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Speaker 5: Hi, guys, you're listening to the Pickup with Brett Harkley
Speaker 5: and Laura Burn.
Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, Happy Tuesday. Do you know what I came
Speaker 1: across just on Instagram as I was flicking.
Speaker 3: I can only imagine what your Instagram feed you.
Speaker 1: No, I reset my feed so it's not as hectic
Speaker 1: as it used to be. I used to get some
Speaker 1: really really upsetting reels fed.
Speaker 5: To me, you know on the explore page.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a reflection of who you are.
Speaker 5: No, it really isn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything to deserve this. Instagram just thought
Speaker 1: I like watching pimple popping videos because I looked once
Speaker 1: and then it was like, oh you like that had
Speaker 1: some more that I yeah, all right, well look this
Speaker 1: is I thought.
Speaker 5: This gave me a real chuckle. So female frogs, not
Speaker 5: all of.
Speaker 1: Them, but there's a specific species out there of female
Speaker 1: frogs who fake their own death to avoid mating with
Speaker 1: males that they don't find attractive.
Speaker 5: And I just think, go off, queen, good on you
Speaker 5: if you like, imagine imagine being so just hop away. Nah,
Speaker 5: they just pretend to be dead. Lay there.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much what I do at the moment, and
Speaker 1: what the frog won't do it then, Yep, it's having
Speaker 1: the same effect on my husband, Bora.
Speaker 3: Welcome to three PM everyone.
Speaker 5: I'm too pregnant.
Speaker 3: I can't. I thought he I mean, we're going off
Speaker 3: track here. I thought he had a pregnancy thing.
Speaker 6: He does.
Speaker 5: That's the problem. My husband does have a pregnancy king.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm so tired. I have indigestion all the time. I
Speaker 1: can't breathe.
Speaker 5: I just now. Yeah, I don't pretend to be dead.
Speaker 5: I pretend to be asleep. I was hoping it was
Speaker 5: a joke.
Speaker 3: All Laura's inspiration.
Speaker 6: Everything on a search page is just about the dead throw.
Speaker 5: If it's good not for the frogs, it's good enough
Speaker 5: for me.
Speaker 1: Now we've managed to not talk about it thus far,
Speaker 1: which seems truly astonishing because the entire world has been
Speaker 1: talking about the Coldplay couple took cam.
Speaker 6: Well, like, let's do something different and not talk about it,
Speaker 6: and then we wait a couple of days, we're like,
Speaker 6: we have let's talk about it now.
Speaker 1: No, but it's because, like I mean, you guys have
Speaker 1: seen the memes. If you don't know what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: It was a Coldplay concert that happened. There was a
Speaker 1: couple that was caught on the kiss cam and they
Speaker 1: have gone absolutely viral because of the reaction that they had,
Speaker 1: so they quickly pulled away from each other. She covered
Speaker 1: her eyes. Now even Chris Martin himself is heard in
Speaker 1: the video saying, oh, either they're really shy or they're
Speaker 1: having an affair. Turns out they are having an affair.
Speaker 1: They're not They are shy affairs, but that's what it is, right,
Speaker 1: So the internet did what the internet does. The Internet
Speaker 1: very quickly found out who these people are. He's the
Speaker 1: CEO of a tech company called Astronomer, and she, Scandalous,
Speaker 1: is the head of HR.
Speaker 3: Which is funny in itself.
Speaker 5: Really both of them are married.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The big question is is whether it's gone too far now,
Speaker 1: whether the public shaming is justifiable whether the fact that
Speaker 1: I mean, he's lost his job, he's resigned as the CEO,
Speaker 1: they have been completely humiliated online, and whether it has
Speaker 1: gone too far.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a question in that question. Yes, it's
Speaker 3: gone too far to answer.
Speaker 6: But the question in the question is should you be
Speaker 6: losing your job off the back of an affair?
Speaker 3: Like should those two things be interrelated?
Speaker 6: In this case, possibly there has to be repercussions because
Speaker 6: of the nature of the affair being with hr there's
Speaker 6: obviously a power and balance there. He is not only
Speaker 6: like the CEO of the company, but he has shares
Speaker 6: in the company, he part owns the company.
Speaker 3: There's definitely issues there, maybe.
Speaker 6: Contractually within that company that they have broken a breach
Speaker 6: of fornicating with.
Speaker 3: Staff members, Like yeah, maybe you can't do that.
Speaker 6: But generally speaking, I don't think that you should be
Speaker 6: losing a job because of an.
Speaker 1: Fair Like obviously we think it's immoral, we think it's evil,
Speaker 1: all those things.
Speaker 5: But I think the reason why I think.
Speaker 1: People have taken such joy in watching this crumble and
Speaker 1: burn is because most people have been cheated on.
Speaker 5: Most people know what that pain is like, right, and
Speaker 5: it is horrible.
Speaker 1: It is such an evil and nasty way to treat someone,
Speaker 1: to cheat on them and to betray their trust like that,
Speaker 1: But there's usually no punishment for it, right, Like, it's
Speaker 1: not like any other thing where you would have that
Speaker 1: much sort of emotional turmoil. There's some sort of punishment
Speaker 1: that happens, and in these instances, usually the person does
Speaker 1: the cheating gets off relatively scot free, or maybe that
Speaker 1: the relationship breaks down. But like in the grand scheme
Speaker 1: of things, I think maybe we all take a little
Speaker 1: bit of joy in watching the ruination of this couple
Speaker 1: because we're like, finally, you know, suffer, because we've all
Speaker 1: been there.
Speaker 6: I would say it was maybe like that for the
Speaker 6: first twelve hours. I would say it's transcended that, and
Speaker 6: that's not it anymore. People are taking joy in the humor,
Speaker 6: like people have made it into comedy content.
Speaker 5: But they're no longer people.
Speaker 3: They're not people anymore. The situation is what is funny.
Speaker 3: Anyone that is stage.
Speaker 6: Performing right now, anyone that has a platform on Instagram,
Speaker 6: anyone you follow, I can guarantee you has made some
Speaker 6: kind of a mockery of this situation. They've re enacted it,
Speaker 6: and I think people have forgotten that there are people
Speaker 6: at the core of this, that there are two real
Speaker 6: people with real families that are going through it, that
Speaker 6: are losing their jobs as families are affected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what happens with memes though, right, Like
Speaker 1: we dehumanize the person that's in them, and so like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and look, I don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, i don't have this deep overwhelming sympathy.
Speaker 5: I'm not like, oh God, I do think of the CEO.
Speaker 3: No I do, because yes, you've cheated and you've done
Speaker 3: the wrong thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but this imagine like this is the entire world,
Speaker 6: Like this is insane what they have received.
Speaker 1: And I think the level of cancel culture that's happened
Speaker 1: in this instance is so unparalleled, unrelenting, and definitely the
Speaker 1: crime doesn't match the punishment in this instance because the
Speaker 1: punishment goes unvetted.
Speaker 5: Right, It's not like it's not like it has an.
Speaker 1: End day, it doesn't have an expiration, and like we
Speaker 1: actually don't know what impact this is going to have
Speaker 1: on his ability to get another job down the track
Speaker 1: or her ability to ever work in HR again. Like God,
Speaker 1: the luck of it, though, but it's so unfortunate. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, does if you're gonna have an affair, keep
Speaker 1: it private.
Speaker 6: Like don't work colleagues and public platform and go on.
Speaker 6: And also if you're gonna get on the kids camp
Speaker 6: play cool like this. The only reason in this mess
Speaker 6: is because they tried to like die for cover and
Speaker 6: lip read is like lipid.
Speaker 3: What they said. I'm not saying God, have an affair
Speaker 3: and just like own it.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 6: But there are so many people in the public eye,
Speaker 6: so many famous people, women and men, who have been
Speaker 6: caught in infidelity, who have had affairs and nothing happens
Speaker 6: because it's not so much the affair we're angry about,
Speaker 6: but it's the situation around it, and that's what this
Speaker 6: has happened. Like, yes, we're angry about the affair, but
Speaker 6: we found so much humor in the way they were
Speaker 6: caught out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I read a couple of articles about this
Speaker 1: today and this one line really stood out to me.
Speaker 1: It said, the Coldplay couple did something bad, but the
Speaker 1: Internet did something worse. Did saying bad the internet did
Speaker 1: something better. I do think though, that people feel so
Speaker 1: enraged when it comes to cheating. We've spoken about cheating
Speaker 1: before on this show, and the amount of messages that
Speaker 1: come in on DMS after those conversations because so many
Speaker 1: people have been affected by it. Rit I have something
Speaker 1: that you are going to love. Well, someone I should
Speaker 1: say cash. Unfortunately she is not money, but maybe she
Speaker 1: can bring you some money or some good fortune. You
Speaker 1: were saying recently that you wanted to get a psychic
Speaker 1: on the show, and you very much are into.
Speaker 5: Your manifestation psychics.
Speaker 1: I don't want to bundle it altogether, but I think
Speaker 1: bundle it for me because I am in you are.
Speaker 1: You are absolutely and I have probably been the one
Speaker 1: in our relationship that's been slightly more skeptical over the years,
Speaker 1: only because I've had a bum steer. Twice nour psychics
Speaker 1: have told me that I'm going to have a boy,
Speaker 1: and they've both been wrong.
Speaker 6: Let's not play it down just because the psychic is
Speaker 6: in fact in the room. You are not slightly skeptical.
Speaker 6: You've always been very skeptical.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: No, I think I'm coming around to it more than
Speaker 1: what I used to be. I would say in my twenties,
Speaker 1: I was very skeptical, but then there's been a few
Speaker 1: things that's happened as I've gotten older and wiser, that's
Speaker 1: kind of made me soften to it a little bit.
Speaker 1: But we do have someone very special in the room,
Speaker 1: Jessica Lynn. Now, Jessica Lynn is a psychic medium herself,
Speaker 1: but also she is the host of.
Speaker 5: The podcast Talk Spirit to Me. Jess Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Firstly, Okay, what's the difference for anyone who is unsure
Speaker 1: between a psychic and a psychic medium?
Speaker 4: Yes, so a.
Speaker 2: Psychic is somebody who is basically picking up on your energy,
Speaker 2: what's going on for you right now, what might be
Speaker 2: a potential future for you as well or as a
Speaker 2: psychic medium does that, but you also connect to your spirits,
Speaker 2: so your loved ones on the other side, your spirit team.
Speaker 6: I am interested to know how you knew you could
Speaker 6: do this. How old were you when you were I
Speaker 6: don't know. Were you getting visited by spirits? Like do
Speaker 6: you physically see them? Did they come to you as
Speaker 6: ghosts when you were younger? Or is it justs like
Speaker 6: this feeling, Like, talk me through what you experience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's more of a feeling for me.
Speaker 2: So I always had a very strong intuition, like even
Speaker 2: as a young girl. I was just aware of things,
Speaker 2: I guess, and had that really strong gut feeling, and
Speaker 2: I just thought that people had the same thing, like
Speaker 2: everyone could know things and everyone was aware of things
Speaker 2: the way that I was.
Speaker 4: So I was always very open to it.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't until my Nana passed when I was
Speaker 2: twelve that I became.
Speaker 4: Very curious about the spirit world.
Speaker 2: I'm like, she cannot just be gone. It can't just be,
Speaker 2: you know, a thing that she's not here. So I
Speaker 2: started to do meditations in my teenage years, and I
Speaker 2: started going to the local crystal shop and like hanging
Speaker 2: out with like the spiritual ladies and like picking their
Speaker 2: brains and all the things. And you know, it wasn't
Speaker 2: until I was in my thirties that I started to
Speaker 2: really get into this. So now I'm where I am
Speaker 2: because I chose to sort of go down that path
Speaker 2: and dig deep.
Speaker 3: And then how does it come across to you?
Speaker 6: So do you walk into a room Sometimes maybe it's
Speaker 6: with strangers, maybe it's with people you know, and you
Speaker 6: just someone just presents themselves to you like a spirit,
Speaker 6: Like does it just come?
Speaker 3: I don't know where do you have to call it?
Speaker 3: And ask for it.
Speaker 2: I mol so have to call on it now because
Speaker 2: I've got really strong boundaries with spirit that I don't
Speaker 2: want them to be popping up when I'm trying to
Speaker 2: go to sleep and all that.
Speaker 6: Kind of of us don't have boundaries with relationships with
Speaker 6: the spirit I do.
Speaker 5: It's call on How do you learn this?
Speaker 1: It's not like something you can go to school or
Speaker 1: go to university for, like what does it look like
Speaker 1: for you? And I guess when you started to realize, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe this is something that is different.
Speaker 5: To what other people experience, like how are you able
Speaker 5: to channel that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I actually went to other mediums who had obviously
Speaker 2: been through the process of learning themselves and I was
Speaker 2: mentaught by them. So they taught me how to blend
Speaker 2: with spirit. They taught me how to open myself up.
Speaker 2: And it's really funny when you start channeling. At the start,
Speaker 2: it's like a free for all. It's like you don't
Speaker 2: know what you're doing. You're kind of just picking up
Speaker 2: on things and it feels very clunky. But over time
Speaker 2: you build this symbology of spirits like almost like I
Speaker 2: picture it as like a keyboard in the back of
Speaker 2: my head and they're like that one, and they're like
Speaker 2: that one and that thing and that thing, and it
Speaker 2: kind of just flows from there.
Speaker 6: What is like one of the weirdest experiences you've had
Speaker 6: or mess like something that would just blow us away?
Speaker 5: So something that comes to mind.
Speaker 4: So one of the things. It was probably only like
Speaker 4: a few months ago.
Speaker 2: My father in law has passed away, and so my
Speaker 2: sister in law, who's kind of open to spirit more
Speaker 2: so now that her dad's passed, She's like, I keep
Speaker 2: dreaming of Dad, like I need you to channel himuse I.
Speaker 4: Need to know what the pali wants. And I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2: So I started channeling for her and I said, all
Speaker 2: I can see is this newspaper. I'm like, he's saying,
Speaker 2: get the newspaper, get the newspaper, and there's something between
Speaker 2: you and him with the paper.
Speaker 4: I'm like, have you ever been in the paper or something?
Speaker 3: And she's like no.
Speaker 2: She goes, I'm going to ring mum and see what
Speaker 2: this newspaper's about. And it was late at night and
Speaker 2: Mum's like, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: She goes, you have to go and.
Speaker 3: Look for it.
Speaker 4: And I channeled that it was in her sewing room.
Speaker 4: There's something in the sewing room.
Speaker 2: There's a newspaper, and she goes, I'll go down and
Speaker 2: have a look, and she ended up remembering that her dad,
Speaker 2: he had bought her a newspaper on her birthday. She's
Speaker 2: bought on the twelfth of December twenty twelve because he
Speaker 2: thought it was twelve twelve twelve, which would be really cool,
Speaker 2: and he was meant to give it to her for
Speaker 2: a thirtieth birthday, but he forgot, so he left it
Speaker 2: behind the bookshelf and the mum found it and she's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I forgot all about this.
Speaker 4: So he died and went, oh.
Speaker 3: Not newspeople to give it to her.
Speaker 4: So it was amazing. Blew my mind, blew their minds.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had any scary experiences like you know,
Speaker 1: you hear about people who might have had, I guess
Speaker 1: an intimidating experience. Has that something that you have witnessed yourself?
Speaker 1: Or is it also something that people should even be
Speaker 1: wary of.
Speaker 4: Look, you know, it can happen.
Speaker 2: There are some souls out there that maybe are a
Speaker 2: little bit more cheeky or like to try it on.
Speaker 4: From a few base point of view.
Speaker 2: But for me, I kind of like to put up
Speaker 2: a lot of protection so that I don't really have
Speaker 2: those experiences. I have had a bit of an entity
Speaker 2: that attached itself to me, like a year or so ago,
Speaker 2: and you feel funky. You're like something's going wrong, if
Speaker 2: everything's going wrong in your life, you're having really bad luck.
Speaker 4: Everything just feels really ik.
Speaker 2: Make sure you cleanse yourself, cleanse your environment, because there
Speaker 2: just might be something that's attached itself to you, or
Speaker 2: bitter residual energy from something.
Speaker 6: Okay, so we are going to get into it after
Speaker 6: the break a bit more specifically about us. But before
Speaker 6: we do go to a break, have you felt anything
Speaker 6: from either of us since you've been in the room.
Speaker 2: I can definitely feel a lot of energy in here,
Speaker 2: So I'm sure we're going to be.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 6: Well, we're gonna go to a quick break and then
Speaker 6: we're gonna get into it a bit more specifically with you.
Speaker 3: After the break, it's pick up on kiss.
Speaker 6: We're joined by very special guest, Jessica Lynn, who is
Speaker 6: a psychic medium. Now we were just talking all about
Speaker 6: how she got into this, some of her experiences, but
Speaker 6: we are about to get into some more specific experiences
Speaker 6: with Laura and myself. And I can just see you
Speaker 6: just closed your eyes and your eyes were fluttering, Jess,
Speaker 6: Are you trying to take yourself somewhere now and tune
Speaker 6: into people in our lives?
Speaker 2: Definitely, So I have to alter the way that I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: And this is why sometimes it's hard for me to
Speaker 2: read in situations like this because I'm in my logical
Speaker 2: mind and now I'm in my spiritual mind. So I
Speaker 2: have to take a minute. Is there someone in particular
Speaker 2: that either one of you would like to connect with?
Speaker 3: Think I go first.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, in the last couple of years, I've had
Speaker 1: three very important people in my life pass away, my nana,
Speaker 1: my papa, and also my stepdad.
Speaker 5: So they all passed away in last few years.
Speaker 1: So my papa was probably the person I was with
Speaker 1: the closest, but he passed away the longest.
Speaker 2: To go. Okay, let me see what I can feel
Speaker 2: around the male energy around you then, because you've got
Speaker 2: two males, so let's see what I can feel for you,
Speaker 2: all right, Okay, there is definitely a male here for you.
Speaker 2: He's got quite a funny banter, like a really interesting personality,
Speaker 2: a character, that's what I'll call him.
Speaker 1: I feel like if someone's funny, it'd probably be my
Speaker 1: step dad over my granddad's probably asleep.
Speaker 3: To be honest, Yeah, more serious.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he wasn't really one two correct jokes.
Speaker 4: No, this guy's super funny.
Speaker 2: And I was gonna say to you, I feel like
Speaker 2: that he felt a bit robbed of time, like he
Speaker 2: felt as though his life was cut short a little bit.
Speaker 2: And he actually starts to restrict my chest. So I
Speaker 2: think that at the end of his life there may
Speaker 2: be something that affected his heart life or chest or
Speaker 2: you might have had difficulty communicating.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, so my stepdad passed away.
Speaker 1: He had prostate cancer, but it was a very slow
Speaker 1: process and very Yeah, the last few weeks in hospital were.
Speaker 3: Pretty awful, he says.
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to feel like they didn't get
Speaker 2: the chance to say goodbye to me.
Speaker 1: I think he was very much in denial that he
Speaker 1: was that sick for a long long time. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was probably a big part of it. What about you, Britt,
Speaker 1: Is there anyone that you would Yeah, I probably have
Speaker 1: just two people that are passing my life, an uncle
Speaker 1: and a grandma.
Speaker 2: All Right, I am feeling more of the female energy
Speaker 2: for you. I can't stop thinking about baby. She keeps saying,
Speaker 2: talk about the baby, the baby, the baby. I feel
Speaker 2: like that there's a spirit baby for you on the
Speaker 2: other side that hasn't come here yet. She wants to
Speaker 2: acknowledge because she's holding that little soul for you. Do
Speaker 2: you have any children? I don't have any children. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: she's saying.
Speaker 4: She just said why not?
Speaker 3: Is she saying anything else about it? What else do
Speaker 3: you see around that? That's cute?
Speaker 4: All right, there's a lot of girl energy around you.
Speaker 2: I think that she thinks that you would be better
Speaker 2: as a girl mom have than anything else. And she
Speaker 2: also showed me the next couple of years, So I
Speaker 2: feel like, within the next two years, you need to
Speaker 2: decide whether this is something that you want.
Speaker 4: To do or not.
Speaker 1: What do you find is like the most common things
Speaker 1: that spirits are trying to the messages that they're trying
Speaker 1: to bring.
Speaker 4: To people, Usually it's that I'm okay.
Speaker 3: I hear that a lot.
Speaker 4: I'm fine, don't worry about me.
Speaker 2: You don't have to, you know, be living your life
Speaker 2: for me, And I think that's what we do here
Speaker 2: we're trying to make them proud. Oh I did this
Speaker 2: because they would love that that I did that, and
Speaker 2: they like to say, you live your life for you,
Speaker 2: this is your round.
Speaker 1: For anyone who has lost a loved one who maybe
Speaker 1: feels as though they're inaccessible to them, how would it
Speaker 1: be like, what is something that someone can do to
Speaker 1: feel closer to a loved one who's past Ask.
Speaker 4: Them for a sign.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think that we all sit here waiting for
Speaker 2: all the signs like and we're like, Oh, I think
Speaker 2: that's them. I hope that's them. But if you ask
Speaker 2: them for a really specific sign, like I want you
Speaker 2: to show me a red balloon, I'm telling you they
Speaker 2: will do. It.
Speaker 4: May not even be a red balloon in the sky.
Speaker 2: It could be a red balloon that's on someone's key
Speaker 2: chain in front of you at Woolly's.
Speaker 1: Well, Jess, thank you so much for joining the show
Speaker 1: and for anyone who wants to hear more or learn more.
Speaker 1: You do have your podcast Talk Spirit to Me, which
Speaker 1: you do with your wife as well. Now do both
Speaker 1: of you share the same interest in this?
Speaker 5: Do both of you? Are you both spirit mediums?
Speaker 4: Or is it?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: No way? My wife, Jade is complete opposite.
Speaker 2: Like she started off like skeptical as anything, and I
Speaker 2: had to.
Speaker 4: Try and work with her to make sure that she
Speaker 4: knew that I wasn't full of it.
Speaker 6: Basically, well, you can get one on one psychic mediums
Speaker 6: with just two if you like what you heard or
Speaker 6: you want to find out more.
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming in today. Thank you so much for
Speaker 3: having me