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Speaker 1: This is jam nation. We land. Well, lots of people

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Speaker 1: are talking about a lure magazine, not a lure, not

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Speaker 1: fishing lures. The magazine's called a lure. And I interviewed

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston and she revealed some very interesting information. She

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Speaker 1: said that in her thirties and forties she went through

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Speaker 1: some really hard stuff. When the journalist said, what was that,

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Speaker 1: she said, well, you know what. I was trying to

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Speaker 1: get pregnant. She said. It was a challenging road for me,

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Speaker 1: the baby making road. She said, all the years and

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Speaker 1: years of speculation, It was really hard. I was going

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Speaker 1: through IVF, I was drinking Chinese tea, all of that,

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Speaker 1: she said, throwing everything at it. I would have given

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Speaker 1: anything if someone had said to me, freezer eggs, do

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Speaker 1: yourself a favor, but you just don't do it. So

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Speaker 1: here I am today, and that ship has sailed. And

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Speaker 1: what was hard for her, as she says, is remember

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Speaker 1: all that speculation that her marriage has ended because she

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Speaker 1: was putting her career first, that she was cold somehow

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Speaker 1: and was not choosing motherhood. She had to put up

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Speaker 1: with all of that while she was seeking ways of

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Speaker 1: becoming a mother, and all that baby bump stuff. Is

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Speaker 1: she pregnant or isn't she. IVF changes your body as you.

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Speaker 2: Because the stomach would have swelled up because of all

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Speaker 2: the hormone.

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Speaker 1: That's right, And she said adding to the personal pain

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Speaker 1: of what she went through was the narrative that I

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Speaker 1: was selfish. I just cared about my career, and God

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Speaker 1: forbid a woman is successful and doesn't have a child.

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Speaker 1: The reason my husband left me, why we broke up

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Speaker 1: and ended our marriage, was I couldn't give him a kid.

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Speaker 1: It was absolute lies. And she said, you know, she

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Speaker 1: didn't say anything at the time, but she says, I

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Speaker 1: now have nothing to hide the whole world's scrutiny on you,

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Speaker 1: and in my very small, minuscule way compared to that,

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Speaker 1: I know what it's like to do IVF and not

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Speaker 1: want anyone to know. I would. I was working at

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Speaker 1: Triple M during many of those years as on IVF.

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Speaker 1: For years, I'd have a general anesthetic in the afternoon,

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Speaker 1: come back to work the next day and no one

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Speaker 1: would know. I remember that time. We've even joked about this,

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Speaker 1: that I was doing an interview with Penthouse Magazine and

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Speaker 1: I did it only because I thought it'd be funny

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Speaker 1: to say I'd been in penthouse. I that month had

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Speaker 1: had something called superovulation, where all the hormones caused this

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Speaker 1: ovulation to happen, and you can't One thing I found

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Speaker 1: so hard is the timing. You're not in control of

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Speaker 1: the timing. On day eighteen, this happens, and this happens.

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Speaker 1: But something happened with superovulation, which is not a position

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Speaker 1: you want to be in. And so they came around

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Speaker 1: to take a photo of me, and I couldn't even

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Speaker 1: do up my shirt around my stomach. I was so

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Speaker 1: distended and just felt dreadful, and I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I just didn't cancel, but I was so intent on

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Speaker 1: business as usual, nothing to see here, that I kept going.

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Speaker 1: And one of the questions was when do you feel sexy?

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Speaker 1: And I thought, I have never felt less sexy in

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Speaker 1: my life. So I do the interview and then I

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Speaker 1: got to the hospital that afternoon. It's imagine, Jean, you would.

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Speaker 2: Have got the same grief that Jennifer Aniston would have got.

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Speaker 2: People that are you're putting your career first.

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Speaker 1: I hated that so much. I remember once. I remember

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Speaker 1: when I announced on air, fine I got to say

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Speaker 1: those magic words having a baby. And I got an

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Speaker 1: email from a listener, very lots of lovely emails, and

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Speaker 1: one guy said I was running when you'd be enough

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Speaker 1: to take the leap? And I thought, you have no

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Speaker 1: idea what I've gone through to take this leap.

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Speaker 2: But I'd like to think that people because I would

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Speaker 2: have been one of those years ago that would have said,

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Speaker 2: you know, when are you're having a baby? But you'd

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Speaker 2: hope that people don't say that now to a woman, well,

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Speaker 2: you'd like to think you don't say anything.

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Speaker 1: No, And if you're with a friend and they're not

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Speaker 1: having a dream, are you pregnant? Particularly those early months

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Speaker 1: where you're not saying anything because you're not supposed to

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Speaker 1: for twelve weeks, but you don't want to blab do

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Speaker 1: You don't want to tell people it's it's so fraught,

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Speaker 1: it is, But to go through all that, with all

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Speaker 1: that judgment must have been so hard. And now she's

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Speaker 1: speaking out about it because as she says, I've got

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Speaker 1: nothing to lose. She's fifty three now, got nothing to lose,

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Speaker 1: And how hard it must have been, as she says,

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Speaker 1: that boat has sailed, but the scrutiny of it and

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Speaker 1: then Brad Pitt gets She hasn't said which parts of

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Speaker 1: her relationship she was doing it. She may have been

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Speaker 1: doing this as a single person, she hasn't said. But

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Speaker 1: then Brad Pitt gets together with Angelina Joli. It's instantly

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Speaker 1: pregnant to kids a kimbo. Yeah, it's it's that stick.

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Speaker 1: That pregnancy stick is just loaded. So many years of

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Speaker 1: your life you think, please don't let me be pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Then all those years of please let me be pregnant,

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Speaker 1: and then also you come out the other side of, oh,

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Speaker 1: please don't let me be pregnant. It's it's so loaded

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Speaker 1: and so emotional, and I hope what we can take

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Speaker 1: from this is be kind to people you never know,

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Speaker 1: keep your pie hole shut. And she's congratulations to Jennifer

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Speaker 1: for I hope she feels she's got this off at chest.

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Speaker 1: And the people that went hard on her for the decisions,

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Speaker 1: the decisions they thought she'd made, feel ashamed when they

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Speaker 1: read

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Speaker 2: That, Ye, so a woman drinking side of water, she

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Speaker 2: might be just doing drive your light and who cares