Speaker 1: Gooday, my name's Peter Hally.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you Ain't Seen Nothing Yet the movie podcast,
Speaker 2: where I chat to a movie lover about a classic
Speaker 2: or beloved movie they haven't quite got around to watching
Speaker 2: until now. And today's guest is artist, chef, actress writer
Speaker 2: poling Yow.
Speaker 3: All below, I want to stay here with you. Gay
Speaker 3: to the jobble.
Speaker 1: My hat, snake shut hil couldn't happening right, So don't
Speaker 1: See Nothing Yet.
Speaker 2: Poe ling Yow has become one of the most creative
Speaker 2: and interesting people on the Australian TV landscape. She burst
Speaker 2: onto our scenes, of course in two thousand and nine
Speaker 2: in the Jugnaut that was Master Chef Australia. Now, if
Speaker 2: you don't remember that time, that was one of the
Speaker 2: biggest shows, well it is one of the biggest shows
Speaker 2: in Australian TV history and Poe was a big reason
Speaker 2: why Mars Chef Australia took off. In two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: She finished runner up to the lovely and very talented
Speaker 2: Julie Goodwin and it was an incredible season. It was
Speaker 2: very rarely do you get a TV show where you
Speaker 2: feel like everybody is watching it, and everybody is talking
Speaker 2: about it. Mass Chef Australia was certainly that. But before
Speaker 2: Marster Chef, and I only remember this recently. The Poe
Speaker 2: it wasn't her first foray into television. She had already
Speaker 2: done a little dip in when she first appeared on
Speaker 2: the ABC's Beat Chef in two thousand and five, and
Speaker 2: before that even Poe had actually had a bit of
Speaker 2: a crack at the big screen, appearing in films Human
Speaker 2: Touch and Peaches both in two thousand and four and
Speaker 2: Hey Hey, It's Esther Blueberger in two thousand and eight
Speaker 2: from Marster Chef and the success she had there it
Speaker 2: led of course to everybody wanting to be in the
Speaker 2: business with Poe. It led the spinoffs Poe's Kitchen, Poe
Speaker 2: and Co. Alongside many appearances in shows such as Can
Speaker 2: of Worms, Lego Masters, she hosted Snack Masters. She returned
Speaker 2: to Marster Chef in two thousand and nineteen to be
Speaker 2: a mentor and then again in twenty twenty for their
Speaker 2: incredible back to Win series. Of course, when she entered
Speaker 2: mars Chef, we were still doing Rove Rove Live, and
Speaker 2: then subsequent years I was on the project and we
Speaker 2: crossed paths many times, but in about two thy and twelve,
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 1: Pass Poe.
Speaker 2: In my series It's a Date, which was on the
Speaker 2: ABC for two seasons. Poe was in one of the
Speaker 2: first episodes I think we wrote and put together where
Speaker 2: she appeared alongside Dave Lawson.
Speaker 1: It was an anthology series.
Speaker 2: It looked at dating and they had a wonderful date
Speaker 2: involving a dead rabbit, a miniature golf course and the proposal,
Speaker 2: and also a window washer urinating on Poe.
Speaker 1: We'll talk.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to Poe about that during our chat. Perhaps
Speaker 2: it was such a fun episode and she was incredible
Speaker 2: in it. Poe, you may not realize it's not just
Speaker 2: a chef and a host now on television and an actress.
Speaker 2: As I pointed out, she's also critically acclaimed art that
Speaker 2: she largely works with acrylic paints on canvases and her work.
Speaker 1: Has this is pre mass chef.
Speaker 2: Her work has been highly acclaimed and these available to
Speaker 2: see and galleries around Australia. Poe also went into the
Speaker 2: jungles an I'm a celebrity, Get Me Out of the
Speaker 2: Alumni she did at season eight. I was in season
Speaker 2: nine she warmed the Jungle up for me, and she
Speaker 2: was also great to watch in there.
Speaker 1: She's in there with my good friend Kel Wilson. And
Speaker 1: if all that isn't enough, Poe has this launched. She's
Speaker 1: basically gone into.
Speaker 2: The Red Rock Officers the Great Chips that I read rock,
Speaker 2: and she's gone in there and said, I reckon, I
Speaker 2: can make some better flavors. There's not enough new flavors
Speaker 2: of chips, and she has released soon new flavors. They
Speaker 2: are crispy Chicken with garlic and sweet soy and it's
Speaker 2: their body lovely. Poe actually sent me a packet of those,
Speaker 2: and she also sent me the other flavors that she's done,
Speaker 2: which I think is the superstar flavor, which is Malaysian beef.
Speaker 2: Rendang got no qualms in pointing it out. That's that's
Speaker 2: the hero and it tastes like you are having Malaysia, Bigfriendang.
Speaker 2: It's it's incredible. Let me know what you think of it.
Speaker 2: Poe is a joy to watch and be around. She
Speaker 2: loves the laugh. She's got a big laugh, which I love.
Speaker 2: She's both ambitious and silly, which is a rare mix.
Speaker 2: She's so talented, she's so smart and I'm bloody stoked
Speaker 2: to be hanging.
Speaker 1: With her today.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 4: My name is Poe and my three best films are
Speaker 4: The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill.
Speaker 5: Is it your perky nods?
Speaker 3: The Wild.
Speaker 4: Gambo said?
Speaker 6: You take care of your granny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's sick to either. Yeah, I have to scumber
Speaker 1: up with a big sponge.
Speaker 4: And Midnight Cowboy.
Speaker 3: I'm walking here.
Speaker 4: Up until this week, I hadn't seen Moonstruck. Lovest kid, who.
Speaker 7: Wow, the moon hits you like a bigger bit supply
Speaker 7: that's more.
Speaker 1: Yes, I literally don't make movies like this anymore.
Speaker 2: Moonstruck is a soup fla of a romantic comedy that
Speaker 2: isn't completely flaky.
Speaker 1: It's light better that has substance.
Speaker 2: Global Ameni and icon Chef plays Italian Loretta, a widow
Speaker 2: whose husband got hit by a bus, which has convinced
Speaker 2: her superstitious family, in particular her father, played by the
Speaker 2: brilliant Vincent Gardenia, that she is cursed. This curse is
Speaker 2: given the opportunity to lift when Loretta proposed to by
Speaker 2: her slightly reticent fellow Johnny the always excellent Danny a Yellow.
Speaker 2: Loretta agrees because you know why not Johnny, who is
Speaker 2: keen to get Loretta to the Isle sooner rather than
Speaker 2: later to appease his mother, who is on a deathbed
Speaker 2: in Sicily, to which he is about to fly. Johnny
Speaker 2: leaves instruction for Loretta to invite his estranged brother Ronnie
Speaker 2: early nick Cage operating at full nick Cage levels to
Speaker 2: the wedding, and when this happens under a full moon,
Speaker 2: it kicks off a chain of other worldly desire that
Speaker 2: seems to be motivated by the Earth's gravitational poll It's
Speaker 2: the moon, it's mysterious, it's messed up, and it's magical.
Speaker 1: Directed by the great Norman Jewison.
Speaker 2: Written by John Patrick Shanley, who took out the best
Speaker 2: screenplay Oscar that year.
Speaker 1: It also net to share her best actress, Oscar.
Speaker 2: It also brought to the big screen the undeniable presence
Speaker 2: and glory that is Olympia Dukacas, who also took home
Speaker 2: a gold statuette that night. Considered one of the great
Speaker 2: American romantic comedies. I feeling about those looking for love
Speaker 2: and those waiting for death? Poe, Are you somebody who
Speaker 2: looks up at the moon?
Speaker 4: I do look up at the moon.
Speaker 1: Peo you're a moon gazer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a moon gazer. Yeah. Yeah, my bedroom when it's
Speaker 4: full moon, I can actually see it from my bed.
Speaker 2: So and you do you find yourself yeah, contemplating life
Speaker 2: and love when you're looking.
Speaker 1: Up at a full moon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: Actually, do you believe that a full moon? Can you know,
Speaker 2: alter people's behavior? And are you into any of that stuff?
Speaker 4: I do believe it. I'm not I'm not usually that
Speaker 4: kind of person, but I do feel like the moon
Speaker 4: because I'm into gardening. You know how people have like
Speaker 4: there are things about planting at certain types at certain
Speaker 4: times where stages of the moon, and I do. I
Speaker 4: do believe in it because I feel everything is tied together.
Speaker 2: And now do you've announced that you're into gardening? Is
Speaker 2: very nervous. Now he's He's just messaged me saying a
Speaker 2: Danu Laine Poe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't worry.
Speaker 4: I'm such a haphazard gardener. I've gotten nothing on him.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: Obviously, there's a lot of films that you can choose from.
Speaker 2: I provide a list. You don't have to choose from
Speaker 2: that list, But there are basically the thoughts starters. Why
Speaker 2: did Moonstruck jump out at you as one to cover.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's one of those I've always loved sir as
Speaker 4: an actress actor actress, and I've when we used to
Speaker 4: have go to the video shop that covers it just
Speaker 4: was always there. And for some reason I never watched
Speaker 4: it because there was no one on the cover to
Speaker 4: entice me. It's just that that moon, and so for
Speaker 4: some reason I never went for it. But I've always
Speaker 4: been so curious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a bit the same. I'd never seen it,
Speaker 2: so it was a real joy for me to sit
Speaker 2: down and watch this film this week. And I remember
Speaker 2: seeing like the trailer in the cinema, and you know,
Speaker 2: it probably came out.
Speaker 1: When did it come out? I think there's eighty seven,
Speaker 1: isn't and.
Speaker 4: Yeah eighty seven?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm twelve.
Speaker 2: It probably doesn't necessarily speak to a twelve year old,
Speaker 2: and so nothing really grabbing, but I always thought it
Speaker 2: looked interesting. I think maybe Share slapping Nick Cage and
Speaker 2: you know those famous kind of scenes of snap out
Speaker 2: of it, which you'll get to kind of this this
Speaker 2: state in my mind, and then obviously share One wins
Speaker 2: the oscar for it, and it becomes a great remnut comedy,
Speaker 2: which is referred to quite a bit, so I always
Speaker 2: thought I will get around to watching it at some point,
Speaker 2: which I'm glad I've done this week. There's a lot
Speaker 2: to talk about with it. But I want to go
Speaker 2: back to your three favorite films. How did you go
Speaker 2: choosing three?
Speaker 4: With difficulty? Because so many favorite films and they're wildly different.
Speaker 4: Because I was married to a filmmate at one point,
Speaker 4: so I went through this stage where it was just
Speaker 4: all art house films, which Gumo is and while parrots
Speaker 4: of Telegraphy, Oh my god, I forgot another one, Yes Stem,
Speaker 4: this absolute like one that came out of nowhere. I
Speaker 4: just randomly switched on SBS one night. So that's another one.
Speaker 4: That's a polish one.
Speaker 1: What's that one called?
Speaker 4: Yes Stem but with a J. Yes. It's kind of
Speaker 4: a love story between two kids, and it's a really
Speaker 4: oh it's just so beautiful. I just bored my eyes
Speaker 4: out through the whole thing. This kid who's essentially orphaned
Speaker 4: and lives on the streets at befriends this girl from
Speaker 4: quite a wealthy family and they secret meet, secretly meet
Speaker 4: in this barge that he squats in. She brings him
Speaker 4: food and it's essentially a little love story between two
Speaker 4: little kids, and it's just gorgeous. And it was just
Speaker 4: one of those things where I just did not expect
Speaker 4: to watch a movie that night and then just just
Speaker 4: got pulled into the vortex. And it's now one of
Speaker 4: my favorite films. Yeah, for sure. But I name the others.
Speaker 4: I think Gumo. Have you seen Gummo?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Gammo.
Speaker 4: It's another one that I reckon you would have seen
Speaker 4: at the video store. It's got a picture of a
Speaker 4: kid holding a boy holding an accordion topless with Bunny
Speaker 4: is sitting on a toilet. Does that at all ring
Speaker 4: a bell?
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna look it up right now, because I
Speaker 2: surely I would have remembered that, And that's that seems
Speaker 2: maybe my local blockbuster didn't actually stock it.
Speaker 4: But I definitely would have been an art house. And
Speaker 4: it is a weird ass movie about these two hit
Speaker 4: kids from this tiny town.
Speaker 2: The poster that's got that I'm looking at is a
Speaker 2: like almost a portra of Keith from the profile signe.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's one of the main protagonists, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: So it's his two kids that are just wandering around
Speaker 4: glue sniffing haphazardly, and just all these bizarre characters he
Speaker 4: meets in this town that just been ravaged by a tornado,
Speaker 4: and it's just art house filmmaker. It's like you really
Speaker 4: are taken through a journey of wildly strange characters and
Speaker 4: it's an experience, that's all I can say.
Speaker 1: Is more character driven than say narrative.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well there's not much dialogue really, it's kind
Speaker 4: of just it's very experiential and harmony. Karin as the filmmaker,
Speaker 4: and he's well known for being very sort of alternative
Speaker 4: that he did Kids.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you yes that film, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: knew that name and the Okay Kids, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And from what I understand, a lot of those
Speaker 4: a lot of the actors he pretty much just found
Speaker 4: in the town and said you want to be in
Speaker 4: this film, and that's how he made the film. So
Speaker 4: it's it's very it's very strange, but it really pushes
Speaker 4: the film medium, which I really love, which is something
Speaker 4: that I love about Midnight Cowboy.
Speaker 2: Well, well that is I mean mid that Cowboy is.
Speaker 2: I again watched that film for the first time for
Speaker 2: this podcast. Cats Stewart really Yeah, Catch Stewart watched it
Speaker 2: for the first time for us, and what what an
Speaker 2: incredible film with two incredible performances.
Speaker 4: Yeah, legends. And there's something about those types of the
Speaker 4: films from that era and that type of actor, that
Speaker 4: caliber of actor. It's like it will never be repeated again.
Speaker 4: You know, those those my best thing. And I always
Speaker 4: talk about the end credits with like, you know, that
Speaker 4: classic sex sex kind of soundtrack makes sense, so wistful. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the classic tunes, like you know, you know, the
Speaker 4: tunes even before the film sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as soon as you hear those opening chords and
Speaker 2: you know, and the graduate you know around that time
Speaker 2: was yeah, yeah, you know the Simon and Garth uncle
Speaker 2: kind of sounds. Yeah, beautiful, And that's why I love
Speaker 2: when Goodwill Hunting came along. That was one of the
Speaker 2: things that strike me in the most. It's kind of
Speaker 2: Elliott Smith was kind of a bit of a throwback
Speaker 2: to that kind of sound. And I remember I walked
Speaker 2: out of Goodwill Hunting really enjoying the movie, but also going,
Speaker 2: who's that guy who's singing these songs that sound like
Speaker 2: they're from a seventies movie? I really love that, but
Speaker 2: me not Cowboys is just exceptional. And then so talk
Speaker 2: us through the Wild Parrots of Telegraph here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just came back to Midnight Cowboy that I just find.
Speaker 4: It's so the characters are so compelling and it's just
Speaker 4: like this perfect odd couple thing that is that I
Speaker 4: love and I love that film, just like the how
Speaker 4: the directors really pushed the medium in that there's some
Speaker 4: parts where it's almost just steals and they've just superimposed
Speaker 4: like dialogue over it as a thought track, Like I
Speaker 4: love those breaks from film convention and yeah, so that's
Speaker 4: one one of the things that I really love about it.
Speaker 2: And also those films feel like the characters are driving
Speaker 2: the movie as opposed to you know, actually, you know,
Speaker 2: narrative driving the movie and yeah, he just exists in
Speaker 2: that world for a little while, as opposed to kind
Speaker 2: of having this kind of story forced upon you, which
Speaker 2: obviously works many, many, many times, and that's you know,
Speaker 2: some of the great films that kind of style. But
Speaker 2: it's just it is nice when a great filmmaker with
Speaker 2: great actors and a great production team can make just
Speaker 2: being living with these characters for two hours or so work.
Speaker 1: And I think we Night Cowboy does that really well.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite scenes in it is when hang on,
Speaker 4: what's dustin is it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, when he's got his bum leg and he hops
Speaker 4: up on a still to make it darker and he
Speaker 4: fixes like baked beans or something, Yeah, the Cowboy to
Speaker 4: eat and it's just such just the aosm of him,
Speaker 4: like stirring the tin and like stirring the pot, and
Speaker 4: him trying to look after this guy even though he's
Speaker 4: just on his ars essentially, like just surviving. It's just
Speaker 4: something so beautiful about that.
Speaker 1: It's a love story, really, isn't it.
Speaker 2: You know, two strangers who are found He's outsiders have
Speaker 2: found each other, you know, and anyone could read into
Speaker 2: whatever they want to read into what their relationship may
Speaker 2: have been based on, but you don't really even have to, Like,
Speaker 2: it's just it's two strangers who have found each other's
Speaker 2: unlikely friends. In a way, it's beautiful.
Speaker 4: So yeah, while parhaps of Telegraph Hill that was another
Speaker 4: brand that was a Yeah, we borrowed that from the
Speaker 4: video shop and it's a documentary about this guy who
Speaker 4: basically moved to San Francisco in the seventies with the
Speaker 4: hopes and dreams of becoming a rock star like everyone
Speaker 4: did back in the day, and ended up just squatting
Speaker 4: kind of penniless and ended up has ended up squatting
Speaker 4: on the side of Telegraph Hill where this flock of
Speaker 4: wild parrots reside. And there's all these legends as to
Speaker 4: urban legends as to how they came to because they're
Speaker 4: not endemic to that area. And there's all these sort
Speaker 4: of stories that a ship full of illegal cargo acts,
Speaker 4: you know, something happened and the parrots escaped, or a
Speaker 4: truck that was that was transporting like exotic pets, you know,
Speaker 4: had an accident and they escaped. There's all these stories
Speaker 4: as to how they ended up there. But he essentially
Speaker 4: he's a bit of a hermit and he befriends this
Speaker 4: flock of parrots, but he knows every single bird in
Speaker 4: the flock, and so it's just the story again kind
Speaker 4: of like of an outside. So I love stories about
Speaker 4: outliers because I think as a kid, I always felt
Speaker 4: so on the outer as a migrant, not because I
Speaker 4: was teased or anything. I just felt it. I even
Speaker 4: felt it when I was in Malaysia. Actually, to be honest,
Speaker 4: I've just beamed in feeling like a weirdo, and so
Speaker 4: I identify with stories of people on the fringe, and
Speaker 4: so he yeah, so it's just his yeah, kind of
Speaker 4: his love affair with these birds that are essentially his companions.
Speaker 4: So again, just really beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's from I think two thousand and two.
Speaker 2: I've just looked that up. Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hillia.
Speaker 1: Check that out. And they're not all art houses. You're
Speaker 1: not only watching art house movies.
Speaker 2: Because you did mention to me when we spoke on
Speaker 2: phone the other day that your love of a movie
Speaker 2: that I have a love for as well, which is
Speaker 2: The Cable Guy.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's the film of my twenties. Like that is
Speaker 4: probably that would be number one comedy. Yeah, I reckon,
Speaker 4: Like we just quoted, like my whole crew, we just
Speaker 4: quoted from that like NonStop, right into like our late thirties.
Speaker 4: My favorite line from it is he who has a
Speaker 4: teats Master Beats.
Speaker 2: It's so funny, isn't it, Because I'm sure when I'm
Speaker 2: sure when Jim Carrey kind of out of that line,
Speaker 2: he probably didn't even think about it again, not thinking
Speaker 2: this is a line. But here on the other side
Speaker 2: of the world, there's there's a woman who watched that
Speaker 2: in the early twenties who is still quoting that line.
Speaker 2: Like that's the magic of movies. And you never know
Speaker 2: what the line is going to be. That either becomes
Speaker 2: a truly like classic line or just a line that
Speaker 2: means something for somebody and makes them laugh or it
Speaker 2: resonates with them or whatever. My favorite line is, I
Speaker 2: learned the facts of life by watching the Facts of Life.
Speaker 4: Such a there's so many amazing lines in that, like
Speaker 4: friends are supposed to speak to you like that, Stephen.
Speaker 2: It's so I mean that the porno passwords scenes are
Speaker 2: so funny. And if you haven't seen it, it's it's
Speaker 2: it's a darker kind of comedy. And it's directed by
Speaker 2: Ben Stiller, written by Jad Apatao. I think basically wrote it.
Speaker 2: Yeah I must, I think, I think I musure if
Speaker 2: you got the full credit for it. But apparently he
Speaker 2: largely basically wrote wrote this. And and it's the first
Speaker 2: time we really probably have seen Owen Wilson. He plays
Speaker 2: a great, you know, kind of swami jerk.
Speaker 1: Yeah boyfriend.
Speaker 4: On the date I spotted that, I was like, that
Speaker 4: guy is amazing. I love it when you watch films.
Speaker 4: I love watching the people that do the bit part
Speaker 4: and absolutely nail it so hard that it haunts you
Speaker 4: for a little like distance in a movie where you're
Speaker 4: like that guy was amazing. He literally had like three lines,
Speaker 4: and it's still he's still on my mind, you know,
Speaker 4: And then he just went on to do huge things
Speaker 4: after that. Obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a bit the same with Bradley, and
Speaker 2: I certainly noticed I'm Wilson in Caba guys. While it's
Speaker 2: kind of if you're actually watching and you're knowing how
Speaker 2: difficult that kind of role can be, he plays it
Speaker 2: really well. And another kind of guy who did a
Speaker 2: similar kind of role in the movie had a bigger
Speaker 2: role was Bradley Cooper in Wedding Crashes. He was like
Speaker 2: such kind of a jerk in that movie, and I
Speaker 2: was like, but buddy, hell he's good, Like he's just
Speaker 2: like Howgard's this guy? He's funny but being the jerk.
Speaker 2: And another one I always remember with Rachel McAdams and
Speaker 2: Men Girls, I was like, like, who is that, Like she's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's a star, yeah yeah, and she yeah, She's
Speaker 4: obviously gone on to do huge scenes.
Speaker 1: All great films. No doubt about that.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I haven't seen a couple of them
Speaker 2: Gumo or check out in the Wild Parents of Telegraph
Speaker 2: Hill check those out. And we know Cowboy and the
Speaker 2: Cable Guy Getting Some Love and the Polish film again
Speaker 2: is called.
Speaker 4: Yes I should I should mention some other films that
Speaker 4: people these are pretty obscure. Taxi Drivers another one of mine.
Speaker 4: I love I love being outsiders, being put and being
Speaker 4: put through the ringer.
Speaker 2: Essentially, all stories are basically if you're writing a film
Speaker 2: or you know, what you are trying to do is
Speaker 2: have your protagonists get to a destination that they believe
Speaker 2: they need and or they want, and then we will
Speaker 2: find out that they may need something else or you know,
Speaker 2: but what you're trying to do is create these obstacles
Speaker 2: in front of them and actually like really put your
Speaker 2: character through the ring and like you are like a
Speaker 2: god looking down and you need to be a vicious
Speaker 2: god and make make it seeming possible for that.
Speaker 1: That is exactly what you know. Good movies are generally
Speaker 1: a characters.
Speaker 2: We want to see human beings at the testing point,
Speaker 2: you know, the pressure points.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think Also, like I've named films that
Speaker 4: have really really affected me in my twenties, and I
Speaker 4: felt like we're quite formative because I was going through
Speaker 4: a lot at that time. I don't know if you
Speaker 4: know about my past, but I was a Mormon then,
Speaker 4: so I was breaking out of this like deep sort
Speaker 4: of a lot of philosophical stuff. And I've found, I've found,
Speaker 4: I've like these films that I've that I've mentioned are
Speaker 4: ones that I felt like were very formative in helping
Speaker 4: me kind of like find this kind of a new
Speaker 4: way of thinking. So I've named though, so they're very serious.
Speaker 4: So I've got another whole category that is, like, you know,
Speaker 4: entertainment and stuff, but they're the ones that I really
Speaker 4: just have really imprinted on my mind because I find
Speaker 4: that things that are entertaining often like they're they're a
Speaker 4: bit more throwaway and there's an abs obviously there's a
Speaker 4: you know, that's a whole different ballpark. But yeah, those
Speaker 4: are the one. Yeah, those are ones that really So
Speaker 4: can I mention my more movie? Of course? So, well,
Speaker 4: my Conkubine It is another art house do you know
Speaker 4: that one?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just beautiful film. Yeah, it's so beautiful, And
Speaker 4: I think that really woke me up to you know,
Speaker 4: cinema from other parts of the world, and it's just
Speaker 4: so beautifully filmed, and the story is just so powerful
Speaker 4: and it's an epic, so that one I love also.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I stop. I've stopped now. I stopped with
Speaker 4: my list of like thirty five favorite films.
Speaker 1: You did, say to me, I'll just three starf fork,
Speaker 1: I mention a few more.
Speaker 2: Can do whatever you like, do whatever you like, just
Speaker 2: going back though I probably don't know enough about the
Speaker 2: Mormon lifestyle and the and the commitments you make.
Speaker 1: But we you're watching movies at all growing up?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I was a huge avid movie watch. In fact,
Speaker 4: when I was going through the list, I was having
Speaker 4: a bit of a giggle because I watched American Werewolf
Speaker 4: in London when I was like six. That's not a
Speaker 4: good My parents had noe, you know. Back in the day.
Speaker 4: Parents were very like to likes. But I used to
Speaker 4: do this thing because of the way our couches were
Speaker 4: arranged in our lound room. I could, like I could
Speaker 4: crawl out of the hallway and hide behind the couch
Speaker 4: and watch movies when I wassed in be in bed
Speaker 4: when my parents were watching movies. So That's how I
Speaker 4: ended up watching that. It was from behind the couch,
Speaker 4: so that wasn't really I was allowed to. I brought
Speaker 4: that upon myself, So that was a bit traumatic, but
Speaker 4: you know, just dealt with.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you are so artistic, and I mentioned,
Speaker 2: you know, not just obviously the stuff we all know
Speaker 2: you from, you know, the TV shows, obviously Marsha when
Speaker 2: you exploded onto the scene.
Speaker 1: But you're an artist.
Speaker 2: And if I'm looking at you now and you have
Speaker 2: an amazing portrait of your I believe it's your grandmother, yeah,
Speaker 2: behind you. When did that kick off? What would you
Speaker 2: art always something that you were exploring growing up?
Speaker 1: Or was that something?
Speaker 5: Yeah? It was?
Speaker 4: It was I felt like I was just one of
Speaker 4: those kids where I knew always that I was going
Speaker 4: to pursue something of an artistic nature. I think at
Speaker 4: the time I knew there was this little performer in me,
Speaker 4: but I was too shy and I didn't know if
Speaker 4: that would ever come out, and I think that was
Speaker 4: a massive frustration of mine, and so I poured all
Speaker 4: that into the art I drew from a really young age,
Speaker 4: and I could feel that that's where I felt really
Speaker 4: there was this release and immersion. That made me feel
Speaker 4: really good about myself when I had very low self
Speaker 4: esteem as a kid. So I discovered that from a
Speaker 4: young age and I knew that was my calling, but
Speaker 4: I just didn't know what shape it would take.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible, that's great to mar Okay, before we
Speaker 2: talk about this film, let's have it a Listen to
Speaker 2: a scene from Moon Striker.
Speaker 8: I'm getting married again.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you did this work before?
Speaker 8: Didn't work out and the guy died.
Speaker 9: And what killed him?
Speaker 8: He got hit by a bus.
Speaker 9: No bad luck. Your mother and I were married fifty
Speaker 9: two years. Nobody died. You were married one two years.
Speaker 9: Somebody's dead. Don't get married again, Loretta, it don't work
Speaker 9: out for you.
Speaker 4: Who's the man, Johnny Cammerary.
Speaker 9: He's a big baby and waiting to dear with.
Speaker 8: You're telling me this because he's flying to Sicily.
Speaker 4: His mother is dying.
Speaker 9: More bad luck. Like his face, Loretta. Don't like his
Speaker 9: lips when he spiled. I can't see his teeth. What
Speaker 9: does he hide? When are you gonna do it?
Speaker 4: In a month?
Speaker 9: I won't come.
Speaker 4: You gotta come. You gotta give me away.
Speaker 9: I didn't give away the first.
Speaker 8: Time, and I had bad luck. You know, maybe if
Speaker 8: you if you gave me away and I got married
Speaker 8: in a church in a wedding dress instead of down
Speaker 8: at the city hall with strangers standing outside the door,
Speaker 8: then maybe I wouldn't have had the bad.
Speaker 5: Luck I had.
Speaker 8: Maybe, you know, Pop, I had no reception.
Speaker 4: No wedding peake, no nothing.
Speaker 8: Johnny got do on his knees and proposed to me
Speaker 8: at the grand tune he did.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't sound like Johnny Well.
Speaker 1: With a ring here.
Speaker 9: It looks stupid. It's a it's a baby, it's a
Speaker 9: madge ring.
Speaker 5: It's temporary.
Speaker 9: Everything is temporary.
Speaker 8: Excuse, but you're coming.
Speaker 9: It's gonna tell you.
Speaker 2: I was going to share there with the Great Vincent
Speaker 2: A Gaddinia from Norman Jewison's Moonstrack from nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 2: also starting the Cage, of course, and Olyma do Kacas
Speaker 2: who wins? And Oscar Ho Did you enjoy Moonstrack?
Speaker 4: I think it's up there now as one of my favorites.
Speaker 4: I loved it so much, Pete, I loved it so much. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like I just it just resonated so hard. And it
Speaker 4: is from that era that I've already talked about that
Speaker 4: I love films of the eighties because I'm a child
Speaker 4: of the eighties and just I just relished every moment
Speaker 4: in that film, everything from all the little espressos, like
Speaker 4: there was just no the detail in that film, because
Speaker 4: I have huge I love every aspect of filmmaking, like
Speaker 4: the art direction, and I notice all the details. So
Speaker 4: like you know, when they go into her auntie and
Speaker 4: Uncle's shop, their store and she's cutting up the I
Speaker 4: think it's like provolonna.
Speaker 5: And all that.
Speaker 4: It's just like I just I just didn't want the
Speaker 4: film to end. And what I find fascinating about that
Speaker 4: film if you look at it, it happens within a
Speaker 4: space of days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for these four days, and the full moon
Speaker 1: lasts four days.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not I'm not an astronomer, but I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure full moves don't last that long.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: Not only that, but it's like, yeah, without like it
Speaker 4: being a spoiler, like all like it's a very fast sequence.
Speaker 2: We came, by the way, to do spoilers for this movie.
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it, you've certainly been one.
Speaker 1: We will.
Speaker 2: We can't talk about the movie without doing spoilers. So
Speaker 2: you know, watch the movie, but we are free to discuss.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, So like I just find it so nuts,
Speaker 4: just even the turnaround for when she meets Nick Cage's
Speaker 4: character Johnny too completely nuts to him declaring hisself literally
Speaker 4: within a.
Speaker 2: Night, it is like and it goes against so you know,
Speaker 2: the most of the structure of most romantic comedies, where
Speaker 2: it's you know, boy meets girl, boy hates girl, you know,
Speaker 2: and and there's there's supposed to be this kind of tension,
Speaker 2: this tug of war of like will they won't they?
Speaker 2: This is like so quickly, oh they are. And then
Speaker 2: when they like, there's a thing where often it's it's
Speaker 2: like you're not supposed to. I know when we made
Speaker 2: I made the movie I Love You Too, and it said, yeah,
Speaker 2: a lofe story between characters Jim and Alis played by
Speaker 2: Brendan Cale and Ivonstrokovsky, And there was we were even
Speaker 2: talking about that they shouldn't kiss, you know, too quickly,
Speaker 2: you know, because you kind of like you want to
Speaker 2: save that moment when they do kiss, you know, it
Speaker 2: needs to be a type of kiss.
Speaker 1: You know, you want a big kiss at the end.
Speaker 2: In the end, our characters do sleep together kind of
Speaker 2: quite quickly, but then it all goes kind of pair shape.
Speaker 2: But with this they sleep together quickly and then it
Speaker 2: doesn't really go pair shaped at all. It's kind of
Speaker 2: just like it's kind of fine, Like there's a tension
Speaker 2: and we all know that there's she's engaged and the
Speaker 2: brother is going to come back eventually, but I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, and it works. It's a magical film, but
Speaker 1: you know what it is.
Speaker 4: It absolutely speaks of the fact that so many of
Speaker 4: them had OSCAR either nominations or won. I absolutely I
Speaker 4: can see why because it was absolutely related to the acting,
Speaker 4: like that cast was seamless, and the believability of really
Speaker 4: what's a bit of a ridiculous premise was complete, Like
Speaker 4: I just I was cool with that, like you just
Speaker 4: felt for it. And even like there were so many
Speaker 4: aspects to the film I find really fascinating because there
Speaker 4: were so many aspects that shouldn't have worked, and if
Speaker 4: that was delivered to you in a script form, you
Speaker 4: would go, that's crazy, like it's not going to be believable.
Speaker 4: But even the volatility of nearly all the characters with
Speaker 4: that Italian passion, like it was just like volatile love, volatile.
Speaker 4: It was just like that whole Italian thing was so
Speaker 4: wonderfully and fantastically executed that it made it believable because
Speaker 4: she was so I don't know, it was just a
Speaker 4: whole film I just found so endearing and so unbelievable,
Speaker 4: but also so realistic in so many ways.
Speaker 2: The authenticity in this film as far as I mean,
Speaker 2: we do have some actors who aren't telling you who
Speaker 2: are playing family, but that's that, and that's not of
Speaker 2: me kind of going, you know, should they be playing
Speaker 2: That's just pointing out that there were share is an.
Speaker 1: Olympic de carcass Is Greek. It doesn't. They're fantastic in
Speaker 1: the roles. I'm not. I'm not making a point of that.
Speaker 1: But the authenticity of the like.
Speaker 2: You said, the stores in the daily and it's it's like,
Speaker 2: there's not It doesn't feel like there's a set in
Speaker 2: this movie at all. It feels like it's all shot
Speaker 2: on location. The food looks real, everything looks real, you.
Speaker 4: Know, food scenes as you know, being someone food.
Speaker 8: I was just like.
Speaker 4: I couldn't get enough of it. I was just like glued,
Speaker 4: even the bit you know, and I love all the
Speaker 4: little details, like know when she gets home from her
Speaker 4: working her fifty jobs and then her grand the dogs
Speaker 4: come down the stairs, and not just one dog, there's
Speaker 4: like five dogs. And then I noticed there was like
Speaker 4: a little dog door at the top of the stairs.
Speaker 4: I was just like everything, there's been no story left unturned,
Speaker 4: you know, it's just amazing. And how's of that, Pete.
Speaker 4: Did you notice that amazing little bit part by the
Speaker 4: girl that works at the bakery.
Speaker 1: Oh, the girl who shed the tear, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: That was in love with him, and she was like
Speaker 4: tort to like just those little bits. I was like,
Speaker 4: they've squeezed in. It's a very compact film, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: It's no lulls, No, absolutely not, And that there are
Speaker 2: things that shouldn't work or should maybe potentially take us
Speaker 2: out of the movie. That there's that woman who we
Speaker 2: haven't met before and we don't see after that just
Speaker 2: sheds a tear and talks about how she loves him,
Speaker 2: and she's almost talking to herself. She's not even saying
Speaker 2: it to Ronnie or to Loretta or to anyone else.
Speaker 2: She just basically says it to herself, like there's no
Speaker 2: real reason why the camera should be on.
Speaker 1: That woman at that time.
Speaker 2: It works, and it just the movie is stronger for
Speaker 2: having it not just about Ronnie and Loretta and then
Speaker 2: Johnny is that the thirdies, the brother who's gone to Sicily,
Speaker 2: but for having the parents you know as part of this,
Speaker 2: you know, and examining their relationship and the in laws
Speaker 2: and the grandfather with the wolf pack of dogs if
Speaker 2: you like, which obviously there are some motifs we can
Speaker 2: get into soon. But I think because it's not just
Speaker 2: centered on Loretta and Ronnie share a nick cage, it's
Speaker 2: stronger because I think if you did try to, if
Speaker 2: you spend more time in that relationship, you would need
Speaker 2: you would need those kind of ups and downs and
Speaker 2: ebbs and flows, which it doesn't really have.
Speaker 4: Do you think they served as like really effective distractions,
Speaker 4: but in terms of stand alone it would have looked
Speaker 4: really unrealistic because it was right. But with all those
Speaker 4: distractions that were basically informing you of their community, their culture,
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff, it just gave it this
Speaker 4: kind of home to sit in that made it believable,
Speaker 4: made the main premise of the story believable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we were speaking earlier about those seventies films
Speaker 2: and sometimes just existing, you know, in people's lives, and
Speaker 2: sometimes it doesn't have to be narrative driven. This is
Speaker 2: obviously a narrative driven to a degree, but you can
Speaker 2: still build a world where you kind of love being
Speaker 2: in it and still be a narrative based film.
Speaker 1: And this does it really well. Like I said, the
Speaker 1: authenticity of.
Speaker 2: The every building they're in and the streets beautiful, and
Speaker 2: the family screwed up, you know, and that's fine that
Speaker 2: you know, that's there. There's love in the family. Still,
Speaker 2: it's been tested and you know, and there are obviously
Speaker 2: neither of I believe Italian, you know, so sometimes.
Speaker 4: I feel I am because I talk with my hands
Speaker 4: a lot, and I love Italian food and cooking it.
Speaker 1: And all the stereotypes are here, but they don't feel
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: And if you're Italian listening to this, you can get
Speaker 2: onto the speak pipe and let us know what you
Speaker 2: think of this movie as an Italian.
Speaker 1: But because you got the car, you've got the characters.
Speaker 2: The superstition has very become a big you know, it's
Speaker 2: seen as very big, and they all hop larded.
Speaker 1: They're overly dramatic families.
Speaker 2: Everything they talk with their hands, it's pinching of cheeks,
Speaker 2: it is biting of hands, but it just doesn't feel
Speaker 2: so over the top. It kind of feels, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel too cliche, to be honest, even though
Speaker 2: they are certainly Italian and they're not hiding that at all.
Speaker 1: This is a New York Italian movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I absolutely yeah, I absolutely. You just
Speaker 4: you just fall into it effortlessly, even though, like you said,
Speaker 4: it's also sort of like cliche in a way, but
Speaker 4: it doesn't feel quick flick.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think it is. I think when something is
Speaker 4: done authentically.
Speaker 2: If it comes from a place of love as well,
Speaker 2: and it's not. And this movie, I just you don't
Speaker 2: make this movie. If you're not in love with this movie.
Speaker 2: I don't think you know what, because it's not like
Speaker 2: an idea that kind of goes, oh, that movie must
Speaker 2: be made.
Speaker 1: Like you said, you pitch, you pitch this movie.
Speaker 2: You even show the script of somebody and they're gonna
Speaker 2: have a lot of questions and probably be a bit reticent,
Speaker 2: she apparently thought. As she was making the movie. He
Speaker 2: said to Olympia du Carcus, I think this movie is
Speaker 2: going to be a dud. Now they both end up
Speaker 2: whenning Oskarus for it, I'm not sure of Olympa Duacacus
Speaker 2: agreed with her, and she was this is a big
Speaker 2: breakthrough for her, you know, and at an older age,
Speaker 2: and you know where we kind of consider breakthroughs. But
Speaker 2: she was more of a theater actress. And I've loved
Speaker 2: oly carcass and everything she is in. I think she's
Speaker 2: kind of the heart of this movie in a way.
Speaker 4: I agree, and I think there's something very interesting about
Speaker 4: this film, and I think, like I said, I think
Speaker 4: it's all those supporting roles at Bolster and give life
Speaker 4: to the main what looks like the main storyline. And
Speaker 4: she's just got such an amazing presence in the film
Speaker 4: that that's what. Yeah, kind of she's the glue that
Speaker 4: holds everything together and just another thing as a woman
Speaker 4: watching that film, I was like, these are really awesome
Speaker 4: female parts. Like I just thought, what great what two
Speaker 4: great parts, And just and you know that scene where
Speaker 4: Olympi Dacacas's character goes to have dinner on her own
Speaker 4: and she just goes, I have Martini, no ice and
Speaker 4: two olives. I just remember and I was like, what
Speaker 4: a smooth bird. I was like she was just like
Speaker 4: knew who she was. And then there was that like
Speaker 4: a part from the guy from Fraser Yeah yeah John
Speaker 4: Mahoney Young Jong mahone and him just having a go
Speaker 4: and she's like, she goes no, because I know who
Speaker 4: I am. You know, I was like, what a kick
Speaker 4: ass woman. It was just there's just yeah, I love
Speaker 4: the female characters in there, so so good.
Speaker 2: It was so good because there's there's obviously a couple
Speaker 2: of motives here, and the wolf is one of them.
Speaker 2: Where there are there are wolves, there's references, you know,
Speaker 2: the obviously Well we might start actually with actually playing
Speaker 2: the bit where Loretta actually refers to brings up this
Speaker 2: idea that Ronnie the cage he is a wolf.
Speaker 8: Look, you know I was raised that a girl gets
Speaker 8: married young.
Speaker 4: I held out for love.
Speaker 9: I got married when I.
Speaker 8: Was I met a man, I loved him.
Speaker 4: I married him.
Speaker 8: And then if you want to have a baby right away,
Speaker 8: and I said no, that we should wait. And then
Speaker 8: he gets hit by a bus.
Speaker 5: So what do I go?
Speaker 8: I got no man, no baby, no nothing. You know,
Speaker 8: how did I know that that man was a gift?
Speaker 8: I could keep up my one chance of happiness.
Speaker 1: You tell me the story and.
Speaker 9: You act like you know what it means.
Speaker 8: But I can see what the true story is and
Speaker 8: you can't. That woman didn't leave you. Okay, you can't
Speaker 8: see what you are and I see everything.
Speaker 5: You're a wolf.
Speaker 3: I'm a wolf.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, the big part of you has has
Speaker 8: no words, and it's a wolf.
Speaker 1: You know that woman was a trap for you.
Speaker 8: She caught you and you couldn't get away, so you
Speaker 8: you chewed off your own foot. That was the price
Speaker 8: you had to pay for your freedom. You know, Johnny
Speaker 8: had nothing to do with it. You did what you
Speaker 8: had to do between you and you. And now now
Speaker 8: you're afraid because you know the big part of you
Speaker 8: is a wolf that has the courage to bite off
Speaker 8: its own hand to save itself from the trap of
Speaker 8: the wrong love. That's why there's been no woman since
Speaker 8: that wrong woman. Okay, you're scared to death of what
Speaker 8: the wolf will do if you try and make that
Speaker 8: mistake again.
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 8: I'm telling you your life stop it.
Speaker 3: No, Why are you marrying Johnny?
Speaker 8: He's a fool because I have no love.
Speaker 9: He he made me look the wrong way and I
Speaker 9: cut off my hand.
Speaker 3: He could make you look the wrong way. You could
Speaker 3: lose your whole head.
Speaker 8: I'm looking where I have to to become a bride,
Speaker 8: a bride head without a foot.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's and there's a lot of wolf
Speaker 2: stuff going on before then there's even the couple at
Speaker 2: the liquor store that she says, argue about the way
Speaker 2: he looked at another woman. You look, he looked at
Speaker 2: her like a wolf dogs scene.
Speaker 4: I love that scene.
Speaker 2: And yeah, the little examples of romance she's given that
Speaker 2: flower rose at at the start, and but yeah, the
Speaker 2: dogs are hawling at the moon. They kind of is
Speaker 2: a pack of dogs, which gott to remind you of
Speaker 2: a pack of wolves. You know when when Ronnie, when
Speaker 2: Loretta first calls Ronnie, he kind of hangs up on
Speaker 2: her or he kind of, you know, dismisses her. And
Speaker 2: what she actually says is what an animal?
Speaker 4: Animal is?
Speaker 1: What an animal?
Speaker 2: Did I suspect that the professor at the which is
Speaker 2: John Mahoney's character, who you know, he goes out with
Speaker 2: younger women and he kind of because he kind of
Speaker 2: sees the reflection he's only reflecting in their eyes and
Speaker 2: sees what he hopes to be or what he wanted
Speaker 2: to be or the younger version of himself. And then
Speaker 2: they realized that he's just an old guy, you know,
Speaker 2: gas bagging on and they end up throwing a water
Speaker 2: at him. But I suspect that's you know, the way
Speaker 2: I read that was he's like a wolf in sheep's clothing,
Speaker 2: and I'd love that scene. And then when we listen
Speaker 2: to that scene from Loretta and you mentioned that scene
Speaker 2: with Rose Olympecarcas where she knew who she was, and
Speaker 2: you can see in that scene you can see the daughter,
Speaker 2: the mother and the daughter, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like you can see that she feels like she was
Speaker 2: raised bycas Rose.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely. Do you know what I also thought was
Speaker 4: really interesting is there's a lot of I felt like
Speaker 4: the step dressing and everything, there was a lot of
Speaker 4: negative space that you'd like fit for the audience to
Speaker 4: sort of read into, Like did you notice at his
Speaker 4: house he looked like he actually looked like a wolf
Speaker 4: when you found him in the ovens. When she went
Speaker 4: to see him, he was like he was like an animal.
Speaker 4: The way his monologue was amazing, So.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's just talk about the monologue and the
Speaker 2: oh there's the over the top, and we now know
Speaker 2: Nick Cage to be who Nick Cage is, and he
Speaker 2: acts at a level like he acts fifteen out of ten,
Speaker 2: like you know, he takes it to two hundred percent
Speaker 2: instead of one percent.
Speaker 1: He goes over the top.
Speaker 2: And apparently like the studio did not want Nick Cage,
Speaker 2: you didn't test particularly well in audition.
Speaker 1: Well, the Share fought for him.
Speaker 2: They wanted Peter Gallagher, a very good actor, but Share
Speaker 2: fought in fact, in fact, I said, I'm not doing
Speaker 2: it if you don't cast Nick Cage because she thought
Speaker 2: he could bring this mannic crazy, crazy energy, and he
Speaker 2: delivers in spades.
Speaker 4: The intensity of him and in that hot space and
Speaker 4: talking about him losing his hand, I reckon, that's one
Speaker 4: of the most intense, Like it's like scenes I've seen.
Speaker 4: It's just so it's just raw acting. You know. It's
Speaker 4: like you really can see why he became a star.
Speaker 4: It's just so much presence. But when you go to
Speaker 4: his house, just the contrast for a moment there, because
Speaker 4: she's wearing an apron and fixing him dinner. I'm like,
Speaker 4: hang on, wait she lives at home? Wait is this
Speaker 4: her house? Yeah, because it was quite feminine. And you
Speaker 4: see the opera poster and then like opera playing and
Speaker 4: it's really beautifully decorated and quite feminine in a way.
Speaker 4: And then you realize maybe he's like a tortured artist
Speaker 4: because he's got this great appreciation for culture and arts.
Speaker 4: And so I thought that was a really interesting little
Speaker 4: thing that it's never really explicitly spoken about. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is why he hates being in that dungeon cooking
Speaker 4: bread all day, because he's really this other thing that's
Speaker 4: never really spoken about.
Speaker 2: And it's really interesting, like you're saying we're going to
Speaker 2: spoke about earlier where they're letting us join dots in
Speaker 2: a way, like you don't look at nic Cage when
Speaker 2: we meet him and go, oh, he'd be an opera guy.
Speaker 2: Like no, like he seems like the opposite of an
Speaker 2: opera guy. And then he says, there's two things I love.
Speaker 2: I love you and I love the opera. Say I
Speaker 2: can have those two things for one night that I'll
Speaker 2: be a happy man. I'll come to the wedding. But
Speaker 2: you don't like when I say that, Lad, I should
Speaker 2: I should have been going this go really an opera gay.
Speaker 2: It doesn't present as an opera guy, but you just don't.
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, there's that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think The Full Moon actually works somehow when you're
Speaker 2: watching it as well, like it casts a spell and
Speaker 2: it is that lovely.
Speaker 1: I watched it twice this week.
Speaker 2: The second time I watched it, it's like, this is
Speaker 2: like the most non Woody Allen, Woody Allen film I've seen.
Speaker 2: I think, like if it could easily be a Woody
Speaker 2: Allen film, and maybe because it's in New York, I agree.
Speaker 4: I agree. No, No, it's got that kind of humor
Speaker 4: and it's not really laugh out loud stuff. It's just
Speaker 4: like the absurdity of life. And honestly, I related it.
Speaker 4: I related to it so much because I've had some
Speaker 4: pretty interesting twists and turns in my life where my
Speaker 4: ex husband is married to my best friend, and to me,
Speaker 4: this storyline is actually as much as it's the timeline
Speaker 4: that's absurd, it's not really the content to me, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, life is this. And I've seen couples where
Speaker 4: there's been infidelities and they forgive each other and they
Speaker 4: struggle through it, and it's life is just so it
Speaker 4: is so much stranger than fiction, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think we forgive the genius of you
Speaker 1: could do this movie.
Speaker 2: You've got to tempt this movie without the full moon
Speaker 2: playing being a character in the film. But what the
Speaker 2: full moon gives us is and it gives the filmmaker
Speaker 2: permission to kind of accelerate these things because they set
Speaker 2: up that there's something about the full moon, the magic
Speaker 2: of a moon, and I think I believe there's a
Speaker 2: whole kind of fable. It's not the right word, but
Speaker 2: for those who look up at a full moon are
Speaker 2: looking for love, and those who don't and look down
Speaker 2: and don't look at the moon are waiting for death.
Speaker 1: But that's that's a thing.
Speaker 2: And you and you go through the characters and it's
Speaker 2: it's the it's the the uncle who you know, gets
Speaker 2: his youth back and his wife looks at him in
Speaker 2: this moonlight, you look, you're twenty five years old, and
Speaker 2: then they get.
Speaker 1: It on and.
Speaker 2: He's still going about it the next day in the
Speaker 2: daily he's almost like looking for high far and she's like,
Speaker 2: I'll stop it and stop it.
Speaker 4: She's that scene as well, when he goes to snuggle
Speaker 4: up next to her and she's like kind of slapping
Speaker 4: him away. It is so beautiful, like that just warmed
Speaker 4: the cockles of my heart. I was like, that is
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, I love that scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's really beautiful and it's really beautifully played.
Speaker 2: And you don't often see those kind of scenes of
Speaker 2: characters that age. And you have Olympiad Carcass. Well, you
Speaker 2: have actually Ronnie and Loretta who have have slept together.
Speaker 2: They both get up and watched it. They see the
Speaker 2: full moon that they're looking up at it. And then
Speaker 2: you have Rose Olympiad Carcass, who gets up and looks
Speaker 2: at it. I think she even goes to wake Cosmo,
Speaker 2: her husband, but he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He sleeps through it.
Speaker 2: And I think when the uncle tells the story originally
Speaker 2: when he first saw the full moon and where we
Speaker 2: set it up, that he caught a Cosmo's moon because
Speaker 2: he looked down and Cosmo was seeing it, and he
Speaker 2: thought he loved Rose so much that he had actually
Speaker 2: brought this full moon on and he was jealous of
Speaker 2: that kind of love. And now Cosmo has not ever
Speaker 2: been waking up for it.
Speaker 4: No, no, and she's standing there wistfully. I think she's yeah,
Speaker 4: you can see her eyes are watery, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because she knows, she knows what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yes, and we know by this stage as well that
Speaker 2: he as he's seeing somebody on the side.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so their marriage has been tested.
Speaker 2: And I think we suspect because Rose is seems to
Speaker 2: be a very worldly character as far as she seems
Speaker 2: to be a very good reader of people that I
Speaker 2: think we know that she knows, and it's just about her, Like,
Speaker 2: deep down, I think she knows. She doesn't walk, she
Speaker 2: doesn't seem it the opera, Loretta doesn't tell her. I
Speaker 2: do love the line where she says, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I've seen you or not, Like I don't like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to commit to saying that I'm not
Speaker 2: because he's like, I haven't seen you, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've seen you or not.
Speaker 1: It's a great little line.
Speaker 4: It's a great look. There's so many of those in
Speaker 4: the film. Okay, I've written down my favorite line in
Speaker 4: the film. Can I Say it to you?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Will is it?
Speaker 4: Okay. It's when he's trying to convince her to come
Speaker 4: back into his apartment after the opera. She's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: you said it was just the opera. And he says,
Speaker 4: come on, we're here to ruin ourselves and to break
Speaker 4: our hearts and love the young people and die. The
Speaker 4: storybooks are bullshit. Now, I want you to come with
Speaker 4: me and get.
Speaker 1: In my bed. He really does say, like get in
Speaker 1: my bed like he says it.
Speaker 2: You know, we go on the bed like He's just
Speaker 2: like you really hear that line like get in my
Speaker 2: bed in real life or in movies. Let's have listened
Speaker 2: to that scene because it is nickkay Jones, Loretta, I
Speaker 2: love you.
Speaker 3: Not like they told you. Love is And I didn't
Speaker 3: know this either. But love don't make things nice. It
Speaker 3: ruins everything.
Speaker 7: It breaks your heart, It makes things a mess. We
Speaker 7: aren't here to make things perfect. Snowflakes are perfect, stars
Speaker 7: are perfect, not us, not us.
Speaker 3: We are here to ruin ourselves and to break heart
Speaker 3: and love the wrong people and and die. I mean
Speaker 3: that the story books are bullshit. I want you to
Speaker 3: come upstairs with me and get in my bed.
Speaker 2: I can't say I've given that speech at the front
Speaker 2: of the house or but it is. It's Nick Cage
Speaker 2: just absolutely going for it. I would love because it
Speaker 2: was early Nick Cage. I'd love to know what Norman
Speaker 2: Jewis and the director thought he was watching. Was he like, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's get a couple where we just turn it down
Speaker 2: a little bit, or was he saying, nah, keep going.
Speaker 1: I mean they wanted a guy, and it works.
Speaker 2: Because it's not just the moon that gives him permission
Speaker 2: to kind of accelerate this story. I think you need
Speaker 2: somebody who is thinking outside the norm and and thinking
Speaker 2: on another level, like a wolf in a way. And
Speaker 2: I think we see that Laretta. We can't believe because
Speaker 2: Loretta feels a bit like you. She had this bad
Speaker 2: luck and she's living with her parents, and she's she
Speaker 2: probably hasn't had that anyone. She probably never anyone like Ronnie.
Speaker 2: You know, she wants she loves the idea of spending
Speaker 2: time with the beasts in a way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Also she's a really strong character, Like
Speaker 4: she's a very strong that's just she's just got this
Speaker 4: way about her, even though you know, she thinks she's
Speaker 4: been scourged with this bad luck, but she's very matter
Speaker 4: of fact. She really tackles live head on. Anyone who
Speaker 4: wasn't that wild? I don't think would have made that
Speaker 4: whole scenario convincing at all, because she was it was
Speaker 4: going to take so much for her to snap out
Speaker 4: of that, that belief that you know, you know, she
Speaker 4: was fated to take this path, you know, and that
Speaker 4: settling for what she seemed like saw her as her
Speaker 4: only option was what she was going to do just
Speaker 4: because it was okay and a decent thing to do,
Speaker 4: not because she was like impassioned by it or anything.
Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, it wouldn't have been convincing otherwise,
Speaker 4: because you know, you could see she was very certain
Speaker 4: about what she was doing and why she was doing,
Speaker 4: and she was so frank. The other thing where she
Speaker 4: was so frank about she goes do you love him?
Speaker 4: She goes no about her fiance, all those little bits
Speaker 4: you're just like, oh my god, that is life. And
Speaker 4: it was just said spoken out. And I don't know
Speaker 4: if you noticed through the film, no one ever really
Speaker 4: when they were asked a question. They never lied.
Speaker 1: There was a reception.
Speaker 4: But every time someone said do you love him? No,
Speaker 4: I you know, did you do that yes? Like they
Speaker 4: were just it was very interesting and I found that
Speaker 4: so invigorating to watch as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did not notice that. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: that's really fascinating.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing that's.
Speaker 2: Going on in this movie, which I think separates her
Speaker 2: from other romantic comedies, is it's largely it's.
Speaker 1: Also about death. Like death. They're obsessed with death. It's
Speaker 1: mentioned so many times.
Speaker 2: In fact, the first scene we see there's some foreshadowing
Speaker 2: when Loretta walks into she's basically a book keeper, so
Speaker 2: she visits different businesses and takes care of their books.
Speaker 2: And the first one she does is a funeral parlor.
Speaker 2: She's taking care of, you know, the books for them.
Speaker 2: And then we learned that Loretta's previous husband was killed
Speaker 2: when he was hit by a bus. Johnny's mother is dying,
Speaker 2: by the way. That scene where he calls them the
Speaker 2: deathbed is very funny. I'm calling for my mother's death, dad,
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, how was the flight, She's like
Speaker 2: nonchalant about it.
Speaker 4: Do you think it's also the whole death thing. It's
Speaker 4: a very cultural thing. I think like it's part of
Speaker 4: Catholicism as well, where it's just like births, deaths, marriages
Speaker 4: are still very much like a big deal with Italian communities.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, because there's the christening and
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff is very much part of
Speaker 4: the culture. I feel like with these cultures where like
Speaker 4: three generations exist very comfortably and together, like I think
Speaker 4: in Australia not so much, but in Italian culture, yeah,
Speaker 4: those like three it's always the three generations mingling very
Speaker 4: comfortably together. It's part of what that culture is. So
Speaker 4: that's always going to involve acknowledging death, and I think
Speaker 4: people are more aware of that, whereas I think when
Speaker 4: there's not that togetherness you can kind of avoid it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the fact that Johnny goes back to Sicily to
Speaker 2: be at his mother's deathbed, which is not like I'm
Speaker 2: not saying, of course other cultures will do that. It's
Speaker 2: not like it's a reasonably sensible thing that you know,
Speaker 2: natural thing to do. But you do get there and
Speaker 2: she doesn't look like she is in bed, but she
Speaker 2: seems pretty sprightly for somebody. It's a pretty sprightly deathbed.
Speaker 1: She's gotta got her hands up in the air at
Speaker 1: one point.
Speaker 4: I'm not dead yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think he's been duped on that,
Speaker 2: But I think you're absolutely right you know, and this
Speaker 2: is all these references, like there's one where it's you know,
Speaker 2: the dad said.
Speaker 1: Cosmo says, I can't sleep anymore. It's too much like death.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a the the the The Love of
Speaker 2: Heem is a lot about death that also has the
Speaker 2: moon in there as well.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Rose wakes up when they wake her up, when they
Speaker 2: tell to tell her that Larette is getting married.
Speaker 1: She wakes up.
Speaker 2: First thing she says, who's dead. Rose says about Cosmo
Speaker 2: if he he believes, if he holds onto his money,
Speaker 2: he will never die. Rose is obsessed with the question
Speaker 2: why the men chase women, and.
Speaker 1: Her beliefs the fear of death.
Speaker 2: Yes, Ronnie, Ronnie. When we meet Ronnie, he says, bring
Speaker 2: me the big knife. I'm gonna I'm gonna. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: kill myself in front of you. I want you to
Speaker 2: watch me kill myself. This is how overly dramatic that
Speaker 2: scene was. Rose says, at some point, I'm going to
Speaker 2: kick you until you're dead about something not eat, you know,
Speaker 2: not eating what's on their plate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he says. If she goes, oh, man,
Speaker 4: if you give another one of those one of my plates,
Speaker 4: to your dogs. I'm going to kick you, to.
Speaker 1: Kick you to your dad. That is not dinner party
Speaker 1: conversation poet, But you know that scene.
Speaker 4: That's it really sets her up as the matriarch. Yes,
Speaker 4: don't you reckon, because I reckon. There's a bit more
Speaker 4: lighting on her, and I think the dad's shrinking because
Speaker 4: he knows he's doing something bad. And it's just she's
Speaker 4: got these this presence and that's her father in law.
Speaker 4: She's talking to you as well, which is.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, well it is. It's a boss move, Loretta.
Speaker 2: After after Loretta and Ronnie sleep together, she says, you know,
Speaker 2: I should have taken a rock and killed myself, and
Speaker 2: she says, we're going to take this to our coffins.
Speaker 2: And even the dad sings about death. He's singing a
Speaker 2: little song at one point, and that's about death. Rose
Speaker 2: says to him, no matter what you do, you are
Speaker 2: going to die. It is just all through it, and
Speaker 2: I think it gives it. And I only really noticed
Speaker 2: it the second time I watched. I knew it was there,
Speaker 2: but I didn't realize how much. And when I kind
Speaker 2: of got onto it, I was I'm going to write
Speaker 2: down as many things about death as I could, and
Speaker 2: and it was like, it's so yeah, and it just
Speaker 2: gives you're not used to very many comedies being you know,
Speaker 2: so interested in that space.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I actually think it's very realistic. Absolutely, I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's something within the absurdity. There was so much that
Speaker 4: was just incredibly realistic. And you feel that as a human,
Speaker 4: you know, you connect to that immediately.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I loved it so much, Pete. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: can't stop thinking. I haven't stop thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so good.
Speaker 2: And also, I mean the the we kind of allow
Speaker 2: ourselves we're at risk of judging, you know, Loretta for
Speaker 2: you know, the infidelity of you know, her fiance just
Speaker 2: gone away. And they do a very good job of
Speaker 2: we don't. We don't ever, I certainly never did that.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you did that, because you kind
Speaker 2: of go, you know, they do a good job. You know,
Speaker 2: Johnny seems like a nice enough guy, but we know
Speaker 2: they're not really well matched. No, as you said, we
Speaker 2: know she says, you know, I don't love him. We
Speaker 2: know you know he was reluctant in the CA town
Speaker 2: and Bend knee because he's wearing a nice suit and
Speaker 2: like it, and it wasn't romantic, and we kind of
Speaker 2: see that she probably does crave that romantic to do
Speaker 2: things properly, and that he's kind of still doing things
Speaker 2: half ass.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I love that line. We're here to
Speaker 4: ruin ourselves and break on and love the wrong people.
Speaker 4: I just so identify with that. And it's so funny
Speaker 4: because like in the last three years, like I often
Speaker 4: call Matt, who's like my closest confident and my ex husband.
Speaker 4: I've even called the second ex dating advice because I
Speaker 4: know me so well. Right, So I'm like, so, am
Speaker 4: I really like this is the thing that is really
Speaker 4: bad about me? Right, the thing that like really you know,
Speaker 4: like we'll talk about things like that, and I go
Speaker 4: because obviously I want to get rid of that because
Speaker 4: that's what was part of the demise. And it's so
Speaker 4: funny because Matt always offers me this. He goes, po,
Speaker 4: we could just workshop this today, because he goes, but
Speaker 4: you're just going to do what you're going to do.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: We always want to think, oh, no, I'm going to
Speaker 4: do this and I'm get more strategic in this department
Speaker 4: that department. But you're just going to do what you're
Speaker 4: going to do because the heart what the heart wants. Right,
Speaker 4: a lot of times it doesn't make sense. That's just
Speaker 4: what desire and love is. And it's so funny because
Speaker 4: I heard fran Leeberwitz, who's like, you know, social commentator,
Speaker 4: most famous New Yorker, talk about it, and it's so
Speaker 4: in line with that New York mentality they have such
Speaker 4: a kind of it seems crass, but it's the absolute truth.
Speaker 4: Is just none of us want to say outright because
Speaker 4: it seems to ruin all our like, you know, all
Speaker 4: these perceptions of love that we've been absorbing from TV,
Speaker 4: like from such a young age. And she said, friends
Speaker 4: are the only people you get to choose. You don't
Speaker 4: choose family, You don't even get to choose love. She goes,
Speaker 4: it's bollocks that you get to choose love. That's just chemistry.
Speaker 4: That's nature playing a dumb joke on us, because she goes,
Speaker 4: everyone that I've ever been wildly attracted to are just
Speaker 4: so but have been so bad for me. And I
Speaker 4: was like, wow, that's profound, And this was just such
Speaker 4: a like that was that was it? I mean, we
Speaker 4: don't see two days after that end scene where everyone's
Speaker 4: like hunky dory and it's like, well, a love like
Speaker 4: a love fest.
Speaker 1: You know, well, even.
Speaker 2: We can jump to the end because no one. Jewison
Speaker 2: said this was one of the hardest scenes he's ever shot.
Speaker 2: For context, when you're watching a movie and you see
Speaker 2: like a dinner party scene or even like six characters
Speaker 2: at a dinner party, even for but you know, the
Speaker 2: more the more, it is a much harder scene to shoot,
Speaker 2: and it is more time consuming, and often if anyone
Speaker 2: moves that that creates complications.
Speaker 1: So this was apparently a really tough one the shoot.
Speaker 2: He actually got fined by the union because he basically
Speaker 2: got the crew out of the room and just work
Speaker 2: with the actors. And so we're not leaving until we
Speaker 2: kind of get the rhythm of this scene and we'll
Speaker 2: work out where he's going to move it, and then
Speaker 2: I'll set the cameras, which is is like that's often
Speaker 2: like when we did How to Stay Married and I
Speaker 2: was directing, and that's how we do things, and that's
Speaker 2: that's what I learned off the other directors. You basically
Speaker 2: get rid of the crew and then it's you and
Speaker 2: the actors. You run the lines, You kind of get
Speaker 2: their ideas where do you think you might want to walk?
Speaker 2: You may have strong ideas yourself, so you express those
Speaker 2: and then you bring the crew in and then you
Speaker 2: act out the scene and then you work out where
Speaker 2: the cameras are going to go. So but he got
Speaker 2: fined because they went through lunch and anyway, but he
Speaker 2: said it was a really tough scene to shoot. But
Speaker 2: again with this this thne that we keep coming back to,
Speaker 2: it's like why does this movie work? And we discussed
Speaker 2: many reasons why we love it, but there's things like
Speaker 2: the end you're going to go that shouldn't work in
Speaker 2: a way, like it's so matter of fact at the end,
Speaker 2: and you almost got that sickcomm ending of like, you know,
Speaker 2: even even Johnny's kind of brought into the you know,
Speaker 2: he's moping a bit because he's just realized that he's
Speaker 2: what's happened.
Speaker 1: But it works, It leaves you with a good feeling.
Speaker 4: I watched him most in that scene because I was like,
Speaker 4: it's interesting because he has to react to her suddenly
Speaker 4: reacting to him not wanting to let her fiance, telling
Speaker 4: her he now no longer wants to be engaged to
Speaker 4: her and I just wanted to see how he managed that,
Speaker 4: and it was spot on. Yeah, Like it was so
Speaker 4: interesting to see him manage, like him meeting new people,
Speaker 4: like being immersed in this crazy situation. And then there's
Speaker 4: like he realizes there's been infidelity that way, because he
Speaker 4: would have seen a bit of that at the opera
Speaker 4: as well. So there's a complexity of like, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: not saying anything, but then oh, I am involved in
Speaker 4: this bit, and yeah, that fascinates me. I didn't realize
Speaker 4: that that was such a And of course it would
Speaker 4: be such a complex thing because of course when it
Speaker 4: plays out, it's seamless. It's ridiculous, but you don't question
Speaker 4: it at all.
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to the final proposal from Nick Cage.
Speaker 3: Loretta Castarini, Will you marry me?
Speaker 8: Yes, Ronnie, in front of all these people, I'll marry you.
Speaker 1: Do you love him? Loretta?
Speaker 8: I love him?
Speaker 1: Marfel Oh god, that's too bad.
Speaker 5: She loves.
Speaker 9: What's the matter?
Speaker 5: Pop?
Speaker 8: Confused?
Speaker 1: Pop's confused?
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 1: He's just crying. It's very sweet. It's very sweet.
Speaker 2: But and the Olympica Cacus again Rose is when she
Speaker 2: we didn't play it, but when she just quite matter
Speaker 2: of factly just says to her husband, stop, you know
Speaker 2: your your life is not built on nothing, you know,
Speaker 2: and again like, you know, you got this over the
Speaker 2: top performance by Nick Cage on the other hand, but
Speaker 2: you've got this quiet, steadfast performance from Olympida Carcass and
Speaker 2: her character and it's just it's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Hey, can I bring out one other, really hilarious, other,
Speaker 4: little tiny thing that I loved when it was at
Speaker 4: that couple's house scraping the pipes. Yeah, like pipe I
Speaker 4: don't know what to use.
Speaker 2: Is a plumber, right, he's a plumber. He is committing
Speaker 2: that the copper pipe. You know it's more expensive, but
Speaker 2: you know it will save your money in the long run. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's quite proud of I'm not exactly sure why that scene.
Speaker 1: Needed to be there. I like it.
Speaker 2: It's funny. It's it's funny, and it's it develops character.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and it wasn't problematically, Like I wasn't like
Speaker 2: why that sim didn't need to be there. But when
Speaker 2: I think about it, he could have not had that scene.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad it's there.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like the girl at the bakery. You know,
Speaker 4: and like going back to that, I remember when she
Speaker 4: walks into the bakery, and even when the girl answered
Speaker 4: the phone the first time he ends up hanging.
Speaker 8: Up on her.
Speaker 4: The girl is a little bit like on her face,
Speaker 4: she's thinking, who's this girl? You could see that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: like she was already taking ownership over Johnny, Like you
Speaker 4: could see the crush and I was waiting for that
Speaker 4: to unfold, to see whether that was going to be
Speaker 4: his girlfriend, but it wasn't. And then she does that
Speaker 4: little thing, that little monologue or whatever, the little moment,
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh my god, it's these these things
Speaker 4: that are happening all around you. I think that's what
Speaker 4: it encapsulates. There's just the life that happens around you.
Speaker 4: That it was a very good They really captured, like,
Speaker 4: you know, the cross section because in your life, you're
Speaker 4: not only just living your romance. You've got like all
Speaker 4: these other things you're dealing with. And I think that's
Speaker 4: what it manages to to actually fit into the film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then everybody's going through something, and it might
Speaker 2: be that they're going through a good patch. Everything's kind
Speaker 2: of a phase. I always say that friends who've got
Speaker 2: babies or you know toddlers and they're like, oh, they
Speaker 2: they're not sleeping at the moment.
Speaker 1: I just everything's a phase.
Speaker 2: And that's probably true, and I haven't thought of it,
Speaker 2: but that's probably true of love as well, like and marriage,
Speaker 2: like you go through phases. You go through phase where
Speaker 2: things are a bit not going as well as they were,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, sometimes you can identify why,
Speaker 2: but sometimes it's just that changes.
Speaker 1: The mood changes and you have a you have a
Speaker 1: lovely phase and that might last my last weeks, months, years,
Speaker 1: but it is.
Speaker 2: And so to have this kind of think about it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this portrait of his family that you had a daughter
Speaker 2: and that you know father are both having these affairs,
Speaker 2: and you know that you can argue there's different severities
Speaker 2: as far as you know, it's a marriage of who
Speaker 2: knows how long it compared to being engaged, but it's
Speaker 2: still in fidelities and it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted before we wrap up, I just
Speaker 1: want to play the.
Speaker 2: Bit a bit from Olympic Drew Carcass because, like I said,
Speaker 2: I think she is the heart of the movie and
Speaker 2: this is her in the restaurant with I actually forget
Speaker 2: his name, but John Maloney's character.
Speaker 1: I asked a question, Oh, go ahead, why a man
Speaker 1: chase women.
Speaker 5: Nerves?
Speaker 1: I think it's because they feared Jeff.
Speaker 9: Well, maybe.
Speaker 5: Listen, you want to know why I chase women. I
Speaker 5: find women charming. Teach's classes I talked for a million years,
Speaker 5: spun me and it went open for me. A long
Speaker 5: time ago, I started out. I was excited about something
Speaker 5: I wanted to share it. Now it's road multiplication table.
Speaker 5: Except so sometimes sometimes I'll be droning along and I
Speaker 5: look up and I'll see a fresh, beautiful, young face
Speaker 5: and it's all new to her, and I'm just this
Speaker 5: great guy who is brilliant things out loud. And when
Speaker 5: that happens, when I look out there among those chairs
Speaker 5: and see a young woman's face and see me in
Speaker 5: her eyes, either way, I always wanted to be. Maybe
Speaker 5: once was I asked her out for date. It doesn't
Speaker 5: last long, a few weeks, a couple of precious months,
Speaker 5: and she catches on that I'm just this burned out
Speaker 5: old gas bag, and she's as fresh and bright and
Speaker 5: full of promise. He's moon lightened and Martini. At that moment,
Speaker 5: she stands up and throws a glass of water in
Speaker 5: my face with some action to that effect.
Speaker 4: Well, you don't know about women, there's a lot.
Speaker 5: Well that's not what I hear.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got this great it's a really lovely monologue.
Speaker 2: Whether you agree with him or not, but it's it's
Speaker 2: really well performed and well written. And she just has
Speaker 2: this one line that puts it all in perspective that
Speaker 2: you know, almost on you're full of ship, but not
Speaker 2: in a way that is, you know, she still leaves
Speaker 2: with him, she lets him walk you, and you're not sure.
Speaker 1: You're not sure because there's this thing going on with
Speaker 1: the color of red as well.
Speaker 2: We know red with synonymous with love, and you have
Speaker 2: like Loretta has that change where she goes to the
Speaker 2: hairdresser and she gets you know, the makeup, and she
Speaker 2: gets from her grays and and she's you know, stunning,
Speaker 2: and and it's not like she wasn't we make it
Speaker 2: before like she was. You can see that she was
Speaker 2: a beautiful woman before, but it's like, oh, this is wow,
Speaker 2: so beautiful, so beautiful.
Speaker 1: And she buys this, I think a red dress.
Speaker 2: Well she wears a red dress of the opera, and
Speaker 2: so that's just you know, that's the woman that is
Speaker 2: the color of love.
Speaker 1: You know, it's red.
Speaker 2: And then she takes she takes this black coat with her,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of when she takes it off, it's
Speaker 2: almost her.
Speaker 1: The way I read it was her.
Speaker 2: I'm ready now to accept this love, even to the
Speaker 2: point where and I did find this out through another sauce.
Speaker 2: But she drinks white wine at the beginning when she's
Speaker 2: drinking with Johnny, and then it changes the red wine
Speaker 2: she gets home.
Speaker 4: You get ready, Yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love all these little motifs in the film that
Speaker 4: make it so rich with like yeah, it just really
Speaker 4: enriches the film, Like, you know, her little routines, like
Speaker 4: she comes home, she always gets a glass of wine,
Speaker 4: and the fact that they do it every time. I
Speaker 4: love stuff like that in films.
Speaker 2: If you watch it again, check out circles. Okay, Moon
Speaker 2: Moon the moon. So you have stuff like whenever there's
Speaker 2: a cup, it's usually two, Like glasses of champagne or
Speaker 2: wine or coffee being delivered, there's usually two and it's
Speaker 2: shut from a way where you can see basically see.
Speaker 4: The two circles ellipses.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's one where they walk in I think from
Speaker 2: into a bedroom in that and in the hallway there's
Speaker 2: two circles of two photos that are on the wall.
Speaker 2: And yeah, there's there's quite a few. The eggs, the
Speaker 2: eggs in their front pan. There's two eggs in the
Speaker 2: holes in the bread. So there's a lovely kind of
Speaker 2: quite subtle kind of motifs going on with using circles
Speaker 2: aka the moon.
Speaker 1: But yes it is. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just think it's an extraordinary film. A few little
Speaker 2: fun facts before we we finish up. There are some
Speaker 2: age differences in the casting of this film. Danny A
Speaker 2: Yellow and Nicholas Cage are playing brothers here. They're thirty
Speaker 2: one years separated, Danny years older than the Nick. Obviously
Speaker 2: mother and daughter Elimitadakakas is only fifteen years older than
Speaker 2: Share in this movie, and as so as the lovers go,
Speaker 2: Share is eighteen years older than Nick Cage, which is wood.
Speaker 4: That's so interesting.
Speaker 2: Good on her and good on them because it kind
Speaker 2: of flies in the face of what usually happens in
Speaker 2: Hollywood movies, where it's usually the other way around.
Speaker 1: So that is awesome.
Speaker 2: Also, it was originally called Bride and the Wolf that
Speaker 2: was the original title. I think, oh really, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think Moonstrik is better, way better.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: And they originally at the start of the film had
Speaker 2: some opera music from Labaheim playing and the test audience
Speaker 2: thought they got a bit fidgeting their seats and they thought,
Speaker 2: they'll hang, are we watching some artie film?
Speaker 1: So they changed it to a bit gangster.
Speaker 4: I think you always think of a like gangster.
Speaker 1: So they threw some Dean Martin in and there and
Speaker 1: everything was everything was fixed.
Speaker 2: There's some customers leaving the bakery when Share enters, and
Speaker 2: they are Charles and Catherine Scorsese, Martin's parents.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, are in there.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there is also this may excite you pot
Speaker 2: is actually only announced this year, but there in the
Speaker 2: early stages of adapting an operatic adaptation of Moonstruck. So
Speaker 2: there will be an opera Moonstruck for you to go
Speaker 2: and check out, hopefully sometime soon.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 4: That's so cool.
Speaker 2: Well this comes with homework, So thank you so much.
Speaker 2: And I mentioned some of you're acting earlier in the intro,
Speaker 2: and I'll say in front of you and so you
Speaker 2: can hear it.
Speaker 1: What a delight.
Speaker 2: It was to have you in mind series of a
Speaker 2: date all those years ago, and you were so funny
Speaker 2: in that. If you haven't seen it, check it out.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it exactly where it is at the moment.
Speaker 2: It might be on ABC IV maybe, but you were
Speaker 2: so up for whatever we threw it you, including being
Speaker 2: urinated on through a sunscreen. And I remember, yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember on the day you were like, no more more.
Speaker 2: Were like, is it too much like having somebody urinate
Speaker 2: on part? And obviously wasn't. We weren't using urine, but
Speaker 2: that was the conceit, and you're.
Speaker 1: Like, no more more?
Speaker 2: Bringing up you're always always wanted more? And what was
Speaker 2: a really what was a really important thing? And it
Speaker 2: was kind of a real lesson. Hopefully I knew this
Speaker 2: leson before, but it was like a really it made
Speaker 2: a crystal clear because we brought all the actors into
Speaker 2: the writing process. So we spoke to you, you know,
Speaker 2: all the actors or the main actors and says you
Speaker 2: and Dave Lawson, sometimes separately, sometimes together, and we just
Speaker 2: went through the idea and any ideas you guys had,
Speaker 2: and you kind of said, you know, like I don't
Speaker 2: think I'd heard that the term yellow fever about, you know,
Speaker 2: white men who date Asian women, and it's like we should,
Speaker 2: you should talk about that. Let's and like it really
Speaker 2: gave myself and Phil Lloyd, who co wrote the episode
Speaker 2: with me, would never have gone gone there wouldn't have
Speaker 2: anything known about it.
Speaker 1: But then if we even knew about it, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure we would have given that permission to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so the power of having diversity in the
Speaker 2: room makes it more interesting and allows for your world
Speaker 2: and for your focus. The blinkers can come off and
Speaker 2: be wide, and your vision can be yeah, have been
Speaker 2: more on the periphery as opposed to this tunnel vision.
Speaker 2: So it was and it just ended up such a
Speaker 2: funny scene. You know, you basically wrote half of that scene.
Speaker 2: Basically we certainly kicked off inspired the idea. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just a you know, as I can say
Speaker 2: publicly in front of you now, it was just such
Speaker 2: a joy.
Speaker 1: Oh, Pete, you should be doing more acting. I'd love
Speaker 1: to see you do more acating.
Speaker 4: I know that is sort of on the cards, but
Speaker 4: I just wanted to say that was a really Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know if I have I mean every time
Speaker 4: we bump into each other. I think I bring it
Speaker 4: up because it was a really big deal for me
Speaker 4: doing that and to be asked, because it's something that
Speaker 4: I'd always wanted to do, but it just had to
Speaker 4: be the right thing, and I love comedy and I'd
Speaker 4: always admired your work. It was just like so many
Speaker 4: you know, like planets aligning at that point, and it
Speaker 4: was such a pleasure to work with you as well.
Speaker 4: And I one of the reasons why it was so
Speaker 4: such a joy was because you were so generous and
Speaker 4: open that whole thing up, which a lot of writers
Speaker 4: wouldn't do. Yeah, that was such a great experience and
Speaker 4: the outcome was great, Like I was, Yeah, that was fantastic.
Speaker 4: So thank thank you for even thinking about me, because
Speaker 4: I think, like I think in Australia sometimes there is
Speaker 4: less of that, you know, where people cross disciplines. Yeah,
Speaker 4: in America they do it with a lot more ease
Speaker 4: and it's not really questioned. And so I really was
Speaker 4: so tough that you went out on a limb and
Speaker 4: gave me that opportunity. And that's really my most legit
Speaker 4: acting thing that I've done really, So yeah, any more
Speaker 4: roles you have that you might require.
Speaker 1: You just never know.
Speaker 2: But if casting directors, you know it's not just me,
Speaker 2: come on, get ping through the rooms. And because yeah,
Speaker 2: just even look at that episode, I think you're you're
Speaker 2: so funny and and you know, and moments where it
Speaker 2: needed something different, you were great in there as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well done, and yeah, more more of it.
Speaker 1: I did mention the Red Rock chipster.
Speaker 2: By the way, I've said, I've said this see in person,
Speaker 2: but the Malaysian beef rend Dang is the most accurate
Speaker 2: chip I've ever eaten in my life.
Speaker 4: It's pretty good. I have to give credit to Red
Speaker 4: Rock Deli. They nailed it, Like I gave them the recipes.
Speaker 4: We worked on it together. But I cannot believe it
Speaker 4: really because you know, with chips often it says the
Speaker 4: thing on the what did you say to me? What
Speaker 4: you said was social.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Bridge said before we had your chips, Bridge said,
Speaker 2: all the flavors, all these new flavors, they all taste
Speaker 2: like barbecue in the end.
Speaker 4: And that's what I was scared of. I was like,
Speaker 4: it's just gonna be like barbecue with a bit of
Speaker 4: chili in it. But as soon as you open the packet,
Speaker 4: you get that, you get the coconut, and just that
Speaker 4: that richness that you get from a render. I don't know,
Speaker 4: So thank you so much. Can I also plug something
Speaker 4: else my art website, so art myypo dot com, because
Speaker 4: that's something that I've just has been waiting in the
Speaker 4: wings for me to get back to, and I'm sort
Speaker 4: of right back into the painting again. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: selling prints, so affordable works. So yeah, please hop on
Speaker 4: the site and have a.
Speaker 2: Squidz art by Poe dot com dot Au, just dot com,
Speaker 2: Just dot com, just dot com art Bipoe dot com.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I mentioned your art at the start,
Speaker 2: but if you haven't, if you're not aware of the
Speaker 2: work that Poe has done as an artist outside of
Speaker 2: all the other stuff we know are from, go to
Speaker 2: the website even just just to have a look.
Speaker 1: It's she's an extraordinary artist.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm looking right now at the extraordinary
Speaker 2: portrait of your grandmother behind you, which I said was perfect.
Speaker 2: You know, walk away and you said, oh no, you
Speaker 2: spoke about skin tones and I'm like it looks good
Speaker 2: to mat Just walk away.
Speaker 1: Let's walk away the next one. But you know, but
Speaker 1: I'll lee, I will trust you as the artist to
Speaker 1: to to do what you need to do.
Speaker 2: But no, it's I think you're an extraordinary person and
Speaker 2: always a joy to hang out.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being part of this and.
Speaker 4: Likewise Pte, it's always a pleasure to you know, Chad,
Speaker 4: and yeah, we've yeah, we've always gone along so well.
Speaker 4: Thank you for inviting me to the audience. It's been
Speaker 4: such a pleasure and an honor.
Speaker 1: Thanks mate.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna marry do you hear me?
Speaker 5: Last night never happened, and I'm going to marry him,
Speaker 5: and you and I are going to.
Speaker 8: Take this two RCPs.
Speaker 3: I can't do that.
Speaker 8: Why not? I'm in love with you, Snap out of it.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: One of the iconic lines from Moonstruck, the double Slap Too,
Speaker 2: was very good Holing Yow what a legend she is
Speaker 2: and so insightful with her views on Moonstrike. I always
Speaker 2: love it when our guests loves the movie. There's no
Speaker 2: pressure on them to love the movie. We've had some
Speaker 2: very interesting episodes where they haven't loved the movie. Lim
Speaker 2: I didn't love with Nayla and I Rachael corbtt didn't
Speaker 2: love Castaway, Adam Christie didn't love War Street.
Speaker 1: I thought it was ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Hamis McDonald famously in Our Little Multiverse did not love
Speaker 2: Punstrung Love, which is one of my favorite films, and
Speaker 2: that's fine. We ended up having a discussion about it.
Speaker 2: But when somebody comes in they say they love it,
Speaker 2: and it's almost like this is now one of my
Speaker 2: favorite films. That gives me a little bit of joy.
Speaker 2: So thank you Hoe for walking through Moonstruck with us.
Speaker 2: I'm really glad I watched it for the first time too.
Speaker 2: Now I sent it twice. It's really great. You can
Speaker 2: go to our speak pipe and leave basically in old parlance,
Speaker 2: an answering machine message, and Tim Linsky has done that
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 1: Good a Pete and listeners.
Speaker 6: My dad's name is also Pete, and he's also a
Speaker 6: Collingwood supporter, So you've got you have one point there.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to see if anybody has looked at
Speaker 6: doing the movie Into the World, which was directed by
Speaker 6: Sean Penn. It had a lot of stars on the
Speaker 6: fringe of it, like Zach Gallavan Arkis and Fence Fawn.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I'd like to hear people talk about that
Speaker 6: because that's one of my favorite movies, along with Goodwill Hunting.
Speaker 1: Keep up good work.
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed the show, and I just finished listening
Speaker 6: to Dave Callen and on his take on pulp fiction.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks, take it easy, go the pies, Go
Speaker 1: the Pies.
Speaker 2: Indeed, I'll tell you what, you jump straight to the
Speaker 2: front of the queue if you give the pies a
Speaker 2: bit of a pump up. Thank you, Tim, and hopefully Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a good month or so. As we record this
Speaker 2: episode for the Pies as we approached the finals, Into
Speaker 2: the Wild, I haven't it's not on our list, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I reckon I'd be happy enough to put that on
Speaker 2: the list.
Speaker 1: I did enjoy it.
Speaker 2: My memory of it me based on a true story,
Speaker 2: but a guy who basically sells his possessions and lives
Speaker 2: in the wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Directed by Sean Pan As he said, Emil Hirsh, Vince
Speaker 2: Vaughan I think was in there. Katherin, Keena, Marsha Gay Harden,
Speaker 2: who's always great. Also the soundtrack where the score was
Speaker 2: from Pearl Jam on the yuk of Lately for memory,
Speaker 2: maybe one some awards for that. So Into the Wild
Speaker 2: great suggestion. Kristin Stewart or so in that great, great cast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe we'll give that a go. I'll put it on
Speaker 2: the list into the while. Thanks for joining us, get
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Speaker 2: this is gonna be a fun one. A very funny comedian,
Speaker 2: in fact, one of my favorite comedians in the world
Speaker 2: right now, certainly in Australia, a man by the name
Speaker 2: of Greg Larson. He is quite brilliant. Love watching him.
Speaker 2: He's maybe my favorite person to watch on stage right now.
Speaker 1: He's what we call a.
Speaker 2: Comedians comedian they're gonna go when he's on stage meetings,
Speaker 2: will stick around to watch Greg will be watching. From
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, We're going to Tom Cruise again. Ciba
Speaker 2: Gooding Jr. It's what I think, one of the great
Speaker 2: romantic comedies because it's kind of a little bit dramatic.
Speaker 2: It's romantic, it's funny, it's got some sports in there.
Speaker 2: It's a perfect date movie. It's Jerry maguire. Of course,
Speaker 2: you've worked that out already, no doubt. Jerry McGuire for
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six. Cannot wait to see what Greg Larson
Speaker 2: makes of that. If you haven't seen it for a while,
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen it at all, check it out
Speaker 2: this week and next week we'll be back with Greg
Speaker 2: Larson and Jerry maguire until then, By for now, and
Speaker 2: so we leave old Pete save Van sal And to
Speaker 2: our friends of the radio audience, we've been a pleasant
Speaker 2: good name.