1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: But in what can only be described as pretty extraordinary 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: scenes in NT Parliament yesterday afternoon, the Deputy Speaker Joel Bowden, 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: through Robin Lamley, the Independent Member Farara Luhn out of 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the chamber for twenty four hours. It was in the 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: midst obviously, of what the NT News has described as 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: a pretty vigorous debate on the motion to establish a 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: Parliamentary inquiry into crime in Central Australia. The Independent Member 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: for our lu And Robin Lamley joins me on the 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: line right now. Good morning to you. 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: Robin, Good morning Katie, Robin. 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: What happened yesterday? 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: Well, it was, from my view, the usual argi bargie 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: going on in the chamber. It was a vigorous debate. 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: People were yelling, including me and Joel Bowden. The Deputy 15 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 2: Speaker asked me to leave, but I didn't understand what 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: he said, and not did most other people in the chamber, 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: so I didn't hear him properly apparently. 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: And. 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: Inadvertently ignored his direction for me to leave for an hour, 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: and then he took exception to that and I didn't 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: know what the hell was going on, and he threw 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: me out for twenty four hours, which he named me, 23 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: which is a very extreme measure for a speaker to 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 2: do or undertake, and named me. No one has ever 25 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: been named before in the twelve years that I've been 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: in Parliament. And then he threw me out for twenty 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: four hours, which is also quite extraordinary, so convenient timing. 28 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: Just before the Government voted down my motion for a 29 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: parliamentary inquiry into crime and Alice Springs, in the middle 30 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: of a debate, the Member for Barclay was on his 31 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: feet speaking. The member for the opposition member a leader 32 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: of the opposition, she spoke next. So I missed out 33 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: being there for the actual vote, but it was voted 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: down anyway. 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: And Robin, had you been in there or not, by 36 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: the sounds of it, it would have you wouldn't have had 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: the numbers, it would have been voted down. 38 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: Is that right, that's correct? 39 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: Yeah? 40 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: Correct. 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: Look, I think that people are probably going to be 42 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: quite surprised, and a lot of people listening this morning, 43 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: let's be honest, won't understand really the ins and outs 44 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: of what goes on in Parliament. They'll certainly understand somebody 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: being thrown out of the chamber, But did you do 46 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: the wrong thing Robin. I guess you know, some listening 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: will be thinking it's a bit cute to say that 48 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: you didn't hear him, and you continued to, you know, 49 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: to vocalize your thoughts. So is it a bit cute 50 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: for you to. 51 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: Say you didn't hear him. He shut us down and 52 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: everyone was just sitting there and I didn't hear him. 53 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: I mean the member sitting next to me, the Member 54 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: for Brennan, she didn't hear him tell me to go either, 55 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: nor did everyone else I spoke to. He didn't. He 56 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: didn't do it sort of in a normal way. I 57 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: heard him something that I thought it was a warning, 58 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: which is common. You know, people have warned all this 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: time in parliament. I truly didn't hear him, And had 60 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: I been told to leave, I would have got up 61 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: and left, because that's what you do. Otherwise you get 62 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: yourself into whole world of trouble. Which happened. But look, 63 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: I think it was. It was very confusing. Everyone was 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: screaming and shouting, the Deputy Speaker obviously on me, which 65 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: is fair enough. You get that, you cop it. I'm 66 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: no angel and I'm no victim either, but it was 67 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: I think it was interesting the timing they got rid 68 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: of me, They ended up gagging me in the end, 69 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: which was always going to happen. And you know, the 70 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: sad part of it is that the Deputy Speaker, Joe 71 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: Bowden was born and bred in Alice Springs and he 72 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: didn't support this motion. You know, very disappointing, you know, 73 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: for a time that's honored his family and looked after 74 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: him throughout his childhood and at the last part of 75 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: his life. Joe Bowden didn't support this motion either, nor 76 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: did the Member for Gladia, the Minister for Central Australia. 77 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: He didn't support this motion. So you know, this story 78 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: isn't about me again. The fact that people are not 79 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: supporting something that could be very constructive and helpful in 80 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: addressing crime in Alice Springs, it's not very very sad, 81 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: Katie and Robin. 82 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: I've got a message in a moment that i'll read 83 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: out from the former Speaker of the Northern Territory Legislative Assembly, 84 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: Kesey Epuric. I know that she has also said that 85 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: it's not something that she's seen happen throughout the time 86 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: that she's been in the NT Parliament. I mean, being 87 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: thrown out for twenty four hours. Is it is an 88 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: extraordinary thing to do. 89 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: It is I mean, you know, I can copy any 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: sort of penalty, but I think this one was a 91 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: bit harsh and in the context of the importance of 92 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: what was happening in the chamber for the people of 93 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: sen for Australia, I just I just don't like it, 94 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: and I just don't think that it was called for. 95 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: But I cannot reflect on the chair because if I do, 96 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: if I criticize Joel Bowden for his decision to throw 97 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: me out for twenty four hours, I could end up 98 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: being thrown out for another twenty four hours, if not longer. 99 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: It was taken to a vote in the parliament. The 100 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: actual government voted me out for twenty four hours, because 101 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: when you name someone, it goes to a vote of 102 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: Parliament to exclude the person. So in actual fact, Joel 103 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: triggered it and then the government voted to have me removed. 104 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: So that was convenient in itself, the fact that the 105 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: government got to vote to remove me. And you know, 106 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: it's all very interesting. 107 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: Well, it certainly is the way. Well, that's right, that's 108 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: exactly right. Well, Robin will keep in contact. I know 109 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: that the people of Alice Springs. I've no doubt will 110 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: be happy and proud of the fact that you stood 111 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: up and you made sure that that discussion about crime 112 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: was debated, because I've got to tell you, yesterday morning, 113 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I reckon, they're going to shut 114 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: this down and not even allow the debate to happen. 115 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: So I think that that in itself was at least 116 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: a good thing that that discussion was able to happen. 117 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: It's a shame that that that that committee is not 118 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: going to be moving forward. But yeah, Robin, well you've 119 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: got a bit more time on your haplets. Yes, that's right, 120 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: you've got a bit of time on. 121 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: Speak about crime and Alice Springs, which will happen this afternoon. 122 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: I've got enough on my plate. 123 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: Robin Lambley, thanks so much for your time this morning.