Speaker 1: Give a pete, Hell are you here? Welcome to you
Speaker 1: and Seeing Nothing Yet the movie podcast We're out out
Speaker 1: to a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie
Speaker 1: they haven't quite got around to watching until now. And
Speaker 1: today's guest actor comedian writer Michelle Brazier all below.
Speaker 2: I want to stay here with you.
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Speaker 4: Hate snake shocked, Hi, Hail.
Speaker 5: Haven't any write, No, don't seen nothing new.
Speaker 1: I am super pumped to have the wonderful, extremely talented,
Speaker 1: the very funny Michelle Braziet on you ain't seen nothing
Speaker 1: yet today. I am a massive fan. She's one of
Speaker 1: the most watchable performers doing the circuit at the moment.
Speaker 1: She's been plying her craft for over ten years. Early days,
Speaker 1: she was in a group called a Double Denim and
Speaker 1: more recently well then shifted over with hanging out with
Speaker 1: the Only Donna Boys, became part of their troop and
Speaker 1: appeared in their shows, their TV shows as I was
Speaker 1: their live shows. But in more recent years it's really
Speaker 1: broken out to announce herself as one of the most enjoyable, watchable,
Speaker 1: talented solo performers. She did the show a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago called Average Bear, which blew me away. I
Speaker 1: was such a massive fan of that show. I loved
Speaker 1: it so much. And she has gone on and to
Speaker 1: perform that show around the world New York, La, London, Edinburgh.
Speaker 1: She has done it all. She's absolutely kicking major goals.
Speaker 1: At the moment, I got into do a few episodes
Speaker 1: of How to Stay Married. She was hilarious in that
Speaker 1: is so much fun to work with. Also, she's been
Speaker 1: Get Cracking. You may recognize her and Get Cracking and
Speaker 1: fans of Sew Michaela's Mad as Hell would know her.
Speaker 1: She actually also writes and provides voice for Yollow Crystal Fantasy.
Speaker 1: That's a massive cult show in the world of animation.
Speaker 1: But she has also appeared on Drunk History, Hoovey and
Speaker 1: she's she's doing She's literally doing it all. She can see.
Speaker 1: She's got an amazing voice. She's a beautiful singer. And
Speaker 1: she's walking into the Red Nads. I doing an introduction
Speaker 1: coming with Michelle, and there's raving you up. Michelle's also
Speaker 1: an author. Her book, her best selling book, My Brother's
Speaker 1: Ashes Are in a Sandwich Bag hilarious, But you're so
Speaker 1: kind of heartbreaking, and there's there's so much stuff loaded
Speaker 1: into that book. Apple had it. There's one of the big, massive,
Speaker 1: next big thing book, so get onto it. Audible. He
Speaker 1: went massive on audible. Michelle did the Ordible. She did
Speaker 1: the recording herself. You can listen to Michelle actually read
Speaker 1: the book and her also her next year, the Comedy
Speaker 1: Festival shows are on Sophie listening to this as it
Speaker 1: comes out, and Michelle's show is called It's a Shame
Speaker 1: We won't be friends next year A Grannie assume that
Speaker 1: he is about Brodon Kelly, but maybe not. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to Michelle about that. Michelle is extremely talented,
Speaker 1: as I've said, hilarious and I'm bloody Stoke can be
Speaker 1: hanging with her to that.
Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Michelle Brazier. My favorite films are. This is
Speaker 2: very hard because I'm like, I want to do my
Speaker 2: letterbox top four and I have to drop off A four.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to go Paddington too.
Speaker 6: We can still hear you, mister Brown.
Speaker 5: That was the light you turned off. The microphone is
Speaker 5: on the other side.
Speaker 6: It's got microphone written on it.
Speaker 2: Waiting for Guffman.
Speaker 1: We had the first sighting here in nineteen forty six.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just a sadie. They just can fly by.
Speaker 5: They stopped, they landed, The people in Blaine went on
Speaker 5: board the ship, pot lucked, dinner.
Speaker 2: And Furious seven.
Speaker 5: You risk life and limb to say, the free world?
Speaker 1: And what do they give you?
Speaker 6: Jello and a bad seventies TV show?
Speaker 2: But up ut yesterday, I had never seen being John Malkovich. Now,
Speaker 2: when you say that I can be somebody else, what
Speaker 2: do you mean exactly?
Speaker 5: Well, we mean exactly that we can put you inside
Speaker 5: someone else's body for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: Can I be anybody that I want to be?
Speaker 5: Well, you, actually you can be John Malkovich.
Speaker 1: It's perfect. It's my second choice, but it's wonderful. I'm
Speaker 1: a fat man, i am sad, and I'm two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh oh h yes, yes. Struggling puppeteer Craig Schwartz John
Speaker 1: Kuzak is married to animal rescue at Lottie and almost
Speaker 1: unrecognizable Cameron Diaz. Anxious, insecure, and perhaps a little depressed,
Speaker 1: Craig applies for a filing job at a mysterious company
Speaker 1: located on the seven and a half floor of a
Speaker 1: New York skyscraper. Craig gets the job, falls in love
Speaker 1: with a seemingly unattainable Maxine Katherine Keener, and happens to
Speaker 1: come across a portal into the body of acclaimed actor
Speaker 1: and thespian John Melkovich played by John Malkovich. From a
Speaker 1: script by the enigmatic Charlie Kauffman the feature debut of
Speaker 1: Spike Jones. It's a miracle this film ever got made.
Speaker 1: A puppeteer finds a portal into the body of John Malkovich,
Speaker 1: which allows customers access to Malkovich for fifteen minutes before
Speaker 1: being spat out alongside the new Jersey Turnpike. Yet welcome
Speaker 1: to the world of Charlie Kaufman, Michelle Brazier. Have you
Speaker 1: ever entered the mind of John Malkovich or any celebrity
Speaker 1: for that matter.
Speaker 2: I never have, and you know, watching this, I really
Speaker 2: regretted it. I thought so. The moral of this story
Speaker 2: seems to be that you should enter into John Malkovich
Speaker 2: if you get the chance, nothing will go wrong and
Speaker 2: it will be good. So, yeah, no, I haven't have you.
Speaker 1: No, No, I've come close. When I'm at the door,
Speaker 1: when I'm kneeling down and I go I'll go through
Speaker 1: the portal.
Speaker 2: I'm scared of the slide.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm spooked. I like the there.
Speaker 2: I hate being wet. It looks wet in there.
Speaker 1: It looks wet. Once you get there, it seemed like
Speaker 1: a reasonably pleasant destination.
Speaker 2: That's true. That is true. You know you've got a
Speaker 2: weigh the pros and the.
Speaker 1: Col You certainly do. Michelle, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: being on. You ain't see nothing yet. We've been negotiating this.
Speaker 1: It feels like for quite a while.
Speaker 2: Our text message through it is simply just cancelations and
Speaker 2: reorganizations of doing this podcast.
Speaker 1: Yes, so thank you so much for finally getting here
Speaker 1: and for being in the country, because you've been cheering
Speaker 1: around everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yes, and this is a film.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited because you know, after people say I
Speaker 1: haven't seen this film, I'm like, yeah, okay, then fair enough,
Speaker 1: let's watch that film. But this is when you said
Speaker 1: you hadn't seen being That kind of blew my mind
Speaker 1: a little bit because I would have thought, and you know,
Speaker 1: we'll getting to whether you liked it or not soon,
Speaker 1: but I would have thought this was one of those
Speaker 1: films that maybe would have been like a seminal film
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: I think it should have been, and I I when
Speaker 2: you look at me, you you might conclude that this
Speaker 2: was one of the main ingredients. But I had not
Speaker 2: seen it, which is a shock. But I think I
Speaker 2: thought I thought it was a drama for starters. I
Speaker 2: thought it was a drama. I didn't know it was
Speaker 2: Charlie Kaufman. I didn't know it was Spike Jones. I
Speaker 2: didn't know any of that stuff. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that sounds like I don't know, like one of you
Speaker 2: know that. I put it in the same world as
Speaker 2: like that movie that's about Alan Turing, that drama about
Speaker 2: the guy, you know, the one, Yeah, another one. It's
Speaker 2: not I know everyone's annoyed now, is it. But I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you know, those movies that are probably
Speaker 2: important to see, but like I can't really be bothered
Speaker 2: sitting through the drama of it all. Yeah, that kind
Speaker 2: of that's what I thought it was. I didn't know
Speaker 2: it was just like surreal, absurd, big swing of a film.
Speaker 1: It is a massive swing, and like I said, it's
Speaker 1: and I think it was. You know, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: whether you enjoyed it them not soon. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about your three favorite films. But I think just
Speaker 1: the celebration that this film got made, like it's fantastic.
Speaker 1: It's if you if you did not enjoy the film,
Speaker 1: if you I didn't quite work for me, celebrate the
Speaker 1: fact that this film has got made.
Speaker 2: That somebody said, yeah, somebody said yes, let's make this.
Speaker 2: I love a big swing. I really love a big swing.
Speaker 2: I've really been enjoying them lately. I loved Saltburn. I
Speaker 2: love anything that's just like I'm just going for it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, let's go, let's fucking go.
Speaker 1: That's it. And it's kind up a little bit in
Speaker 1: the podcast recently where you know, people are saying, oh,
Speaker 1: the only movies that have IP get made, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, I can understand that, and Marvel films and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, but there's still like they're still yogist
Speaker 1: making films, and they're still you know, Reuben austronm banking
Speaker 1: on his name you direct or Swedish and they're making
Speaker 1: like still great films, and put On Sanderson is still
Speaker 1: making great films. And there are still and the new
Speaker 1: filmmakers all the time coming through. You can't because they
Speaker 1: can't start with making it a Marvel film or you know,
Speaker 1: Handed the Keys to Barbie or whatever. You still have
Speaker 1: to work out and those those filmmakers have to make
Speaker 1: a making I think, maybe more interesting films.
Speaker 2: I think so well. I mean it's interesting about like
Speaker 2: the Substance, which I also adored, and that was her
Speaker 2: second feature, I believe, but I think also a second
Speaker 2: big swing. I think the first one was also kind
Speaker 2: of a big maybe less of a high concept, but
Speaker 2: also a really big swing. I just am really interested
Speaker 2: in that, Like, yeah, let's just make a really weird thing.
Speaker 2: It is really nice, and people don't go and see it?
Speaker 2: What's that? What was the one before? Kinds of Kindness
Speaker 2: with poor things, poor things? I adored poor things, And
Speaker 2: even if you hated poor things, it's like, well at
Speaker 2: least it's new.
Speaker 1: Well exactly, and you go. I mean, the favorite was amazing,
Speaker 1: and the.
Speaker 2: Lobster favorite was so good.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite of his is so good, and and
Speaker 1: and Ruben Asland the Triangle of Sadness was.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, being in the cinema for Triangle
Speaker 2: of Sadness in that I won't ruin it, but in
Speaker 2: that particular scene and the third Active Triangle of Sadness
Speaker 2: being a completely different film, but maybe the best one
Speaker 2: in the three films.
Speaker 1: Three these three acts in that film, and they all
Speaker 1: feel like different it could potentially be different films. It's
Speaker 1: it's so good enforce measure, Like it's just.
Speaker 2: Everything everywhere all at once. Big swings, swing, big girls,
Speaker 2: let's go keep going.
Speaker 1: Past Lives maybe not the biggest as a swing, but
Speaker 1: still like it's a beautiful original film.
Speaker 2: So that's what I like. I like something that's like
Speaker 2: either Past Lives or the substance. I want to see
Speaker 2: something that is tiny or something that is enormous. I'm
Speaker 2: not interested in the middle at this current moment, in
Speaker 2: my current.
Speaker 1: Life, current life and your next life. Who knows films
Speaker 1: you'll be.
Speaker 2: Into once I'm inside John Malkovich, Oh well, probably be
Speaker 2: into all kinds of different movies.
Speaker 1: The way this podcast episode ends, if you look over
Speaker 1: in the corner the cupboard, this a little slightly a jar.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's actually Roves mind. Actually couldn't, I couldn't
Speaker 1: find them.
Speaker 2: Always wanted to be in.
Speaker 1: I've been so close so many times. Let's so about
Speaker 1: your three favorite films. I'm so glad that Paddington Too.
Speaker 1: I've been raving about Paddington too. I'm doing Peter and
Speaker 1: the Starcatch at the moment, and you know, because there's
Speaker 1: there's twelve actors all hanging out a lot and if
Speaker 1: you hadn't seen Paddington Too, and I know you need to,
Speaker 1: and they had John Batchelor and Paul Captu has had
Speaker 1: no idea that Paddington Too was this actual is genuinely great,
Speaker 1: as is Padington Won, but Paddington too. He's like the
Speaker 1: godfather too of Paddington movies. And he's a genuinely great film.
Speaker 1: And I saw you Grant talking about it on Instagram
Speaker 1: recently and I was look. He said, like it's it's
Speaker 1: considered a letter box is maybe like the most popular, yeah,
Speaker 1: alm or something like that. Yeah, so it is an
Speaker 1: extraordinary film.
Speaker 2: I had one hundred percent on Rotten Tomatoes at least
Speaker 2: when I first watched it for like a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It's so good. It's so beautiful. I love whimsy. I
Speaker 2: when I was picking which movie to say, it was
Speaker 2: between that and Marcel The Shell with Shoes On, because
Speaker 2: I just love that kind of whimsy. I really adore it.
Speaker 2: There's something about the like what we perceive as British nests,
Speaker 2: which I think is actually not real, but the idea
Speaker 2: of Britishness that's very like adds to that. And then
Speaker 2: this beautiful story about this bear who is just very
Speaker 2: kind and the design is stunning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's one of the biggest surprises at
Speaker 1: a cinema that I I mean maybe because I've seen Pennington.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as a supprise the surprise I go the
Speaker 1: first Pennington was like, oh wow, this is this is
Speaker 1: much big. I wasn't going to see it, and then
Speaker 1: I heard all these things you say, and I saw
Speaker 1: it because of the age now where my kids a
Speaker 1: old enough, they're probably not going to come to those
Speaker 1: films with you. There was too good for school for that,
Speaker 1: those kind of films just right now. So you know,
Speaker 1: if I see picks up film and probably watching it
Speaker 1: by myself taking the kids to see picks out films
Speaker 1: the now back in the cinema by.
Speaker 2: Myself, they've aged out and they have an age back
Speaker 2: in exactly.
Speaker 1: And they will age back in. But yeah, so that
Speaker 1: was a surprise. And then to see Patting Them two
Speaker 1: and go, oh, it's even better.
Speaker 2: It was beautiful. By the time I saw Paddington One,
Speaker 2: Paddington two was already out, and Broden Kelly said to me,
Speaker 2: Paddington two is your favorite movie. And I said I
Speaker 2: haven't seen it, and he said, I know, but it's
Speaker 2: your favorite movie. You're going to fucking love it. And
Speaker 2: so I was like, do you have to watch Paddington One.
Speaker 2: He was like, not really, but like it's also really good.
Speaker 2: It's your second favorite movie. And I was like, okay.
Speaker 2: So I went home and I watched the Paddington's and
Speaker 2: I was just daw on the floor. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: saw them at home. I loved them.
Speaker 1: But it's so good if you haven't seen any of
Speaker 1: the Paddington is the third one coming out in the
Speaker 1: New year. Actually, Waiting for Guffman what a film. I mean,
Speaker 1: it feels like a meetings you know very much, you know,
Speaker 1: a comedians kind of film. Yeah, obviously stacked with comedians
Speaker 1: and comic performers, but just just so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so good. I love all the Christopher Guest films.
Speaker 2: I really love A Mighty Wind, which is the folk
Speaker 2: music mockumentary, but I think Waiting for Guffman takes the cake.
Speaker 2: For me because it's about music theater, amateur music theater society,
Speaker 2: and that is just where my heart lives. That's the
Speaker 2: funniest place in the world for me.
Speaker 1: I do try to sometimes make a case because Guffman,
Speaker 1: clearly amongst comedians, seems to be the one that we
Speaker 1: all love because it wasn't necessarily the first obviously spinal
Speaker 1: tap Guffman, but there's a bit of a gap between
Speaker 1: that and Guffin coming out, and it just seems to
Speaker 1: be the one that everyone loves. Best in shows obviously.
Speaker 2: Great, best in shows great. I mean, you can't argument
Speaker 2: there's dogs in it. Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 1: And for your consideration, is underrated. I think as well,
Speaker 1: that's about actors, and I was just coming up and
Speaker 1: trying the lobby and all of that, and I sometimes
Speaker 1: try to make the case for a Mighty Wind or
Speaker 1: in Shah or even for your consideration. But the fact is,
Speaker 1: I think Pam for pound for Guffin is the funniest.
Speaker 2: It's very quotable, like in all the songs. It's just
Speaker 2: a really fabulous pairing of worlds. But I mean saying
Speaker 2: that A Mighty Wind has the most incredible music in
Speaker 2: it like it's really good, genuinely good and really funny.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of I think A Mighty Wind is
Speaker 2: very moving as well. Yeah, like the kiss at the
Speaker 2: end of the Rainbow is very like yeah, oh, like
Speaker 2: I think I've cried a few times in that. Also,
Speaker 2: my favorite comedic moment ever is in In a Mighty Wind
Speaker 2: when they're all someone's died and they're having a minute
Speaker 2: silence for him who's died at the wake, and then
Speaker 2: they're like, actually, can we make it a hum? Can
Speaker 2: everyone do a hum? Because obviously it's like folk music,
Speaker 2: and so they're all humming, and then you hear this
Speaker 2: like ho and it pans around and you get to
Speaker 2: Jennifer Coolidge and she's humming, but her mouth is open
Speaker 2: and it's the most absurd honk. And it's really good shot.
Speaker 2: And that's a really funny reveal. It's just it's my
Speaker 2: that is the main ingredient in Who I Am. I
Speaker 2: think that one scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The term that I always use a lot is
Speaker 1: Fred Willard when he strikes the chair. You want me
Speaker 1: to strike this? I know? Other terms I'm using a
Speaker 1: term in theater or even TV or film. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know the terms another term, but what a collection
Speaker 1: of like Eugene Levy and Katherine o Harr, you know,
Speaker 1: always seem to be coupled together in these films, and yeah,
Speaker 1: just I mean a beautiful mix of talent and all
Speaker 1: just at the top of their game and executing and yeah,
Speaker 1: so good. I could watch I can watch all of
Speaker 1: them if there's In fact, I'm satting to Colin Layne
Speaker 1: recently backstage at the Starcatcher and he had just we
Speaker 1: both actually tuned in for like flicking three channels in
Speaker 1: Besting Show, we're on at the same time without knowing
Speaker 1: it and end up watching like half a best in
Speaker 1: show because it's if it's on, it's hard, it's hard.
Speaker 2: To turn away. So good and you notice new things
Speaker 2: all the time, Yes, because all the actors are so
Speaker 2: good and they're all doing something, so you can watch
Speaker 2: every scene like seven times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you have it, you have a favorite
Speaker 1: like if you like do you have it like a
Speaker 1: favorite actor in that In the Christopher guest World.
Speaker 2: It's really hard. I love Parker Posey, she is great,
Speaker 2: but I think my Catherine, her heart is very hard
Speaker 2: to beat, very very hard to be so.
Speaker 1: Boy, that combination. Yeah, in show whenever, whenever she plays cookie,
Speaker 1: I think it's cookie and and they she keeps on
Speaker 1: bumping into exploit boyfriends, partners, and it's she plays it
Speaker 1: so well, Like the idea is funny, Yeah, but it's not.
Speaker 1: What's funnier is the perform.
Speaker 2: And it's just the sandbox for her. With same with
Speaker 2: Jennifer Coolidge. It's like, hey, we built you this Coolidge playground.
Speaker 2: Now you go. And if anyone else did it, it would
Speaker 2: be like okay, but she does it. It's like brilliant. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just a different world.
Speaker 1: It's so good. One that was I expecting Fast and
Speaker 1: Furious what I saw. I saw a clip of you
Speaker 1: that you posted on Instagram where you had a bit
Speaker 1: of tech issues and tech issues in the show in London. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe, and you.
Speaker 2: Five hundred seats. My agent was there, my mum had
Speaker 2: flown to London. My biggest show ever in London, and
Speaker 2: uh yeah, the tech the tech went to share so you.
Speaker 1: You filled the timing as a text, you know, did
Speaker 1: what text doing and we went to work by this
Speaker 1: running through the Fast.
Speaker 2: And Furious, I was like, I'm going to show you
Speaker 2: the plot of the Fast and the Furious until the
Speaker 2: tech comes back on. It's a long plot.
Speaker 1: I imagine it would have been one of those things
Speaker 1: that you were so enjoyable to watch, you counting Fast
Speaker 1: and Furious. There might have been one or two people
Speaker 1: slightly going how do you transition? You know, you know,
Speaker 1: when you go into a bit of improv or crowd work,
Speaker 1: sometimes it can be hard transition back into the material.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was kind of hard, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to keep gold. I think it was, like, it's
Speaker 2: a shame because it's one of the funniest I've ever
Speaker 2: been on stage. When I watched something, there's footage of it,
Speaker 2: so many people filmed it, and when I look at it,
Speaker 2: I'm like, this was the best I've ever been And
Speaker 2: I can never use this again. But this is not
Speaker 2: helpful to me unless I make one year My comedy
Speaker 2: show is just Michelle Brazier tells you the entire plot
Speaker 2: of The Fast and Furious franchise. You will sell tickets
Speaker 2: cell tickets. But yeah, I love I love The Fast
Speaker 2: and the Furious franchise so much. I love cars, broom, broom,
Speaker 2: I love family.
Speaker 1: It's all about family.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's so I started watching it, ironically
Speaker 2: the whole series, and then by the time I got
Speaker 2: to seven, I was like, sorry, there's something in my
Speaker 2: eye feel kind of crazy. So Furious seven is, like,
Speaker 2: I think, the best one because it's very moving and
Speaker 2: it's like and it's it's a real joy. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like the height of the new school of Fast
Speaker 2: and Furious before it gets too silly and you you know,
Speaker 2: Paul Walker and everything. You know, it's very sad. But
Speaker 2: I also, I can't tell you how much I adored
Speaker 2: ten Fast, ten Your seat Belts. And I thought that one,
Speaker 2: not that it was good, but I thought it was
Speaker 2: really brilliant. Like I thought it was like, this movie
Speaker 2: is not a good film, but this movie is a
Speaker 2: great movie.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like how two thousand and one is not a good
Speaker 2: movie but it's a great film. Does that make sense? Absolutely,
Speaker 2: it's the opposite.
Speaker 1: The movies have popcorn two and there's movies that drink wine.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, And this is more of a vodka cruiser.
Speaker 2: But I just I love the Fast and Furious franchise,
Speaker 2: and I think this is the balance because the first
Speaker 2: one is a good film as well, Like I think
Speaker 2: you make an argument that it's a good film, and
Speaker 2: then it kind of goes a bit, It goes in
Speaker 2: a lot of different ways, and Tokyo Drift is probably
Speaker 2: a good film too, and then five the rockawayn Johnson
Speaker 2: enters and then it becomes this absurd thing where they
Speaker 2: just have this pattern of folding the villain into the
Speaker 2: family the next time, and the lines are so iconic,
Speaker 2: and then we get to seven and we're like yes,
Speaker 2: and then the balance went off, So I say seven,
Speaker 2: but in my heart, I really mean ten. I really
Speaker 2: mean the silliest ones, the silliest bits. I mean like
Speaker 2: Jason Momoa playing a Disney high camp villain, Like that's
Speaker 2: what I love about the franchise.
Speaker 1: What are they up to now? Because I think up
Speaker 1: to ten? So yeah, I saw that. I saw that
Speaker 1: with part one. I saw that if Ross Noble actually
Speaker 1: did you yes, yes, yes, And I hadn't seen one
Speaker 1: for years.
Speaker 2: Oh that would have been so confusing.
Speaker 1: But it was like it was, it was park your
Speaker 1: brain and just enjoy exactly what you're saying. We are
Speaker 1: watching a movie and I'm gonna eat and like we
Speaker 1: actually spoke about it. I said, there's so much craft
Speaker 1: on screen that you don't sometimes, you know, give credit
Speaker 1: to because we used all the shiny stuff. But between
Speaker 1: the stunt driving and the.
Speaker 2: Physical effects and the stunt driving is crazy and people
Speaker 2: don't like In is it seven or six? I can't
Speaker 2: remember which one it is, but in one of them,
Speaker 2: they literally they parachute high performance vehicles out of a
Speaker 2: plane and they did that, and they had Camerman who
Speaker 2: was skydiving in green screen suits. Like filming these cars
Speaker 2: with parachutes, that's crazy. You didn't need to do that. No, No,
Speaker 2: I have a lot of.
Speaker 1: Love for those films and I feel it and I
Speaker 1: feel it and I appreciate it, and you know, I'll
Speaker 1: continue watching Fast and Furious now, please do. I will
Speaker 1: think of you every single time. But let's talk about
Speaker 1: the film. We are here to discuss.
Speaker 3: Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich,
Speaker 3: Much of It Malkovich.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety nine, from the brain of Charlie Kaufman, who
Speaker 1: also would write adaptation You Turn on Sunshine on the
Speaker 1: Spotless mind, Spike Jones, who would also make adaptation and
Speaker 1: her starring John Cusack, John Malkovich, of course, Catherine Keener,
Speaker 1: Kareron Diaz sel Bras. Did you enjoy being John Malkovich?
Speaker 2: I loved this film.
Speaker 1: I am so glad. I mean I was confident, but
Speaker 1: you never know, you never know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I adored this film. I thought it was incredible.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe I hadn't seen it. The first ten minutes,
Speaker 2: I was like, I hate this guy. I hope we're
Speaker 2: supposed to hate this guy. And then I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: we're allowed. We're meant to hate the guy. That's great
Speaker 2: that he's the villain. But it was such a joy.
Speaker 2: It was and I love the idea of Cameron Diaz
Speaker 2: being like, oh, how do we make her yack? Or
Speaker 2: what if we give her frizzy hair? She's still so.
Speaker 1: Beautiful, absolutely beautiful that the first ten or so minutes,
Speaker 1: they the way they like her is really like they
Speaker 1: almost you couldn't tell it was. Yeah, they deliberately letting
Speaker 1: you adjust. They wanted a moment where you might go, oh,
Speaker 1: that's actually Cameron Das. They hold off on it, yeho.
Speaker 1: They they kind of their faces lit particularly well in
Speaker 1: the first or ten minutes or so. But yeah, everyone
Speaker 1: is so good in this movie, so good.
Speaker 2: And the character Maxine, she was amazing, what an incredible character.
Speaker 1: Well, Katherine Keener apparently did not like the character, like
Speaker 1: like she found it difficult to play. But I agree.
Speaker 1: And I'm surprised when I read that because I think
Speaker 1: it's such a ballsy kind of She's so funny, so funny,
Speaker 1: she just like doesn't give a fuck. Yeah, you know, sexy,
Speaker 1: she's just like funny, like all of it, all of it.
Speaker 1: So I was surprised that she maybe struggled, maybe because
Speaker 1: she's maybe nothing like that in person. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I thought, you know, I remember seeing this film
Speaker 1: going my first Catherine Keener experience. I think when I
Speaker 1: saw this film, I was like, who's that? And she's amazing?
Speaker 1: And then you know, there are so many things. I'm
Speaker 1: sure where we want to you know, kind of start, but.
Speaker 2: How do you even dive in the surrealist lesbian rom
Speaker 2: com set inside of John Malcovic.
Speaker 1: Metaphysical jaunt of a movie like the idea? I think
Speaker 1: one of the reasons it works is because it's a
Speaker 1: weird idea, yes, and everyone wants, you know, love to
Speaker 1: talk about how weird the idea is, but it feels
Speaker 1: they find a way to make it feel you're not
Speaker 1: questioning it.
Speaker 2: They don't try to explain it. And I think that's
Speaker 2: the thing with sci fi. You just don't. You don't
Speaker 2: say this is how, You just say, yeah, this is what.
Speaker 1: It's. And it's such a It takes a lot of craft.
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of balls as well, because you
Speaker 1: are when you're making easy you know, when you're making
Speaker 1: something you don't know, you know you can, You're asking
Speaker 1: people and you're getting feedback from people around you, and
Speaker 1: maybe you do test screenings, but you don't know. Is
Speaker 1: it's that when you do a twist sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: I've done a few things like episodes of TV where
Speaker 1: is a twist and you kind to go people spotting
Speaker 1: the twist. I don't know, I'm too close to it.
Speaker 1: You'll be asking yourself the question. It's a pissing people
Speaker 1: laugh that they we haven't explained what this is. Those
Speaker 1: questions would have been discussed by Spike Jones and Charlie Kaufman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to learn so much about the making
Speaker 2: of this film. Yeah, and the different versions. I'd love
Speaker 2: to read the first draft of this.
Speaker 1: Oh well, apparently like the first it was much longer.
Speaker 1: The people who were trying to get in on and
Speaker 1: getting to the vessel, that is John Malkovich I, the
Speaker 1: elder elderly people were trying to take over the world,
Speaker 1: and there was like Satan was kind of a part
Speaker 1: of it. From what I've read, it sounds like we
Speaker 1: got to the right movie of the version, the right
Speaker 1: version of the movie. Yeah. But also I think like
Speaker 1: it starts off, there's so many like weird things going
Speaker 1: on with Lottie has every animal under the sun in a.
Speaker 2: Chimpanzee, and that has hard to watch now in through
Speaker 2: our current lens, like to be like, oh, what happened
Speaker 2: to that chimpanzee? And why is it so close to
Speaker 2: that dog?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you kind of also, I mean credit, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if I'll be jumping in the cage with
Speaker 1: the chimpanzee on a film set crazy.
Speaker 2: Have you seen chimp crazy?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah. First starters, don't put the
Speaker 2: chimp through that. Secondly, that's Cameron Dias. Be careful with it.
Speaker 2: It's really important.
Speaker 1: Came these these precious yeah. Yeah, and then you've got
Speaker 1: the seven and a half floor, and you've got this.
Speaker 2: Speech in love that was so funny.
Speaker 1: It was so funny.
Speaker 2: And and the woman in the fucking Lift.
Speaker 1: School Winner, Octavia Spencer.
Speaker 2: The cameos in this film were in incredible. Yes, Isaac
Speaker 2: Hanson is in the audience at one point watching John
Speaker 2: Malkovich puppeteer. It was so good.
Speaker 1: The Sean penn One was a particular favorite of mine.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Anderson is just visible off screen. Yeah, she's got
Speaker 1: almost a head turn, so it's only you wouldn't know,
Speaker 1: but it is. Jennifer Anderson was during Jenfees. David Fincher
Speaker 1: is Christopher Bing but he's like talking about you know,
Speaker 1: the effect that John Horatio Malcovich. My favorite fact in
Speaker 1: this movie is that John Horatio Malcovich his middle name
Speaker 1: is not Horatio even that, and I love that giving
Speaker 1: him that because it sounds like it might be John's
Speaker 1: middle name, but his middle name and I love this
Speaker 1: is Gavin Gavin, John, John Gavin. You could give me
Speaker 1: a thousand guesses as to what John Malkovich's middle name was,
Speaker 1: and Gavin.
Speaker 2: Would not have come at once, No, neither.
Speaker 1: That is amazing. And you've got You've got lester, who's
Speaker 1: got this not speech impediment which is gone?
Speaker 2: That was so funny.
Speaker 1: Play Secretary, play there by Mary kay Placer we know
Speaker 1: from the Big Chill and then she's amazing and you
Speaker 1: can watch it and you can kind of go, oh,
Speaker 1: these are just jokes. And you got the video as
Speaker 1: the why as the why the Let's have a listen
Speaker 1: to the history of the seven and a half floor.
Speaker 4: Captain Merton, once you got a child, I'm not a child,
Speaker 4: but rather than an ould lady, a miniature proportions.
Speaker 6: See, well there was charity after become.
Speaker 4: Follow I'm not asking for all, Captain, but rather the
Speaker 4: year of a kind man. What's a normal heart?
Speaker 5: Well, speak to Captain Merton.
Speaker 4: I'm afraid that the world was not built with me
Speaker 4: and mine. Doorknobs are too high, chairs are unreally, and
Speaker 4: high ceiling rooms mock my stature. Why cannot there be
Speaker 4: a place for me to work in safe and comfort?
Speaker 6: The story is movement like the other. Therefore I shall
Speaker 6: make you mean wife, and they should build a floor
Speaker 6: for you between the between the seventh and the eighth
Speaker 6: and the old building, so at least there'll be one
Speaker 6: place in God's Green eart good you and you're a
Speaker 6: cursed kink living piece.
Speaker 2: I love him as the Irish like explore a or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's not Irish, really good, foul devil.
Speaker 1: But it's so so it's easy to look at these
Speaker 1: and go, oh, they just they almost feel like a
Speaker 1: bit like their sketches on my Like, you know, this
Speaker 1: movie works with with that the seven and a half
Speaker 1: floor and the speech impediment and all these things that
Speaker 1: even the chimp, we see his memory of being you know.
Speaker 2: Oh my god being, Yeah, taken from the jungle.
Speaker 1: Taken from the jungle. And his name's the same name
Speaker 1: that Lordie. So it's like it's like the parents have
Speaker 1: actually given him the name and then it's been adopted
Speaker 1: by Camery has. But the reason is Charlie Coffin knows
Speaker 1: he needs to build a culture in this film, a
Speaker 1: world that so when we get to the Portal, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem as weird as it would be in the
Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon nineties kind of romantic comedy. Yeah, like we're
Speaker 1: in conditioned. He's conditioning us to kind of go this
Speaker 1: world is a bit off center, yes, you know, And
Speaker 1: funnily enough, I was watching a BAFT speech that Charliekavin
Speaker 1: gave last night. Didn't give it last night. I was
Speaker 1: watching it last night and he spoke about when you
Speaker 1: write your scripts, you need to have your world needs
Speaker 1: to feel consistent, and I was going, well, that's it,
Speaker 1: that's what I've been thinking about. That's why all these
Speaker 1: things are happening. So when we get to the portal
Speaker 1: into John mccolmich's mind, which is a fucking back crazy
Speaker 1: idea that we feel like this could happen in this.
Speaker 2: World because everybody believes him as well. When he discovers
Speaker 2: the portal, everybody goes, oh.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: They don't challenge him, they don't worry that he's sick.
Speaker 2: They go okay, yeah, yeah, which is amazing.
Speaker 1: Because it'll be the temptation for somebody to kind of
Speaker 1: resist it and kind of go and then use that
Speaker 1: as a way of feeding the audience and explanation as
Speaker 1: to why this could possibly Just like you said earlier,
Speaker 1: we love that they don't. They don't. And because sometimes
Speaker 1: you risk when you explain that, people going oh that
Speaker 1: doesn't hold up. Yeah, so don't explain it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't explain it. I just don't just don't try.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love sci fi that just goes.
Speaker 2: It's this shut up, yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: And what I love about sci fi as well, there's
Speaker 1: different ways you can dole. Like Christopher Nolan does movies.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously Interstellar and and Inception, which are metaphysical
Speaker 1: and but there is, it feels like there is a
Speaker 1: lot of explaining going on there is. He's trying to
Speaker 1: kind of reach a place where you can trace some
Speaker 1: thought to be possible.
Speaker 2: But I actually don't like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this version.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever I'm watching Christopher Nolan films, I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm being left behind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm always like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't twelve maths. Can we just shut up?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think Tenant. I was lost twelve minutes in
Speaker 1: and I never regained my footing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too hard. Yeah, it's too much. I remember
Speaker 2: leaving like Interstellar and be like I get it, and
Speaker 2: then now I can't remember anything about the film because
Speaker 2: I spent the entire film being like, oh okay, like
Speaker 2: trying to understand rather than like feeling anything for the
Speaker 2: characters or anything. Yeah, it's like, so wait what Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my dog just sneezed. I forgot she's here.
Speaker 1: I've got the beautiful retired guy dog. Eva Eva, Eva
Speaker 1: asked about to Ali, But it's Eva. Did you watch
Speaker 1: being John Makovic with Eva? I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she sat on the couch and she watched it,
Speaker 2: enjoyed it, she loved it. Yeah, she only went to
Speaker 2: sleep a few times, so that's pretty good for her.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Yeah, dogs sleep most of the day,
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 1: How good is the performance, by the way, and they're
Speaker 1: all so good. But John Malkovich, he comes onto this project,
Speaker 1: he hears about it through again, we're going to celebrate
Speaker 1: the fact this movie got made by a first time
Speaker 1: director and the first time rider. That's it's it's not
Speaker 1: like people with all these experiences behind us. So they
Speaker 1: went okay, and with names that don't traditionally sell movies.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kuzak and Malcovich were coming off conn Air together.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's not enough to necessarily get a movie.
Speaker 1: Mate got into the hands of Francis Wold Coppola, who
Speaker 1: is who knows it's going to get passed around, And
Speaker 1: obviously his daughter is Sophia Coppler. She's married to Spike Jones.
Speaker 1: He gets a script and is like, so Francs for
Speaker 1: a couple, I think did a little bit of pushing it.
Speaker 1: You know the script. You should met the Spike Jones,
Speaker 1: but John Malcovich. They pictured this with John Malkovich and
Speaker 1: he met with Charlie Cafran and said, how about this is?
Speaker 1: He read the first thirty pages and went, this is stunning,
Speaker 1: like this is this guy's got talent and he said,
Speaker 1: how about you? Yeah, but nobody's going to make this film.
Speaker 1: So how about we're working on some Howard Hawk's film.
Speaker 1: Do you want to come on and help us rewrite that?
Speaker 1: And he said no, I'm not interested in doing that.
Speaker 1: He said, okay, how about we try to get this
Speaker 1: film but we change the John Malkovich character and I
Speaker 1: I'll direct it. He said, no, I'm not interested in that.
Speaker 1: He said, okay, well, no worries. They left and for
Speaker 1: some other I'm sure why, I think. Then he met
Speaker 1: Spike Jones. I think Frenchville Copler step and said you
Speaker 1: need to meet with Spike Jones. We're all gonna be
Speaker 1: working with it for him one day, and he met
Speaker 1: with him and was impressed enough and came back on board.
Speaker 1: But I think he thought that he saw the opportunity
Speaker 1: to direct, and he thought, if I'm going to direct,
Speaker 1: I think me directing me in that role is too much.
Speaker 1: It's too much. So I think that's why. And there
Speaker 1: are other producers who recommended, like how about it's being
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt or bring being Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking about that. I was like, it's
Speaker 2: so shocking that it's John Malkovich. Yeah, and it's so
Speaker 2: good that it's John.
Speaker 1: So who's John Malkovich to you? Like, like do you
Speaker 1: like how much are you aware of like who he
Speaker 1: is when you see the name being John Malkovich? What
Speaker 1: was like film references and you have a type in mind,
Speaker 1: did you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean maybe it's Connair or like character actor villain,
Speaker 2: like camp kind of silly gravitas man.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's that's really good. And I think
Speaker 1: even in nineteen ninety nine he was because he's done
Speaker 1: like dangerous for the Aisons and he was like you know,
Speaker 1: Oscar based a Thespian and a serious, a serious guy.
Speaker 1: Conye kind of was you know slightly that kind of
Speaker 1: shocked everyone. That was like and he you know that
Speaker 1: was a money job, obviously, And he tells a story
Speaker 1: of he was working with his like quite learned English
Speaker 1: playwright and somebody, an assistant came in and gave him
Speaker 1: the latest Conna Air script and he looked at it
Speaker 1: and he just threw out over his shoulder. And the
Speaker 1: playwright said, do you mind much if I've ever read
Speaker 1: a Hollywood script, do you mind if I just take
Speaker 1: it home and have a read of it? And he goes, sure, sure, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and he took it home and the next day he
Speaker 1: came back and he said, mister Malcolm, I just only
Speaker 1: decided I read the script last night for Connair, and
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you have got your principles and that
Speaker 1: you're not doing you know, like this, and he gaes,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I just I just don't need to
Speaker 1: read it.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm taking the six million dollars and I'm I'm definitely
Speaker 1: doing the film. But yeah, so he was like, it's
Speaker 1: really interesting when you like, would this film be as
Speaker 1: fun if it was being Tom Cruise? Like, No, I
Speaker 1: think there is something it would feel sketchy.
Speaker 2: I think you have to be funny. It has to
Speaker 2: be a character actor. Yeah, it has to be somebody
Speaker 2: like that. It could be like being John c Riley.
Speaker 2: It could be being John Leguizamo, any of the Johns.
Speaker 2: But it can't be Brad Pitt. Yeah, it's boring. That's
Speaker 2: a different movie. And Tom Cruise, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: love Tom Cruise in Magnolia and everything else. I'm like, okay, sure, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm a Cruise fan, I think, but I just don't
Speaker 1: think this is as in or as funny. Even though
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise, I'm sure if he agreed to do it,
Speaker 1: would jump in with both feet and he'd have fun
Speaker 1: and have fun and be happy to take the piss
Speaker 1: and all that. But I just think this was such
Speaker 1: a surprising choice and the fact that he said yes
Speaker 1: to it, and that we hadn't really seen I don't
Speaker 1: think i'd seen Malviich do comedy up until this point.
Speaker 1: And he was just so good. Not only was he
Speaker 1: so good when he was kind of being himself as this,
Speaker 1: like you know, up himself thespian. Yeah, but then when
Speaker 1: he when Kuzak inhabits him, it becomes like this, he's
Speaker 1: so funny.
Speaker 2: He's so funny, just in that one scene where he
Speaker 2: goes inside himself and then in the restaurant everybody is
Speaker 2: him and just to like look around that table. God,
Speaker 2: I would have loved to have been on set to
Speaker 2: see what he did. All those little improv bits, all
Speaker 2: those little all the characters he played that were John
Speaker 2: Malkovich were amazing. That was like, this is the man.
Speaker 2: Now we've seen We've seen you do all of these
Speaker 2: characters that you did for two seconds each in this scene,
Speaker 2: and that was really exciting to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that. Yeah, and because he also got the
Speaker 1: Kusak's character's kind of voice and these mannerisms, and when
Speaker 1: he's looking at his body, goes, why couldn't I have
Speaker 1: found a younger body? Or and he has what if
Speaker 1: I fall over and break a hip? Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 2: He's also like forty three, and they're talking about like
Speaker 2: how old he is. I think he was forty six
Speaker 2: when the movie came out. Yeah, they're talking about how
Speaker 2: old he is. A he does look so much older
Speaker 2: than forty three. I think a combination of I guess
Speaker 2: that it was the nineties, but maybe like just the
Speaker 2: way his hair is, with the sort of hair on
Speaker 2: the side but nothing in the middle, and he hasn't
Speaker 2: shaved it. But it is crazy the way that they're
Speaker 2: talking about age. And even the man who comes in
Speaker 2: and is like, I'm a fat man. I was like,
Speaker 2: you're a medium sized man. Men are bigger.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Everything is way different now we're all really young and
Speaker 2: also really big. That's cultural difference. I also really loved
Speaker 2: the agent when he walks in and keeps repeating sorry
Speaker 2: about the counter at reception. Oh my god, I couldn't
Speaker 2: believe I was. I wrote it down. I was like,
Speaker 2: that's so fucking funny.
Speaker 1: All they've done is like they've gone, mister Malcolvich is
Speaker 1: here to see you, and they've gone, what don't keep
Speaker 1: him waiting? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sorry about the content reception.
Speaker 1: I do love when they go in and he just accepted, Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: let's make a few calls.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not an actor anymore. I'm a puppeteer. Yeah, okay, great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also set up early that puppeteering is
Speaker 1: a bit of a thing without these the great mantein.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Great Mantini's like logo with his hand
Speaker 2: is really funny. I really liked that.
Speaker 1: So all the little details I add like the video
Speaker 1: that we listened to early about the seven and a
Speaker 1: half floor and the it's a sixty minute style story
Speaker 1: that goes ahead and that's when we see, yeah, you
Speaker 1: Brad Pitts and Sean Penn's all those little details are
Speaker 1: so well done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so it's so funny.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 2: And at the end of it, where they're talking, where
Speaker 2: they're like talking about Maxine withdrawing from him, they're just
Speaker 2: saying these personal things that they would not know, and
Speaker 2: he's just watching it and he's like, Okay, it's finished,
Speaker 2: Like it's really really, really absurd and really funny.
Speaker 1: Did you know do you ever know where it was going?
Speaker 1: Did you ever kind of have a hope that you
Speaker 1: hope this happened or that happened, or do you just no?
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of had no idea. I wanted
Speaker 2: the girl to get together, and that was all I wanted.
Speaker 2: And I just hated that guy, the JOHNK He said,
Speaker 2: what was his name, I don't remember his name.
Speaker 1: But I Craig Schwartz.
Speaker 2: Craig Schwartz. Yeah, I hated him. And I was worried
Speaker 2: about the chimpanzee, and other than that, I've just along
Speaker 2: for the ride. Like I was just like, yeah, let's go,
Speaker 2: let's see what happens. I still don't really understand how
Speaker 2: so many people are inside of John Malkovitt and they
Speaker 2: lived for a long time, but like, yeah, let's let's
Speaker 2: absolutely go. And then I guess the guy is in
Speaker 2: charge because he's married his receptionist that he loves. You
Speaker 2: can't understand.
Speaker 1: Him, can listen of the speech issues first come out?
Speaker 7: Damn fine, woman Flores. I don't know how she puts
Speaker 7: up with a speech impediment of mind.
Speaker 5: You don't have a speech impediment, doctor, lest.
Speaker 7: Flattery, We'll get you everywhere, my boy, I'm afraid I
Speaker 7: have to trust Flores on that one. She's got her
Speaker 7: doctorate in speech impedimentology from Case Western. I apologize if
Speaker 7: you can't understand the word I'm saying.
Speaker 3: No, I understand perfectly.
Speaker 7: It's very kind of a lie, lonely and my isolated
Speaker 7: tower of indecipherable speech.
Speaker 1: That's awesome being playing Lest. He's so.
Speaker 2: It's so good, and it's she's so funny because that's
Speaker 2: the first time I've said I think that's the first
Speaker 2: of that joke, because you see that joke all the time.
Speaker 2: But it was the first time, and it felt so
Speaker 2: contemporary for just this woman to be like, I have
Speaker 2: no idea what you're saying. Yeah, and he's speaking so clearly,
Speaker 2: and she's like, I can't hear it's a thing you're saying,
Speaker 2: Like this could be a sketch today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So clearly it felt like for me because I
Speaker 1: saw this when it came out and ceter In fact,
Speaker 1: I saw a preview of it in the same week.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Yes, I saw it in the same week.
Speaker 1: I saw American Beauty in both both in nineteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the great movie ins cling Intentions, The Matrix Magnolia.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Sich sense.
Speaker 2: Fu ninety ninety nine was so good.
Speaker 1: Ninety nine. There's a book I've got called ninety nine
Speaker 1: nine best movie year ever. It is extraordinary, extraordinary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they witch really Fantom Menace, which he has
Speaker 1: its own little place in history.
Speaker 2: Star Wars fans, there is nothing that Star Wars fans
Speaker 2: hate more than Star Wars.
Speaker 1: God, I love any Star Wars you can give me.
Speaker 1: If you're a Star Wars fan who gets upset about
Speaker 1: Star Wars, maybe something to move on.
Speaker 2: Maybe you don't like Star Wars exactly.
Speaker 1: Maybe you've grown out of it. Shut up, shut up.
Speaker 1: I agree so hard with the vessel. There was the
Speaker 1: only time where I was like, I don't quite and
Speaker 1: I got to the same points. And I've probably seen
Speaker 1: his half a dozen times. We're going to go on,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't care, I don't care. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm going to go through the fact there
Speaker 1: is a portal. Yeah, I can believe that there's a
Speaker 1: group of people who are just and all of these
Speaker 1: there's a group of people who are trying to live forever.
Speaker 1: John Malgovic is Noah's ark.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm happy to suspend my disbelief for that.
Speaker 2: That makes sense to.
Speaker 1: Me, It makes absolute sense.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it, and it didn't hit
Speaker 2: us over the head. You know the way that filmmaking
Speaker 2: works now. And I just did this like screenwriting thing
Speaker 2: with Screenustralia in New York and was working with all
Speaker 2: these amazing screenwriters and you know, writing things myself and
Speaker 2: getting things, trying to get things made, and everyone just
Speaker 2: keeps saying it has to be second screenable, so you
Speaker 2: have to keep pointing to things. And I noticed this
Speaker 2: in the substance. Have you seen Substance?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh it's great, But there's just so many things
Speaker 2: that she reads the instructions, and then we just keep
Speaker 2: seeing flashbacks of the instructions, and I was like, if
Speaker 2: this movie was made twenty years ago, we would not
Speaker 2: need to see these But because of the second screen
Speaker 2: of everything, which literally means, can you understand this film
Speaker 2: if you have a second screen in your hand?
Speaker 1: Right to ask, I thought you meant like to watch
Speaker 1: it the second time.
Speaker 2: No, it means your audience will be on their phone,
Speaker 2: so you have to tell them everything way more. You
Speaker 2: have to be so clear. It has to be so clear,
Speaker 2: and I hate it. It's I think it's going to
Speaker 2: ruin filmmaking, like it really and TV for a while,
Speaker 2: and then we'll go back, you know. I think it's
Speaker 2: a it'll be a misstep that we we take and
Speaker 2: then we'll move away from it. And there will always
Speaker 2: be people who don't bend to that. But for people
Speaker 2: like us, it's like, Okay, sure, I'll put in a
Speaker 2: little scene where she remembers the thing again, even though
Speaker 2: we've seen that scene and it feels so naff and
Speaker 2: so cliche. But like they need it.
Speaker 1: That is so awful, because who are we making films for?
Speaker 6: On?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 1: Are we making films for the distracted? And what? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where do people go who want to watch an invest
Speaker 1: in the film? Now, I admit sometimes, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I've gone to the habit. Sometimes I've had my phone
Speaker 1: on me when I'm watching films at home. But I
Speaker 1: still I get to the cinema enough.
Speaker 2: I would never have my phone on in the cinema, no, exactly,
Speaker 2: So I don't really do it at home either. I
Speaker 2: try to just put it, put it in the kitchen
Speaker 2: and just sit down. Yeah, no one needs me now,
Speaker 2: It's going to be fine.
Speaker 1: It's something I'm trying to work on of having my
Speaker 1: phone just away from me. And when I'm doing this podcast,
Speaker 1: usually I watched the film as a without the phone
Speaker 1: just wash over me, and I'll watch it again with
Speaker 1: the phone and I might be writing notes and I
Speaker 1: might be writing observations and all of that. So, yes,
Speaker 1: that is horrifying encouraged. Yeah, I mean being John Macavich
Speaker 1: is such a funnies because after this came out, everyone
Speaker 1: was trying to go become Charlie Kauffman. Everyone like you
Speaker 1: imagine everyone going, well, let's let's not follow the rules. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I remember I went to a McGee McGee McKee
Speaker 1: conference and he was saying, you're saying this. He goes,
Speaker 1: you need to know the rules before you can break
Speaker 1: the rules.
Speaker 2: This is after or before adaptation.
Speaker 1: This is around the time. Weird because Brian Cox flays
Speaker 1: in adaptation, and he goes, Charlie Coffin, do not have
Speaker 1: a shred of doubt. He knows the rules inside out
Speaker 1: for him to break the rules.
Speaker 2: I think that's true, and I think that that's something
Speaker 2: that's really interesting. Sorry to interrupt you there, but I
Speaker 2: think I find a lot of like young comedians will
Speaker 2: say to me like, can you help me with my show?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do that. I'm like, yeah, I'd love
Speaker 2: to help you. My first note is always go and
Speaker 2: see as much as you can, not just comedy theater, art,
Speaker 2: Go see films, Go see all of these things you're
Speaker 2: writing about this issue, Go read these books like this
Speaker 2: is what you want to be looking at. And they'll go, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't really want to like do the stuff that's
Speaker 2: been done before. And I'll go that's great. I can't
Speaker 2: actually help you if you're not interested in this, I
Speaker 2: actually can't help you because you can't just enter in
Speaker 2: and think that you're going to be able to do
Speaker 2: this and be really clever. The reason this is really
Speaker 2: clever is because it's come from a place of going, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: this is how we normally do it. What if we xyz?
Speaker 2: It's like you you don't get into a car and
Speaker 2: not know what the steering wheel is. Like you might
Speaker 2: want to design a new car, but you probably need
Speaker 2: to know about an engine. Yes, you just need to
Speaker 2: know about storytelling, and people just kind of don't.
Speaker 1: And it's so important. I think to be a consumer
Speaker 1: and be an audience member, and you know, I love
Speaker 1: going to see other shows and whether it be comedy
Speaker 1: or you know. And this reminds myself the feeling of
Speaker 1: walking in to the you know, and I consider my
Speaker 1: music my house music that I'm playing before the show, like.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, when people when people just so
Speaker 2: clearly have not considered it, I'm just like, you didn't
Speaker 2: give a fuck about how I feel at all. Five
Speaker 2: I paid thirty bucks.
Speaker 1: My favorite story goes back many many years. I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's changed now. But my good friend Dave Hughes. It's
Speaker 1: before I started doing comedy and I was doing community
Speaker 1: radio and I interviewed him on community radio and he
Speaker 1: gave his mate, He's went the backstage room, which is
Speaker 1: a sixty seat room at the town Hall in Melbourne,
Speaker 1: and he said, may, if you want to bring some
Speaker 1: friends in line, may I've got plenty of seats, bring
Speaker 1: some giveaway tickets. So I did a bit of that
Speaker 1: and I saw him at in the Peter Cook Bar
Speaker 1: afterwards and I said, Ah, the house music or the
Speaker 1: music he's walk on music was don't Dream It's over
Speaker 1: by crowded house. I said, it was an interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: song selection to walk onto like it was. I thought
Speaker 1: there might have been like a theme for the show
Speaker 1: or somebody gets nah. It was the only tape I
Speaker 1: had in the car.
Speaker 2: The only tape I had in the car. Wow, that's
Speaker 2: really really sure.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sure he's changed his attitude, was it?
Speaker 2: But I think he has now. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: he's somebody who really does the work.
Speaker 1: Which is no doubt about that. But I now I
Speaker 1: I will consider the volume that I want the music,
Speaker 1: playing the songs thematically how and it might not be
Speaker 1: you know, obvious to anyone, anyone in the audience, but
Speaker 1: it's like, I know the reasons I'm playing these songs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just also it reminds you that when you're sitting
Speaker 1: in a room about to watch a comedy show that
Speaker 1: you want to like it. You know, sometimes you are backstage,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go this this credit they don't they're not
Speaker 1: here for me, or they don't they're not you know,
Speaker 1: they've been dragged along or something. Yeah, your brain plays
Speaker 1: this will trick on you that nobody who's there, who's
Speaker 1: paid money that comes see actually wants to enjoy it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, you you sit in an audience and there might
Speaker 1: be you know, a very small percentage of people in
Speaker 1: that audience who might have been you might not have
Speaker 1: been their first choice, you know, like you know, their
Speaker 1: girlfriend won and they now they're there. But people are
Speaker 1: there to enjoy the show. So there's even those things
Speaker 1: to remind yourself what it's like to be an audience member.
Speaker 1: I think is really important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really important. I don't know, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get really up in arms about that stuff. Go
Speaker 2: see things, Go.
Speaker 1: See things out there. One of the other things that
Speaker 1: I think makes this film win as well. Is the idea.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's quite subversive and all that, but it's a
Speaker 1: very simple like we all have a fascination I guess
Speaker 1: with celebrity, but also there's other people you know, and
Speaker 1: maybe now more than ever with with you know, social media,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not just celebrities, it's you know, there's
Speaker 1: a new brand of celebrities with influences and Instagram and
Speaker 1: it's like the idea that their life is better of
Speaker 1: mine and if if only I could have that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's no, yaf they're in Machovich's brain for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not a coincidence. If Andy Warhol spoke
Speaker 1: about the fifte minutes. Yeah, I think you can have
Speaker 1: a subversive in Vernakoma's weird idea, but I still think
Speaker 1: it needs to have a thread of logic, yeah, behind it.
Speaker 2: And I think and it's about something, it's.
Speaker 1: About something exactly, And I think I think this is
Speaker 1: about something. I think it's about you know, people's that
Speaker 1: they're not enough and they want to be something more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's just yeah, and the
Speaker 2: only people who end up happy really in the end
Speaker 2: of the the people who just go, Okay, well this
Speaker 2: is who we are, and then they have this daughter
Speaker 2: together and they're like this nice couple and it's so lovely. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, just be yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so lovely and kind of like you know when
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz Lottie first goes in and she you know,
Speaker 1: she talks about maybe being or she.
Speaker 2: Got the language even is like, oh, this is fine,
Speaker 2: Like this is somehow fine.
Speaker 1: I was watching going, oh, is this a bit that
Speaker 1: I forgot? That's going to be a bit like oh
Speaker 1: twenty five years later, but it's like respects Chelia Kaufman like, ye,
Speaker 1: there's nothing to my years at least, and.
Speaker 2: You know, to mine, and you know, as a youth,
Speaker 2: I my years prick up. Yeah yeah, yeh, you know
Speaker 2: you do you go, oh it's the nineties. But I
Speaker 2: didn't find you know, I think instead of saying I
Speaker 2: think I'm transsexual, she said I'm a transsexual. But that
Speaker 2: was it, and she's just like I'm going to go
Speaker 2: talk to the doctor about it. And then the other
Speaker 2: girl was like, don't leave, you know, let let her
Speaker 2: do it. Sorry him, Like it's so nice. It's really
Speaker 2: lovely the way they approach it and then she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's not that I'm just gay, but like, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: Lovely but yeah, because even then it's like, yeah, she's
Speaker 1: just figuring, she's she's been, you know, she's had this
Speaker 1: new experience and she's now questioning things and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: curious and experimenting, and that's that's part of the jour you.
Speaker 2: Know, exactly, lovely, so good.
Speaker 1: Let's let's been a little bit of Maxine. I do
Speaker 1: like Maxine. And one of the things again, John cuzx
Speaker 1: Haarator Craig is so unlikable. It's weird when he's married
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he's asking this woman on
Speaker 1: the date on basically his first day in the which
Speaker 1: is kind of creepy and weird. She goes along, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she goes along with it, which is you do kind
Speaker 1: of go not exactly sure why you would go along.
Speaker 2: With it, But at the same time she's morally so dubious,
Speaker 2: but she behaves like a man.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Let's have listened to the asking of the date.
Speaker 5: Hi, do you know that I don't even know your
Speaker 5: name or where you work?
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, how about this if I can guess your
Speaker 7: name at three tries.
Speaker 5: You have to come have a drink with me tonight?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 3: Okay if you look like a.
Speaker 5: Bad call the shell? Who mar seen Macine?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who told you?
Speaker 5: Nobody told me? Came out? Don't you think that? Isn't
Speaker 5: that odd?
Speaker 1: I love I love it something because you know he's
Speaker 1: just playing all those tricks are going. Can you believe
Speaker 1: that we don't I don't know your names?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we've known for one day. I
Speaker 2: also love I noticed it in this scene how the
Speaker 2: space is not like as encroaching on her as it
Speaker 2: is on him. Obviously he's taller than her, and she's
Speaker 2: just kind of fine in the space, Like she's always
Speaker 2: sort of sitting, she's always holding herself in a good way.
Speaker 2: She's like perched on something, and she doesn't look crouched.
Speaker 2: He's always hunched over. And I think she's the only
Speaker 2: person who can exist in that space and not look crazy.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point because the same way that
Speaker 1: he comes in and she's sitting on the floor, I
Speaker 1: think there's having a smoke on the floor and yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely right, she never looks cramped. That's really Oh my god.
Speaker 2: The scene where she comes over to their house for dinner,
Speaker 2: to Cameron Dias his house for dinner with him.
Speaker 1: Ash the ash.
Speaker 2: The cigarette is like just like four inches of ash.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's like you do take out the takeout,
Speaker 1: like was it just one take that they just that
Speaker 1: was when they used.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. Is it deliberate? What is it? I
Speaker 2: want to talk about it. I'm like, how did you
Speaker 2: do that? How is it structurally? Staying up? I loved
Speaker 2: it so much, but I sort.
Speaker 1: To think the same thing. Is it deliberate? And then
Speaker 1: what does it mean? I we gotta talk about Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, John Melgovich, it was written as Kevin Bacon
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure I couldn't do it or yeah,
Speaker 1: but John Malkovich suggested didn't know particularly well Charlie Sheen,
Speaker 1: but suggested Charlie Sheen, which is a great fucking suggestion,
Speaker 1: because again, the idea of making this about being John
Speaker 1: Malkovich is brilliant. And what's even more brilliant that his
Speaker 1: best friend is Charlie Sheen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like that's not his friend. That's funny
Speaker 2: that he didn't even know him that well. No, that's
Speaker 2: really funny. I wonder what period of Charlie Sheen this was,
Speaker 2: like what times?
Speaker 1: This is pre Tiger Blood? Yeah right, that was such
Speaker 1: a weird. That was such a weird time Scott was
Speaker 1: like hanging out with him. Yeah, weird Tiger Blood.
Speaker 2: And he seems so harmless now thinking about the things
Speaker 2: that we've seen, like a pre Trump presidency, Charlie Sheen
Speaker 2: feels very like he felt dangerous and now it's like,
Speaker 2: what's that you're doing?
Speaker 1: What you say? I mean, you know, who knows what
Speaker 1: you know might be come out and down the track,
Speaker 1: but he seen true.
Speaker 2: I actually don't know anything about this.
Speaker 1: But a lot of his stuff seem to be self
Speaker 1: inflicted and you know, yeah, like battling with addiction and
Speaker 1: and all of that. So we don't know, we don't know,
Speaker 1: but I think we can safely, hopefully safely remove P
Speaker 1: Diddy from the Charlie she conversation. They see me very
Speaker 1: different ends of the party.
Speaker 2: Spectrum, Yeah, yeah, different.
Speaker 1: But I do love the line when at the end
Speaker 1: where he says about Malkovich invites him over and it's
Speaker 1: it's machine malcatraz and they talk about like getting in
Speaker 1: on this vessel. Yeah, and he says you me, Gary Sonice.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, And it's as you know, details are so
Speaker 1: can make something, you know, I joke work or not work,
Speaker 1: or make it funny. And the word maybe is what's
Speaker 1: so funny about that? Maybe because your brain kind of
Speaker 1: tells this little story subconsciously that maybe Gary sneez the
Speaker 1: might invite them, maybe they won't.
Speaker 2: Invite maybe they'll let him die, let him die.
Speaker 1: What you know, Gary Sneeze has some work to do.
Speaker 1: Maybe I love it so much. The puppetry is so good.
Speaker 2: The puppetry is beautiful. It's really beautiful. I'd like to
Speaker 2: know who did it?
Speaker 1: I mean, and that yeah, that it's such a funny.
Speaker 1: You know when the early scenes is the street scene.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's just like scene and the little girls
Speaker 2: watching it. The dad punches her and then punches him,
Speaker 2: and then it's like a cut to her being like
Speaker 2: not again. Camantine has been like not again time my
Speaker 2: dad's in the street.
Speaker 1: It's such a perfect We've seen the artists who you know,
Speaker 1: often the actors or screenwriters or comedians who be portrayed
Speaker 1: before in pop culture where it's like no, I've got
Speaker 1: my morals and I'm going to but the fact that
Speaker 1: he's doing it with puppetry, which is already yeah, basically
Speaker 1: career in it. But he still got no I want
Speaker 1: to say things with my puppetry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's they won't let me tell my story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my own, my truth. My truth is so good.
Speaker 1: I did love the scene that Lottie and when Loddy
Speaker 1: gun Point takes Maxine through have you seen yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had like very that felt like there's the biggest
Speaker 1: scene where they're going through the subconscious of I think
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey's character, which made me think of that. But no,
Speaker 1: it's so good, so good. Did you have any final
Speaker 1: thoughts about the whole thing?
Speaker 2: I think so. I'm going to look at my notes,
Speaker 2: but I feel like the only thing I wrote down
Speaker 2: was sorry about the content reception. Yeah, I wrote sorry
Speaker 2: about the content reception and eyes I cancered in the
Speaker 2: audience of puppeteering.
Speaker 1: That was I really do love that. I'm going to
Speaker 1: say to sixty minutes. Speially, I'm not sure it was
Speaker 1: sixty minutes. That whole sequence I thought was so was
Speaker 1: so good, it was awesome. Were happy with the way
Speaker 1: it ended like that, Craig is kind of like this.
Speaker 2: Trapped, trapped inside the Little Girl. I'm worried about when
Speaker 2: she turns forty four and all those people invade her.
Speaker 2: But apart from that, there.
Speaker 1: Is a fan theory that get Out the movie get
Speaker 1: Out is like a sequel to Being John Malkovich, Oh God,
Speaker 1: Katherin Keener Is is a connection, obviously, and Alison Williams
Speaker 1: is the grown up Emily. I think her name is
Speaker 1: of the Girl. And because it feels, obviously with people
Speaker 1: being trapped in the saken place, self conscious, so Jordan
Speaker 1: people have said he certainly he wasn't on his mind,
Speaker 1: but he's happy for people to have fun with that theory.
Speaker 1: There are a few Seinfeld characters as well in there.
Speaker 1: Litman is one of them. But also I did kind
Speaker 1: of feel like it had a Seinfeld vibe in that
Speaker 1: Katherine Keith Maxine you could almost see us as Elaine.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Lottie could almost be Kramer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, her animals, animals. You know, she's so absurd, she's
Speaker 2: so surprising.
Speaker 1: And then this is a time when you know, this
Speaker 1: was a surprising turn for Cameron Diaz, like she was
Speaker 1: still making you know, there's something at Merry and like
Speaker 1: big kind of comedies and she was always beautiful to
Speaker 1: be in this weird film. Yeah, and you know, it
Speaker 1: was respect the Cameron Diaz.
Speaker 2: She's great. I adore Cameron.
Speaker 1: She's When we did Rove Live, one of the first
Speaker 1: really really big episodes, it was one of the biggest
Speaker 1: episode we've done. The date was when Charlie's Angels came out.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And they kind of played I think we're doing like
Speaker 1: celebrity charades or we had like a regular segment that
Speaker 1: we would do and they came. They played there for
Speaker 1: an interview and they were there. They were there to
Speaker 1: have fun. You know. They drinking backstage is a bit
Speaker 1: of that if.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't Australia. You're like doing media in Australia.
Speaker 1: And I just remember I remember them all being really cool,
Speaker 1: but it maybe particularly Camardya has been particularly cool. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I've always just thought she seems to have a really
Speaker 1: good head on those shoulders. Yeah, business and perspective.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just funny and she's smart. Yeah, love her.
Speaker 1: Go on, Tor Camrady, as you came to come on this, gee,
Speaker 1: maybe you get a chance. Michelle Barrasier. It's a shame
Speaker 1: we won't be friends next year.
Speaker 2: It is a shame.
Speaker 1: Page I know if you didn't listen to the introduction
Speaker 1: that came out of the blue. That is your comedy
Speaker 1: festival show, which is on sale now or about to
Speaker 1: go on sale. Yeah, so is there anything you can
Speaker 1: tell us about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually about so in nineteen ninety nine, this
Speaker 2: little boy said to me he was my friend. His
Speaker 2: name is Ashley, and he said, it's a shame we
Speaker 2: won't be friends next year. And I said, we're going
Speaker 2: to the same high school. Actually I think we'll be friends.
Speaker 2: And he was like, I don't think people will like
Speaker 2: you at high school. And I've never forgotten it. So
Speaker 2: it's about the things that people say about us that
Speaker 2: we've never forgotten and then what we carry through our
Speaker 2: lives with that. So I'm going to like talk to
Speaker 2: the audience about their stuff. But also I've like tracked
Speaker 2: I've tracked him down and asked him what he meant.
Speaker 2: So that's what it's about.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, will he comes here to show?
Speaker 1: Do you think?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Because I tracked him down and he lives in Holland, moving.
Speaker 1: Holand next year. That's that. That is, That is amazing.
Speaker 1: So you're traveling all around.
Speaker 2: I assume, yes, traveling all around. I'm doing the malt
Speaker 2: House in Melbourne, I'm doing somewhere in Sydney. I'm doing Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Fringe,
Speaker 2: all the big ones. I think I'm coming everywhere.
Speaker 1: Actually, this year fantastic. And so he should beg steal
Speaker 1: then steal a ticket. Actually, just pay for a ticket.
Speaker 2: Pay for ticket, pay for a ticket, pay for a ticket,
Speaker 2: or borrow. I mean you can beg, you can borrow,
Speaker 2: you can borrow a ticket.
Speaker 1: Actually, there's got to be a cash transaction at some point.
Speaker 2: I'm going to need to recoup, yes, okay, because I
Speaker 2: value my work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, congratulations. Oh my brothers Ashes are in
Speaker 1: a sandwich.
Speaker 2: Bay for everyone for Christmas.
Speaker 1: Christmas coming up, extraordinary things you've dealt with, dealing with
Speaker 1: and you do. It's such great humor and average Bear
Speaker 1: is on Paramount plus two, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's just moved to ABC. I view it free.
Speaker 1: Its even easier.
Speaker 2: It's for free.
Speaker 1: I said in the intro. It's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: shows I've seen ever. I think it was it Blew
Speaker 1: Me Away a few years ago and if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen Average Bear, check it out. Mate. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for it. Finally we worked, we worked out.
Speaker 2: Our schedules, and thank you so much for recommending the movie.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I said I was confidable.
Speaker 2: You never know, you never know.
Speaker 1: You've seen Adaptation, haven't you.
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And by the way that I've always wondered, Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a little scene in Adaptation where it's behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: I've been John Malkovich, ye, and you have Nick Cage
Speaker 1: kind of behind the camp And I've always thought, did
Speaker 1: they take footage of that from the actual shooting and
Speaker 1: then and repurpose it? But they re shot it. That
Speaker 1: was a whole new sequence there. So must have come
Speaker 1: on to reshoot because it's the Malcovich Malkovich Malcovich and
Speaker 1: so good on. John Malkovich are coming back.
Speaker 2: And that's amazing doing a solid for Spike.
Speaker 1: Jones and Charlie Kaufman. Yeah. Wow, But more films like this, please, Hollywood,
Speaker 1: More films like this. Michelle Brazier, thank you very.
Speaker 2: Much, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: There we go, Michelle Brazier, fantastic. I loved chatting to
Speaker 1: Michelle about being John Malkovich. It seemed like a perfect
Speaker 1: fit hack because you had not seen the film. It
Speaker 1: surprised me, it shocked me. But here we are. Ladies
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Speaker 1: She's awesome. She's also a live performer, comedian, and she's awesome.
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