WEBVTT - WHAT TO WATCH with Alana McLean 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.480 TV Reload the podcast last week. They'reby Well, welcome back 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:09.040 to everyone, and thank you for returning to TV Reload 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:10.400 for your second time. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:14.480 Oh I have loved, loved, loved being part of it 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:16.279 the first time. Thank you for having me back a 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:16.919 second time. 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.320 Well, I was just so happy about this, and I mean, 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.680 we got such good feedback as well, and the common 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:23.880 note was that it was quite juicy. 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.400 Oh. I mean, we're pretty unfiltered people, so that's good. 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:28.400 I'm glad that came through. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.319 I feel like we should have always recorded all of 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.320 our phone chats, like release the Tanks. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.240 Maybe not, we could end us in some very hot order. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.040 For everyone who is listening. Each week, I'm joined by 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.479 a rotating guest, which is my friends Alana and Stacey, 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.240 and we'll unpack all of your favorite TV shows, will 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.560 help you pick what to watch, and discuss all the 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.920 latest TV shows right across your free to air and 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:52.400 streaming services. 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.520 I'm excited. There's so much to get through. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:56.960 Well, this week we're going to talk about Real Housewives 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.800 of Beverly Hills, which you and I call a warm up, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:01.000 you know, because that'll. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.840 Get us going definitely it is it gives us life 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:04.720 blood banda. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.920 Pump Rules Expats, Griselda, and then we also have Lucinda 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.240 for mered at First Sight, who will be joining us 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.280 to talk about what she thinks of everyday Astralian's coming 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:15.959 up to her in the street and asking her if 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.720 she is in fact an actress? Are you watching any 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:19.680 of Meredith first. 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.360 Site public service announcement. I haven't been watching any of 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.800 Maths this season. I didn't really mean too like, I 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.920 hadn't really sort of said I'm not going to watch it. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.000 I've watched it in the past, but I think things 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:31.600 have just gotten a little bit away from me. I've 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.880 been following along on the socials, but I haven't been 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.400 an avid viewer, so I'll be keen to hear your take. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.440 Okay, great. We're also going to finish up with We'll 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.800 finish up on the pod, including a preview of what 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.160 is about to come out. It's a show on Binge, 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.080 which is a new series based on one of Leanne 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.840 Moriarty's books with actress Annette Benning, who I'm obsessed with. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.400 That one was filmed here in Australia on the Gold Coast, 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.600 have you actually read any of Leanne Moriarty's books, like 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:57.440 Big Little Eyes. 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.960 I haven't read her books because they are giant, but 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.400 I very much am excited. I've seen the trailer for 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.000 that one, and I'm pumped and also loved Big Little 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.320 Lies and very excited to hear that's coming back for 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:11.440 a third season as well. 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.040 You kind of strike me as the sort of person 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.720 that at school the night before doing an assessment or 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.040 a test, you just watch the movie. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.640 Oh literally one hundred percent, or ask someone else who'd 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.200 watched the movie, and then kind of just adapt what 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.120 Moke's smarter, not harder. 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:33.520 I only know because I was that person exactly. I 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.880 just always say to people that I've read books. I'm like, oh, yes, no, 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.040 I've read that book. I mean, the book's always better 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:40.880 than the show. And what I mean to say is 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:41.680 what book. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.120 I didn't know it was a book. No, you're not 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:45.519 fooling me. I know you too well. 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.200 We will also touch upon Rupos Drag Race, which has 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.359 its latest global series on Stan Australia. It actually has 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.240 one of our former down Under queens joining that series. 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.320 Plus we're going to talk about Channel seven's latest Juicy 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:01.280 English true crime series, which ever everyone should watch. Had 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.799 you ever heard or have you ever heard of mis 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.280 Debates versus the Post Office? No, I've left this in 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.200 there without talking to you about this because Ben and 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.800 I had to watch all four episodes in one go 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.120 because it was so good and you and Robbie are 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:15.440 going to love it, so we'll talk about it. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.639 Well. I do love a good I love a good 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.040 British show, so very keen here about that one. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.120 All righty, Let's kick this off with Real Housewives of 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.880 Beverly Hills. You know, in the aftermath of last season's 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.760 turbulent ending with the exit of long term housewife Lisa Rinner. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.560 This season, the women have found themselves attempting to navigate 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.600 I would say is a very fractured friend group. We 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.960 are two weeks away from the first reunion episode, which 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.560 will wrap this series. However, this week we saw Sutton 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.160 talking about being back in the saddle again, Garcelle agreeing 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.560 to give her boys more freedom who cares Anna Marie 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.240 which is what we're referring to her, which it could 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.880 also be, and Marie throwing a blinged out brunch which 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.520 we also don't care about, where she and Crystal finally 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.720 made up, which is great, but probably more juicy in 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.440 the storyline of this week's episode is Kyle and Direct 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.360 questioning their friendship Alana, what is going on? I walked 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.640 away a lot from watching this episode. How did you go? 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.360 To be honest, I mean we spoke about this last time. 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.600 I said, I just really feel like the whole season 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.920 has been a bit lackluster, and they haven't really had 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:25.279 the strong storylines apart from Kyle and Mauricio and they're split. 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.080 And I think it's become quite evident as well that 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.040 Kyle is saying a lot more in her confessionals that 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.480 we are seeing as viewers than what she's been saying 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.880 to the lady. So, to be honest, that hasn't even 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.760 really been a storyline that has been super strong in 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.200 how it's playing out in terms of the friendship group, 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.160 because I don't think she's really told them as much 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.839 as what we are seeing. So but this episode, I 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.440 actually didn't mind that the last couple, even though they 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.039 are in Spain. I was like, oh my god, I'm 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.800 so bored. It was the most boring cart trip I 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.440 think I've ever seen. I was like, there was no shopping. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.120 They weren't really delivering on the look, and I think 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.640 that's what Beverly Hills is, isn't it. I mean, if 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.760 there's not a huge amount happening, we still want to 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.080 see where they're going, where they're eating, what they're driving, 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.839 what they're wearing, the GLAMs and I just don't even 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.200 feel like that's been up to pub But this one, 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.400 I actually thought this episode had a little bit more 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.680 of that. The Diamond champagne brunch. It was a bit cheesy, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.280 but I feel like they all bought their day drinking 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.320 looks and it wasn't too bad. I actually had a 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.359 little bit of a laugh during this episode. I didn't 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:28.680 mind it. 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.359 I do say that the fashion porn was back in 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.400 this episode. I couldn't help but notice, though, how much 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.440 dereck of the styling is being done before the girls 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.320 turn up on camera, because there was this beautiful shot 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.240 of all of them and they were color blocked so well, 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.920 like you've got your Erica Jane and your pink and 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.520 I think Garcel was in an orange. You know, everyone 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.240 was color blocked. Do you think that there's a lot 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.560 of conversations that go in before they were even allowed 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:53.000 to turn up. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.520 Well, it does with me and my girlfriends. You've seen 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.240 our photos. We're like, what scene wearing today, ladies, and 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.880 we actually enjoy and we all sort of rally around 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.000 the idea of doing a bit of a theme. Sometimes. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.400 I wouldn't surprise me if they've got the group chat going. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.400 But yeah, I think the fashion it's definitely a huge 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.440 part of it. But I mean, like you said, with 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.320 the Crystal and Marie storyline, that was pretty you know, 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.520 neither here nor there, and then that was sort of 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.760 a big focus of the episode. One thing I have 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:24.800 been interested in this season is Erica having that redemption season, 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.080 watching her and her sort of struggle without Lisa Rinna, 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.640 her friend there as you mentioned, and then very disappointed 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.400 with the other ladies for not kind of rallying around 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.120 her during the last two tumultuous years that she's had 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.840 two plus really and all these lawsuits and wanting the 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.640 apology and not getting it, and her having that moment 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.240 last night, you know, with Sutton sitting on the couch 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.120 and Sutton apologizing. I actually thought that was quite a 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.960 genuine moment. I don't know if we've seen that many 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:57.039 of them this season. So I kind of enjoyed seeing that. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.320 How how you read that Erica? Then? Do you think 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:00.760 she deserves an apology? 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.560 No? I don't. I think you know, and you know 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.640 that I love Erica Jane, like Erica Girardi, whoever she is. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.320 I love all the facades that she has. But I 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.600 think that Erica needs to get over that apology, because yes, 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:17.640 the court case was settled, but the result wasn't. Hey, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.679 the jewelry wasn't one hundred percent bought with the victim's money. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.600 It was, we cannot prove that it wasn't, and she's 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.680 celebrating it like there's some hard fact and that now 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.120 the women need to apologize. I don't think the women 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:30.560 are even thinking about it. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.560 I've sort of read it a little bit differently and 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.480 a bit more holistically. I think there's still going to 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.640 be lots of cards that need to fall from this 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.200 legal proceeding, and it's still ongoing as we know, and 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:47.160 Tom Girardi has been declared mentally fit to stand trial, 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.120 which I don't think any of us were necessarily expecting 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.760 at that sort of stage. So I think there's still 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.360 more to come there. But I think what she's trying 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.360 to say is I said to you all that this 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.880 would happen. It's going to be a long game. And 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.840 she sat at that dinner party last year and said, oh, 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.640 remember the people that were with me and against me, 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.160 And she's sort of just wanting a little bit of 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:14.000 vindication that what she said was going to happen, and 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.880 I think she just got very hurt that, yes, there 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.200 were victims, there was a lot of people that you know, 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.440 have to be made whole. I guess in the court 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.640 of Laura's what she said. However, she sort of expected 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.040 more from the ladies on a personal point of view, 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.440 to rally around her and say, you know, the victims 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.960 will get taken care of. There are legal people that 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.000 are on that case, and I'm sure all of them 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.360 will hopefully get taken care of, but we, as your friends, 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.800 want to look after you. And I'm not saying necessarily 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.360 that's one hundred percent right, but I think that's how 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.640 she was expecting it to play out. And when they 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.760 all sort of turned on her and said no, no, no, 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.720 no no, And then now it's fast forward and she's 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.800 saying the live is right and she's still not getting it. 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.120 It's kind of a little bit difficult to watch, But. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.560 We have this in our own lives. You know, I 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.960 wonder as we get older and these women are, you know, 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.800 ten plus years older than you and I, But like 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.000 we have a lot going on in our lives, A 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.360 lot of things happen to us personally. I think she 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.560 because she's so focused on this whole storyline in her life, 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.959 which is very hectic, and I can imagine that it 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.240 would be really hard for her. You know, Kle's getting divorced, 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.400 you know, I think is having what we could say 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.280 is sort of a very slow breakdown. There's a lot 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.559 going on with these women, So is she expecting too 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.400 much for them to acknowledge her situation? Because I just 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.720 think sometimes we get lost in what's happening to us personally, 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:36.920 and that isn't a bad thing. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.000 Yeah, well, I think everyone's definitely got the their blinkers 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.440 on when it comes to their own staff obviously first 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:43.600 and foremost, no doubt. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.000 Can I just say, personally, I don't need to jump 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.440 in there, because you're so good at that. Like, anytime 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.480 I talk to you, you will always remember things that 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.560 are happening in my life, and you will always ask 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.560 about them and so you are someone by nature who 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.880 remembers what's happening to others, and I have to commend 0:09:58.880 --> 0:09:59.200 you for that. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.080 Oh, I feel the same about you, and I think 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.280 that's obviously the goal as friends. You know, you want 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.000 to be able to be there for each other. Sometimes 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.160 you do get caught up in your own staff. I 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.560 think that was a nice moment with Sutton apologizing. I 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.600 think that'll let them sort of turn the corner, and 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.120 I think what will play out next is basically this 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:25.520 cliffhanger episode with Kyler Mauricio and that news breaking publicly 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.920 and them having to address that with their children, and 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.600 obviously flash forward to what he is then going to 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.280 be a three part reunion. I think the questions are 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.760 really going to be coming for Kyle, but I think 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:43.160 secondary to that will be this Erica redemption apology what 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.480 she wants that will play second at the reunion. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.520 I think, I think I really want to ask you 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.839 about this at this point, and I've probably jumped a 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.959 little bit ahead of myself, but who do you want 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.040 to stay next year and who do you think should go? 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.640 Because I'm starting to think this season and this selection 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.160 of women isn't working. I really do feel like I 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.320 still can't lose Kyle. We are seeing her talking about 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.839 that in the press of the moment about her renegotiation 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.400 of coming back. I think Kyle needs to stay, and 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.760 I think that's non negotiable, But as far as the 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.000 rest of the women go, I could lose all the 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.360 rest of them. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.000 I agree with you. I think we said this last time. 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.960 It is feeling very disjointed. I don't know if the 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.559 friendships are as strong. I think we had Kyle and 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.160 Toreat as best friends. It's very evident that they're not 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.000 best friends this season. I think Eric has felt very 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:34.520 lost without Lisa Rinna, and she's not necessarily jelling one 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.040 hundred percent with the other ladies. I think everyone talks 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.760 about Suttan and Garsell being this duo on the outside 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.640 and that they're the fan favorites, But sometimes I watched 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.920 them together on screen and I'm like, that don't seem 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.800 that close. I knew we're right. I think it is not. No. Yeah, 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.640 And it's a bit of a worry, isn't it, Because 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.040 you start to unravel a few of those threads and 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.120 you go, well, how much longevity does this cast have 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.120 as a whole and then where does that go? So 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.760 as we move forward, I mean, they're still getting the 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.679 number one ratings, so I think that's where the challenge is. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.520 But are people just tuning in for that lifestyle aspect 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.120 that we mentioned perhaps, I. 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.160 Think they're waiting to see what happens with Kyle, and 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.360 I think she's the backbone of this series. And I 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.960 feel like, as we did talk about last time about 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.560 dropping in a lot of this throughout the series to 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.479 pepper it up, teasing is what's going to happen with Mareencio, 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.439 you know, teasing us to get us to the end. 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.800 But I mean the episodes feel shorter. They're only forty 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.160 three minutes, and that's very short to me. I feel 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.840 like with Garcelle and Sutton, with their fan favoritism or 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.480 whatever is going on on social media, I don't know 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.240 if that is landing with me, and I kind of 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.120 feel like if those women come back, the only thing 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.440 I'd be interested in seeing between the two of them 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.760 is some conflict, you know, some real conversations between the 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.040 two of the women. That feels more authentic. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.760 It is interesting, though, isn't it, because last season and 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.600 the seasons leading up to it so much drama, so 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.000 much has happened. We had Denise Richards with Brandy Glanville, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.840 that sort of storyline, the cease and deceea Us. We've 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.560 had Erica with all the legal drama. We had the 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.480 Kathi fallout last year at the end there with Kyle. 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.920 There's been a lot of drama and all the fans 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.840 were calm being hard on social media, saying it's too dark, 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.640 it's too toxic, we don't want this, and I think 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.559 the producers have gone, fine, we'll get rid of Lisa 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.120 Rinna or put her on pause, or she's voluntarily going 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.720 to leave or whatever happened there. We're going to take 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.680 it down or not. We're going to give you the 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.760 bare minimum and then we're going to see if you 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.520 like that. And it's almost like, now we've had a 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.719 season of that, will people as you say, then go 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.560 oh well, hang on. We want a little bit more. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.400 We want a bit more conflict, We want a bit 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.720 more from these ladies. What are they really giving us 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.320 week on week? Has this all been a little bit 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:45.880 of a play potentially? 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:47.880 I feel like, you know when sometimes you go to 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.640 those ice cream places and I'm going to take you 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:54.120 on a journey here and they suggest some wizbang flavor 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:59.840 like you know, blue cheese and almonds, and you go disgust, 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.320 and then they give you something basic. They take you 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.559 back to basic and give you vanilla. We don't want 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:06.800 that either, do you know what I mean? 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.280 Like, yeah, we wouldn't wear the goldilocks of the Real 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.959 Housewives franchise. We want them, We want the right amout. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.160 This is the only way I can describe things as 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.520 telling people about what I'm trying to say through ice cream. 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.240 So we were texting the other day about this, what 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.080 is your theory? Because it has been revealed that Kathy 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.760 will be involved in the finale, in the reunion, we 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.720 are going to see her back. I need to ask 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.280 you what do you want from her? And yeah, I 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.200 want to know. I'll want three questions for you. But 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.120 what do you want from Kathy turning up? 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.960 I don't want anything from Kathy turning up. I was 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.080 shocked to see those photos where she was rocking up. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.680 I thought she has no right to necessarily be there. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.320 She hasn't even had one guest appearance on the whole season. 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.040 And I said on this podcast last time, I said, 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.640 I don't think we'll ever see Kathy back on Real 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.520 housewise because I think it showed a bit of her 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.040 true cul and I don't think she liked that. And 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.120 your point was, I don't think she's as clever at 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:10.840 navigating reality TV is what she thinks, and I agreed 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.160 with you. So I'm very surprised to see her back. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:17.080 But again, is this, you know, potentially a hook to 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.280 get us back in next season along with this Kyle drama. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.400 Now she's going to be leaning on Kathy and Kim. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.880 We're going to see that sort of family reconciliation because 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.880 they haven't really got a lot else to go on, potentially, 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.800 But I was shocked to see her photos pop up 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.200 on social media one hundred percent. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.400 Well that kind of answers my question about why is 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.520 she there. I think you've probably sort of teased some 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.720 of that, But so that's part of my second question. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.680 But the third one is what do we not want 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.040 to see from Kathy? And I want to jump in 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.320 at the start of that and say, I'm going to 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.080 be really great if she brings up Lisa Renner in 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.680 any capacity when Lisa's not there to defend herself, and 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.480 that Lisa hasn't been a part of this series like that. 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.600 To me, she brings her up, I'm I'm done with 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:01.320 Kathy Hilton. 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.720 I would agree with that. I mean I was sort 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.520 of really done with her at the end of last season. Anyway. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:11.920 Everyone thought Lisa was horrible, toxic Cuman. I more saw 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.600 it as someone who was really trying to hold Kathy 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.880 to account and she's gotten away with a lot of 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.120 things that she said, a lot of behavior behind the scenes. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.160 She was trying to bring that to light, you know. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:22.840 I think it went a bit further than what we 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.960 all sort of assumed. But I don't think it was 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.520 anything that hasn't been happening behind the scenes with that 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.960 sister dynamic, you know, in years gone by. So I 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.800 would agree with you. I think she will bring up 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.040 Lisa inner, but it might be a bit fleeting and 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:36.800 then she'll move on. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.880 I think I'd not just press pause at that point 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.080 on the reunion. I think I'd switch it off. I 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.880 think I'd be so great, but hey, at the end 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:50.640 of the day, a reunion, three part series is our 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.040 super Bowl, so I'm very excited. 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.640 And I will be singing for the halftime entertainment. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.080 Alrighty, so we need to talk about our next ones, 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.679 which is vander Punt Rules. I mean, after the explosive 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.399 events of season ten, leaving fans on the edge of 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:13.160 their couches, episode one of season eleven didn't disappoint fans. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.959 When I read all the comments online, we saw former 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:20.280 survivors or should I say survivors, returned to Ours Green 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:24.520 as the cast attempted to follow that scandal that really 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.560 jolted this tight knit brand group. I have to confess 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.840 I've never watched this show, and have you. I mean, 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.080 I remember that you said that you'd never watched it 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.880 last year and you joined in to catch the scandal 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.880 or I can't remember how to pronounce that storyline. Am 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:41.520 I too late to join this show? Or are you 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.040 enjoying it? What are your thoughts? 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.679 No, you're not too late, but you're right. So I 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:47.800 hadn't watched any of it. I think this is the 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.960 eleventh season that's just dropped. But the last season was 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.879 where it all erupted with this scandal. So Tom Sandoval 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.679 with Ariana Maddix for nine years and then basically had 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.399 a very secret affair. Not even any of the cast 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.520 members or the production knew that it was going on 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.040 with someone else that was in that friend group, Raquel Levis, Well, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.679 I think she's changed it back to Rachel now, and yeah, 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.600 that was happening and it was explosive. I mean, we 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.640 talk about Beverly Hills not really having enough drama this 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.760 year to keep us hooked. That was just like watching 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.720 a bomb and go off in slow time. And I 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.400 think it's interesting watching these shows as of vier now 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.679 because you're obviously watching it, you know, for the show, 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.320 but you've also seen a lot of these things play 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.320 out in social media, so you know what's to come, 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.920 and that puts a very interesting lens over it all. 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.760 Now we're picking it up season eleven. We're three episodes 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.280 in there, and we're really seeing the fallout and the 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.320 aftermath and how that's fractured. All the relationships and the 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.840 trust issues are very high, and you know, these people 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.600 have been friends fourteen fifteen years, so it's not like 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.240 they've just been cast mates for a short amount of time. 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.720 It's really affected everyone and the relationships in different ways. 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.560 I think if you want the drama and a little 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.680 bit more intensity, then vander Pump Rules is certainly one 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.720 that you can probably pick up. I'd watch it from 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.159 last season so you can see this sort of gander 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.520 old play out. But this season will be an interesting 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.080 one seeing how all those relationships get repaired. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.320 It does feel more like The Hills to me than 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.560 it does like an extension of the Real Housewives franchise. 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.600 I do really enjoy sort of the rock music interludes 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.119 and all of that kind of stuff that comes with 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.840 what I watched over the first three episodes, I did 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.880 notice that the biggest bombshells seemed to be we saw 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.800 that Lala had been reflecting on how she feels and 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.720 then sent a voice note asking Raquel to talk. What 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:39.560 do you make of that? 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.040 Well, it's interesting because again, when you're sort of watching 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.720 this all play out on social media. I'm pretty sure 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.840 the reports that I read said that she was offered 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.399 to come back, but then she wanted more money and 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:55.439 so it was her choice to not rejoin the cast. 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.280 She'd also been in a mental health sort of retreat 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:03.080 for quite a few months because after Scandalval just went global. 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.040 She was really struggling with it, as was Tom. So 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:07.800 I don't know if it would have been a good 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:09.359 idea for her to come back in that sort of 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.479 mental state. Anyway, she's sort of turning the corner now 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.080 she's got her own podcasts. It'll be interesting to see 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:20.040 whether maybe she rejoins next year. But it's definitely noticeable 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.960 in that, you know, the biggest part of the storyline 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.960 and half the sort of party that's made all of 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:29.000 that erupt isn't there and not there to defend herself 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.200 and not there to sort of engage in those conversations. 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.600 So Tom sander Old definitely taking all the heat from 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.080 the group. Three episodes in, he is still really copying it, 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.239 and Lisa vander Pump really has to step in there 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:42.960 as a bit of a maternal figure. 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.200 I guess she's really having to up the anti I 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.480 would believe, because anytime that I did try and tune 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:50.360 into the show, I was like, this is called vander 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:51.920 Pump rules. Well, we're not seeing a lot of Lisa 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.399 vaner Pump, you know, we're seeing a lot of these 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.480 young people. But what I noticed when I was watching 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.320 these first three episodes is there was a lot of 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.320 heavy lifting from Lisa, you know, having to talk him, 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.359 which I think is fine, and she can do that 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:05.119 because she is the name of the show, and I 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:06.399 think she can get away with that. But you know, 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.800 Raquel yesterday in the media was talking about the fact 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.399 that she's now healthier, she's happier, she's happy to be 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:14.760 not a part of this series. I don't know should 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.960 she return and do we only make that decision once 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:19.480 we get to the end of the series and see 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.080 whether they need to hook her back. 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.399 Well, I think at the end of the day, I mean, 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.280 we like to think some of these storylines are forced, 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:30.520 but that really did happen, and that really did go global. 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:33.960 That was a moment in time. Arianno Maatix is basically 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:38.200 cashed in on this whole breakup inadvertently. She is playing 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:42.959 Roxy in Chicago. She got like commercials, she's got covered 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:47.879 deals for magazines. So it really did blow up. And 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.000 I think Raquel obviously had to go into hiding for 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.800 a little bit. I think only if she is feeling 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.280 up to coming back to that dynamic and that sort 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.320 of public scrutiny, is that a good idea for her 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:00.879 to come back, And not no one else can answer 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:05.200 that except for her. But you know, apparently she was 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.080 contemplating it, but the price just wasn't high enough for 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:09.920 her for her to commit to that. 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.280 The money for these shows isn't a lot, by the way, 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.280 you know, it was actually doing a lot of digging 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:17.439 on this, and like sixty thousand dollars was what they 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.679 were originally paying in Australian dollars for the Real Housewives 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:22.840 of Melbourne. But then I delved a little bit deeper 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.560 into it. And that's really even with the conversions of 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.400 international rates, very similar to a lot of the other 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.960 franchises around the world. I mean, it's it's not a 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:32.920 lot of money, and it is a lot to put 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.520 your personal life on display like this on a show 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.760 like that that is absolutely devoured and chewed up and 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.480 processed by the viewers. So I don't know if I 0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:43.920 was her, I'd be sitting back and saying, need to 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:45.080 pay me a million dollars. 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:48.400 Yeah. Well, I think that's where the game has changed 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:52.080 social media. When these shows first started, it wasn't it 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.639 wasn't such a big deal, and they weren't copying all 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:58.200 those horrible tweets and the cybertrolling and bullying, and it 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:01.760 wasn't the intensity to this level. And I think now 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.200 it's sort of like people are expecting to get paid 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:07.600 probably a bit more because of that, but it's a risk, 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.240 and everyone knows what they're doing and signing up to. 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.679 And if you want to walk, you walk. And if 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:14.840 you want to prove yourself and try to get more money, 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.040 then I guess that's what you do with any job, 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:20.480 and you negotiate. But certainly it's a choice. No one's 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:22.640 got a gun to their heads. I don't know whether 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.000 she'll come back. She might have that year off like 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:27.040 Lisa Rinna, and then we might see her back. 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:29.639 Oh, Rena's definitely not coming back. I don't see these 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.040 women returning. I mean, Rena's been very vocal aligning yourself 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.760 with Bethany Frankel and you know, doing that whole sort 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.920 of union for reality people, and it's and has made 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.200 far too many comments. And I think Raquel as well. 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:43.879 I think once you step out of this, you know, 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:45.680 I think it would be hard for a person to 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:47.760 step back in. I want to ask you, just before 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:50.120 we finish on vander Pump, what do you feel now 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.200 in regards to Lisa vander Pump just watching this show, 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.439 you stepping in and watching it last year and now 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:57.439 watching it again this year, has it changed the way 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:58.560 you feel about her. 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:01.960 Well, you do see her in the very minimal capacity 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:04.440 in this show. Yes, it's called vander Pump Rules. It's 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:08.400 all centered around her restaurants and potentially you know, admittedly 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:10.800 I said I only jumped in on the show last year, 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.360 so maybe in earlier season she had more of a role. 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.639 But really she only pops up for a few minutes 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:19.800 here and there every episode. She's really giving some maternal advice. 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:22.080 I mean, these people are going into their forties now, 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.160 so it's not like they're super young, but I guess 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.640 when the show started they were. I know, they're still 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.880 acting like they're in a twenty at the Emo night 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.679 and rocking out at the concerts and the clubs and everything. 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:35.240 But you see a bit more of a maternal, caring 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.919 natural Lisa, Whereas I think what we saw of her 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.360 on The Real Housewives was very calculated. We just saw 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.200 a different side of her. So I think we're probably 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:46.720 getting more of who Lisa is at home in this show. 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:50.280 Expats has dropped on Amazon Prime and everyone has been 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:52.240 talking about it. It is a look at the personal 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:55.719 and professional lives of a tight neck group of expats 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.679 that are living in Hong Kong, The Amazon Prime series 0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:02.400 explores both sides of complicated story where Nicole Kipman's character 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:06.320 loses her child. Expats is an American drama television mini 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.159 series directed by Lulu Wang, which is based on the 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:15.240 twenty sixteen novel The Expatriots. 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.119 Seeing Us Backs to Our Show where I jump in 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:18.280 and help you with the big wisks. 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:23.440 Absolutely, I think I said that Phil free to jump 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:25.480 in and talk to me when I get stuck. 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:27.800 What is it x X Expatriot? 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:32.159 How are you going with this series? I want to 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:33.720 know it because you said you're up to date, So 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:35.040 how are you going watching this one? 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:38.600 So the first episode I was a bit like, what's 0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:40.520 going on here? Is a bit of a slow boon, 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:42.400 but it is one of those ones where it sort 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:45.440 of sets it up. In that first episode, you're sort 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.320 of wondering who's who in the zoo and how they're 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:51.800 all sort of connected. And then the second episode kicks 0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.000 in and it sort of takes you back, and that's 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.880 where you start to really understand the characters, why they're there, 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:00.439 why they are the way they are. Now, I think 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.080 I'm up to episode four. They're only doing one a week, 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:06.640 and I am loving it. It's quite heavy content. It's 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.360 not one that you're just going to sort of put 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:10.480 on in the background or while you're making dinner. You 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.000 really need to sit down and watch it. But I 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:16.280 think the characters are really rich, There's a lot to 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:18.560 explore there, and I'm really enjoying it. 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:20.800 I just don't know if the flow is off a 0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:22.399 little bit for me. I mean, it's hard not to 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:26.240 compare this to other Kidman's TV series, like Big Little 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.880 Lies in the Undoing and maybe even lesser so Nine 0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:32.040 Perfect Strangers. But those other shows that she had on 0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:34.879 TV were very punchy and they moved a lot faster. 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:36.879 I don't know, is the flow off for you a 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:37.320 little bit? 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:39.600 I watched a Couple in a Row and I think 0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.400 once I did that, I was a bit more engross 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.280 in it. I think that's maybe the risks sometimes with 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.520 the shows only dropping one episode a week, is that 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.840 by the time you come back to it, if sort 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.000 of all these other things have happened, you've consumed all 0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:55.040 this other media and you're a bit like, oh, I 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.560 have to get back into this headspace. Where did it finish? 0:26:57.640 --> 0:26:59.880 Where the land? So I think sometimes watching a few 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.480 of those ones particularly when they're a bit slower and 0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:06.320 more detailed. Is a good idea, So I am enjoying it. 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.359 It's a very good performance from Nicole. I mean, all 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:12.240 the casting, I would say is very good. It's just 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:16.120 interesting because they've got a lot of solo scenes. They've 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.760 got their own storylines going on, so it's a different 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:22.439 dynamic to big Little Lives where they're all coming together. 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.560 And I guess Nine Perfect Strangers was the same were 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.200 you're seeing a lot of this sort of ensemble scenes 0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:30.840 all the time. This one sort of isn't like that, 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:35.320 but a very interesting concept. Probably a bit triggering. I 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:38.960 don't have children personally, so I can't imagine, but I 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:40.719 think it would be a bit of a sensitive one 0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:43.160 to watch four people that have lost a child. For sure. 0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.200 Is Nicole's Wig two distracting for you? I mean, or 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.520 even noticeably. I don't know if you pick this up, 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:50.960 but there's a lot of there's a noticeable weight loss 0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.399 to Nicole Kidman in this. I mean, I don't know. 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.440 You might want to jump in on this and correct me. 0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:59.720 Is it wrong to even comment on Nicole's appearance at this? 0:27:59.760 --> 0:27:59.960 Stay? 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.920 Like, am I going to get canceled? For even highlighting 0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:03.359 this stuff. 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.959 Well, I mean in the context of the role. I mean, 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.920 people do things physically all the time when they get rolled, 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.359 they bulk up, they slim down, they do different hairstyles, whatever. 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:16.960 I mean. It's not like she's looking glam in this role. 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.520 But nor is she supposed to be. She's a grieving mother. 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.359 She is going through the motions of that, all the 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:27.320 aftermath that comes with that, you know, issues with her husband. 0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:29.880 She's got two other kids that she's trying to pair, 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:33.160 and she becomes very manic obsessive about looking after them 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:35.840 because now she's lost a child. There's a lot going 0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:38.440 on there. So in the context of the role, no, 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:41.320 I wouldn't say. I sort of got distracted by that. 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.960 She looks the part to me in terms of the 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:44.960 role she's portrayed. 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:46.960 I think for people who might not be watching this 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:50.120 show as of yet, please just jump forward five minutes 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:52.240 because we are going to just quickly delve into some 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.400 parts of the series that may be considered spoilers. Because 0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.000 we are talking at episode four, which is where you 0:28:58.120 --> 0:28:59.920 and I are up to. I wanted to ask you 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.920 about where the blame lies for you as a viewer, 0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.760 because I find it really interesting the nanny Mercy, who's 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:10.400 played both g young you. I think that she's made 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.000 a very common human error while looking after that child 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.880 and has answered the phone and only for just a 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:20.080 few seconds, has taken her eye off this child. How's 0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.440 this landing with you? With the amount of blame that 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.320 both of the parents seem to have over you know, 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:26.600 the abduction of this child. 0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.440 Yeah, so the child gets lost in a busy Hong 0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:34.360 Kong night market. Nicole's character doesn't know this young girl 0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:37.040 that well at this point, but she's almost auditioning her 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.400 to be a nanny, and that's when the child sort 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.440 of gets lost, you know, when this girl takes her 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:44.760 off Mercy to you know, just go have a look 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:46.880 at a toy or whatever. I mean, this is where 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.680 I'm saying it could be quite triggering. I can imagine 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:53.080 parents every day a living with that, Oh my god, 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.320 I've got to watch my kid twenty four to seven, 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.920 so nothing bad happens, and it would become so tiring 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.720 and so obsessive, and you're sort of having those moments 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:03.680 where you're like, I need to just let things go. 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.480 Everything's fine, and this is just an innocuous moment where 0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.080 in a split second, the worst of the worst has 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.920 happened and the nightmare starts to play out from there. 0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.640 I think it's interesting watching it as a viewer, not 0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.880 necessarily thinking about the blame, but you're seeing it from 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:22.680 both sides, and that's where it becomes compelling viewing, because 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.560 you're seeing Nicole's side, how could she have let this happen, 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:29.520 all the trauma, the family becoming torn apart, And then 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:33.960 you're seeing Mercy who was literally just someone who got 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:35.800 called up for a dinner, went for a walk in 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.880 the market, and in two seconds flat, suddenly this child 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:42.040 is gone under her sort of watch, I guess, but 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.400 nothing intentional on her behalf at all, and then how 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:47.920 it affects both of their lives moving forward. So I 0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:52.000 think it's definitely a It's a complex story to navigate, 0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:56.120 but I'm quite enjoying that sort of reveal of emotion. 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.760 Do you have a position on whether or not Marguerite 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:00.880 and Clark should be leaving Hong Kong? I mean, the 0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.560 show is about expats, and it's brilliantly told, you know, 0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.120 through the lens of what it is like to be 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.080 an expat in Hong Kong. And then also we're starting 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.959 to see the lens of what the people from Hong 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:14.720 Kong think of expaths. I think all of that is 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.000 where for me, it's quite uicy to look at. But 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.320 do you think that if you'd lost a child whilst overseas, 0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:22.480 not living in your country, that you would find it 0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.640 hard to return home? Like would you stay in Hong Kong? 0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.120 Of you among Marin, it's very hard. I mean, anyone 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:31.800 that's lived in a new country, a new location, you 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:35.400 don't have that same support network around you. It's very 0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:37.720 daunting and I can only imagine what that would be 0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:40.360 like living in such a big city like Hong Kong. 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.560 But you know, we see in this latest episode her 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.960 husband wants to go back, and she says, I'm not 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:51.200 leaving here without knowing what has happened to my child. 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.160 So you know, that's where they're going to have I 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:57.720 can imagine a bit more of really going to be 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:01.120 a hard time for them in sort of navigating that together, 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:03.080 because they're not on the same page as a couple. 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.440 He wants to return back with their other children and 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:06.960 give them a bit more normal. 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:08.800 And the children want to return. Do you know that's 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:09.239 the other thing. 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.520 We're not going We're not abandoning, you know, our son. 0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:17.120 We don't even know if he's necessarily passed away. We 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.680 don't know what's happened to him. And that's where it's 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.280 sort of landed. So it'd be interesting to see the 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.280 next few episodes. But I think it's not one that 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.560 everyone's going to enjoy, but I am enjoying it. 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.320 Well. The next episode is out over the weekend, so 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:32.360 we haven't had a chance to see that yet, but 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.960 the episode four Mainland has been out, and yeah, I 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:38.800 think it's definitely. I think it's different, you know, I 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.440 think it's giving people some things that are different to 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.560 look at. It's kind of a little bit less sensationalized 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:46.480 or something. I don't know. I guess there are those points. 0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:48.520 There hasn't been the hype around it like there is 0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:53.200 about other Nicole things. And certainly she's not glamorous like 0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:56.680 she was in The Undoing or Nine Perfect Strangers. You're 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.200 not sort of like, oh Nicole, she doesn't have that 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:02.480 aura on on screen, but della performance from her, I 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:03.720 would say, Well. 0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:07.479 Griselda is an American biographical crime drama series. It were 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:11.200 television's mini series directed by Andre Sbas, produced by Eric 0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:15.080 Newman and Sophia Vigara, the story focuses on as savvy 0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:19.960 and ambitious Colombian business woman Griselda Blanco, who creates one 0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:24.000 of the most profitable cartels in history. You watched episode 0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:26.920 one and you recommended it to me, so I'm running 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:28.440 to know a little bit more about your take on 0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:28.840 this show. 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:32.280 Yes, I've binge watched this show in a couple of days, 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.080 and I mean it's still trending now, so plenty of 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:37.600 time to jump on if you haven't yet watched it. Again, 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:39.920 I didn't know much about this story. I mean, it's 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:45.160 based on story. Its woman is just a force of nature. 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.800 Sophia Vigara. I've never seen her in a role like that, 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.040 so I think a lot of people, you know, would 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.240 tune in with a bit of interest to be like, huh, 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.680 we've only seen her as the funny, you know, the 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.720 glamorous you know on Modern Family, and now she's playing 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:03.760 this grishie, you know, leader of a drug cartel, and 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.120 you know, I mean she worked with Pablo Escobar, like 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:10.400 it it's crazy. I mean, there's a lot of subtitles 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.520 and it is again another one that's a bit of 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:15.080 a slow burn for the first couple of episodes, but 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:18.160 then it just explodes. And I think when you start 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.520 to watch it alongside knowing that this really sort of 0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:26.200 did play out this way and the craziness that went 0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:29.600 on at that time and how violent it was, how 0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:34.520 erratic it was, it really makes you know for interesting viewing. 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:38.520 Is Sophia Vigara worth the incredible amounts of money that 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.279 she gets paid and has been paid over the last 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.960 few years, because this is a very different side of 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.960 her and she does definitely is. She's actually quite mind 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.399 blowing in this role, because you're right, we had only 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:52.160 seen her in comedic stuff before. But I don't understand 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.759 how someone likes Sophia Vigha or anyone, whether we go 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:58.879 back to Nicole Kidman, I don't understand, or even Ellen 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.680 Pompari or what her name is from Gray's Anatomy. These 0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.480 amounts of money are insane, Like, what do you think 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.880 about Sophia Viagara being the highest paid actress in me 0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:08.919 in television at the moment? 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:12.160 Oh, I say, hats off, hats off because they've had 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:16.360 a career that have had the longevity. 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.640 And that's off McLean because you know how many hats 0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.000 you would buy if you had that kind of money 0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:21.480 in the bank. 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:23.279 I love a hat too. By the way that I 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:25.000 know you do something, I would be adding a few 0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:27.640 more to casts. But I mean, honestly no, because would 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:31.680 anyone be asking those questions about Chris Hemsworth getting another 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:36.440 raised another installment of thought. No they will. So you know, 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:39.440 she was sitting in the makeup chair getting the prosthetics 0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:42.080 and things for hours. There's a lot that goes on 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.680 behind these rolls. They're on location, so I think anyone 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:49.760 that can be negotiating a higher salary, you know, because 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.399 they've all done the shitty jobs and the jobs where 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.200 they probably weren't getting paid that much, and jobs that 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.040 they didn't want to do. So I'm I'm pretty sure 0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:00.560 Sophia Viagara was on the production team for this as well, 0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:03.520 so to have that sort of role within the show 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:06.479 as well, she needs to be paid accordingly. So every 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.160 dollar that these women get, I say, hats off. 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.960 You know this again is real life true crime mini series, 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.320 which is your jam. I know you love it. We 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.560 honestly can't seem to get enough of these true crime series. 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:20.480 Is there going to be a point that, even for 0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:24.120 someone like yourself who loves this genre, that it's going 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:26.279 to become that we're going to be oversaturated. 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.280 Well, I think now that we've got so many streaming 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:33.319 platforms at our fingertips, and every streaming platform is making 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:36.239 sort of more of these sort of shows, I think 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.759 we're just getting more of everything across the board. So 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.839 I think ultimately, you know, they're just going to keep 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:43.759 making them. We'll start tuning into what we want to 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.359 tune into. If anything's falling completely flat, well I guess 0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.279 they potentially look at the stats on that and maybe 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.520 it'd just the offering. But I think at the moment, 0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:55.120 people are just consuming so much. Actually interesting that I 0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.640 noticed someone said to me the other day and I went, ah, 0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:00.719 I can see that. I think we're hitting that point 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:04.280 on the streaming platforms where the writer's strike had kicked 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:07.560 in and there wasn't new material sort of for that 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:11.160 sort of at least six months, potentially twelve. I think 0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:13.560 we'll start to get new stuff dripped fed a little 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:15.640 bit slower because a lot of the things that you 0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:18.160 see that are in the trending, you're like, oh, it's 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.120 from twenty twenty one, or you know, from twenty twenty two, 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.600 or it's not necessarily things that have dropped late twenty 0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:28.160 three or into twenty four, So potentially we will be 0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:30.839 recircling back on some older material. Who knows. 0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.520 You keep talking about this a bit throughout this episode, 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:35.640 and I wanted to know your thoughts on do you 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:39.560 prefer a full series dump or would you like them 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:42.000 to be Do you like your series released week by week? 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:46.920 I like full dump. I said that. 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:48.560 I realized how gross that's out up. 0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:52.160 I know, I just thought I'll point that out to you. No, 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:56.719 I do I prefer a full one because I think, yeah, 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.520 I like the idea that you can just get fully 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:03.080 engrossed in something and you can watch it all in 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.719 one go. And I think we're all so busy at 0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:09.400 the moment. I think how we consume media has changed, 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.040 and I think, you know, I used to love that 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:15.239 sort of you know, friend Seinfeld used to know what 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:17.400 night it was on, and you get very excited for it. 0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:19.759 I just think times have changed a little bit now. 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:23.239 We don't necessarily have those windows every week that are 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.480 consistent to tune into things. 0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:28.040 Get as well. I just forget I just will be 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:28.360 like that. 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:31.759 I mean, and then you joined it back in on 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.160 the next episode, you sort of forget where it's at. 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.600 So I like, just if I've got a window and 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.279 I'm in the zone and there's, you know, some good 0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:41.200 content to be had, I've got a window to consume it, 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:42.560 I would rather just be there. 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:44.360 And you know, before we move away from this, but 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:47.239 from Griselda, I just was also thinking about this. I 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.160 wonder how well this show is going to do. And 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.799 we kind of talked about the sexism when it comes 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.280 to pay a quality, but I was also wondering about 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.560 this sort of female gangster you know, does that draw 0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:00.560 a crowd the way that a male gangster series. I mean, 0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.520 Sophia is fantastic in this and I do have a 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:06.200 lot of respect for her, but is she stepping into 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:07.280 sort of a boy genre. 0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:11.160 Well no, I mean, that's really what happened. And Pablo Escobar, 0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.839 I think it's a very famous quote. He goes, there 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:16.279 was only one man I was ever afraid of, and 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:19.520 it was a woman called Griselda Blanco. And that's the 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:22.920 true story. So you know, all these women that are 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:27.120 finding these roles, these stories to bring to light and 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:30.080 I think in recent times we've seen people even like 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:32.719 Nicole Kidman and Reese Witherspoon and all these people that 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.200 were saying, you know, they used to not be these 0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.840 rich characters on offer for women after the age of 0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:42.440 forty and now with making their own production companies and 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.080 going and finding these stories bringing them to the screen. 0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:49.000 I think the fact that streaming now is accepted, it's 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.400 not this dirty word that it wasn't. You know, you 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:53.520 don't get in the cinema, So therefore it means I 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.839 think it's bringing all these stories to the broader realm, 0:39:56.920 --> 0:40:00.520 and I think we're all enjoying watching them. So you know, 0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:04.759 I don't think necessarily boy genre, female genre, whatever you 0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:05.520 want to call her. 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.719 Without looking like we're being canceled. Like you know, I 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:08.920 don't want to get to I don't want people to 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:11.520 come at me for this because you know, you know 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:14.160 me well enough to know that this is not who 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.839 I am as a person. But I do question whether 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.720 or not, I mean, what does Robbie think? Does Robbie 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.400 want to watch this kind of a genre with a 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:25.560 female protagonist at the lead, And actually that's really bad 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.359 because we don't want Robbie to be the vox pop 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:27.920 and you. 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:31.920 Know, to answer your question, he loved it. 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:32.880 He loved it. 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:36.400 It's a true story. So it's not even like it's 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:40.080 you know, it's it's something that she's created. But I 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:43.720 think we want to see diversity from all these actors. 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:45.799 You know, if they keep playing the same part over 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:47.680 and over and over again, then they get sort of 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:51.600 typecast into only playing one genre and that they don't 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:54.479 have enough sort of complexity to take on these other roles. 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:56.960 So I think what she's done with this role is 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:59.200 actually show us a completely different side of her. We're 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:01.680 all still talking about it, we're all still watching it 0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:05.759 because it's still trending weeks in. Definitely people are responding 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:06.520 to the material. 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:08.680 I'm going to keep watching. I've only seen episode one, 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:10.320 but I definitely am going to keep watching. I was 0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.440 actually it did take me to the very end of 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:14.719 the episode for me to go, oh, I really want 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:17.160 to see what happens to this woman. There was kind 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:19.520 of this catwoman moment, you know, where she was shot. 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.520 I don't know, there was something quite you know, fem 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:24.839 fatale in that which I was like, oh, I want 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:26.160 to get more. I want to get more of it. 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:28.400 Well, what you do get as well is an interesting 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:32.920 juxtaposition because she's obviously running this huge drug cartel by 0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:34.800 the end of it, and she is the one that 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.320 everyone is fearing, and she is the godmother of cocaine 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.000 in Miami, I think, but she's also a mother herself. 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:43.880 Do you sort of see the juxtaposition of the softness 0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.719 and her trying to protect her own family and that 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:49.520 sort of real maternal instinct that comes from wanting to 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:52.640 protect her own tribe, but yet everything that she is 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.120 creating around her, the violence, the chaos. It's very interesting. 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:58.680 Well, as we dive into what to watch this week 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.800 on the Box, I need to quick talk about married 0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.640 at First Sight, because we're very, very lucky. We're actually 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:06.880 we have listened to here today to talk to us 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:08.640 a little bit about some of those questions that people 0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:10.680 have in the media. I did ask you at the start, 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:12.440 so you're not really watching this series, but have you 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:14.279 come across Lissend a light at all? 0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:17.719 Well, I've seen little snippets of social media, so it 0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:21.000 wasn't intentional that I hadn't watched maps, but yes, I'm 0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:23.359 only catching up on the little snippets. So you're you're 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:24.640 definitely in charge of this one. 0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:26.319 Do you think she's an actress? Have you seen her 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.200 at all? Do you think she's an actress? Did that 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:28.640 come across? 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:32.400 They almost think everyone's an actor in that story, and 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:35.480 I think maybe they're not specifically, but I do think 0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:37.000 a lot of them do go on there in the 0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:39.279 hopes of becoming an actor, even if they can put 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:40.960 their hand on their heart and say no, I'm not one. 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:42.920 But then if you said would you want to be one? 0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:44.560 I think they would answer yes. 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:46.919 Well, I caught up with her this week, as I said, 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.560 and here's a part of the conversation for people to enjoy. 0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:54.200 Hi, Ben, your gorgeous creature. I, like a lot. 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:57.320 Of Australia, am quite obsessed with you. So this is 0:42:57.440 --> 0:42:59.240 a real joy to be able to have this conversation 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:02.160 and chat with you to oh thanks Ben. How has 0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.120 Australia reacted to you being on mouse? Well? 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.520 Look, to be honest, I've been hiding out under a 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.360 rock on the Great Ocean Road and in our family homes. 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:14.080 I've barely been out of our little community at areas 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:16.560 in much so. I mean I'm in Sydney today, but 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:19.720 I really you know, have just been sort of watching 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:23.080 the circus from a very quiet sanctuary, so feeling very 0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:26.640 grounded and humans by it all, really, and I've also 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.400 just been so blown away by the love and support 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:31.880 that's come my way. It's been very humbling. 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.160 I want to know, how do you handle people coming 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:37.000 up to you and people asking you if you're an actor? Oh? 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:38.120 There has been a bit of that. 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:41.239 There's been lots of articles coming out saying that I'm 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.120 a faint and an actor and a this and a that. 0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:44.000 And look I'm in there. 0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:45.880 It's a little bit of merit to it because I 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:49.400 do run cabarets. I'm an MC but I'm kind of 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:51.279 a bit of the opposite of an actor in that 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:54.879 I'm the full expression of myself and I absolutely live 0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:59.479 by authenticity, you know, through and through. But yeah, people 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:01.800 just go hell, what is this? 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:03.160 No? 0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:05.040 When I see you, I just want to be your friend. 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:07.279 I just you know, when we first sort of present you, 0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:08.960 it can look like you're a bit mad, and then 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:10.560 you know, you get to know you more and more, 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:12.920 and I think Australia just keeps falling in love with you. 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.319 The relationship with yourself and Timothy has to be one 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.680 of the most engaging that we've seen or married at 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:20.640 first Sight. And I've been trying to ask you this 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.239 about the success of the show and your take on it. 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:27.120 Do you think the successive Meredith First Sight is found 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.560 in the accessibility of some of the issues that we're 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.440 as an audience can relate to. 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.800 Oh, I think, you know, the more relatable and the 0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:38.520 more diversity of people covering issues that we all have 0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:42.759 to face within our humanity and within our relationships. You know, 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.320 the more that that's represented on a show like this, 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.640 the more fruitful it is for everybody, because you know, 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:52.759 it's that relatability and almost the education of going, oh 0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:55.200 my god, I see that in me, or that's my partner, 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:58.239 that's what gas lighting is, or that's how you do that, 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:01.240 or you know, I just think it's a amazing offering 0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:04.000 out there, a show that is Yeah. 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:05.879 Yeah, I mean, I think that's what we all see. 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.080 We all see things that are happening between you two, 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:10.120 and I guess we can see ourselves in sort of 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:13.120 parts of that, which I think is quite fascinating to watch. 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:16.319 I mean, you offer a unique personality to a show 0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:18.440 like this, and I have to say, a really applaud 0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:22.120 Channel nine for continuing to find new stories and extraordinary 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:25.359 personalities like yourself. Could we see more of you after 0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:28.799 this experiment, regardless as of what happens with Timothy, Well. 0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:31.520 Look, I'm I'm this moment to moment at the moment 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:35.160 really just sort of enjoying the ride and kicking back, 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.640 and we'll just see what unravels really, you know, at 0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:43.040 the moment, for me, I'm just staying grounded, staying well, 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:46.959 keeping my heart open, enjoying my relationships and enjoying the show. 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.359 And I'm in no rush for anything. We'll just see 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:50.000 what happens. 0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:51.920 I want to know, what does it look like? What 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.440 does watching Maths each tonight look like for you? Are 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:56.399 you there with a crisp white wine? Are you having 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:58.760 a cup of tea? What helps you get through watching 0:45:58.840 --> 0:45:59.200 this show? 0:45:59.480 --> 0:45:59.800 Tell you what? 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.120 Sometimes I'm melting into the couch and in deep humiliation, 0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:07.880 but especially when stage ten Clinger edit came on, I 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:11.160 was just like, oh my god, the poor bustard, you know, 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:13.680 chicken wing and a couple of other scenes. But yeah, 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.279 I'll usually because at the moment, I'm down on the 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:20.000 Great Ocean Road at my family home and I'm hanging 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:21.839 out with one of my favorite people in the world, 0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.200 which is my mum, and it looks like it's just 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.279 been curled up on the couch sipping tea pretty much 0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:30.000 and having a giggle and her at times having to 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:34.320 cancel me through going or us both just having the 0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:38.040 biggest cosmic joke laugh at all about snapping our knees 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:41.560 and you know, just not taking it too seriously. 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:43.400 I think that's something in that though, isn't there Like 0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:45.640 we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously. I mean, I have 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.160 to tell you that my man boobs felt very seen 0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:50.800 by you on a couple of the moments from the 0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:54.440 other night, and I love to go the man boober quality. 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:58.719 Yeah, free the nipple absolutely well. 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.520 A lovely to chat with you. I feel like I 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.279 could talk to you forever, your beautiful soul, and I 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:06.799 think you as someone very different that we haven't seen 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:09.120 on television before. And I think it's making all of 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:11.600 us realize that we should embrace who we are and 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.040 be very proud of who we are. 0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:15.520 And I think it takes one to know one Ben, 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.359 So right back at your brother and yeah, I hope 0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:18.560 you know. 0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:19.640 Thank you for the chaw. 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:20.600 That was delightful. 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:24.200 Hopefully people have enjoyed just Lucinda joining us there and 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:27.239 explaining her take on people. Assuming she's an actor. I 0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:29.360 need to ask you are you're watching Australian Idol. I 0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:31.399 know you're a huge Idol fan. Back in the day, 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:33.839 you I think ran across a a Devido fan club. 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:38.480 I did. I had a T shirt. And then we 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:41.840 would they put the this is before like mobile phones, 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:44.160 so they would put the big phone banks up at 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.919 shopping centers, like with like ten phones in a bank, 0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:50.120 like mobile phone banks, and we would encourage people to 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:52.800 come over to the phones and cast their vote. It 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:54.960 was very exciting. And then I went to the after 0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:56.800 party and I thought it was the best night of 0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:58.560 my life. It's probably second to my wedding. 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:02.399 I just love that story so much. I'm so glad 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.200 that we got to include it. I want you to 0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:06.400 Are you watching the series? I don't think you are. 0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:10.160 I'm only watching little clips on social media. I mean 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:12.279 because then I get to see all the good bit. 0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:14.439 Have you seen the guy Ripley? Have you been able 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:16.640 to hear he's done too long? So far? He did 0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:19.040 Muma Mia and then he did Harder Glass. Have you 0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:19.520 heard those? 0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:23.320 Yes? And I love when people just do songs that 0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.800 are so unexpected like that. That really takes you somewhere different, 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:27.160 doesn't it. 0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:29.759 Absolutely. Here's a little clip of Ripley for people who 0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:31.640 not watching Idle And the reason why I'm playing this 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.360 clip is just a showcase how good the talent is 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:42.360 this year. So enjoy so muchmuss gone. I think we 0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:44.640 should talk about what to watch what's on TV this week? 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:48.040 Stan Australia has been loving themselves sick with Rupaol's drag 0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:51.200 Race franchises, which we have seen being made all over 0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.680 the world, including here in Australia. Had a Condac who 0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:57.440 was in series two of down Under is now representing 0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:00.439 us in the UK's version of UK Versus the World 0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.839 RuPaul's hosting. Have you ever watched RuPaul's drag Race? 0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:07.719 Oh? Of course, just so much fun that is. That's 0:49:07.760 --> 0:49:09.960 the content that just makes you smile. You can put 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:14.239 it on anytime everyone's there, just to smile, laugh, Bring 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:16.640 the looks, honey, and bring a bit of stas. 0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:18.960 That is my dream is to watch episodes of that 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.040 so like next time we are in the same state, 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:23.000 we are a one hundred percent going to watch a 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:26.160 RuPaul's Drag Race episode together because that is my dream. Okay, 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:29.640 ad to kat Well that new series has started episode one. 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.120 He's already out. It was called The Queen's Variety Show. 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:35.280 New episodes drop every Saturday at ten am in Australia. 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:38.680 So I hope Anaconda does well. I did enjoy her 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.200 on the Australian series, and it is always nice to 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:44.280 have Australians representing us in any kind of global competition. 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:46.760 Absolutely fly that Aussie flag. 0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:50.400 Hot Mister Bates versus the Post Office is out already. 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:53.720 You can watch that on seven plus Great. It is brilliant, 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.480 a really engaging true story. I mean it is true 0:49:57.560 --> 0:49:59.840 crime to a certain extent, but it's just, I don't know, 0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:03.960 so compelling, and the characters are so accessible and so raw. 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:06.440 You know, I'd never heard of what had happened to 0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:08.800 these people who are affected by what was like a 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:11.759 computer glitch that happened at the post offices in the 0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:15.080 UK which saw their bookkeeper a lot of the bookkeepers 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:18.160 being wrongfully sent to jail. This series says a lot 0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:21.800 about corporate greed and proves that good and evil doesn't 0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:24.319 just belong in the movies. Have I teased you enough 0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:25.479 to want to watch the show? 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:29.120 Yes? Absolutely, And I think this is the brilliance of 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:33.000 having so many streaming platforms pumping out this content because 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:36.239 stories like these are getting brought to lot and I 0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:39.840 think we're all here for it. I love the true stories, 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:40.360 I really do. 0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:40.839 Well. 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:43.239 It's out on seven. It's out on the seven network now, 0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:46.120 so mister Bates versus the post Office. First two episodes 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:49.319 dropped yesterday and there's two more episodes that are going 0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:51.040 to be coming out on the twenty first of February. 0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:54.080 So that is a huge recommendation. I would very rarely 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:57.360 say four or five stars to a show, but this 0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:00.400 is four or five star shows. Well, last thing we're 0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:02.080 going to finish off with Alana. You and I have 0:51:02.160 --> 0:51:04.360 talked about this quite a bit. Binge is about to 0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:07.839 drop Apple's Never Fall, which is based on the late 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:11.040 one of the Leanne Moriarty books, stars Sam Neil and 0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:14.480 At Benning, Allison Brie and White Lotus is Jake Lacy. 0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:16.759 He was in the first series of White Lotus. I 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:18.960 think he's very sexy. Feel free to google that. While 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:21.960 I keep talking this intro, what Leanne does well in 0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:26.000 her storytelling is the deconstruction of family dynamics, and this 0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:29.640 show looks very gorgeous. It's filmed in Queensland, although it 0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:33.400 is said in Miami, so Queensland Gold Coast is doubling 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.200 for Miami. So that's actually quite interesting to watch at 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:39.040 times because you'll obviously see things that we are familiar 0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:41.279 with in the Gold Coast and be like, wow, so 0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:44.360 that's quite amazing. What do you think? Have you got ambitions? 0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:45.920 Have you got hopes that this will be as good 0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:47.160 as a Big Little Lives? 0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.160 I definitely have ambitions and hopes that that will be 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:51.719 as good as Big Little Lives? And do you know what, 0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:54.800 if you have got and Net Benning in the helm, 0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:58.640 you are in with a good shot. What an outstanding actress. 0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:02.000 I'd only just watched Naiad the film that You've been 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:04.480 again another you know, amazing true. 0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:06.560 Story that I dominated for an Academy I've known. 0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:09.240 About had that film not been made Jodie Foster. Obviously 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:14.280 they're both nominated for Academy Awards, so I'm really looking 0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:17.160 forward to watching that. I will definitely be watching that one. 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.319 Okay, sure, well, we've managed to smash this and get 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:22.680 through so much content. Hopefully we've been able to help 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:25.680 people with what to watch. I am always so appreciative 0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:31.880 of your time, and as I listen to you unpacking shows, television, actors, actresses, 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:34.320 I just realized how much I love your takes on 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:37.440 these things, and I'm sure people who are listening do too, 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:38.239 So thank you. 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:41.759 Feel free to challenge us or add your takes into 0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:44.360 it as well, because very fluid all these things that 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:46.759 we're watching, and everyone has different opinions on them, but 0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:49.799 certainly really appreciate your opportunity to share. 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