1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers. Now. 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: I know we do some really really really serious parenting 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: stuff on this podcast, and we're going to do that today, Kylie. 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 2: But my favorite episode every month. I know, I make 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 2: a big deal about how I love the Doctor's Desk 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: and we get to go into the science. But you know, 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: my real favorite one, I can't believe I'm admitting this. 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: My favorite one is the one we're doing today. It's 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: this Week in Parenting. 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 3: You just got because you get to put on your 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: radio voice. 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: I didn't even do the real radio voice. Can I 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: do that? When I was back in radio back in 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: the day, there was this guy called Holger Brockman who 16 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: did all the triple M voiceovers. And this is what 17 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: it would sound like if it was Holger Brockman. It 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: would sound like this this Week in Parenting. No, no, no, 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: it would be deeper. It would be deeper. It would 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 2: be this Week in Parenting. I can't do it. I'm 21 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: not holg of Brockman. But day, thank you for making 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: that sound however it sounded. I'm sure that it's anyway, 23 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: this is my favorite and The reason is because we 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: kind of get to go a bit trashy. And I'm 25 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: not even into trashy. I'm not into goss, I'm not 26 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: into all the magazines and the like celebrity thing. I 27 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: don't get into it at all. But there's something about 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: bringing it into the realm of parenting where I'm suddenly 29 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: completely hooked complete Ike. 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: Just coming home at the end of the day and 31 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: wanting to watch some trashy TV. Your brain's been working 32 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: overdrive for ten twelve hours and you just want a chill. 33 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 2: Last time we did this Week in Parenting, we got 34 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: very excited. It was supposed to be super short. We're 35 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: going to go lightning around. We had five different news 36 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: stories supposed to be done in fifteen minutes, took about 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: twenty three. Today we have four have to get through 38 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: it super fast. We're going to start with Bradley Cooper. 39 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about Mary Poppins. Then we've got 40 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: to talk about Harry Potter and Hogwarts, and finally we're 41 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: going to wrap it up with a really important story, 42 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: very important story from the New York Times about kids 43 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: on Instagram and the way parents are pushing them into it. 44 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: Let's start with Bradley Cooper. 45 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: Recently, on the Dak's Shepherd podcast, Bradley Cooper was heard 46 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: to say this. 47 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: Your DNA is going to tell you that there's something 48 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: more important than you. I remember the first time I realized, 49 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: because every was like I would die in a second 50 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: from my kid. I'm always like, if I'm being honest, 51 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: i don't know, Like the first thing eight months, I'm like, 52 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I really. 53 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: Love the kid. We don't know, Dope, It's cool. 54 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm watching this thing morph. I mean, my experience was 55 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: totally that fascinated by it, love taking care of it. 56 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: Would I die if someone came in with a gun. 57 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: It's only a couple. 58 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: Of months, just alive, and then all of a sudden, 59 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: it's like no question. 60 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: So I've just been astoundard at the astonishing response to 61 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: people on social media in regards to these comments. People 62 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: are absolutely taking this guy to task. What do you 63 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: mean you wouldn't take a bullet for your brand new baby? Like, 64 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: what do you mean you don't love your brand new baby? 65 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: How devastating for your brand new baby to hear this? 66 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: And I'm looking at it and I'm thinking I relate like, 67 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: I'm not probably supposed to say this, but I remember 68 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: when our first born came along. I saw her as 69 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I was thrilled that we had her, and 70 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: I was delighted to say, I'm really excited that I'm 71 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: a dad. But I didn't love her. I didn't understand her. 72 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: I didn't know her, I didn't comprehend her, and I 73 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: reckon It took me between six and twelve months before 74 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: I felt like I was just crazy about this kid 75 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: and would do anything for her. Up until that first 76 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: six to twelve months, she was an impediment. I mean, 77 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: she was a wanted impediment. We asked for this impediment, 78 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 2: but I didn't connect at all, because you can't connect 79 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: and develop that relationship until you're spending the time with them. 80 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: And for me, I hadn't had the same nine months 81 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: with her in utero that you had. She was just 82 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: this blob that was now born and I had to 83 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: deal with her. I just think that the scrutiny and 84 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: the criticism of Bradley Cooper here is unwarranted. 85 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: And the challenge we have is that we live in 86 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 3: a society that desperately wants vulnerability. They want you to 87 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: be real, and yet when you're real, sometimes they just 88 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: tear you to piece because you're not real in the 89 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: way they want you to be real. Yeah, And as 90 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: I listened to it, I just heard a dad who 91 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: was like just being honest, just like you were. Right then, 92 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: it was just the acknowledgment that I'm still getting to 93 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: know this person. And I'm not sure how I feel 94 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: about it, but I can promise you now, I honestly, 95 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 3: I can promise you now that had you ever been 96 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: in a situation in that first six months where your 97 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: baby was in. 98 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: Trouble, I'm sure I would have done anything you would have. 99 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you don't feel like that in the moment 100 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: because everything's okay. 101 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and context is everything. I Mean, here's Bradley Cooper 102 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: talking with one of his mates on a podcast and 103 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: they're joking around about the early days of childhood and parenting, like, 104 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's the whole social media world. Can 105 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: we just accept that sometimes parents take a while to 106 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: settle in. I mean, even even with our kids, Kylie, 107 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: you didn't bond with all of them the same way 108 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: at the same time and instantly loved them all completely 109 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: from the very moment that they were born. It's something 110 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: where relationships have to develop. I also love that he 111 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: said this. 112 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: We talk where I'm on the toilet, she's in the bath. 113 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: The go to. Now, if anyone's going to get criticized 114 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 2: for anything, that's the bit of criticism, seriously close the 115 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: door and say, I'll talk to you when I'm done. 116 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: I'm doing some important business here, am I. Right? 117 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: Hey, look, I don't have any say. There's nothing sacred 118 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 3: in my. 119 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: House, all right. Story number two and the Disney classic 120 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: Mary Poppins, has been upgraded to a PG rating ahead 121 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: of its re release to Market's sixtieth anniversary. 122 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: Mary Poppins goes from a G to a PG. 123 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 2: All right, So I think that this is where once again, 124 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: the world that we live in. I just don't. I 125 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: don't get it. So Mary Poppins, nineteen sixty four, everybody 126 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: knows this one. Wow. Spoonful of sugar helps the medicine 127 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: go down. The movie's age rating was recently lifted from 128 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 2: being a G rated movie or PG rated movie in 129 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: the UK because there's some fear that children could be 130 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: exposed to discriminatory language. I had to look it up. 131 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: I was trying to find what on earth is going 132 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: on here? 133 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: I don't even think there's a bad word in there. 134 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: Well, apparently British Border Film Classification decided that it was 135 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: necessary to change it after analyzing a scene where Julie 136 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: Andrews and Admiral Bloom having a conversation and Admiral Bloom 137 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: uses the word hot and tots, hot and tots, HoTT 138 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: and tots, which I would imagine is sort of like 139 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: a hash brown. Well, it sounds. 140 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: That is a discriminatory. 141 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: Word, okay. Now a dated term. It was historically used 142 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 2: by Europeans to refer to the Choe Coe, who are 143 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: a group of nomadic herders in South Africa, but it's 144 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: now regarded as racially offensive. During the scene which prompted 145 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 2: the reconsideration, character Admiral Bloom used the word HoTT and 146 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: tots twice. At first, he's dangling from the roof in 147 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: a boat and asks the bank's children if they're going 148 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: to fight the hot and tots and the Later on 149 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: in the film, a group of chimney sweepers whose faces 150 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: of black and with soot, dance on the roof and 151 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: the Admiral Ben says change lettles before he shoots fireworks 152 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: at them. Reactions. 153 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: I have so many reactions. I don't even know where 154 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 3: to start. 155 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: Just one, isn't it. 156 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: It reminds me of that quote that you've often shared 157 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 3: about not judging the past based on today's stand. 158 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, the quote is the past is a different country. 159 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: They do things differently there. 160 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: And I don't have a problem with there being an 161 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 3: additional warning at the beginning of a movie to suggest 162 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: that there is some discriminatory behavior or language used or 163 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: anything like that. But I think that at this point 164 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: you're getting all tied up about that. But my daughter 165 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: turns on the radio and she listens to music that 166 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: is literally explicit in nature. 167 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: Well, in our last this week in Pairenting, we talked 168 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: about Megan v. Stallion and her beef with Nicki Minaj 169 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: and and everything that's going on there, like we're swallowing 170 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: thats as swallowing camels, to use a biblical phrase. In 171 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: other words, we're worried about these tiny little things and 172 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: these massive things are going on instead. When I think 173 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: about I mean, so I'm in the majority here. I'm 174 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: not one of the minority people. The koe Coe. I'm 175 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: not a hot and top Okay, so I'm not offended 176 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: by it, but the majority of the world probably has 177 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: no idea what it is, what it means. And we're 178 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: just straining at these tiny things when there are such 179 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: massive things that are out there. Mary Poppins, Philly Boots, 180 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: go for your life. I think this is madness. It's 181 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: again political correctness. It's just so peak. Twenty twenty four, 182 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: number three, number three, just. 183 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 3: Going to pull out that radio voice, number three. What 184 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: is it we're talking about? All things Hogwarts? 185 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: Ah? 186 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: Yes, a Hogwarts Legacy is the Harry Potter franchise, the 187 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: Harry Potter game. As of January twenty twenty four, Warner 188 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: Brothers has sold twenty four million copies of this game. 189 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: When people are playing it all together. Can current players 190 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: online on Steam peak of four hundred and eighty nine 191 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: thousand people playing the game at one time. Wow, four 192 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: half a million people literally playing the game at once. 193 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: This thing, like everything Harry Potter, has boomed. It's brought 194 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: in well over a billion dollars in sales. If your 195 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: kids want Hogwarts Legacy and they're not on it yet, 196 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: if they want to know what it's all about. I 197 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: just thought it would be interesting to step into a 198 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: quick conversation about what Hogwarts Legacy is, So why. 199 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: Does it have everybody enraptured? 200 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: Hogwarts Legacy is it's one of those immersive, open world 201 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: action role playing games said in the Wizarding World of 202 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds, and it puts players right in the 203 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: very heard of it. The game is available on PlayStation five, 204 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: on PlayStation four, on Xbox, on Nintendo Switch. It's also 205 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: available on PC. And essentially, what they're doing is they're 206 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 2: not diving in with the same characters that you have 207 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 2: in Harry Potter. What they're doing though, instead is they're adapting, 208 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: adapting the games into this magical JK. Rowling wizarding world 209 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: and essentially big role playing game kids can't get enough 210 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: of it. Single player action or playing game where players 211 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: experience life as a student at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft 212 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: and Wizardry and embark on a dangerous journey to uncover 213 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: a hidden truth of the wizarding world. And obviously they 214 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 2: grow their magical abilities by mastering spells and brewing potions 215 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: and doing all the things at the game demands of them. 216 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: And this thing is just it's going off one of 217 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: the biggest games happening in the world at the moment. 218 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: Hogwarts legacy JK. 219 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: Rowling. She's kind of a genius. She's literally created a 220 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: story that has captured children from as young as five, six, seven, 221 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: and eight year olds all the way up to about 222 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: as old as you can get. People just love it, 223 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 3: can't get enough of it. 224 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: Such a big deal. 225 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 3: Hogwarts is a big deal in our house. But I 226 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: know it's not popular. But we don't have an Xbox, 227 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: a Nintendo Switch, PlayStation. They won't play it. 228 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I draw a line in the sand right back 229 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: at the very beginning when we had our first couple 230 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: of kids, and I just said, we'll never have a 231 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: gaming console in the house. It's not what we do. 232 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 2: We don't want to do this. I don't want to 233 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: bring it in. And because I knew what it did 234 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: in my home, and even then, I was watching what 235 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: was happening in so many homes and just said, no, 236 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: not going to happen. It's made us really unpopular as 237 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: parents with our kids. But screens are just messing up 238 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: our kids' lives. I don't know how else to say it, Like, 239 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: I want to be impartial, I want to be scientific, 240 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: and I want to be really trepidacious and careful and 241 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: reserved in the way that I make judgments around what 242 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: screens are doing. But I feel like screens are the 243 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: new smoking. It took decades for scientists to finally garner 244 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: the evidence where they could stand up and say categorically 245 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: smoking is bad for your health. We have now had 246 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: screens pervasive in our lives for fifteen twenty years, depending 247 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: on how you're looking at it. Facebook's been around for 248 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 2: almost twenty years now, and we are seeing the fruits 249 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: of this technology, and the fruits are rotten. The fruits 250 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 2: are fomenting, the fruits leadings to negative outcomes. And as 251 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: wonderful as Hogwarts legacy might be, when you've got a 252 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 2: half a million kids online at any given time playing 253 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: this game instead of being outside riding their bikes, playing 254 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: on play equipment, swimming in the water, climbing, throwing things, 255 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: kicking things like this is not what a healthy childhood 256 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 2: is about. It's wonderful if you need it to supplement 257 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: from time to time. I'm not anti anti anti games well. 258 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: And our kids have experienced all of these forms of 259 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: gaming at friends places and things like that. We haven't 260 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: stopped them, right, but I'm not going to bring it 261 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 3: into my home. 262 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 2: Right And so for people who are listening with young kids, 263 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: I know that this is this week impairing. It's all 264 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: about news, but I want to just I want to 265 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: preach what I practice for just a sec and that 266 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: is we have made a conservative effort to keep this 267 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: stuff out of our home because we know it's not 268 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: good for our kids, and they are benefiting from not 269 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: having it here. I just don't believe there's anything redemptive 270 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 2: about it at all. Number four, our final story fit 271 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: today is a heavy Instagram has a policy against children 272 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: under thirteen having their own account, an investigation by The 273 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: New York Times. Parents think it's just a jumpstart into 274 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: a mileline career for the child, but it can quickly 275 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: descend into a dark underworld. 276 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 3: The New York Times has done an investigation into Instagram 277 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 3: and specifically child accounts run by mummy bloggers. 278 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: Right that end up being stalked by men. So this 279 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: is people always say, oh, my kids are fine, and 280 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: I'm fine to put photos up of my children on 281 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: Instagram and that kind of thing. I just I can't 282 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: emphasize enough the mendacity, the duplicity of the people who 283 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: are running Meta and the other platforms that our children 284 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: are involved on, they don't care about your kids. The 285 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: e Safety Commissioner Julian mcgrant was here on our podcast 286 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: just last week or the week before or whatever it was. 287 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: I've forgotten the day, but just in the last couple 288 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: of weeks literally talking about how she has written to 289 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: and sought information from twenty seven of the world's major 290 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 2: technology platforms who are not using the technology that they 291 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:03,359 Speaker 2: have at their disposal to keep creeps off the site. 292 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: In fact, they're actively, in some places, literally actively promoting 293 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: abuse oriented material. 294 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 3: Well, this is a numbers game, right, The more traffic 295 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: we've got, the more money their owning. 296 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: So this week in parenting, this particular story not for kids. 297 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: You might want to press pause until the kids aren't 298 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: with you if you're listening with them right now, or 299 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: maybe you do want to listen because it matters so much. 300 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: New York Times did an investigation that's just wrapped up. 301 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: The reporters analyzed two point one million Instagram posts, They 302 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: monitored months of online chats of professed pedophiles, and interviewed 303 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: over one hundred people, including parents and children, and essentially 304 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: what they're looking at is young women, girls and young 305 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: women who are posting on Instagram, usually in an influencer capacity. Okay, 306 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: they're not sharing any of the images because they didn't 307 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: want to make it worse. But for example, there's a 308 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: box that represents a real photo of a nine year 309 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: old girl in a golden bikini lounging on a towel, 310 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: and the photos posted on her Instagram account, which is 311 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: run by her parents, and the comments underneath this did 312 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: I tell you it was a nine year old girl 313 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: in a bikini? The comments underneath this post say things like, 314 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: mummamea great body. Love perfect bikini body. Mm take that 315 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: bikini off. You're so hot, before someone jumps in and 316 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: says you all are dogs. She's a child. This article 317 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: and we'll link to it in the show notes from 318 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: the New York Times. We'll probably take you about fifteen 319 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: minutes to read. But essentially it's an article that says 320 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: we've got a whole bunch of people who are running 321 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: these mum run accounts for their kids so that their 322 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: kids can become online influences. The large audiences tend to 323 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: be oriented in a sexual way, even with young girls 324 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: and tend to be boosted by men in the audiences. 325 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: And here's the really concerning thing. One calculation performed by 326 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: an audience demographics firm found thirty two million connections to 327 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 2: male followers among the five thousand accounts that were examined 328 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: by the Times. And this paragraph just flowed me. Interacting 329 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: with the men opens the door to abuse. Some flatter, 330 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: some bully, and some blackmail girls and their parents to 331 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: get racier and racier images. The Times monitored separate exchanges 332 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: on Telegram, which is a messaging app where men openly 333 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: fantasize about sexually abusing the children they follow on Instagram, 334 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: and extolled the platform from making the images so readily available. 335 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: Here's a direct quote from Telegram about Instagram. It's like 336 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: a candy store. One of them wrote, God bless instamums, 337 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: wrote another. 338 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 3: I just feel physically ill. I'm literally sitting here and 339 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: thinking about my nine year old daughter and how I 340 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: would feel had I posted a picture of her that 341 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 3: got that kind. 342 00:16:59,280 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: Could you imagine? 343 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: I can't, you'd want to thing to speak like I've 344 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: really it just makes me physically ill to not only 345 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 3: think that there are people out there that think it's okay, 346 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: but that mums would actually place their daughters in that situation. 347 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: So two things on that. First off, a Melbourne mum 348 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: who went by the name of Caylen in the interview said, 349 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: and I quote, I really don't want my child exploited 350 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: on the internet. But she's been doing this so long 351 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: now her numbers are so big. What do we do? 352 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: Just stop it and walk away? So Caylen, whose daughter 353 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: is now seventeen, said that she was worried that a 354 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: childhood spent sporting bikinis online for adult men had scarred her. 355 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: Here's the direct quote. She's written herself off and decided 356 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: that the only way she's going to have a future 357 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: is to make a mint on only fans. She has 358 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 2: way more than that to offer, with the wisdom and 359 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: knowledge I have now, if I could go back, I 360 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: definitely wouldn't do it. I've been stupidly naively feeding a 361 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 2: pack of monsters and the regret is huge. 362 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 3: This is such a heavy hitting article. It really just 363 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: it's like a sucker punch to the stomach. Really makes 364 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 3: me sick. But what I don't understand is why these 365 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: platforms are not protecting our kids. 366 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: Okay, well, there's two things here. First of all, the 367 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 2: platform is doing a terrible job, and I want to 368 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: share some stats on that in a sec But secondly, 369 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 2: just a reminder of your parents. Your children are not 370 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: going to be benefited by being on Instagram and TikTok 371 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: and all the others. I know that there are some 372 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: people out there who are doing it really well and 373 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: making heaps and heaps of money. To me, I just 374 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 2: don't think that it's worth a risk. I just can't 375 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: believe that it's worth the extra ten or twenty, or 376 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 2: thirty or even fifty or one hundred thousand dollars a 377 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: year in your bank account or in their bank account. 378 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: I just don't believe it. 379 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 3: It's an expectation of your child. 380 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 2: There's definitely people who are saying that. Here's what it 381 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 2: says in the New York Times article about what's going 382 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: on with the platforms. Account owners who report explicit images 383 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 2: or potential predators to Instagram it typically met with silence 384 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: or indifference, and those who block many abusers have seen 385 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: their own account's ability to use certain features limited. According 386 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: to the interviews and documents, in the course of eight months, 387 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: the Time's made over fifty reports of its own about 388 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 2: questionable material and received only one response. Let me pick 389 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: up on that. If the account owners are reporting potential predators, 390 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 2: Instagram Meta is reducing their reach. It's actually reducing their 391 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: impact and their capacity to do what they're trying to 392 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: do as influences. In other words, Instagram's basically saying, hey, 393 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 2: if this is what you choose, then you take the 394 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: whole package. You don't get to choose who gets to 395 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: follow you and who doesn't. Will just limit you if 396 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: you want to play that game. Meta, Instagram's parent company, 397 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: found that half a million child Instagram accounts had inappropriate 398 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: interactions every day, every day, every day, according to an 399 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: internal study in twenty twenty that was quoted in legal proceedings. 400 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: This stuff is staggering. And you know what, the Meta 401 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: spokesman says, parents are responsible for the accounts and their 402 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 2: content and complete content at any time. Which is true. Okay, 403 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: that is true. Parents have got to take some responsibility here. 404 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: Parents are the ones that are putting their kids out 405 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 2: there and lining this up. But my goodness, we've got 406 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: a platform that has the capacity to do something here 407 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: and they are not doing it. 408 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: And here we are talking about hot and tots going 409 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: from a G to a PG, and we find ourselves 410 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: looking at this kind of a story. This is insane. 411 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 3: What does our world come to. 412 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: Really, you are so sexy, is what one comment on 413 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: an image of a five year old girl and a 414 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 2: ruffle bikini said. Those two little things look great through 415 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: your top, said another on a video of a girl 416 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 2: dancing in a white cropped shirt who months later posted 417 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 2: pictures of her eleventh birthday party. This is a scourg 418 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: and you know what. We're sharing this on this week 419 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: in Parenting because we want you to know this stuff's happening. 420 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: And if you sticking your kids out there, you are 421 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: allowing them to be exploit exploited, And this is the 422 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: exploitation stuff. But these people are on accounts all over 423 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 2: the place. People always say, oh, would never happen to 424 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 2: my child. This stuff only happens in the papers in 425 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 2: the media. It doesn't. It happens all the time all 426 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: over the place. We just need to be so careful 427 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: with our kids on social media. We really hope that 428 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: this has been a helpful conversation for you, and we 429 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: would strongly recommend every parent on the planet read the 430 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: article in The New York Times about how children are 431 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: being affected by what's going on Instagram. Kylie, that is 432 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: this week in parenting. 433 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: OK, you can do better than that. 434 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: Not today. I've had enough. Hey, thanks so much for listening. 435 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: The Happy Family Podcast is produced by Justin Rown from 436 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: Bridge Media. Craig Bruce is our executive producer. For more 437 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: information about making your family happier, please visit us at 438 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: happy families dot com dot au. Sign up to the newsletter. 439 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: Way safer than being on social media. 440 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: Yahm.