1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Torba and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Amy 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: and Sophie. On today's show, Shannie Grimmin's pre recorded Paris content, 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro's controversial baby moon, Anna Paul catfished in La 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day declares she doesn't want her kids to be content, 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: and the pop culture Trial of the Century. But first, 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: another year, another dog's birthday party under your belt. How 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: did Archie's second birthday go, Sophie, Well, I think Dale 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: phrased it well when he said that I think we 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: all just have to have kids now, because it's getting 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: a little bit ridiculous. I did hold a birthday party 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: for my dog Archie on the weekend, who turned two, 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: and it was pretty cute because I'm good friends with 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: Archie's brother, Winston's mum, if that makes sense, and we 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: held the party together, so it was a dog birthday party. 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: I got this incredible cake from an Adelaide business called 18 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: the Wolfrey, and the dogs went nuts for it. Kate Sonny, 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: she was like a vacuum. She sucked up this piece 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: of cake within seconds. Oh it was so funny. I've 21 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: got a video that I need to share in our 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: Facebook community because poor Shadow, my other dog, is being 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: served a piece of cake and then suddenly Sonny comes 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: in and absolutely steals it and, like as you said, 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: sucks it up like a vacuum. It's bloody hilarious. What 26 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed, Sophie, was that you went to the 27 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: full extreme. You got two balloons, you got the cake. 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: One thing I have to say, though, is I was 29 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: a little bit disappointed you didn't play party games. I 30 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: did have party bags for the humans there, but no, 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: I didn't go to the extent of party games because 32 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: I already felt like I was copying shit for holding 33 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: this birthday party that I didn't want to look like 34 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: I put too much effort into it. I've got to 35 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: say I felt a little out of place because I 36 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: was the only person there who didn't have a dog. 37 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: And I did feel at one stage like I'd become 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: part of a parent's group. But I was the only 39 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: one who didn't have a child to talk about, because 40 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: people would have thought you were literally talking about your children. 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: You went on about your dogs It was hilarious. They 42 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: were the content. We spoke about them all day. We're like, 43 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: does your dog do this? Yeah? He does. See, I 44 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: think I can tell where Day was coming from. I 45 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: think someone just needs to have a kid already. I 46 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: did enjoy how Brandon was so shocked that Archie and 47 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: Winston were so similar. Oh my god, I can't believe 48 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: he barks like that. I can't believe he does that 49 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: just the way Archie does. Like they're literally from the samely. 50 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: They have the same breed of dog. We have like 51 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: a four hour stop rover and yeah, and then we 52 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: go straight. 53 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: To the Mouldines or Maldives. 54 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: However you like. 55 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: Santa Tammy Hembro has been forced to defend her lavish 56 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: baby moon in the maw Dives. The fitness influencer has 57 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: been criticized for flying at thirty two weeks despite having 58 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: approval from her doctor. Okay, can you tell us more? Well? 59 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: Tammy flew business class to the Maldives with their fiance 60 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: Matt Paul, and her kids Wolf and Saskia, and the 61 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: trip was around seventeen hours from her hometown of the 62 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Gold Coast to the maw Dives. Now they flew Singapore 63 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: Airlines and bloody hell, it looked amazing. I don't know 64 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: if it's just me, but I always find it so 65 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: strange seeing kids traveling business class. I always think that 66 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: they'll never actually appreciate it because they've probably never traveled 67 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: economy before. Anyway. The family are currently staying at the 68 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: most amazing waterfront villa with a private jetty and panoramic 69 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: views of the ocean, as well as having the ocean 70 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: a few footsteps away. The villa also has its own 71 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: infinity pool, and Tammy has been sharing her trip all 72 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: over her socials, which has prompted her followers to criticize 73 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: her decision to fly. So can you tell us what 74 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: people have been saying? Well, one follower wrote, wow, you're 75 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: game to fly that pregnant? There was no way I 76 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: would risk having a baby overseas or on a plane now. 77 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: Tammy responded to this, saying, I'm only thirty two weeks pregnant. 78 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: There was no way I would risk having a baby 79 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: overseas or on a plane. The follower then replied saying, 80 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: problem is it's not always planned. Mine came at thirty 81 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: three weeks without warning. It's so unpredictable. With and we 82 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: don't know how good the healthcare is overseas your life choice. 83 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: Though I'm more of a worry wart than most gosh 84 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: talk about projecting your own issues onto a person online well. 85 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: Another follower said traveling during the third trimester is risky 86 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: and Tammy was putting herself at risk of developing a 87 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: blood clock, going into labor at mid flight, and other 88 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: labor complications. Tammy responded to this comment saying midwife said 89 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: it's perfectly fine, fit and healthy, and so is bub So. 90 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: In terms of the rules, Tammy traveled Singapore Airlines to 91 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: the Maldives, which permits air travel under thirty six weeks 92 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: for uncomplicated single pregnancies and until thirty two weeks for 93 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: uncomplicated multiple pregnancies, and women who are between twenty nine 94 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: and thirty six weeks pregnant must provide a medical certificate 95 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: stating they are fit to travel, as well as an 96 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: estimated date of delivery a number of weeks of pregnancy. Now, 97 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: Tammy has confirmed that she did all of these steps, 98 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: so she wouldn't have been allowed to travel if she 99 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: hadn't met these guidelines. I think that the criticism is 100 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: completely unfair and It made me feel a little bit 101 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: uncomfortable because it just seems like people are going out 102 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: of their way to mummy shame her. And I'm wondering 103 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: if this amazing trip to the Maldives has anything to 104 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: do with it, because I'm at home looking at it, 105 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: thinking I haven't been overseas four years, how amazing does 106 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: it look? And it's hard not to feel jealous. I 107 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: also don't understand what is the point of shaming someone 108 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: when they've already done the said thing, you know what 109 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: I mean, Because it's not like she she has to 110 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: get home, she has to travel home. I mean, I 111 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: just feel like people almost go out of their way 112 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: to destroy someone's trip or be like, I know best, 113 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: why did you do this? I genuinely don't think that 114 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: the women meant any malice by their comments. I feel 115 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: like they thought they might be helping. But I do 116 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people just think that social 117 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: media is this open forum where they can say whatever 118 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: they want without any consequences, or perhaps without the person 119 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: that they're commenting on actually reading it. Yeah, but the 120 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: thing was, there was back and forth between Tammy and 121 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: one comment she did say, oh, maybe I'm being a 122 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: worry war. But to me, she was completely projecting her 123 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: own personal experience onto Tammy. And I think that there 124 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: was a lot of shaming going on about, oh, how 125 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: could you possibly do this to your unborn child. I 126 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: think it's important to note she was traveling business class, Like, 127 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: It's not like she was cramped up in economy. I mean, 128 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: I don't know if I know what to do with 129 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: it though. Yeah, but there's more room for the mother 130 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: to stretch out and to be comfortable. You're not, you know, 131 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: stucking catholically pampered. Yeah, exactly, It's not like you were 132 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: stuck in cattle class with two kids. Like it was 133 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: a luxury trip. She's living in a luxury villa with 134 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people looking after her at the moment. 135 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: She probably got a doctor on standby. Who knows. Now, 136 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: while Tammy's pregnancy has been making headlines, rumors are swirling 137 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: that another sister may also be pregnant. Kate, who is this? 138 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: During question and what's happened? So it was actually Tammy 139 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: who sparked the rumors last week when she uploaded a 140 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: story dropping a big hint that her family may be growing. 141 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: Let's throw to the audio. So many kids here. There's 142 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: literally going to be two more soon. Now. In the vision, 143 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: Tammy filmed her kids and nieces and nephews zeeming in 144 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: on her sister, Amy's daughter Aurora. Now, the story was 145 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: swiftly deleted, but a lot of people managed to screen 146 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: record it, so rumors started. Now Tammy is currently, as 147 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: we said, thirty two weeks pregnant, and earlier in her pregnancy, 148 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: she sparked rumors she was having twins when she teased 149 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: her ultrasound and picked up something interesting. Everyone guessed that 150 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: she was having twins, but she squashed those rumors by 151 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: sharing her ultrasound, which featured just one baby and instead 152 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: it turned out that her daughter shared the same genetic 153 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: disorder as her and would be born with twelve fingers. 154 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: So you would assume that Tammy is not talking about 155 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: her having two more kids. So speculation then went on 156 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: to her other sisters. Now this wasn't the only hint, 157 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: because a day after Tammy shared her story about two 158 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: kids joining the Hembro family, Amy uploaded as her sitting 159 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: on the couch in between her four sisters. She captured 160 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: the video my people hashtag sisters. The video is muted, 161 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: but it looks like her sister Star mouths the words 162 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: on three say I'm pregnant. Amy's followers were quick to 163 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: pick up on the miming, with many thinking perhaps Star 164 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: was pregnant. However, Amy quickly confirmed that her young sister 165 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: is not pregnant. She wrote, I promise you she isn't. 166 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: Someone replied, is that because you are, to which Amy 167 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: didn't respond. Now, Amy got married late last year and 168 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: has a two year old daughter, And I do feel 169 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: like this could possibly have been a bit of a 170 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: pregnancy announcement that we will see later on, because when 171 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: Tammy announced her pregnancy to her sisters and friends, she 172 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: did it in a similar way where she got the 173 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: photographer to count them in to say, like one, two, three, 174 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: Tammy's pregnant. So I feel like perhaps this was Amy 175 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: sharing the exciting news with her sisters. But we will 176 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: have to wait and see. 177 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: I will literally just asked the best she know how. 178 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: He's like really good with geography and all of that 179 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: good stuff. He's like, don't film this, but can I 180 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: ask your own question? He said, are we like still 181 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: in the world, like that little blue ball? Are we 182 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: like there? And I'm like, well, yeah, Bali is in. 183 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: Ear Shane Grumman has been spotted back home in Brisbane, 184 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: despite her Instagram stories stating she's still holidaying in Paris. 185 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: A user on Tea Time spotted Shannie out and about 186 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: in her hometown of Brisbane and quickly snapped a photo 187 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: of her. This was despite her announcing on her stories 188 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: that it was her second to last night in Paris. Now, Kate, 189 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: what do you think about Sharnye's decision to pre record 190 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: her holiday content. Well, I think it's really a smart 191 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: move because Sharne has spoken candidly about how she was 192 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: robbed during a holiday after she shared her whereabouts online, 193 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: and it was found that there was a direct correlation 194 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: between Shanny sharing her holiday details and her house being 195 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: broken into. So I think people should be commending her 196 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: for protecting her safety, and I think more influencers should 197 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: be doing the same thing because it is really dangerous 198 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: when you think about how much people share of their 199 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: lives online and who is out there actually watching it. 200 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen things like the Bling Ring where 201 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: teens were robbing celebrities back in the day. We've also 202 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: seen Kim Kardashian being robbed at gunpoint in Paris in 203 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen after sharing her whereabouts online. So it's not 204 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: something that doesn't happen, and I think that it's important 205 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: that people start being wary of how much information that 206 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: they are sharing live. It has got me thinking, though, 207 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: do you think we're going to see more influencers doing 208 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: the same thing? As much as I really hope we do, 209 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: I think, unfortunately we won't be seeing it because it 210 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: does require a lot of forward planning and for people 211 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: who are renowned for forgetting to charge their cameras or 212 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: bringing their cameras to events, I don't really have very 213 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: high hopes. And I think a lot of influencers like 214 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: to have that immediacy with their content, so they like 215 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: to be sharing about what they're doing then and there, 216 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: even though it's not particularly safe to do. So I 217 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: suppose it adds to the authenticity of the whole process. 218 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: Did anyone else think that Sharnee's trip to Paris was 219 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: so different to any other holiday she's ever shared, Because 220 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: to me, it's seen from the get go. This trip 221 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: was all about capturing content because Sharni took her stylist, 222 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: Paul Versaci, who is the founder and director of Style 223 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: by bloom So Paul styles a range of influences, including 224 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers, Brook Blurton, Lily Brown, and Taylor demir See. 225 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: I only had recently noticed that Paul had styled Schani 226 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: for a Gatsby themed party, and I really only picked 227 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: up on it because I've been noticing his name popping 228 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: up a lot on Olivia Rodgers content. He styled Olivia 229 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: for her wedding and is often involved in her styling 230 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: for a range of different events. So I thought it 231 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: was really interesting that Sharni was actually partnering with him, 232 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: and then the fact that he was there on the 233 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: trip with her. They were staying together, it seemed in 234 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: the same room. It seems like they're great friends, and 235 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: I think he is doing wonders for Sharne's wardrobe. I 236 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: was getting complete Emily in Paris vibes from Shanny. She 237 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: looked incredible and it looked like her photos could belong 238 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: in a high fashion magazine. Yeah, but isn't it obvious 239 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: that it's just a work trip. It wasn't actually a holiday. Yeah, 240 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: but what a work trip in terms of just getting 241 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: content for her Instagram feed, Because that tact actually really 242 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: surprised me for Shanni because her vlogs are always really 243 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: authentic when she travels. I mean, I still love and 244 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: would enjoy watching her Barley vlogs with Michael Finch, and 245 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: this trip looked really curated. So I'm wondering if this 246 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: is going to be something we see more from influences 247 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: as they begin to travel, because it seems totally against 248 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: this vibe shift that we have been seeing on Instagram 249 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: where people are trying not to look like they've tried, 250 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: because this looked like she was trying very hard. Yeah, 251 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: I agree that it does seem to be against this 252 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: vibe shift, but if they've gone to the extent of 253 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: getting a photographer, I assume I think that she's probably 254 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: filming content for an up and coming project or for 255 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: her Instagram because Instagram is big business at the end 256 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: of the day, and I feel like, now that influencers 257 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: are returning to the wild and going overseas again, we 258 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: want to be seeing this travel content. But do we 259 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: want to be seeing this curated because I actually thought 260 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: we were moving away from this style of content. That's 261 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: why it really surprised me. The people who are interested 262 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: in fashion would love to see fashion alive in Paris. 263 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's to build Paul's career as well. 264 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: I mean, he's already doing incredibly well. Every influencer seems 265 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: to be working with him. I've seen him everywhere. To 266 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: be honest, it just makes me think that Shanie is 267 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: more unattainable because you want, you want influencers to seem 268 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: like they're your friends. But by posting all this curated content, 269 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: it makes her in a different league, and I feel 270 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: like she hasn't really been sharing many vlogs about her life. 271 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: I would have preferred to have seen a really real 272 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: and authentic vlog of maybe her and her boyfriend in 273 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: Paris and him taking photos of her on his phone, 274 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: not her being styled. Well. I guess we'll find out 275 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: more when the vlog actually goes live, if there is 276 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: a vlog, because I mean, she was sharing more on 277 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: her Instagram stories. It did shock me that they were 278 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: pre recorded in the sense that I feel like she 279 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: is your typical influencer, as we were saying before, that 280 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: forgets to charge her camera or doesn't take it out 281 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: with her. So I do applaud her for being organized. 282 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: It's not to say that there was heaps of content, 283 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: though I do wonder if Paul was helping her out 284 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: in that regard. That's what makes me think perhaps it 285 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: is some sort of branded deal with someone. I know 286 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: that there wasn't anyone in particular tag, but the fact 287 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: that she had to be so calculated with the content 288 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: she was sharing. I feel like there's more to this 289 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: trip than meets the eye. It just cut it. Come on, 290 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: come on, crying, mom's crying. Don't cry? 291 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: Do you really want to come it? 292 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Weeks after being accused of clickbaiting her son's first haircut, 293 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day has declared she doesn't want her children to 294 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: be content in her YouTube videos, So if this move 295 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: seems to have confused her followers, yeah, that's right. More 296 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: than three weeks after teasing on her Instagra stories that 297 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: her son Fox was set to have his first haircut, 298 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: Sarah finally released av log entitled We Cut His Hair, 299 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: which at the time of recording has four hundred and 300 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand views. And as we discussed in a recent episode, 301 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: this was not your run of the meal trim. Fox, 302 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: who is three, had never had a haircut before, and 303 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: he had this very beachy, long blonde hair with ringlets 304 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: that went past his shoulders, and many viewers were intrigued 305 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: to see how Sarah would react and what the new 306 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: haircut would look like, as many held a theory that 307 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: Sarah was keeping his hair long to suit a particular 308 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: aesthetic for her Instagram. Now in the YouTube video, we 309 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: find out that Sarah and Kurt had to do the 310 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: haircut themselves, as Kurt's barber was sick. And I found 311 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: this really strange because you think, if it was your 312 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: son's first haircut and you're going for something that is 313 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: so drastically different, you would opt for a professional to 314 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: do that. Didn't that all sound a bit odd though? 315 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: How his barber was sick. I was like, is this 316 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: something to do with COVID restrictions or I don't know, 317 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: it just seemed all very odd. Well, I think that 318 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: it's not really out of this realm that someone would 319 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: have COVID and the barber would be shut. I more 320 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: think that the fact that they followed up and cut 321 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: the hair themselves showed how dire the situation was. It 322 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: seems like Fox has really been having trouble with his hair. 323 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: It seems to be causing the family a lot of stress, 324 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: and I do think there might have been a bit 325 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: of an element of control there that they wanted to 326 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: cut it themselves. I actually more think it's to do 327 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: with the fact that they probably psyched him up that 328 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: he was having his haircut, and he was probably excited 329 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: about it, and it would then be hard to let 330 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: your toddler down and say, oh, actually it's not happening. 331 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: I think it more probably had something to do with that. Now, 332 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: for those who haven't seen the vlog, the haircut was 333 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: inspired by Justin Bieber, one of Justin Bieber's recent haircuts, 334 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: not the one from back in the day. And it 335 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: was funny though, because Sarah showed Fox the inspo photo 336 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: and he's like, nah, I don't want it, and they 337 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: did it anyway. Now, in the video, we did see 338 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: Sarah get very emotional over the haircut, and she is 339 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: the one who actually cut Fox's ponytail off, and as 340 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: she did it, she burst into tears. Now, at the 341 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: end of the video, Sarah included an outro which appeared 342 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: to have been recorded several weeks after the haircut, and 343 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: she left viewers with a disclaimer saying she doesn't want 344 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: her children to be content in her YouTube videos. Here's 345 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: what she said. 346 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: Now, look, I'm not gonna lie. I do feel a 347 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: little bit weird about like uploading a vlog that's pretty 348 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: much based around cutting Fox's head. Yet, like I said, 349 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 2: I do feel a little bit weird of just like 350 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: that was like the main part of the vlog because 351 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 2: Malachi and Fox are the center of my life. Also Kurt. 352 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: We love Kurt. 353 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: But just being a mum, especially a mom of two now, 354 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 2: my boys are just everything to me. I'm not going 355 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: to become a family vlog channel. Like the boys are 356 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: obviously a part of my vlogs, but I just don't 357 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: ever want my videos to be centered around my kids. 358 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 2: So this is kind of like an anomaly, just something 359 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: a little bit different. But yeah, like moving forward and 360 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: what I'll continue to do this is the Sarah channel, 361 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: and I just want to make sure you know I'm 362 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: protecting them and you know they can be featured and 363 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 2: you guys see them all the time. But yeah, I 364 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: just don't want my kids to be content, you know. 365 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 2: So yeah, obviously they're in my vlogs because they're with 366 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: me all the time. But just moving forward, the blogs 367 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: will kind of not go back to normal but like 368 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: they'll be back to like Sarah's day stuff of like, 369 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 2: you know, in two weeks, I potentially get to go 370 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: back to training, so I'll be vlogging all of that, 371 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 2: like how my fitness is going to go and how 372 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: I'm eating, and I have so much to update you 373 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: guys on now. 374 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: Many followers found the disclaimer very odd because Sarah's children 375 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: are a massive part of her YouTube channel, and in 376 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: the disclaimer she says this video was an anomaly. 377 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 3: Now. 378 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: This is despite the fact that Sarah's last three videos 379 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: alone were about Fox's haircut, Fox meeting Malachi for the 380 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: first time, and her labor blog, not to mention that 381 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: her content has taken a huge shift away from health 382 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: and fitness to more family content, and not much seems 383 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: to be off limits online, with Sarah sharing about her 384 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: children's routines, what they eat, their personalities, and tantrums. 385 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 3: Now. 386 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: The outro appeared to be filmed due to the backlash 387 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: that Sarah received for allegedly baiting Fox's haircut, and it 388 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: almost seemed like she was trying to explain herself and 389 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: it was a little bit uncomfortable to watch because it 390 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: was as though she was trying to almost convince herself 391 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: that she wasn't using her children for content, and I 392 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: feel like she should have just almost owned it and 393 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: explain that. You know, she is a lifestyle of logger 394 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: and she's in a different stage of her life to 395 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: what she was before, so of course she's going to 396 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: include her kids in her day to day life. I 397 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: think the whole content shift from lifestyle and fitness to 398 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: family makes complete sense, as Sarah is now in a 399 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: different stage of her life. So I am confused, as 400 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: you said, why she just didn't own this change. And 401 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: when she fell pregnant three years ago, her content clearly 402 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: started to evolve and include more of a focus on 403 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: her family. There also is a clear demand for this 404 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: type of content because new moms want to watch and 405 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: connect with people who were going through the same thing 406 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: as them. And often when people become parents, there's social 407 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: media content and even what they talk about drastically changes. 408 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, my Instagram feed at this stage of life 409 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: is dominated by babies and pregnant women. However, it is 410 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: of course very different sharing a photo to your two 411 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: hundred followers on a private account than it is to 412 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: one point five million people on a very public forum. 413 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: The thing is, I don't think that people have so 414 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: much of an issue with Sarah's channel evolving into a 415 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: family channel. I think it's the fact that she's not 416 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: owning it, as you said, so in one breath, she's 417 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: saying she doesn't want to use her kids for content, 418 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: but she then juxtapositions this with a string of recent 419 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 1: videos where her children have been the complete focus of 420 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: the vlogs, and those vlogs have been seemingly clickbaited to 421 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: get more views and to generate more money. Well, we 422 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 1: spoke about it a couple of episodes ago, but she 423 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: even was so blatant to take a photo of her 424 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: newborn son who had just got out of hospital, next 425 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: to a protein bar with a code to get a 426 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: discount on it. And I just think, how can you 427 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: put that content out into the universe, and you've been 428 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: doing it for three years now, but suddenly claim that 429 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: that's not what you're about. I think she just needs 430 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: to embrace that she is a family channel and move on. 431 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: I think it's sort of a part of this, probably 432 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: a bit of an identity crisis going on with her 433 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: as well, because she's obviously been known for her abs 434 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: and being lean and her fitness style and now it's 435 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: like she is trying to avoid being put into the 436 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: box of a mummy vlogger, but essentially that's what she 437 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: is at the moment. I think this is something that 438 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: a lot of women experience though, because as soon as 439 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: you have a kid, you're almost put in this different category. 440 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: And that's just as an everyday regular person. So I 441 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: think that what we are seeing is her experience this 442 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: in real time, and think it's possible that she's trying 443 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: to appeal to her younger viewers who aren't interested in 444 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: babies and family activities because quite often in her videos, 445 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: I've heard her say that she knows a lot of 446 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: her followers are yet in that stage of their lives, 447 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: and also a lot of her business deals are centered 448 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: around fitness food, so she wants to still keep that 449 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: relevant in her vlogs. 450 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you how we nearly got robbed 451 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 3: in La on her first day. 452 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: Here, TikToker Anna Paul has opened up about being catfish 453 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: and nearly robbed in La. Sophie what happened? 454 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 3: Well? 455 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: Anna, her boyfriend Glenn, and her brother Adis and his 456 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: partner Mikayla are currently holidaying in America. Now, the catfishing 457 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: in question relates to being catfished over a hotel, not 458 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: a person. And when Anna arrived in La she hired 459 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: a yellow Lamborghini to get around in. And this is 460 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: typical mo for the couple because when they are on 461 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: the GC they get around in this metallic green car, 462 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: which is very easy to spot. Now, all of the 463 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: couple's luggage couldn't fit in the car, so they ordered 464 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: an uber to follow them and take their luggage to 465 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 1: their airbnb. Now, Anna said the airbnb costs five thousand 466 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: dollars for four nights and in the photos it was stunning. 467 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: Said whilst they were driving to the airbnb, she noticed 468 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: that the area looked really dodgy, and when they finally 469 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: pulled up to the apartment block, everything was barricaded off 470 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: and the windows had bars on them. So they were 471 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: getting a little bit scared and worried by this, but 472 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: they continued to follow the Uber driver and parked in 473 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: the underground parking. Now, as they did, two people started 474 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: circling the car. Here's how Anna described one of the men. 475 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: One of them was standing on the other side of 476 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: the road like this, firstly holding his dick like. 477 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: This, such a weird. His pants were all the way 478 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: down to like Neil his knees, but he was holding 479 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: his dick, so the pants were being held up. Oh God, 480 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: that cracked me up. Now the Uber driver started unloading 481 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: their luggage despite all of this happening around their car, 482 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: and they were both very scared at this point and 483 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: didn't want to get out of the car, which seems 484 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: to be fair enough as they thought they were going 485 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: to be robbed. It also became very apparent at this 486 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: point that they had been catfished on Airbnb, so they 487 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: asked their Uber driver to pack up their luggage while 488 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: they frame particularly search for another hotel, and they found 489 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: a really nice one. Now, this Uber driver had been 490 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: following them around for ages, so they tipped him one 491 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Now they arrived at the hotel to find 492 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: they only had one room available to them, which was 493 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: a corner room worth six thousand dollars. Now, they didn't 494 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: have too many options, so they agreed. They then went 495 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: upstairs to discover it was a one bedroom room and 496 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: it was super rundown. And I love the fact that 497 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: Anna described it as having a TV from two thousand 498 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: and five. Now, they called reception and said, there's four 499 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: of us, we can't stay in a one bedroom room. 500 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: The hotel then offered to bring in a wheelie bed, 501 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: which I mean blew my mind because I could not 502 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: imagine the polls staying in this sort of standard, and 503 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: they didn't. They ended up leaving, getting a refund and 504 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: finding somewhere else. Now, were you guys surprised that they 505 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: got catfish? Because I have heard this is quite a 506 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: regular occurrence for people looking for airbnbs in America. Look, 507 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: I had actually never heard of it before, probably because 508 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: I haven't looked into any overseas travel for like two years, 509 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: So this is kind of scary to think that this 510 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: can actually happen. I do wonder what the process is, 511 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: because I would have thought, with Airbnb being quite a 512 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: reputal platform, that they would have measures in place to 513 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: avoid this type of cat fishing. It's very lucky that 514 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: it did happen to them in the sense that they 515 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: have a disposable income where they could just find somewhere 516 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: else to stay. Because they actually didn't get a refund 517 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: for their Airbnb. I just couldn't imagine a young couple 518 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: who were traveling being stranded over there and really having 519 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: no other options. Yeah, it would be really scary, especially 520 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: if you're rocking up at nighttime and you feel like 521 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: you have nowhere to go. It does remind me of 522 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: Martha and Michael's trip in LA where they said that 523 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: they felt quite uncomfortable on the street and they didn't 524 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: want to bring out any designer or items worth a 525 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: lot of money with them because they feared being robbed. 526 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: And I think this is a timely reminder with a 527 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: lot of people traveling again, you do really have to 528 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: be careful and on alert in these sort of situations. Well, 529 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: it's a bit hars to be alert because you know, 530 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: you would think going through Airbna it would be quite reputable, 531 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: and it sounds like it's sort of a bit of 532 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: organized crime considering their car was then getting circled by people. Yeah, 533 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: but kay, when I say alert, I mean the fact 534 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: that you're driving through a pretty rundown street in a 535 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: bright yellow Lamborghini that would be attracting a lot of attention. 536 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: So I don't necessarily know if you know, this whole 537 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: thing was orchestrated by the guys who met them at 538 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: the car. But it's a scary situation. 539 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 3: And would you start taking pictures of yourself? Your sister's 540 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 3: going to jail. 541 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: Before we get into the next segment, we wanted to 542 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: give a trigger warning as we discuss allegations of domestic violence. 543 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: In a legal battle worthy of its own reality show, 544 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: Black China is suing Chris Jennet and her daughters Kim, 545 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: Chloe and Kylie for defamation. She claims the Kardashians conspired 546 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: with NBC Universal to have her reality show Rob and 547 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: China canceled in twenty sixteen. Amy. Firstly, for those who 548 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: don't know who is Black China, well, Black China's real 549 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: name is Angela White, and she was raised in Washington, 550 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: d by her single mother, and she had a very 551 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: different upbringing compared to the wealthy Kardashian family. After school, 552 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: China worked at fast food restaurants before becoming a popular 553 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: stripper at famous Miami club King of Diamonds, and her 554 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: world turned upside down in twenty ten when rapper Drake 555 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: name dropped Black China in his song miss Me. Subsequently, 556 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: China was cast as Nicki Minaj's stunt double in a 557 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: Kanye West music video She then appeared in a music 558 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: video for rapper Tiger, and they subsequently fell in love 559 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: and had a son together. However, in twenty fourteen, they 560 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: had a very public split when Tiger infamously started dating 561 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: a then seventeen year old Kylie Jenner. So everyone was 562 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: shocked when in twenty sixteen, China started dating Kylie's half brother, 563 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: Rob Kardashian. Robin China had a daughter named Dream before 564 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: splitting in twenty seventeen, and they of course had their 565 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: own spin off reality show called Robin China and most recently, 566 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: China is well known for her online boutique and makeup brand, Lashed. 567 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: She also is an only fans creator and she makes 568 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: millions per year doing this. I'm glad you gave us 569 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: that refresher amy, because I forgot what a total fuck 570 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: you it was to Kylie Jenner for China to suddenly 571 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: start dating her brother. I couldn't imagine how pissed off 572 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: I would be. Also how ancestral that whole thing was 573 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: the fact that she was in a Kanye West video, 574 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: and also Drake seems to have connections with the Kardashians. 575 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: It's just crazy that all of that happened, and I 576 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: suppose it's just very kardashian Esque. I mean that's how 577 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: they have had a TV show for this many years, 578 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: because the situations this family find themselves in. So what 579 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: is Black China actually suing the Kardashians for. Well, she 580 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: is suing the Kardashian family for one hundred and eight 581 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: million dollars in lost earnings following the cancelation of a 582 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen spinoff reality show, Rob and China. China says 583 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: she was paid ninety two five hundred dollars for each 584 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: episode of the show, whilst the child she shares with 585 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: Tiger was also paid for appearing on it. China has 586 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: accused the Kardashian matriarch Chris Jenna and her daughters Kim, 587 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: Chloe and Kylie of conspiring to have her show canceled. However, 588 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: the Kardashian's lawyer argues that the reality show was canceled 589 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: by the E Network simply because China and Rob broke up. 590 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: Now this isn't some small lawsuit, this is a full 591 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: on trial. A jury has been selected and the trial 592 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: is expected to run for seven to ten days. I 593 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: found it fascinating reading about how they were selecting jurors, 594 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: because when you are selected onto a jury, you actually 595 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: have to declare if you have any bias towards making 596 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: a decision on the case. And there was a guy 597 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: that had to say, well, I've actually watched Kim Kardashian 598 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: sex tape, so I don't think I'm fit to be 599 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: on the jury. And another one was saying that she 600 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: loves the Kadashians so much that she didn't think that 601 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: she would be impartial. So it would be really hard 602 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: to find people that didn't have a bias towards the 603 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: Kardashians and also black China. It's really bizarre because their father, 604 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: Robert Kardashian, is infamous for being O. J. Simpson's lawyer, 605 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: and it was really difficult during OJ Simpson's trial to 606 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: pick a jewelry as well, So it just seems like 607 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: this full circle moment. Well, the trial has obviously already 608 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: started and some very serious allegations of abuse have come out, 609 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: so both parties have agreed that there was a terrible 610 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: argument between Rob and China which led to the breakdown 611 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: of their relationship in December twenty sixteen, and it's understood 612 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: that most of the trial will be centred on this 613 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: fight and that Chris, Kim, Chloe, and Kylie are all 614 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: set to take the stand. So the biggest controversy to 615 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: come out of the trial so far is that China 616 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: has been accused of wrapping her phone called around Rob's neck. 617 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: China doesn't deny this happened, but claimed it was a joke. 618 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: She said that she and Rob were celebrating on the 619 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: night that their show had been given the green light 620 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: for a second series. China went on to say that 621 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: they'd celebrated by throwing money around and that she playfully 622 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: ripped Rob's shirt. She said later in the night, Rob 623 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: was playing video game since she came up from behind 624 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: him and jokingly wrapped the phone charger around his neck. However, 625 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: Chris Jenner, who took the stand, claims the incident was 626 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: not a joke and that Rob was traumatized by the event. 627 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: Chris told the court he was a mess. I could 628 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: only imagine how he felt. This was a horrible situation. 629 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: I was heartbroken. Chris broke down in court recounting the 630 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: event and revealed that while this was all going on, 631 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: Kim had just been held at gunpoint in Paris, where 632 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: she was famously robbed. Chris also testified that she believed 633 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: China tried to murder her son. Chris said she was 634 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: told that China held a gun to Rob's head and 635 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: hit him with a metal pole whilst intoxicated. So China 636 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: told the court she had put an unloaded gun to 637 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: Rob's head whilst on FaceTime with a friend, but said 638 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: it was a joke and it wasn't meant to cause 639 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: harm and she believed that Rob had took the incident 640 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: just as it was meant Now. Chris Danna also revealed 641 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: that her boyfriend Corey Gamble was forced to separate Rob 642 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: in China after another explosive fight. China claimed Rob spash 643 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: an expensive ties in their bedroom, while Chris told the 644 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: court China smashed a chair on the windshield of Rob's car. 645 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: There was also a number of explosive text messages between 646 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: Chris and a showrunner from Robin China read out in court. 647 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: One read China beat the beep out of Rob's face, 648 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: while another said we need to ditch this beat. Following 649 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: Rob's altercation with China, Now, Chris said it wasn't her 650 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: proudest moment, but that's how she felt at the time, 651 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: and she reiterated she had no involvement in hampering China's 652 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: time on the show. I find this all so fascinating 653 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: because it's no secret that the Kardashian sisters have had 654 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: tumultuous relationships with their exes. I mean, we've seen it 655 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: played out with Kim and Kanye and Chloe and Tristan, 656 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: but it always seems like the family are quite protective 657 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: of the baby daddies in these relationships. I mean, in 658 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: this instance, it seems like it's obviously something that can't 659 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: be solved in house, the fact that it's got to court. 660 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: But Chris Jenna has always been an advocate for keeping 661 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: things good with the parents of her grandchildre and this 662 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: is in complete contrast to what usually happens. Yeah, but 663 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: I think that the major reason why Chris Jenna would 664 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: be treating China differently to the other baby daddies is 665 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: because of the way China entered the situation. She clearly 666 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: dated Rob as an fu to Kylie, and she also 667 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: seemingly tried to take him away from the family. Do 668 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: you guys remember the show, because I Binge watched all 669 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: of Rob and China years ago. And it was almost 670 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: an uncomfortable show to watch because there were so many 671 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: explosive arguments. There was even a scene where Rob accused 672 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: China of their daughter Dream not being his child, and 673 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: there was you know, they went through a paternity test. 674 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: It was a very uncomfortable show to watch. And it 675 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: really doesn't surprise me what was going on behind the 676 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: scenes because this trial has also revealed juicy details about 677 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: their relationship, and China claims that Rob was extremely jealous. 678 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: She alleges one morning in two thousand and six, he 679 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: grabbed her phone and shut himself in a closet, searching 680 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: for any signs that China was messaging other men. Now, 681 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: as a result, and I do have to admit I 682 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: did laugh when I read this, China smashed their gingerbread 683 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: house and TV now fans of the Kardashians will know 684 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: each year that Chris Jennett does gift each family member 685 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: an amazing gingerbread house. And I actually remember seeing Robs 686 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: all over his social media and I always wondered what 687 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: happened to them? Well, I mean, we all know now 688 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: what happened to this gingerbread house. Well, the Salacia's claims 689 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: didn't stop there Chris Jenner also claimed that China made 690 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 1: death threats to Kylie Jenna Now. She didn't present any 691 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: evidence to back her claims, but said it was word 692 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: of mouth and they'd have to ask Kylie about it, 693 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: and I'm sure they will once Kylie goes on the stand, 694 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 1: which I can't wait to see. Well, an interesting person 695 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: that was missing was Rob. So Rob Kardashian wasn't actually 696 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: in court now. One of the most talked about moments 697 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: of this case thus far has been the unflattering court 698 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: sketches of Chris, Kim, Chloe, and Kylie during day one 699 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: of the trial. The images sent social media into a spin, 700 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: with many claiming the sketches look like true representations of 701 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: what the Kardashian family would look like without surgery. However, 702 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: during the second day of the trial, the sketches dramatically improved, 703 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: which made many online jump to the conclusion that perhaps 704 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: the family had paid the artists to produce more flattering 705 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: images of them. I reckon it's more likely that they 706 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: would have had the original court sketcher person fired. No, No, 707 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: it was the same artist, and I did have a 708 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: look at the photos and they are so much more flattering. 709 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: I can just imagine seeing like this sort of more 710 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: peachier ass, bigger lips. The timing is just fantastic again 711 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: for this new TV show on Hulu, and I did 712 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: see it was the most viewed TV series launch in 713 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: Hulu's history, and I'm not surprised at all. Well, I 714 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: think that's all we've got time for today. 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