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Speaker 2: Last week we have moved a motion basically describing what

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Speaker 1: Daniel, it is a massive call for Tourism body to

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, how do you feel when you hear that

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Speaker 4: It's absolutely appalling.

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Speaker 5: It is unacceptable that that can take place in one

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Speaker 5: We've put a number of short term actions but we

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Speaker 5: In terms of the first part of your question around legislation,

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Speaker 1: All Right, we are going to have to move along

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Speaker 5: So Katie, we're not the CLP. We're not going to

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Speaker 4: So it is a challenge, but we're working through it,

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Speaker 4: So it's not straightforward to solve.

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Speaker 1: But presently, have you annoyed that your predecessors kind of

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Speaker 1: Petrol prices. We know the fuel excise it is set

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Speaker 1: So how seriously are you taking the oppositions legislation that

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Speaker 1: they're going to be presenting. As I understand it, next

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Speaker 1: time Parliament sits Katie.

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Speaker 5: That legislation, we will be briefed on and I think

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Speaker 5: that's been arranged with one of the ministers, so we'll

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Speaker 5: certainly look at the legislation and what it intends to do.

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Speaker 5: But I've written to the six field retailers that are

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Speaker 5: A Triple C. I have received response from some of

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Speaker 5: the retailers. I have also received a response from the

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Speaker 5: A Triple CE. Minister Lawla is meeting with the A

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Speaker 5: Triple C. I think that's today and they've assured me

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Speaker 5: that they're monitoring what's happening in the territory.

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Speaker 1: What of those retailers are they full of excuses?

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Speaker 5: Do you think that for your listeners to understand here

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Speaker 5: in the territory, we have a number of retailers and

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Speaker 5: they have small volumes that they sell of fuel as

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Speaker 5: opposed to some high volume places. There's a couple of

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Speaker 5: retailers that don't have any retail So it's simply the fuel,

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Speaker 5: and that's why you often see those with slightly cheaper fuel.

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Speaker 4: They don't have the other you.

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Speaker 5: Know, the kitchens and the food and service station supplies

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Speaker 5: that they sell. They do have thin margins, is my understanding.

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Speaker 5: But Katie, this is an area that the A Triple

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Speaker 5: Ce have assured us that particularly in the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 5: they are watching.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to catch up with Northern Territory Consumer

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Speaker 1: Affairs Commissioner Sandy Otto in just a couple of minutes

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Speaker 1: before I let you go, though, I know that you

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Speaker 1: are heading off to National Cabinet.

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Speaker 5: So heading off to that meeting today, yes, Katie, So

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Speaker 5: heading to National Cabinet with the premiers from the States

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Speaker 5: and also the Chief Minister of the Act and the

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Speaker 5: Prime Minister. There's a number of issues that are on

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Speaker 5: the agenda, including workforce and that's something that here in

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Speaker 5: the Territory is incredibly important, but also isolation requirements with COVID,

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Speaker 5: So there's a number of briefings that will be provided

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Speaker 5: with and it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: How am I going to be scrap.

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Speaker 5: It, Katie, I'll certainly let you know, but it's incredibly

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Speaker 5: important that I am at these meetings because we don't

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Speaker 5: just want an East Coast centric discussion. We need to

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Speaker 5: make sure that regional and Remote Australia is at the

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Speaker 5: table very quick one.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go. Regarding the OPTAs start breach,

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Speaker 1: is the government doing anything to support victims? Yes, Katie,

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government officials have obviously been in contact

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Speaker 1: with the Australian government that there's anything that needs to

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Speaker 1: be done. But I understand that the Minister for Transport

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Speaker 1: will announce later today if you want to get a

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Speaker 1: replacement driver's license, yes, that we won't charge you for that.

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Speaker 1: More information to you, Katie, because I know your listener's

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Speaker 1: precautionary step. I know it's a bit of a hustle

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Speaker 1: to go into MVR to get that license, but it

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Speaker 1: could be very worthwhile. Well, that is good news because

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Speaker 1: I know that it's something that they announced in Queensland

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Speaker 1: and I think that the reality of it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: if your info has been stolen from you, then surely

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Speaker 1: you should be able to get your license for free.

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Speaker 1: So I think that that's a good move.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll get those details to you, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister Natasha Files. We better leave it there, thank you.

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Speaker 4: As always, take care