my kid twenty four to seven,
Speaker 2: so nothing bad happens, and it would become so tiring
Speaker 2: and so obsessive, and you're sort of having those moments
Speaker 2: where you're like, I need to just let things go.
Speaker 2: Everything's fine, and this is just an innocuous moment where
Speaker 2: in a split second, the worst of the worst has
Speaker 2: happened and the nightmare starts to play out from there.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting watching it as a viewer, not
Speaker 2: necessarily thinking about the blame, but you're seeing it from
Speaker 2: both sides, and that's where it becomes compelling viewing, because
Speaker 2: you're seeing Nicole's side, how could she have let this happen,
Speaker 2: all the trauma, the family becoming torn apart, And then
Speaker 2: you're seeing Mercy who was literally just someone who got
Speaker 2: called up for a dinner, went for a walk in
Speaker 2: the market, and in two seconds flat, suddenly this child
Speaker 2: is gone under her sort of watch, I guess, but
Speaker 2: nothing intentional on her behalf at all, and then how
Speaker 2: it affects both of their lives moving forward. So I
Speaker 2: think it's definitely a It's a complex story to navigate,
Speaker 2: but I'm quite enjoying that sort of reveal of emotion.
Speaker 1: Do you have a position on whether or not Marguerite
Speaker 1: and Clark should be leaving Hong Kong? I mean, the
Speaker 1: show is about expats, and it's brilliantly told, you know,
Speaker 1: through the lens of what it is like to be
Speaker 1: an expat in Hong Kong. And then also we're starting
Speaker 1: to see the lens of what the people from Hong
Speaker 1: Kong think of expaths. I think all of that is
Speaker 1: where for me, it's quite uicy to look at. But
Speaker 1: do you think that if you'd lost a child whilst overseas,
Speaker 1: not living in your country, that you would find it
Speaker 1: hard to return home? Like would you stay in Hong Kong?
Speaker 2: Of you among Marin, it's very hard. I mean, anyone
Speaker 2: that's lived in a new country, a new location, you
Speaker 2: don't have that same support network around you. It's very
Speaker 2: daunting and I can only imagine what that would be
Speaker 2: like living in such a big city like Hong Kong.
Speaker 2: But you know, we see in this latest episode her
Speaker 2: husband wants to go back, and she says, I'm not
Speaker 2: leaving here without knowing what has happened to my child.
Speaker 2: So you know, that's where they're going to have I
Speaker 2: can imagine a bit more of really going to be
Speaker 2: a hard time for them in sort of navigating that together,
Speaker 2: because they're not on the same page as a couple.
Speaker 2: He wants to return back with their other children and
Speaker 2: give them a bit more normal.
Speaker 1: And the children want to return. Do you know that's
Speaker 1: the other thing.
Speaker 2: We're not going We're not abandoning, you know, our son.
Speaker 2: We don't even know if he's necessarily passed away. We
Speaker 2: don't know what's happened to him. And that's where it's
Speaker 2: sort of landed. So it'd be interesting to see the
Speaker 2: next few episodes. But I think it's not one that
Speaker 2: everyone's going to enjoy, but I am enjoying it.
Speaker 1: Well. The next episode is out over the weekend, so
Speaker 1: we haven't had a chance to see that yet, but
Speaker 1: the episode four Mainland has been out, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's definitely. I think it's different, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's giving people some things that are different to
Speaker 1: look at. It's kind of a little bit less sensationalized
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. I guess there are those points.
Speaker 2: There hasn't been the hype around it like there is
Speaker 2: about other Nicole things. And certainly she's not glamorous like
Speaker 2: she was in The Undoing or Nine Perfect Strangers. You're
Speaker 2: not sort of like, oh Nicole, she doesn't have that
Speaker 2: aura on on screen, but della performance from her, I
Speaker 2: would say, Well.
Speaker 1: Griselda is an American biographical crime drama series. It were
Speaker 1: television's mini series directed by Andre Sbas, produced by Eric
Speaker 1: Newman and Sophia Vigara, the story focuses on as savvy
Speaker 1: and ambitious Colombian business woman Griselda Blanco, who creates one
Speaker 1: of the most profitable cartels in history. You watched episode
Speaker 1: one and you recommended it to me, so I'm running
Speaker 1: to know a little bit more about your take on
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've binge watched this show in a couple of days,
Speaker 2: and I mean it's still trending now, so plenty of
Speaker 2: time to jump on if you haven't yet watched it. Again,
Speaker 2: I didn't know much about this story. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: based on story. Its woman is just a force of nature.
Speaker 2: Sophia Vigara. I've never seen her in a role like that,
Speaker 2: so I think a lot of people, you know, would
Speaker 2: tune in with a bit of interest to be like, huh,
Speaker 2: we've only seen her as the funny, you know, the
Speaker 2: glamorous you know on Modern Family, and now she's playing
Speaker 2: this grishie, you know, leader of a drug cartel, and
Speaker 2: you know, I mean she worked with Pablo Escobar, like
Speaker 2: it it's crazy. I mean, there's a lot of subtitles
Speaker 2: and it is again another one that's a bit of
Speaker 2: a slow burn for the first couple of episodes, but
Speaker 2: then it just explodes. And I think when you start
Speaker 2: to watch it alongside knowing that this really sort of
Speaker 2: did play out this way and the craziness that went
Speaker 2: on at that time and how violent it was, how
Speaker 2: erratic it was, it really makes you know for interesting viewing.
Speaker 1: Is Sophia Vigara worth the incredible amounts of money that
Speaker 1: she gets paid and has been paid over the last
Speaker 1: few years, because this is a very different side of
Speaker 1: her and she does definitely is. She's actually quite mind
Speaker 1: blowing in this role, because you're right, we had only
Speaker 1: seen her in comedic stuff before. But I don't understand
Speaker 1: how someone likes Sophia Vigha or anyone, whether we go
Speaker 1: back to Nicole Kidman, I don't understand, or even Ellen
Speaker 1: Pompari or what her name is from Gray's Anatomy. These
Speaker 1: amounts of money are insane, Like, what do you think
Speaker 1: about Sophia Viagara being the highest paid actress in me
Speaker 1: in television at the moment?
Speaker 2: Oh, I say, hats off, hats off because they've had
Speaker 2: a career that have had the longevity.
Speaker 1: And that's off McLean because you know how many hats
Speaker 1: you would buy if you had that kind of money
Speaker 1: in the bank.
Speaker 2: I love a hat too. By the way that I
Speaker 2: know you do something, I would be adding a few
Speaker 2: more to casts. But I mean, honestly no, because would
Speaker 2: anyone be asking those questions about Chris Hemsworth getting another
Speaker 2: raised another installment of thought. No they will. So you know,
Speaker 2: she was sitting in the makeup chair getting the prosthetics
Speaker 2: and things for hours. There's a lot that goes on
Speaker 2: behind these rolls. They're on location, so I think anyone
Speaker 2: that can be negotiating a higher salary, you know, because
Speaker 2: they've all done the shitty jobs and the jobs where
Speaker 2: they probably weren't getting paid that much, and jobs that
Speaker 2: they didn't want to do. So I'm I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: Sophia Viagara was on the production team for this as well,
Speaker 2: so to have that sort of role within the show
Speaker 2: as well, she needs to be paid accordingly. So every
Speaker 2: dollar that these women get, I say, hats off.
Speaker 1: You know this again is real life true crime mini series,
Speaker 1: which is your jam. I know you love it. We
Speaker 1: honestly can't seem to get enough of these true crime series.
Speaker 1: Is there going to be a point that, even for
Speaker 1: someone like yourself who loves this genre, that it's going
Speaker 1: to become that we're going to be oversaturated.
Speaker 2: Well, I think now that we've got so many streaming
Speaker 2: platforms at our fingertips, and every streaming platform is making
Speaker 2: sort of more of these sort of shows, I think
Speaker 2: we're just getting more of everything across the board. So
Speaker 2: I think ultimately, you know, they're just going to keep
Speaker 2: making them. We'll start tuning into what we want to
Speaker 2: tune into. If anything's falling completely flat, well I guess
Speaker 2: they potentially look at the stats on that and maybe
Speaker 2: it'd just the offering. But I think at the moment,
Speaker 2: people are just consuming so much. Actually interesting that I
Speaker 2: noticed someone said to me the other day and I went, ah,
Speaker 2: I can see that. I think we're hitting that point
Speaker 2: on the streaming platforms where the writer's strike had kicked
Speaker 2: in and there wasn't new material sort of for that
Speaker 2: sort of at least six months, potentially twelve. I think
Speaker 2: we'll start to get new stuff dripped fed a little
Speaker 2: bit slower because a lot of the things that you
Speaker 2: see that are in the trending, you're like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty one, or you know, from twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: or it's not necessarily things that have dropped late twenty
Speaker 2: three or into twenty four, So potentially we will be
Speaker 2: recircling back on some older material. Who knows.
Speaker 1: You keep talking about this a bit throughout this episode,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to know your thoughts on do you
Speaker 1: prefer a full series dump or would you like them
Speaker 1: to be Do you like your series released week by week?
Speaker 2: I like full dump. I said that.
Speaker 1: I realized how gross that's out up.
Speaker 2: I know, I just thought I'll point that out to you. No,
Speaker 2: I do I prefer a full one because I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like the idea that you can just get fully
Speaker 2: engrossed in something and you can watch it all in
Speaker 2: one go. And I think we're all so busy at
Speaker 2: the moment. I think how we consume media has changed,
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, I used to love that
Speaker 2: sort of you know, friend Seinfeld used to know what
Speaker 2: night it was on, and you get very excited for it.
Speaker 2: I just think times have changed a little bit now.
Speaker 2: We don't necessarily have those windows every week that are
Speaker 2: consistent to tune into things.
Speaker 1: Get as well. I just forget I just will be
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, and then you joined it back in on
Speaker 2: the next episode, you sort of forget where it's at.
Speaker 2: So I like, just if I've got a window and
Speaker 2: I'm in the zone and there's, you know, some good
Speaker 2: content to be had, I've got a window to consume it,
Speaker 2: I would rather just be there.
Speaker 1: And you know, before we move away from this, but
Speaker 1: from Griselda, I just was also thinking about this. I
Speaker 1: wonder how well this show is going to do. And
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about the sexism when it comes
Speaker 1: to pay a quality, but I was also wondering about
Speaker 1: this sort of female gangster you know, does that draw
Speaker 1: a crowd the way that a male gangster series. I mean,
Speaker 1: Sophia is fantastic in this and I do have a
Speaker 1: lot of respect for her, but is she stepping into
Speaker 1: sort of a boy genre.
Speaker 2: Well no, I mean, that's really what happened. And Pablo Escobar,
Speaker 2: I think it's a very famous quote. He goes, there
Speaker 2: was only one man I was ever afraid of, and
Speaker 2: it was a woman called Griselda Blanco. And that's the
Speaker 2: true story. So you know, all these women that are
Speaker 2: finding these roles, these stories to bring to light and
Speaker 2: I think in recent times we've seen people even like
Speaker 2: Nicole Kidman and Reese Witherspoon and all these people that
Speaker 2: were saying, you know, they used to not be these
Speaker 2: rich characters on offer for women after the age of
Speaker 2: forty and now with making their own production companies and
Speaker 2: going and finding these stories bringing them to the screen.
Speaker 2: I think the fact that streaming now is accepted, it's
Speaker 2: not this dirty word that it wasn't. You know, you
Speaker 2: don't get in the cinema, So therefore it means I
Speaker 2: think it's bringing all these stories to the broader realm,
Speaker 2: and I think we're all enjoying watching them. So you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think necessarily boy genre, female genre, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call her.
Speaker 1: Without looking like we're being canceled. Like you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get to I don't want people to
Speaker 1: come at me for this because you know, you know
Speaker 1: me well enough to know that this is not who
Speaker 1: I am as a person. But I do question whether
Speaker 1: or not, I mean, what does Robbie think? Does Robbie
Speaker 1: want to watch this kind of a genre with a
Speaker 1: female protagonist at the lead, And actually that's really bad
Speaker 1: because we don't want Robbie to be the vox pop
Speaker 1: and you.
Speaker 2: Know, to answer your question, he loved it.
Speaker 1: He loved it.
Speaker 2: It's a true story. So it's not even like it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's something that she's created. But I
Speaker 2: think we want to see diversity from all these actors.
Speaker 2: You know, if they keep playing the same part over
Speaker 2: and over and over again, then they get sort of
Speaker 2: typecast into only playing one genre and that they don't
Speaker 2: have enough sort of complexity to take on these other roles.
Speaker 2: So I think what she's done with this role is
Speaker 2: actually show us a completely different side of her. We're
Speaker 2: all still talking about it, we're all still watching it
Speaker 2: because it's still trending weeks in. Definitely people are responding
Speaker 2: to the material.
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep watching. I've only seen episode one,
Speaker 1: but I definitely am going to keep watching. I was
Speaker 1: actually it did take me to the very end of
Speaker 1: the episode for me to go, oh, I really want
Speaker 1: to see what happens to this woman. There was kind
Speaker 1: of this catwoman moment, you know, where she was shot.
Speaker 1: I don't know, there was something quite you know, fem
Speaker 1: fatale in that which I was like, oh, I want
Speaker 1: to get more. I want to get more of it.
Speaker 2: Well, what you do get as well is an interesting
Speaker 2: juxtaposition because she's obviously running this huge drug cartel by
Speaker 2: the end of it, and she is the one that
Speaker 2: everyone is fearing, and she is the godmother of cocaine
Speaker 2: in Miami, I think, but she's also a mother herself.
Speaker 2: Do you sort of see the juxtaposition of the softness
Speaker 2: and her trying to protect her own family and that
Speaker 2: sort of real maternal instinct that comes from wanting to
Speaker 2: protect her own tribe, but yet everything that she is
Speaker 2: creating around her, the violence, the chaos. It's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, as we dive into what to watch this week
Speaker 1: on the Box, I need to quick talk about married
Speaker 1: at First Sight, because we're very, very lucky. We're actually
Speaker 1: we have listened to here today to talk to us
Speaker 1: a little bit about some of those questions that people
Speaker 1: have in the media. I did ask you at the start,
Speaker 1: so you're not really watching this series, but have you
Speaker 1: come across Lissend a light at all?
Speaker 2: Well, I've seen little snippets of social media, so it
Speaker 2: wasn't intentional that I hadn't watched maps, but yes, I'm
Speaker 2: only catching up on the little snippets. So you're you're
Speaker 2: definitely in charge of this one.
Speaker 1: Do you think she's an actress? Have you seen her
Speaker 1: at all? Do you think she's an actress? Did that
Speaker 1: come across?
Speaker 2: They almost think everyone's an actor in that story, and
Speaker 2: I think maybe they're not specifically, but I do think
Speaker 2: a lot of them do go on there in the
Speaker 2: hopes of becoming an actor, even if they can put
Speaker 2: their hand on their heart and say no, I'm not one.
Speaker 2: But then if you said would you want to be one?
Speaker 2: I think they would answer yes.
Speaker 1: Well, I caught up with her this week, as I said,
Speaker 1: and here's a part of the conversation for people to enjoy.
Speaker 3: Hi, Ben, your gorgeous creature. I, like a lot.
Speaker 1: Of Australia, am quite obsessed with you. So this is
Speaker 1: a real joy to be able to have this conversation
Speaker 1: and chat with you to oh thanks Ben. How has
Speaker 1: Australia reacted to you being on mouse? Well?
Speaker 3: Look, to be honest, I've been hiding out under a
Speaker 3: rock on the Great Ocean Road and in our family homes.
Speaker 3: I've barely been out of our little community at areas
Speaker 3: in much so. I mean I'm in Sydney today, but
Speaker 3: I really you know, have just been sort of watching
Speaker 3: the circus from a very quiet sanctuary, so feeling very
Speaker 3: grounded and humans by it all, really, and I've also
Speaker 3: just been so blown away by the love and support
Speaker 3: that's come my way. It's been very humbling.
Speaker 1: I want to know, how do you handle people coming
Speaker 1: up to you and people asking you if you're an actor? Oh?
Speaker 1: There has been a bit of that.
Speaker 3: There's been lots of articles coming out saying that I'm
Speaker 3: a faint and an actor and a this and a that.
Speaker 2: And look I'm in there.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit of merit to it because I
Speaker 3: do run cabarets. I'm an MC but I'm kind of
Speaker 3: a bit of the opposite of an actor in that
Speaker 3: I'm the full expression of myself and I absolutely live
Speaker 3: by authenticity, you know, through and through. But yeah, people
Speaker 3: just go hell, what is this?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: When I see you, I just want to be your friend.
Speaker 1: I just you know, when we first sort of present you,
Speaker 1: it can look like you're a bit mad, and then
Speaker 1: you know, you get to know you more and more,
Speaker 1: and I think Australia just keeps falling in love with you.
Speaker 1: The relationship with yourself and Timothy has to be one
Speaker 1: of the most engaging that we've seen or married at
Speaker 1: first Sight. And I've been trying to ask you this
Speaker 1: about the success of the show and your take on it.
Speaker 1: Do you think the successive Meredith First Sight is found
Speaker 1: in the accessibility of some of the issues that we're
Speaker 1: as an audience can relate to.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think, you know, the more relatable and the
Speaker 3: more diversity of people covering issues that we all have
Speaker 3: to face within our humanity and within our relationships. You know,
Speaker 3: the more that that's represented on a show like this,
Speaker 3: the more fruitful it is for everybody, because you know,
Speaker 3: it's that relatability and almost the education of going, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I see that in me, or that's my partner,
Speaker 3: that's what gas lighting is, or that's how you do that,
Speaker 3: or you know, I just think it's a amazing offering
Speaker 3: out there, a show that is Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that's what we all see.
Speaker 1: We all see things that are happening between you two,
Speaker 1: and I guess we can see ourselves in sort of
Speaker 1: parts of that, which I think is quite fascinating to watch.
Speaker 1: I mean, you offer a unique personality to a show
Speaker 1: like this, and I have to say, a really applaud
Speaker 1: Channel nine for continuing to find new stories and extraordinary
Speaker 1: personalities like yourself. Could we see more of you after
Speaker 1: this experiment, regardless as of what happens with Timothy, Well.
Speaker 3: Look, I'm I'm this moment to moment at the moment
Speaker 3: really just sort of enjoying the ride and kicking back,
Speaker 3: and we'll just see what unravels really, you know, at
Speaker 3: the moment, for me, I'm just staying grounded, staying well,
Speaker 3: keeping my heart open, enjoying my relationships and enjoying the show.
Speaker 3: And I'm in no rush for anything. We'll just see
Speaker 3: what happens.
Speaker 1: I want to know, what does it look like? What
Speaker 1: does watching Maths each tonight look like for you? Are
Speaker 1: you there with a crisp white wine? Are you having
Speaker 1: a cup of tea? What helps you get through watching
Speaker 1: this show?
Speaker 2: Tell you what?
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm melting into the couch and in deep humiliation,
Speaker 3: but especially when stage ten Clinger edit came on, I
Speaker 3: was just like, oh my god, the poor bustard, you know,
Speaker 3: chicken wing and a couple of other scenes. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll usually because at the moment, I'm down on the
Speaker 3: Great Ocean Road at my family home and I'm hanging
Speaker 3: out with one of my favorite people in the world,
Speaker 3: which is my mum, and it looks like it's just
Speaker 3: been curled up on the couch sipping tea pretty much
Speaker 3: and having a giggle and her at times having to
Speaker 3: cancel me through going or us both just having the
Speaker 3: biggest cosmic joke laugh at all about snapping our knees
Speaker 3: and you know, just not taking it too seriously.
Speaker 1: I think that's something in that though, isn't there Like
Speaker 1: we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: to tell you that my man boobs felt very seen
Speaker 1: by you on a couple of the moments from the
Speaker 1: other night, and I love to go the man boober quality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, free the nipple absolutely well.
Speaker 1: A lovely to chat with you. I feel like I
Speaker 1: could talk to you forever, your beautiful soul, and I
Speaker 1: think you as someone very different that we haven't seen
Speaker 1: on television before. And I think it's making all of
Speaker 1: us realize that we should embrace who we are and
Speaker 1: be very proud of who we are.
Speaker 3: And I think it takes one to know one Ben,
Speaker 3: So right back at your brother and yeah, I hope
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the chaw.
Speaker 3: That was delightful.
Speaker 1: Hopefully people have enjoyed just Lucinda joining us there and
Speaker 1: explaining her take on people. Assuming she's an actor. I
Speaker 1: need to ask you are you're watching Australian Idol. I
Speaker 1: know you're a huge Idol fan. Back in the day,
Speaker 1: you I think ran across a a Devido fan club.
Speaker 2: I did. I had a T shirt. And then we
Speaker 2: would they put the this is before like mobile phones,
Speaker 2: so they would put the big phone banks up at
Speaker 2: shopping centers, like with like ten phones in a bank,
Speaker 2: like mobile phone banks, and we would encourage people to
Speaker 2: come over to the phones and cast their vote. It
Speaker 2: was very exciting. And then I went to the after
Speaker 2: party and I thought it was the best night of
Speaker 2: my life. It's probably second to my wedding.
Speaker 1: I just love that story so much. I'm so glad
Speaker 1: that we got to include it. I want you to
Speaker 1: Are you watching the series? I don't think you are.
Speaker 2: I'm only watching little clips on social media. I mean
Speaker 2: because then I get to see all the good bit.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the guy Ripley? Have you been able
Speaker 1: to hear he's done too long? So far? He did
Speaker 1: Muma Mia and then he did Harder Glass. Have you
Speaker 1: heard those?
Speaker 2: Yes? And I love when people just do songs that
Speaker 2: are so unexpected like that. That really takes you somewhere different,
Speaker 2: doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Here's a little clip of Ripley for people who
Speaker 1: not watching Idle And the reason why I'm playing this
Speaker 1: clip is just a showcase how good the talent is
Speaker 1: this year. So enjoy so muchmuss gone. I think we
Speaker 1: should talk about what to watch what's on TV this week?
Speaker 1: Stan Australia has been loving themselves sick with Rupaol's drag
Speaker 1: Race franchises, which we have seen being made all over
Speaker 1: the world, including here in Australia. Had a Condac who
Speaker 1: was in series two of down Under is now representing
Speaker 1: us in the UK's version of UK Versus the World
Speaker 1: RuPaul's hosting. Have you ever watched RuPaul's drag Race?
Speaker 2: Oh? Of course, just so much fun that is. That's
Speaker 2: the content that just makes you smile. You can put
Speaker 2: it on anytime everyone's there, just to smile, laugh, Bring
Speaker 2: the looks, honey, and bring a bit of stas.
Speaker 1: That is my dream is to watch episodes of that
Speaker 1: so like next time we are in the same state,
Speaker 1: we are a one hundred percent going to watch a
Speaker 1: RuPaul's Drag Race episode together because that is my dream. Okay,
Speaker 1: ad to kat Well that new series has started episode one.
Speaker 1: He's already out. It was called The Queen's Variety Show.
Speaker 1: New episodes drop every Saturday at ten am in Australia.
Speaker 1: So I hope Anaconda does well. I did enjoy her
Speaker 1: on the Australian series, and it is always nice to
Speaker 1: have Australians representing us in any kind of global competition.
Speaker 2: Absolutely fly that Aussie flag.
Speaker 1: Hot Mister Bates versus the Post Office is out already.
Speaker 1: You can watch that on seven plus Great. It is brilliant,
Speaker 1: a really engaging true story. I mean it is true
Speaker 1: crime to a certain extent, but it's just, I don't know,
Speaker 1: so compelling, and the characters are so accessible and so raw.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd never heard of what had happened to
Speaker 1: these people who are affected by what was like a
Speaker 1: computer glitch that happened at the post offices in the
Speaker 1: UK which saw their bookkeeper a lot of the bookkeepers
Speaker 1: being wrongfully sent to jail. This series says a lot
Speaker 1: about corporate greed and proves that good and evil doesn't
Speaker 1: just belong in the movies. Have I teased you enough
Speaker 1: to want to watch the show?
Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely, And I think this is the brilliance of
Speaker 2: having so many streaming platforms pumping out this content because
Speaker 2: stories like these are getting brought to lot and I
Speaker 2: think we're all here for it. I love the true stories,
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: It's out on seven. It's out on the seven network now,
Speaker 1: so mister Bates versus the post Office. First two episodes
Speaker 1: dropped yesterday and there's two more episodes that are going
Speaker 1: to be coming out on the twenty first of February.
Speaker 1: So that is a huge recommendation. I would very rarely
Speaker 1: say four or five stars to a show, but this
Speaker 1: is four or five star shows. Well, last thing we're
Speaker 1: going to finish off with Alana. You and I have
Speaker 1: talked about this quite a bit. Binge is about to
Speaker 1: drop Apple's Never Fall, which is based on the late
Speaker 1: one of the Leanne Moriarty books, stars Sam Neil and
Speaker 1: At Benning, Allison Brie and White Lotus is Jake Lacy.
Speaker 1: He was in the first series of White Lotus. I
Speaker 1: think he's very sexy. Feel free to google that. While
Speaker 1: I keep talking this intro, what Leanne does well in
Speaker 1: her storytelling is the deconstruction of family dynamics, and this
Speaker 1: show looks very gorgeous. It's filmed in Queensland, although it
Speaker 1: is said in Miami, so Queensland Gold Coast is doubling
Speaker 1: for Miami. So that's actually quite interesting to watch at
Speaker 1: times because you'll obviously see things that we are familiar
Speaker 1: with in the Gold Coast and be like, wow, so
Speaker 1: that's quite amazing. What do you think? Have you got ambitions?
Speaker 1: Have you got hopes that this will be as good
Speaker 1: as a Big Little Lives?
Speaker 2: I definitely have ambitions and hopes that that will be
Speaker 2: as good as Big Little Lives? And do you know what,
Speaker 2: if you have got and Net Benning in the helm,
Speaker 2: you are in with a good shot. What an outstanding actress.
Speaker 2: I'd only just watched Naiad the film that You've been
Speaker 2: again another you know, amazing true.
Speaker 1: Story that I dominated for an Academy I've known.
Speaker 2: About had that film not been made Jodie Foster. Obviously
Speaker 2: they're both nominated for Academy Awards, so I'm really looking
Speaker 2: forward to watching that. I will definitely be watching that one.
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, well, we've managed to smash this and get
Speaker 1: through so much content. Hopefully we've been able to help
Speaker 1: people with what to watch. I am always so appreciative
Speaker 1: of your time, and as I listen to you unpacking shows, television, actors, actresses,
Speaker 1: I just realized how much I love your takes on
Speaker 1: these things, and I'm sure people who are listening do too,
Speaker 1: So thank you.
Speaker 2: Feel free to challenge us or add your takes into
Speaker 2: it as well, because very fluid all these things that
Speaker 2: we're watching, and everyone has different opinions on them, but
Speaker 2: certainly really appreciate your opportunity to share. Well.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy singing some Kyli Minogue songs on
Speaker 1: the way to work this morning is.
Speaker 2: A Friday, definitely, and new Beyonce takes us hold them.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard any of that is a country Beyonce?
Speaker 2: Yes, what is going on?
Speaker 1: Is it good?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Country is having a moment. Maybe we need another podcast,
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