1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: This is the Happy Family's podcast with doctor Justin Coilson, 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: where Look and Susie our husband and wife radio team 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: with three young boys. This is the podcast for the time, 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: poor parent who just wants some answers now when it comes. 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: To our kids. 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 3: I think we both understand the concept we're going to 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 3: discuss today, but I think we express it in very 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 3: different ways. 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: And that there is a scenario. 10 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 3: Where one of our boys will be at the other 11 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 3: end of the house or outside on ext door and 12 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 3: one of them will start screaming, and your inclination is 13 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 3: to run, and my inclination is to stay. Let them 14 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 3: deal with whatever they're going through. They've got a tough 15 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 3: en up and they got to build some resilience. You 16 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 3: can tell the difference between that I'm about to die 17 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 3: scream and yes, I'm just upset scream and so I go, okay, 18 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: it's just the I'm upset screen. I got a little 19 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: bit hurt. But at other times I'm jumping in and 20 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 3: you're the ones going no, You've. 21 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: Got to teach them some resilience. I think this is 22 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: an interesting thing. How much is too. 23 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: Much when we engage with our kids, and how much 24 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: do we need to toughen them up a little bit. 25 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: To talk us through that. 26 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Our expert from Happy Families dot Com to are you 27 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: doctor justin? 28 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: Colsid? 29 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: How are you justin? 30 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: Hi? 31 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 4: Susie, Hi, Luke. I love talking about this stuff with 32 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 4: you guys. And what a great example. I can't tell 33 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 4: you how many times it's the dad that says no, no, no, 34 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 4: that'll be right and says, oh no. It's it's a 35 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 4: common pattern. I mean, it's not. It doesn't happen every time, 36 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 4: but it's it's the absolute epitome of what we see 37 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 4: most of the time. Dads are relaxed and munder stress 38 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: when it comes to the possibility of blood or broken bones. 39 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: I think, I see. I think. 40 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: The thing is, what we've proven consistently is whenever there's 41 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: an opinion, a difference of an opinion when it comes 42 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: to their physical well being, that the vast majority of 43 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: times I've been accurate as to what they're actually going through. 44 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: But when it comes to their emotional distress and whether 45 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: there is something that we need to be sensitive of 46 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: or someone, then Susie almost is always accurate. 47 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: I go, aheah, what are they going on about? 48 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: They're just talking and Susie goes, well because of this 49 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: just and I suddenly go, oh, no, I was a 50 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: bit harsh on them. So I mean, we've got our 51 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: areas of expertise. 52 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: Just yeah, yeah, And that's what the research shows as well. 53 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 4: Dads encourage their kids to play and explore and get 54 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: curious and take risks. Mums try to minimize that sort 55 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: of stuff, And when it comes to the emotional world 56 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 4: of children, mums do tend to be a little more 57 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: finely tuned into what's going on. 58 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: We understand because we all make comments about it with 59 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: somebody else and their kids. 60 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: You can molly call a child too much. 61 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: You can do too much for them and overprotect them 62 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: from the world, and then they become spoilt little brats, 63 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 3: as the term we use. It's obviously something we're aware of, 64 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 3: but how common is it that we actually do it ourselves. 65 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 4: I don't think that it happens nearly as much as 66 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 4: the media makes it out to happen. It certainly does happen. 67 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 4: I mean I know I was seventeen year old boy 68 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 4: who wasn't allowed to ride down to the shops on 69 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 4: his bike, and the shops were only about a kilometer away, 70 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 4: you know, mummy was just too scared that something might 71 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 4: happen to little Callum, and so just you know, he's 72 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 4: seventeen years old, he's six foot four and he had 73 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: to ride the bikes, ride his bike to the shops. 74 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 4: I'm aware of another parent who her son had some 75 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 4: allergies and so as a twelve year old, he was 76 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 4: still being invited to parties and mummy was packing food 77 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 4: for him so that he wouldn't be exposed to any Now. 78 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 4: I understand the safety element of that, but the kids twelve, 79 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 4: he should have been taught and be able to figure 80 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 4: that sort of stuff out by now. And the stories 81 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: go on and on, you know, with kids being sorry, 82 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 4: with parents ringing on behalf of kids and speaking to 83 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: teachers and getting them out of homework assignments or projects, 84 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 4: or getting exam scores bumped up, and all of this, 85 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 4: you know, as you said, Molly coddling. And there is 86 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 4: some suggestion that it can handicap our children. It can 87 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 4: lead them to think that every time there's a problem, 88 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 4: they're entitled to have somebody else fix it, or simply 89 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 4: to feel helpless and look around and say, well, who 90 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: can fix this for me? Because somebody has always done 91 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: it so that I don't have to. 92 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: I have a theory. I want to explore that with you. Next, 93 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Justin Coulson, we're talking about resilience in our Kids' 94 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: is from Heavyfamilies dot com dot au. 95 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 5: More Next, are you endlessly nagging, shouting, pleading, threatening and 96 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 5: demanding that your children behave? Do you live in a 97 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 5: dictatorship where the kids are in charge? Time Out is 98 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 5: Not Your Only Option? 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As 107 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: we're talking today about resilience. 108 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: So finished just a few moments ago, I aory. 109 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: I have a theory, and then she moved on and 110 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: I'm still yet to hear what this theory is. 111 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: Yes, I double aged in psychology, so there's very little 112 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: credibility because I've never actually practiced it. But my theory 113 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: justin when it comes to resilience and kids, and we're 114 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: talking about things like the helicopter parenting, the jumping into 115 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: rescue at every moment our children and not letting them 116 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: do things that might potentially, possibly vaguely be in the 117 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: realm of a small chance of them being injured. My 118 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: theory is that parents these days are so tired. It's 119 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: not the child they're protecting, it's themselves. 120 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 4: I think in some cases, you'll be right. You know, 121 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 4: it's just easier. It's just easier if I do it. 122 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 4: It's just easier if I take over and take control, 123 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 4: and it's going to be done better, and then there's 124 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 4: not going to be anything to worry about. I've got 125 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 4: no doubt about that. There's a few other things that 126 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 4: are creating this culture of do it all for the kids. 127 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 4: We have fewer children, and we really want them to succeed. 128 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 4: We want them to be absolutely brilliant. The frightening thing 129 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 4: is the more we do to help them, the more 130 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 4: we actually handicap them down the track. The children who 131 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 4: have everything done for them, they turn eighteen or twenty 132 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 4: two or twenty six, and they're still bringing the washing 133 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 4: home because they don't know how to do it all, 134 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 4: because they have always been taught that somebody will fix 135 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 4: it all. I actually this is staggering. But I heard 136 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 4: a story from an employer just recently who said he'd 137 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 4: hired a recent graduate twenty four years old, and the 138 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 4: graduate had been working for him for about a year. 139 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 4: He got a phone call from the graduate's mum, My 140 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 4: son is working so hard for you. Are you aware 141 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 4: of what he's doing? Surely he deserves a pay rise 142 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 4: by now. I'm not convinced that that's healthy for him, 143 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 4: or for the boss, or for anybody. I think that 144 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 4: we've got it. I mean, our job is ultimately to 145 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 4: make ourselves redundant. I'm not suggesting that we should leave 146 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: our two year old to fend for herself, that she 147 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 4: should be making her lunch and getting herself off to 148 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 4: kindy on her own. But what I am suggesting is 149 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 4: that when our children are having a difficulty, when there's 150 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 4: a chance that they might hurt themselves, or a chance 151 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 4: that they could fail, it might be okay to let 152 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 4: them do that, and then to be the support and 153 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 4: scaffolding asswords. Now, sometimes we don't want to let them 154 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 4: do that. We need to judge it on its merriage. 155 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: If they're going to fail crossing the road, we probably 156 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 4: need to be there to prevent any harm or tragedy. 157 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 4: If they're going to fail peeling the potato properly, we 158 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 4: can probably let them bleed a little bit because they'll 159 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: learn how to use a potato peeler safely. Then again, 160 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: maybe we don't want them to do that because they're 161 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 4: too young, or because they're actually going to hurt themselves 162 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: quite a lot. You know that feeling when you get 163 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 4: yourself with a potato peel that's horrible. What I'm basically 164 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 4: saying is judge each case on its merits and if 165 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: failure and if a little bit of pain is not 166 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 4: going to cause harm is not going to frighten them 167 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 4: and may actually help them to grow and be better. 168 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 4: It's our job not to fix everything. It's our job 169 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 4: not to prevent everything, But instead it's our job to 170 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 4: be support and scaffolding. We have a genuinely important role 171 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: to nurture and to protect, but that doesn't mean that 172 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: we should do everything for them and stop anything from 173 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 4: possibly ever maybe happening. 174 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. There's two things to say. 175 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: One you talked about the getting a phone call, the 176 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: graduate getting a phone call. I as a manager, had 177 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: a phone call from the dad of a twenty eight 178 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: year old employee because they were working so hard and 179 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: maybe we needed to give them some time off. 180 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: I'm okay, thank you, daddy. 181 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: But as someone who was very navigationally challenged, I'm like 182 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: a child when it comes to learning directions. 183 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: And there was a friend's house. 184 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: We visited them every fortnight for over a year, and 185 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: I drove the car every single time, but Susie gave 186 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: me directions, turn left here, turn. 187 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: Right there, turn left here. 188 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: We house sat for this couple, and the very first 189 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: day I got lost and didn't know how to get 190 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: to their house every fortnight for a year. But because 191 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: Susie had been telling me where they go, I never 192 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 3: learned how to do it by myself. 193 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: It wasn't till the first time or two I got lost. 194 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: Then it was off by heart. Didn't need the GPS anymore. 195 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: This is the learning experience. 196 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 3: You have to let them fail sometimes so they can 197 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: learn how to succeed. 198 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 4: Justin I think we should maybe wrap up with one 199 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 4: really quick and simple analogy. I like to ride my 200 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 4: push bike. I'm one of those middle aged men in 201 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 4: like or the whole Likera thing and the shaved legs, 202 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 4: and I just overshared. 203 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I getting awkward. 204 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 4: Hold on you didn't really want that image, But you've 205 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 4: got a fountain. But if I want to become a 206 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 4: great bike rider, if I want to become a strong 207 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 4: bike rider, I don't get great at bike riding by 208 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 4: riding downhill. Riding downhill is fun. Riding downhill is enjoyable 209 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: and it's easy, but I don't get the strengthening that 210 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 4: comes from the challenge of riding uphill. It's when I 211 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 4: ride uphill, when I go through the difficulty and the 212 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 4: trial of pushing myself up a hill that just looks 213 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: too hard, that's where the growth comes. And that's the 214 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 4: same for our children. They do need to ride uphill, 215 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 4: not necessarily physically but metaphorically. They've got to go through 216 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 4: the hard stuff and go through the challenges. But it's 217 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 4: much easier for than if they're doing it with us 218 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 4: right there by their side, encouraging them and helping them 219 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 4: when they need it with a tiny little push or 220 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: a little nudge or a little hate. You've just got 221 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 4: to get to that corner. You've just got to get 222 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 4: to that lamppost. That's what builds resilience, giving them success 223 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 4: opportunities while we're standing beside them but not doing it 224 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 4: for them. And if they do fall over, we help 225 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: them get up and get back on the bike, but 226 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 4: we don't necessarily pick them up, put them on the bike, 227 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 4: and then drag them up the hill. 228 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 229 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 3: Well, it's been absolutely empowering and rewarding having a few 230 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: moments with your doctor. Justin Kilson from Happy Families dot 231 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 3: com dot you thank you so much for your. 232 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 4: Time, always pleasure. 233 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: For more info in all of Justin's books, podcasts, and programs, 234 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: you can jump online to happy Families dot com dot 235 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: are you to find out how to have Justin speak 236 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: at your school, or you can come along to your 237 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: organization as well. Go to Justin Coulson dot com.