1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Already and this this is the Daily This is the 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Daily OS. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: Oh, now it makes sense. 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday, 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 3: the thirty first of May. 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: It's been a big couple of weeks for Donald Trump, 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 3: whose first criminal case has just wrapped up after a 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: five week trial. The trial centered on Trump's alleged cover 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 3: up of a hush money payment to adult film star 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 3: Stormy Daniels in the run up to the twenty sixteen election. 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 3: In today's part that we are going to cover off 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 3: on the trial itself, how it came to be, and 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 3: what it means for the presidential hopeful. But first, Sam, 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: what's making headlines. 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: A parliamentary committee has recommended the federal government establish Australia's 17 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: first ever Human Rights Act. Committee chair Labour MP Josh 18 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: Burns said it would require Parliament to expressly consider human 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: rights when making laws. The Australian Human Rights Commission welcomes 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: the recommendations, saying people's rights and well being should be 21 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: front of mind when laws are formulated. The President of 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: the AHRC described Australia's current framework as quote outdated, ineffective 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: and in desperate need of reform. 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 3: Fourteen pro democracy advocates in Hong Kong have been found 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: guilty of what's called subversion, which is risking national security 26 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: under a China imposed security law. There is an Australian 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: dual citizen who is among those who was found guilty. 28 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: Sentencing is expected to come at a later date, where 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: those found guilty could face between three years and a 30 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 3: lifetime in prison. The guilty rulings come after forty seven 31 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: people were arrested in Hong Kong in twenty twenty one 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: due to the security law imposed by China. Two people 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: have been cleared of charges, but local authorities are expected 34 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: to appeal that decision. 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: Victoria police have arrested four men for allegedly recruiting children 36 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: as young as twelve to steal more than two million 37 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: dollars in cash and cigarettes from service stations. More than 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: twenty children were allegedly involved in over one hundred and 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: forty cigarette thefts and armed robberies across the eastern suburbs 40 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: of Melbourne. Police also seized over two hundred cannabis plants, 41 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: nearly two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in cash, luxury 42 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: items and weapons enacting inspector said, quote concerningly, a significant 43 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: proportion of these children were already known to Victoria Police. 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: In today's good news, Vahine Fierro has become the first 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: Tahitian woman to win a famous surfing competition in Tahiti. 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 3: She was awarded the title of twenty twenty four Tahiti Pro. 47 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: The World Surf League said that this will quote go 48 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: down as one of the most culturally important days in 49 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: competitive surfing history. The twenty four year old will compete 50 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: at the Paris Olympics, where as surfing events will be 51 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: held on the French island. Donald Trump has been found 52 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 3: guilty by a jury after a crimminal trial that lasted 53 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 3: five weeks. Hearings in former US president Donald Trump's first 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: criminal trial have finally wrapped up after five weeks in 55 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 3: a US court. 56 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: Let's get into it now. 57 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: The trial did center on Trump's alleged cover up of 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: a hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels, 59 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: and that was in the lead up to the twenty 60 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: sixteen presidential election. Now, over the course of the trial, 61 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: we heard from more than twenty witnesses, or rather the 62 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: jury had from more than twenty witnesses, and this is 63 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: the first criminal trial, as I said, that the former 64 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: president has faced, so it's a fairly big one. 65 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: But he does have a couple of cases on the 66 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: go here, and it can get a bit confusing to 67 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: remember which one is which and in which jurisdiction he's 68 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: facing what charges. This one is really significant because of 69 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: that criminal element. Run me through the basics of the case. 70 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, during his twenty sixteen presidential election campaign, Donald 71 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: Trump arranged for an one hundred and thirty thousand US 72 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: dollar payment to be made to adult film star Stormy Daniels, 73 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: that's about two hundred K, who claims to have had 74 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: sex with him a decade earlier. Now, Trump instructed his 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: then lawyer, Michael Cohen, and we'll speak about him a 76 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: bit later, to facilitate the payment to Daniels in exchange 77 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 3: for her silence. It's then alleged that Trump falsified multiple 78 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: business records to hide that payment, and that is a 79 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: criminal offense in the US state of New York. He 80 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 3: pleaded not guilty to thirty four charges in New York's 81 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: Supreme Court. Here's how the former president saw the case himself. 82 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: This is all. 83 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: Election hunting, elected interfering. 84 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: It's going after Joe Biden's political opponent because he can't 85 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: do it himself, and they're helping out. And we have 86 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: a jog who's highly conflicted. He happens to be corrupt. 87 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: Ye stars confliction. It st worst than anybody's seen. Nobody 88 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: don't have seen anything like it. 89 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 2: Okay, So unsurprisingly, Donald Trump has quite a clear and 90 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: strong sense of how he feels about this case. Talk 91 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: me through what actually happens though through the trial. 92 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, as with any trial, there are ups 93 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 3: and downs, there are witnesses, but very rarely in a 94 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: trial do we hear about one of the key people 95 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 3: actually being fined. So during this trial, Trump violated a 96 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 3: court order the banned him from making public statements about 97 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 3: jurors and witnesses outside of court. So the court found 98 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 3: Trump also posted about the trial on his social media 99 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: platform truth Social, which he also wasn't allowed to do, 100 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: and this led him being found in contempt of court twice. 101 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: So he was find a total of ten thousand US 102 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: dollars and that was not even related to the case itself, 103 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: that was what was just happening in the court. So 104 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: a fairly expensive experience for Donald Trump when we haven't 105 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: even considered the charges at hand here. 106 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 2: And I want to turn nowt to who we heard 107 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: from during the trial, and one of those people was 108 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: Stormy Daniels herself. She's at the center of this story, right. 109 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: She is so. Stormy Daniels herself appeared in the witness 110 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: box where she detailed an alleged sexual encounter with Donald 111 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: Trump at a US resort back in two thousand and six. 112 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: It is important to note here that Trump denies ever 113 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: having had sex with Daniels after Daniels's testimony, and I'm 114 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: not really going to go into it. It's fairly sallacious, 115 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: and you've told me things that I want to unhear 116 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: fair enough, but the justice in the case said that 117 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: some of the evidence that she gave would have probably 118 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 3: been quote better left unsaid, which is a fairly remarkable 119 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: thing to say about evidence, and that was in response 120 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 3: to Trump's lawyers trying to get the case itself thrown 121 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: out as a mistrial. 122 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to the Netflix series about this case. 123 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: Who else did we hear from, though. 124 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: Well, the other star witness was Trump's ex lawyer Michael Cohen, 125 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: who I mentioned earlier, who admitted to organizing the payments 126 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: to Stormy Daniels on Donald Trump's behalf. He also admitted 127 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 3: to suppressing negative stories about Trump to avoid them being 128 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: reported on in the media. He also claimed that Trump 129 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: reimbursed him for the payment, but attempted to disguise the 130 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: funds as legitimate legal expenses. 131 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: So it seems like Michael Cohen is another one of 132 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: those kind of Trump insiders who was a strong ally 133 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: of the former president and is now a key witness 134 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 2: against him. But it feels like every day with this case, 135 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: there was just more salacious detail. When the two sides 136 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: had to bring everything together, how did they summarize and 137 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: close their arguments? 138 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Trump, who in this case is the defendant, 139 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: didn't give evidence during the trial. 140 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: He didn't have to, right, No. 141 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 3: So his lawyers called just two witnesses to the stand 142 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: throughout the whole trial. The prosecutions lawyers, on the other hand, 143 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,559 Speaker 3: they summoned more than twenty witnesses that included, as I said, 144 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: Daniels and Michael Cohen. In closing arguments from the defense, 145 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: Trump's lawyers tried to discredit Michael Cohen. They called him 146 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: the gloat which is the greatest. 147 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: Liar of all time, might borrow that one honestly love it, 148 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: might use it. 149 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: The prosecution's closing argument lasted over five hours and saw 150 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: me Daniels's lawyers accused Trump of overseeing a conspiracy and 151 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: a cover up to help him win the twenty sixteen 152 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: presidential election. 153 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: And I'm keen to talk about the impact of all 154 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: of this on the upcoming presidential election, where Trump is 155 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: likely the Republican candidate. Before that, I saw heaps of 156 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: videos online of Robert de Niro. The aptor outside court 157 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: was he wasn't involved directly with the case, right, No, So. 158 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 3: This is one of those interesting things where we're trying 159 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 3: to make sense of a news story and you might 160 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: have seen this. I mean, I know it was all 161 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: over my TikTok for example. So Robert de Niro and 162 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: members of Joe Biden's reelection campaign made an appearance outside 163 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: the courthouse at the end of the trial. De Niro, 164 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: fair to say, doesn't think very highly of Donald Trump, 165 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 3: called him a tyrant and a danger to the lives 166 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: of Americans. He said, and I quote here, if Trump 167 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: returns to the White House, you can kiss your freedoms goodbye. 168 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: He got into a bit of a tussle with some 169 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: of the Trump supporters who tried to interrupt his press conference. 170 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: I would play a bit of it here, but there 171 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 3: is a fair bit of bleeping on both sides. 172 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: Theresider is still a family show. 173 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: They don't see Ada Ei though, that is for sure. 174 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: And yeah, that's why Robert de Niro is somehow involved 175 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: with this story. 176 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the case. And now obviously overnight we've 177 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: received this guilty verdict. What happens now, Well. 178 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the most important thing to say 179 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 3: from the outset is that this does not hamper Donald 180 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: Trump's ability to run for president. 181 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: Even though he's been found guilty in the criminal trial. 182 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: Correct, legally, nothing has changed logistically. If he then is imprisoned, 183 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: if that is what the sentence is, that will be 184 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: difficult for him. You know, he would much prefer to 185 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: be out on the campaign trail then to be in prison. 186 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 3: But it doesn't actually legally impact his right to run 187 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 3: for president. 188 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: This remarkable story of the US twin twenty four presidential 189 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 2: election continues for now with the same two main characters 190 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: seemingly in front. Zara Will have to kind of track 191 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: this one day by day because I think there's going 192 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: to be a few twists and turns we will. 193 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: I will not be the person tracking that day by 194 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: day because I am off for a couple of weeks 195 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: on my honeymoon. So I will be back on the 196 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 3: pod in July, but until then, thank you for supporting 197 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 3: the Daily Ods each and every day, and Billy and 198 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: Sam will be back next week. 199 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 200 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 2: Bungelung Kalguton woman from Gadighl Country. 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