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Speaker 1: It's The Happy Family's podcast with doctor Justin Coulson, the

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Speaker 1: podcast for the time Poor Parent who Just Wants Answers Now,

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Speaker 1: where Luke and Susie, our husband and wife radio team

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Speaker 1: and the parents of three young boys. Today we're talking

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Speaker 1: about a question that's come through to the show, how

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Speaker 1: to help a teenager in their friendships when they're struggling

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Speaker 1: with their mental health. We're addressing a question from Emma today.

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Speaker 1: She has a fifteen year old and I feel for

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Speaker 1: her because I think, probably knowing what's happening with mental

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Speaker 1: health in Australia, this would be one of the common

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Speaker 1: questions that parents are trying to figure out. How do

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Speaker 1: I help my child? Emma wrote, my fifteen year old

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Speaker 1: son is very anxious, depressed and fidgety. He's happy when

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Speaker 1: he's with his friends, but he doesn't have many true friends.

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Speaker 1: How can I enable him to pursue and make good

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Speaker 1: friends without taking over?

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Speaker 2: Without taking over? Does that we leave that to last

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Speaker 2: or do we do.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the mental health issues first. So Emma

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Speaker 3: has said that she's concerned that her son has anxiety

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Speaker 3: and depression. We need to be very careful about using

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Speaker 3: these words and understand whether somebody actually has a mental

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Speaker 3: illness or whether they're just feeling a little bit lousy

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Speaker 3: or feeling a little bit nervous and worried. Just because

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Speaker 3: somebody is worried and is feeling anxious doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: they have anxiety. Just because somebody is sad and having

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Speaker 3: a rough time doesn't mean that they have depression. There

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Speaker 3: are some clinical criteria that need to be met over

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Speaker 3: a sustained period of time for somebody to receive that diagnosis.

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Speaker 3: So it's worth checking in with the GP if you

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Speaker 3: don't have a diagnosis and getting a referral to a psychologist.

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Speaker 3: The psychologists can have a conversation and figure out, you know,

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Speaker 3: is this somebody that's actually got depression and anxiety or

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Speaker 3: is this somebody who is just feeling lousy about life.

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Speaker 4: You know, life's challenging.

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Speaker 3: And they're having some challenge some difficulties, and they need

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Speaker 3: some skills to equip themselves to pull themselves out. So

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to address that first. When you're a teenager,

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Speaker 3: sometimes life can be really hard, especially around friends. Now,

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Speaker 3: the next issue that we probably need to arrest is

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Speaker 3: the friendship issue, and then we'll talk about the taking over. Okay, okay, friends,

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Speaker 3: Friends are oxygen when you're a teenager.

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Speaker 4: You can't live without them.

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Speaker 3: It's literally like saying to a teen no more air,

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Speaker 3: Let's see how you go. And I have this conversation

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Speaker 3: just this morning with a lady in the United States

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Speaker 3: who was interviewing me for a podcast, and she said,

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Speaker 3: sometimes our children have friendships that are toxic, or friendships

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Speaker 4: Worse about themselves.

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Speaker 3: How do we help our children to know that they're

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Speaker 3: better off being lonely than having those friends. And I said, well,

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Speaker 3: in the same way that you teach them that they're

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Speaker 3: better off not having air, they would rather have some.

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Speaker 4: Kind of a relationship.

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Speaker 3: Our children are. In fact, we as humans, we're ultrasocial.

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Speaker 3: We need to feel that we belong. We need to

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Speaker 3: feel that we matter. So what I would be doing

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Speaker 3: if I was Emma, and this is where we start

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Speaker 3: to get into the hole. How do we inject ourselves

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Speaker 3: into this teenager's life without going too far, without becoming

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Speaker 3: forceful and having them push us away? Is asking some

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Speaker 3: careful questions when you're around these people, do you like

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Speaker 3: yourself when you're around these people? Do you feel like

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Speaker 3: you feel like you have to change? Because when we've

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Speaker 3: we need to make any adjustments. Crucial questions for helping

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: If the answer is no, our job then becomes how

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Speaker 3: do I support you as you look for better friendships?

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Speaker 3: You're looking at me so earnestly, Well.

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Speaker 1: This is such a big thing for me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're not at that age yet. Our children in primary

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Speaker 1: in primary school. It's a very different scenario to high school,

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Speaker 1: I forget, but I think, how much do we get

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Speaker 3: That was one of my first common Yeah, one of

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Speaker 3: my first suggestions is let's look at the school situation.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's not going so well, But what are you

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Speaker 3: Because I'm going to guarantee there'll be other people who

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Speaker 3: don't know. Well, let's try something for a term. Does

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Speaker 4: Over time?

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Speaker 3: So long as we can develop relationships in those things

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Speaker 3: that we're interested in, that can become a great support.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's a church group or a sporting activity.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's I don't know, something really weird that is

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Speaker 4: just your thing.

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Speaker 3: I've got a friend who is into I can't remember

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Speaker 3: what they call it, but he gets dressed up in

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Speaker 3: all the medieval costumes constantly.

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Speaker 4: No, it's another name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have the not cosplay, it's the reenactment of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So they put on all the armor and

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Speaker 3: they run around with shields and swords and in fields.

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Speaker 4: It's got some name.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember what it is, and I kind of

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Speaker 4: Okay, But for.

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Speaker 3: Him, this is his thing, and he's found an entire

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Speaker 3: to get dressed up and play these games in the fields,

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Speaker 3: like you know, their medieval warriors. Your son or your

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Speaker 3: daughter will find their thing if we can help them

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Speaker 3: to look around. So that's one thing that I'd say.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I struggle with this is there's a

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Speaker 2: time in our children's development where we get so stressed

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Speaker 2: this and to learn that, and eventually the advice comes

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Speaker 2: to go, let them be kids and they have time

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Speaker 2: to they'll grow into some of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Between that and teaching them these skills.

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Speaker 2: And when can we stop assuming that it will just

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Speaker 2: sort itself out in a sense, so if we don't

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Speaker 2: address it, they won't develop these skills as an adult,

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Speaker 2: and then we've let them down. I find the pressure

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Speaker 3: It's really tricky because and as parents, we get rewarded

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Speaker 3: for the helicoptering. Let's say, let's say your child forgets

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Speaker 3: and so we kind of get rewarded for stepping in.

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Speaker 3: We look like we're being good parents, but what we're

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Speaker 3: actually doing, I mean, fine, do that once or twice,

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Speaker 3: but if this is a repeated habit, we need our

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Speaker 3: children to learn how to be responsible, which requires some

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Speaker 3: other conversations down the track, and maybe one day we

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Speaker 3: say I wish that I could, but today I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: you're going to be really hungry at three o'clock when

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Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting we'd be hardcore about this, but we've

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Speaker 3: got to let them actually experience failure and mistakes so

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Speaker 3: that they can grow. We get stronger by going through

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Speaker 3: hard things. So I would say to Emma, he's going

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Speaker 3: to really struggle with this. Your job is to say

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Speaker 3: how can I support you? How can I help you,

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Speaker 3: and then let him.

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Speaker 4: Figure it out.

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Speaker 3: If you step in and start saying don't be friends

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Speaker 3: with that person, that person will become forbidden fruit.

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Speaker 4: He'll probably gravitate towards them if he's feeling lonely and

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Speaker 4: not making any friends.

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Speaker 3: You can always have a conversation, let's talk about what

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Speaker 3: you're doing in your relationships, let's consider.

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Speaker 4: How you are with them, or.

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Speaker 3: You can just book in a conversation with a psychologists

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Speaker 3: because sometimes coming from mum it doesn't work at all.

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Speaker 3: But I think your job as a parent, especially with

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Speaker 4: How can I help?

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Speaker 3: I'm here to support, but you've got to do this

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Speaker 1: I guess underpinning all of that, the thought in my head,

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Speaker 1: justin is that we as parents need to see our

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Speaker 1: children for who they actually are and not for who

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Speaker 1: we want them to be. Right so that the interests

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Speaker 1: that we're pointing them towards are their interests, not what

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Speaker 1: we want them to love.

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Speaker 4: They need to know that they're okay.

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Speaker 3: You've got to be able to look at your son

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Speaker 3: and say, I know you're having a hard time with

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Speaker 3: friends right now, but you need to know you're okay.

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Speaker 4: Are you the finished product?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Are you perfect?

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Speaker 3: But you are just fine and as you grow, you'll

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Speaker 3: get better and better as we all do. But accept you.

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Speaker 3: You're worthy, you do belong, you do matter, and other

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Speaker 3: people will see that as you start to believe that

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Speaker 3: about yourself. First one to tell you you're okay. I know

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Speaker 3: you feel like a failure. We all do. But even

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Speaker 3: if you're failing, you're okay because you're trying. Failure means

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Speaker 3: I'm trying, So keep trying and keep failing.

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Speaker 1: You're Okay, so good, doctor Justin kills.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the process of the whole thing. We

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Speaker 2: answered the last part of the question of the without

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Speaker 2: stepping in, without taking over, just naturally, all those steps

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Speaker 2: just give us all the tools we need in theory.

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Speaker 2: Now we've got to go and execute.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and can. I know we're out of time, but

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Speaker 4: just quickly. You will fail. As a parent, I have

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Speaker 4: parents say to me all the time.

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Speaker 3: I try to say it the way you say it

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Speaker 3: when I'm listening to what you teach, and I get

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Speaker 3: into the situation with my child and it just goes

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Speaker 3: pear shaped, like it just flops everywhere and nothing works.

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Speaker 3: And my response to that is, of course, because when

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Speaker 3: you try anything new, your children are going to think

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Speaker 3: it's weird and you're not going to know how to react,

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Speaker 3: and you will fail. It's a guarantee. What matters is

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Speaker 3: that you're okay, you tried, and try again, because the

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Speaker 3: more you practice it, the better you'll get. I've been

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Speaker 3: practicing this for twenty years now, and I still get

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Speaker 3: it wrong.

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Speaker 2: I can imagine one parent hearing Justin going right, okay,

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Speaker 2: going up to the teenager and go, I'm here to help.

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Speaker 2: How can I help, and the teenager says, go away.

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Speaker 2: I don't like you leave me alone, slams the door

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Speaker 2: and they go.

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Speaker 4: Not listening. I don't have the next line.

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Speaker 1: I have another question.

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Speaker 3: I recently launched my book, Misconnection, the book about teenage girls,

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Speaker 3: and Jessica Rowe hosted the event, and she was just

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Speaker 3: so generous and gracious and wonderful. But her opening remark

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Speaker 3: talks about how we need to connect with our children,

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Speaker 3: make mornings really special, and I decided to do it.

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Speaker 3: I looked at the line that was in the book.

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Speaker 3: Her thirteen year old daughter looked at her and said,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Pleasure.

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