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Speaker 2: Now, well, Hello, this is doc Justin Coilson, the author

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Speaker 3: About raising happy Families.

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Speaker 2: I'm here with my wife and co host missus Happy Families, Kylie,

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Speaker 2: the mom to our six daughters. Before we dive into

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Speaker 2: today's podcasts, Kylie, we asked for as a Christmas gift

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Speaker 3: How nice is that?

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Speaker 1: Seriously, this is the best Christmas gift ever.

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Speaker 2: said the absolute best and helpful family podcasts. Genuine and

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Speaker 2: kind personalities. That's mostly you guiding you through the rollercoaster

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Speaker 2: of parenting atually loving the episodes with missus Happy Families.

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Speaker 2: That again is mostly you please make more well, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to keep on making more until almost Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Sight we'll have a quick break and then we'll be

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Speaker 2: back in January.

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Speaker 1: Well, just my mind is already starting to tick over

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Speaker 1: about what we're going to talk about next year. I

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about last night.

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Speaker 2: So I did Unspoil the Kids, a webinar for all

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Speaker 2: of our Happy Families members and anyone else who decided

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Speaker 3: Really had a lot of fun doing that.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday's podcast we talked a little bit about gave everybody

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Speaker 1: and I just felt like there was this whole new

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Speaker 1: to talk about. This idea of how to help our

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Speaker 3: This comes naturally to you.

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Speaker 2: I was raised in a home where my parents were super,

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Speaker 2: super generous, but for some reason I was pretty materialistic

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Speaker 2: and very much what's in it for me? I wasn't

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Speaker 2: look after Numero uno. Whereas you were totally the opposite.

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Speaker 2: And over the years, you've done an extraordinary job of

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Speaker 1: And we have been talking about how we can help

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Speaker 3: You know, Christmas is.

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Speaker 2: So, in a series of lab studies, children aged four

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Speaker 3: But that's such a good line. But bring it back

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Speaker 1: It's probably a good thing our kids aren't wearing heart

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Speaker 2: So we would love to know from you. How do

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Speaker 3: To do that.

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Speaker 1: It does, but you know, the reality is it's not

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