1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: How do you think about your health? Do you just 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: try to do and eat the things that are traditionally 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: thought of as healthy or have you dug a little 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: deeper to find out more about what your body wants 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: and needs and how it reacts to different things. Do 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: you even think about the mind as part of that 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: health routine? When it comes to physical and mental health, 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: there are so many different options out there, but how 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: can you know for sure that you're getting it right? 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: When Radik Sally was the CEO of Vitamin Giant Swiss 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: Wellness Group, he had a lot of time to think 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: about wellness and he's taken his investigation a little further 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: than most by digging deep into his DNA. He's also 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: not afraid to lead by example and can be regularly 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: found meditating just around the office. And Radik is also 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: a big fan of the execs I give health check, 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: something he now gets done religiously every couple of years. 18 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: So why are routines for the mind just as important 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: as our regular health and hygiene routines like brushing our 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: teeth or having a daily shower. And what can our 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: DNA tell us about our health habits? And what does 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: it mean to truly have good mental health at work. 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: And here's a hint, it starts with the people around you. 24 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: My name is doctor Amantha Imba. I'm an organizational psychologist 25 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: and the founder of Behavioral Science Consultancy Inventium, and this 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: is how I work a show about how to help 27 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: you do your best work. So when I was researching 28 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: for this interview with Radek, I've learned that he had 29 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: had a DNA test when him and his wife were 30 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: trying to get pregnant. So I was very keen to ask, 31 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: why do you do that? And what on earth does 32 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: the DNA test involve? 33 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: So a DNA test is just like a blood test. 34 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: It seems a bit scarier because a lot of sci 35 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: fi movies have run away with various subplots of what 36 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: you could do with your DNA, But ultimately the DNA 37 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: you can find out a whole lot of things about yourself. 38 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: And what we found is that we had a matching 39 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: DNA jeene that meant our chances of falling pregnant through 40 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: natural conception and without doing this this radical treatment that 41 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: we did was going to be very low. And so 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: thankfully we got onto that piece of advice and ten 43 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 2: years down the path. We finally had a baby girl, 44 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: so she's threed ow. 45 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: Wow, amazing. I have got a seven and a half 46 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: year old girl, so it's very very joyful. Lots of pink. Now, 47 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: what else did you find out in that DNA test 48 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: that I guess helped shape some of your health behaviors 49 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: and rituals. 50 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: Good question. 51 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: So the DNA test we did was really focused on 52 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: finding out whether we had that matching DNA, but there 53 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: was this there is an investment that we made as 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: a grouper's lot. Were in a company called my Dna 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: and that and I did the test there and that 56 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: is focused on wellness outcome. So what best matches your 57 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: DNA from a lifestyle point of view, So your diet, 58 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: your exercise, your capacity for digesting caffeine, So tips on 59 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: keeping your DNA as healthy as possible. And over ninety 60 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: nine percent of our DNA is influenced by lifestyle factors, so. 61 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: We can improve the health of our DNA. 62 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: We're not set sailing down the path of ending up 63 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: with a chronic disease unless we switch on our DNA 64 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: receptors and through through bad lifestyle choices. 65 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: So, what have been some of the most powerful things 66 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: You've found out about yourself through DNA testing. 67 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: That I have an extraordinary capacity for endurance, which it 68 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me now looking back at my life. But 69 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: I also get injured very easily and hence why my 70 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: knees are pretty ordinary and I struggle with running and 71 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: things like that, So that was one thing that was reassuring. 72 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: I also found out that it takes me six to 73 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: eight hours to process caffeine, so if I'm to have 74 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 2: a cup of coffee. 75 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 3: Late in the afternoon, I'm going to struggle with sleeping. 76 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: And also that a Mediterranean diet is the diet of 77 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: choice for me, whereas my wife was more focused on 78 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: a plant based diet. So it really comes back to 79 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: your personal situation and with the DNA you've been blessed 80 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: with and how can optimize that. 81 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: Are there any other health tests that you've done that 82 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: have influenced like how you think about health and well 83 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: being in your life. 84 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: Yeah. 85 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: I love doing an executive health check at the National 86 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: Institute of Integrated Medicine and we do that every two years, 87 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: and it's a full health check on the standard things 88 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: a stress test on your heart through to blood tests 89 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: and measuring things like cholesterol, all things that you'd go 90 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: to a doctor as a one off if you're concerned. 91 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: But also the benefits of this as you see a 92 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: psychologist and you have an evaluation where you're. 93 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: At, you have a good chat about your life and stress. 94 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: And because stress is the number one cause of all 95 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: chronic diseases, that's the. 96 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 3: Number one thing we need to get in hand and manage. 97 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: And so there's a whole lot of stress markets that 98 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: are well that can be measured through your blood. And 99 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: then also they look at things like your nutrition, like 100 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: your vitamin D levels, which is a goad essential for 101 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: our health throughout winter. A respiratory system just doesn't do 102 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: well unless our D levels are optimal, and many studies 103 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: have shown that over fifty percent of people. 104 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: In Melbourne alone we have a too low vitamin D levels. 105 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 3: And envitamin D is. 106 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: Essential for protecting us through winter through viruses and so 107 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: forth through to things like B vitamins and B vitamins 108 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: I ensure that your nervous system and your brain functions 109 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: operating correctly. So it's just a wondrous mix of great 110 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: information that I could go on about. And actually I 111 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: was just looking at the book that you get as 112 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: a result of that process at the end of it, 113 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: which is about a two hundred page document on your 114 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: health and how you can optimize it and do better 115 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: by it, and also markets that you need to be 116 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 2: aware of and regularly monitor. 117 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 3: And so to me, we go. 118 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: And do that with our cars very regularly by servicing them, 119 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 2: and we pay extraordinary amounts of money to fix our cars. 120 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: And yet when we talk about our health, we don't 121 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: think about it the same way. We should be doing 122 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: proactive system checks and how it is performing and how 123 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: we can optimize what we do each day through health. 124 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: And in terms of your own life with general health 125 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: and wellness behaviors, I'd love to know what are some 126 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: of the daily or weekly rituals that you have in 127 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: place to just function better as a human. 128 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think number one for me is just 129 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: the state of mind and making that choice to really 130 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: concern myself about the controllables in my life and what 131 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: I can do to manage that, because every day we 132 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: just get served with a set of uncontrollables and we 133 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: need to be the. 134 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: Best state possible to deal with those uncontrollables. 135 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: So the controllables are things like choosing to get the 136 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: right amount of sleep each night, choosing to exercise the 137 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: amount of times that make makes you feel invigorated, and 138 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: that's become more over time for me. 139 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: And I started out with three times a week and 140 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: now I'm. 141 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: Doing five to six times a week for an hour, 142 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: and that's something that I've just found it helps me 143 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: a lot through to choosing to do things practices like yoga, 144 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: which I now do three times a week and wasn't 145 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: doing three years ago, but had done as a child. 146 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: But probably if I'm frustrated thinking if I've done it 147 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: for the last twenty years, some of those injuries that 148 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: I was talking about earlier, I might have managed them 149 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: in a more positive function that said, my body is 150 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: moving better than it ever has as a result of 151 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: choosing to practice those modalities. 152 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: Also meditation. 153 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: Hella and I, my wife, we gave each other the 154 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: great gift of meditation a good bet seven eight years 155 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: ago where we got a meditation coach to coach es 156 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: both because we both thought we needed meditation to help. 157 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: Us deal with stress. 158 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: And I've done meditation as a child and many times 159 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: I've gone for mindful courses. 160 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: But what I discovered it was the best. 161 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: Coach that got me going and making it a practice 162 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: that I'm devout to where I do twenty minutes minimum 163 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: per day and then in stressful times like we see 164 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: at the moment where there are a lot of uncontrollables, 165 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: twice a day, twenty minutes is absolute necessity and it 166 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: should be something that you look forward to, like you know, 167 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: I look forward to brushing my teeth every night or 168 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: having a shower every day. The state of our mind 169 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: really should be something that we make a priority. 170 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: So that's been really important. 171 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: Choosing healthy food too, I mean the gift of doing 172 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: something healthy for your partner and preparing them a healthy 173 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: meal is a wonderful process just to go through and 174 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: to feel that that level of gratitude as a result 175 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: of doing that each other for each other. So service 176 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: and service, service in partnership with those around you, but 177 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 2: service to others around you is what I see is 178 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: essential as a leader in this day and age to 179 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 2: get by and see your role as a person that 180 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: serve and support those around you. 181 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: And how does serve and support those around you? How 182 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: does that work in practice? Can you give me examples 183 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: of what that looks like with the teams that you 184 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: work with, for example. 185 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: I'd probably like to think about it from a broad 186 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: point of view first, to just to break it down 187 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 2: and know, we all just saw the AFL Grand Final 188 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: on the weekend, and any kind of sporting event requires 189 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: a great coach to be there to support. And if 190 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: you watch the football or any sport you might be into, 191 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: there's permission for that coach to talk openly about the 192 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: player's development and team strategy and how the group is 193 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: going in delivering on that. And if you saw a 194 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: team member turn around and backchat to a coach and 195 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: say mat or there was generine disagreement amongst that group 196 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 2: that things weren't going to plan, the team's less likely 197 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: to win. And yes, sometimes that can become you know, 198 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: it could be a heated moment and a challenging moment 199 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: and they get through it. 200 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: And that ends up. 201 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: But when that's the fine balance of service and being 202 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 2: there to support, the thing that's always kept me up 203 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: at night is how people feel about the work they 204 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: do and whether they feel purpose in how they go 205 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: about doing it, And that, to me is our great 206 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: responsibility as leaders in society. Our version of democracy is 207 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: under attack. You democracy and capitalism, and the next best 208 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: version is autocratic capitalism, and I'm not too excited about that. 209 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: And so you know, eighty percent of people work in 210 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: workplaces in these free societies and in businesses, twenty percent 211 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: only work for government. So it's our responsibility as leaders 212 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: to ensure that people feel really great about the work. 213 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 2: We'll get better performance, but also we'll have a much 214 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: happier society as. 215 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: A result of it. 216 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: So with the idea of feeling a sense of purpose 217 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: at work, firstly, I want to know how do you 218 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: know if you're feeling it or if you're not. 219 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 2: Exactly, I think the most important thing is that you're 220 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: reviewing your culture and your values as often as your 221 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: business plan and so your KPI. As you budgeting, you 222 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: focus on the numbers, and the outcomes of those numbers 223 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: need to be really closely aligned. How's the culture doing 224 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: and does the organization have a value set? A guide's 225 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: decision and our people brought him to that value set 226 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: and hence the culture. 227 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: And are there specific questions that you like to ask people, 228 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: because I imagine like a lot of listeners would work in 229 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: organizations that have value stuck on the wall, Whether they're 230 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: lived or not is a whole other discussion. But you know, anecdotally, 231 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: like for example, when you're at Swiss and you're you know, 232 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: walking down the corridors back when we used to be 233 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: in an office, like, are there questions that you would 234 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: ask people just casually to get a sense as to 235 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, people like really dialed into the purpose of 236 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: they're feeling it. 237 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: And so that's where it has to be a fundamental 238 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: choice from everyone in the organization that they are going 239 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: to brace those values. There's nothing worse than having the 240 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: values on the wall and no one connecting with them, 241 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: that there's no reason for them, that there's no decisions 242 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: that are clearly guided by them. And the number one 243 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: thing that went to is when anyone presents to us 244 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: that's leading one of our businesses that we're invested in, 245 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 2: we get them to present the business player, present the values, 246 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: and then the culture player and then communication plan along 247 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: with that. 248 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: And I asked them to cover their eyes and repeat 249 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 3: the values. 250 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: And the amount of times people don't know what they 251 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 2: are it just continues to kind of make me smile. 252 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: Whereas if we're talking about the revenue targets, the bunch 253 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: of targets, the cost of goods, the payroll targets. 254 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: It's all very clear. Everyone knows KPIs. So you really 255 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 3: need to work really really hard on this notion of 256 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: it coming to life. 257 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: And so how we did, how I've done that in 258 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 2: past life, say at Swiss, was to make sure that 259 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: our choice of language is always constructive. You think about 260 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 2: if you go to a personal trader and they say 261 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: to you, right through your ten push ups, and you're 262 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: so halfway through that ten set of push ups and 263 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: they start telling you look tired. You're not going to 264 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: get through this, and this is how workplaces are. 265 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: You know, we. 266 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: Don't use constructive, positive language. So we threw out words 267 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: like problem. At Swiss it was replaced with challenge. I 268 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: still hesitate before I say a lot of these things 269 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: because of so against our nature to use these words, 270 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: because it was so ingrained. 271 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: It was so important for me as a leader to 272 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: reinforce you. 273 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: Know, instead of saying I we would talk about week 274 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: all the time, and you know, we talk about LGI moments, 275 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: so learn grow and improve moments. So that's when something 276 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: went wrong, we would talk about this is an LGI 277 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: and what you can learn from because from fun. 278 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: Out, I've heard you say that the people that you 279 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: have around you are really key to having good mental 280 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: health at work. Can you tell me what you mean 281 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: by that? 282 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 3: Well, I think that let's start with the basics. 283 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: We do so much better when we're around people that 284 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: enable us to thrive. 285 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: And that's a balance of not just telling each. 286 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: Other how great we are all the time, but also 287 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: being brave enough to say, hey, these are the areas 288 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: you need to improve it, and have enough respect in 289 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: that individual to want to make those changes to move 290 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: forward and become better. 291 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: So I like it. 292 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: So we've all had a bad relationship, you know, a 293 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: bad boyfriend and girlfriend, husband and wife, and we're just 294 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: such a not the best version of ourselves in that relationship, 295 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: and that other person wasn't either when I look back 296 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: at it. And then when you break up with them 297 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: or your friends say hey, I knew that was bad 298 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: for you, we's like, why didn't you tell me during 299 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: the situation. 300 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: And so a lot of us. 301 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: Are in this bad relationship at work and know, for me, 302 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: whenever someone didn't click with our culture, didn't get it 303 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: and didn't want to make those positive constructive choices to 304 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: deliver to work and you know what is quite confronting 305 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: to have quite honest and genuine conversations about how we're 306 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: going to improve, but. 307 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: Also hugely rewarding. 308 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: And the amount of people whose husband's wives partners told 309 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: me after that started working with us how much of 310 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: a better person they'd become as a result of the 311 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: wonderful culture that we had and the spy they have 312 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: in all our businesses. Just just underline this fact that 313 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: you can do it and do it in a way 314 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: that feels positive and great. And those one percent that 315 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: didn't work out five percent at certain times now maybe 316 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: they just want to be miserable in the workplace, and 317 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: I'd say that's wonderful. Go and be somewhere where others 318 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: are miserable, and you've all be miserable together. 319 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: Now, what's your process for vetting people if they're going 320 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: to be someone that is an energy giver as opposed 321 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: to more of an energy taker. 322 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: Well, I think that you've got to be really careful 323 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: because you need diversity and all shapes and sizes, and 324 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: you don't want just people, you know, on that kind 325 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 2: of extrovert end that are just all about rah rah 326 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: and calling out this is the way we go about it. 327 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: What I really love was seeing each of it really 328 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: embrace choice of languages but doing it in their style 329 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 2: and way, and it was really really effective. So you 330 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: need to be careful over just being a genuine chemistry 331 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 2: that you have, But it's about assessing what you think 332 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: that the organization needs and having that kind of that 333 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: perspective that you really need that mixture of personalities to 334 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 2: get the best outcomes. 335 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 3: Just like a great. 336 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: Team needs all sorts of people with shapes and sizes 337 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: and speeds and strength to get things done, but there's 338 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: a level of high performance that's required to get amazing 339 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: out now. 340 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: I like how you use a lot of sporting analogies 341 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: to the world of work. I'm curious what other ones 342 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: have you found really resonate with people in terms of 343 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: getting concepts to really click a land. 344 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I'm a big one for why waste 345 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: time at work? You know, when I got my first 346 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: job out of school, I worked at Village road Show 347 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: and I started in the candy bar, and I was 348 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: getting paid casually like all my mates. 349 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 3: Then funk job because you're in cinemas. 350 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: And then at the same time I was studying university, 351 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: and I was paying to go to university. I was 352 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: getting paid to learn about business and work and how 353 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: to manage people and so forth. So I worked really 354 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: hard and tiresly from there on this kind of development 355 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: of my leadership style, and there was just no room 356 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: for me to be any anything else but authentic because 357 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: a lot of these people that I worked with with 358 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: my mates that I would catch up with Drew in 359 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: the week for a drink outside of work, and then 360 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: I have to go to work and say, hey, guys, 361 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,719 Speaker 2: we're going to upset today or we're going to make 362 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: some chop tops. And as I progressed through the ranks 363 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 2: and took on my role seriously and. 364 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 3: Saw it as this great opportunity. 365 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: To learn, and it became as more important than my 366 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 2: university in the gray. 367 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: So you know, I. 368 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: Kind of liken that sort of lifetime journey to me 369 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: making the choice that I was going to be professional 370 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: about my work, professional. 371 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 3: Like a sportsperson. So if you want to win one 372 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: hundred meter rays, you have to have some talent first. 373 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: The goal that that goal at the Olympics is a 374 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 2: really difficult thing to do. You have to make a 375 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: whole lot of life sacrifices that are probably a whole 376 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: lot more aggressive than a lifetime in business. But there 377 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: are still a huge amount of choices that you need, 378 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: sacrifices that you need to make to be successful and 379 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: to operate at that high performance level. It won't just 380 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 2: happen automatically. It takes a whole lot of work and 381 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 2: commitment to it. 382 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 3: So why waste your time? 383 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 2: You're at work for the great This amount of your 384 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: waking hours that is your chosen profession, just like a 385 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 2: sportsperson has chosen that profession to be number one end, 386 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: just like a person in the arts might choose theater, 387 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: or an actor might choose to be top of aircraft. 388 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 3: It is a huge amount of hard work. And you 389 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 3: know what I've. 390 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: Realized too now the grand age of forty five is 391 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: that I won't be a CEO again. I don't have 392 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: the energy to do that again. It's a massive effort 393 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: and it took me good ten years of my life 394 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: that I don't think I could deliver again. 395 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: We will be back very shortly with Erratik, where we'll 396 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: be talking about why he thinks focusing on community is 397 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: the foundation for well being and also why erratic has 398 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: been known to often secretly pay for strangers coffees. Now, 399 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: if you are not fo me on the socials, but 400 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: you want to consume more content and get additional tips 401 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: and tricks and so forth for being better at work, 402 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: why not connect with me. I am on LinkedIn. You 403 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: can find me at Amantha INMBA. I'm also on Twitter 404 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: at Amantha and on Instagram at amantha I. And if 405 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: you do connect with me, shoot me a little note 406 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: to let me know that this is how you found me. 407 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from you, so, Radik, I've heard 408 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: you say that focusing on the community is a foundation 409 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: for well being. Can you tell me what you mean 410 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: by that? 411 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: Well, it's about filling your soul, filling your cup. And 412 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: I know I talked a little bit earlier about how 413 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: culture and how can affect families and how they feel 414 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: feel so much better going to a workplace feeling purpose. 415 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: But for greater meeting and organizations to have greater meeting, 416 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: they not only have to have a purpose for making 417 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: I suppose the world a better place. How they go 418 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: about doing business and the products they create. Uh, that 419 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: goes also into to working with community and doing work 420 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: that's above and beyond, and you know, the meetings that 421 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: I have and again that mood barometer. If I walk 422 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: out of a meeting that I've had with it a 423 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: not for profit, there's a beaming smile on my face 424 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 2: and my wife notices the difference. And being intuitive and 425 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: aware of these sorts of things is so important and 426 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: so yeah, one thing after yeah. So so just just 427 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 2: that that that feeling of gratitude, contentment, and that that 428 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: that sense of when you give something you feels so great. 429 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 2: I always love giving people presents and watching the reaction 430 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: from that happened. I gave more from that than than 431 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: than receiving a president a gift. So there's just so 432 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: much joy in giving. And so to be in the 433 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: lucky position where we sold Swiss wellness for an extraordinary 434 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: figure and now to have, you know, to sort of 435 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: step back and get a real sense of what's important 436 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 2: in life. I've chosen now to spend half my time 437 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: working with community, working alongside them, and that's not because, 438 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: you know, not only because I'm giving, but I get 439 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 2: so much more from that and just from the interaction 440 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 2: of extraordinary leaders that are out there just doing extraordinary things. 441 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 2: In society and being there to support, not help, AT's 442 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 2: walk alongside them. 443 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: And what do you recommend for people that are not 444 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: able to do that, because it's such a fortunate position 445 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: that you're in, So, you know, for people that aren't 446 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: able to dedicate half their life to doing not for 447 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: profit work or half their time, what do you see 448 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: as some effective, smaller ways that people can get that buzz. 449 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: There's so many things that you can do to just 450 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 2: make people's day better. And so your choice in terms 451 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: of getting out of bed and making that decision to 452 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: smile at someone as they walk past you, wave, do 453 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 2: the unexpected. I used to me for a long time, 454 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: I've just paid for people's coffee, sometimes in queues well 455 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: before I've done well financially, just to get a sense 456 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: of giving. So there are little things like that going 457 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: above and beyond. And then just knowing your responsibility in 458 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 2: the workplace to create a great culture and trying to 459 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: find ways to create purpose and meaning in what the 460 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 2: organization does and. 461 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: How you. 462 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: Kind of tread on this world and the impact it 463 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: has to those around you. 464 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: I love that example about paying for other people's coffee, 465 00:24:55,119 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: is that where you like say to the cashier, Can 466 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: I just give you some extra money for the person 467 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: behind me? Is that how that works for you? 468 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: Or you just yeah, you. 469 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 2: Get you give them some extra cash and say please 470 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 2: just take this off the the next bill. I mean, 471 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: cash isn't as popular now, but it's a bit more challenging. 472 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 2: But you know, in cues and grocery cues too, you know, 473 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: you might have an elderly person that you know, we 474 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: should be looking towards with respect and love. Again, just 475 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: just putting an extra fifty one hundred dollars towards their bill. 476 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: That's so cool. What are some other examples of things 477 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: that you do, like, whether that be in the workplace 478 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: or around your community, just those little things that really 479 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: like light up someone's day. 480 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: I think it's just been thoughtful and asking people questions 481 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 2: as to what interests them or what's happening and you 482 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: know what might be challenging them. And you know, sometimes 483 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: it's organizing an appointment with the doctor or a chiropractor 484 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 2: or an osteopath or acupuncture specialists and helping them deal 485 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: with something. So it's just asking questions, been truly interested 486 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: and then taking that a step further by doing something. 487 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: That's so cool. So you might speak to someone like 488 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: a friend or a colleague and they would express a 489 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: problem and you would go, hey, I'm going to book 490 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: you in to see this person. That's really awesome. Is 491 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? 492 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Or well you might know about a friend that's 493 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: going going out for an anniversary dinner that has been 494 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: really special to you for a long time, and give 495 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: that restaurant a call and pay the bill. 496 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: That's so awesome. I love that. And what are some 497 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: things that you do, like back at Swiss for example, 498 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: Just like just those little things that really make a 499 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: big difference to people. I'd love to hear some examples. 500 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: Well, this simple as language, And we talked a little 501 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: about a bit about the fact we chose words like 502 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: challenge instead of problem and instead of that there was 503 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: an issue with someone's performance, you know, in terms of 504 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 2: giving them feedback, would say, it's a learn, grow and 505 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 2: improve moment, an LGI moment, and so just opening up 506 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: with a little bit of humor and softening the situation 507 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: with positive anecdotes for how we can improve instead of 508 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 2: dealing with something in a negative way. You can so 509 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: quickly turn around a situation and it feels so much better. 510 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: You know, all of these things, you feel better as 511 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 2: much as the other person feels better if you're if 512 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 2: you're just awares of the way you approach things. So 513 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: you know, being a bit dorky is good fun. And 514 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 2: that's why a lot of the things I'm saying is 515 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: it sounds a bit dorky, but you know, that's a 516 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: good thing in life. I don't know if we're playful 517 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: enough in our everyday lives. We've got to have a 518 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 2: little bit of fun and just soften the moments, remember 519 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: that we're we're all human. 520 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: You mentioned gift giving and just you know the joy 521 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: that you get from giving, and I can definitely relate 522 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: to that like I you know, I love sending people 523 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: things in the mail, you know, whether it's a book, 524 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: whether it's some flowers or a bottle of champagne. It's funny. 525 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: One of my close friends just started a new job, 526 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: and I'd arranged for a bottle of champagne and some 527 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: flowers to be sent to her on her first day, 528 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: because it's a weird time to start a job at 529 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: the moment, because you don't go into an office. It's 530 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: a bit anti climactic. So I thought that would be 531 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: a really cool thing. And her start date changed about 532 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: four times, so I felt like every day I was 533 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: emailing the Hamper company, going, we just need to change 534 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: the date again, we need to change the date again. 535 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: But I'd love to know, like what a you know 536 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: the topic of you know, playfulness and fun. What are 537 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: some fun gifts that you've done that you've given to 538 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: people that have brought a lot of joy. 539 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, even just you sharing that story, 540 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: I was beaming smiling the whole way through at the 541 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: other end, and I can hear you with the same 542 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: And isn't that just the one wonderful thing that you 543 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: get from giving? And it's just such a nice remind 544 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: And I'm sure our listeners are feeling the same way 545 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: because they're all going back to that warm place that 546 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: you go to when you have that opportunity to give 547 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: someone that the unexpected and that's the key in life. 548 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: And so part of it was also setting up situations 549 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: where you created rewards for the team and those rewards 550 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: would be unexpected. So we did what was called a 551 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: H and H day Health and Happiness Day. We announced 552 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: at an end of year where we've done really well. 553 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: It was many years ago, back at Swiss time in 554 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 2: Swiss days, and so we gave people a day off 555 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 2: when when there was a public holiday in that month, 556 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: and it was fantastic and it was beautifully received. But 557 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: the one thing I'd say with warning is that if 558 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 2: you need to be careful around structuring gifts to those 559 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 2: people that have gratitude about it and thinking about how 560 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: they can step up their game too and give back. 561 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: So it's a constructive relationship, not just a one way relationship. 562 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 2: Sometimes it can be that way spontaneously, but not the norm. 563 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 2: And when you start to create as a normal in 564 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: a great culture, I think it's really important to create 565 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: performance around that and high performance and making sure that 566 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: you're getting this much back both ways. And it's the 567 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: same even with my not for profit organizations that I 568 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 2: work with. Sometimes it can be very one way and 569 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: there's not much regard for how much work that's actually 570 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 2: being done, and you kind of lose your wie and 571 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: that's not healthy. So it needs to make sure that 572 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: whatever you're doing, you're feeling better about it, it's making 573 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: forel warm and you're both gaining from it in their 574 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: equal way. And that's why I always say that we 575 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: don't help organizations, we walk alongside them because we gain 576 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: as much back from the knowledge, their inspiration and what 577 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: they're doing as working with them. So going back to 578 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: those performance measures in a corporate organization, you need to 579 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: make sure that it's geared around high performance and if 580 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: the team are performing great And so we actually had 581 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: to turn that H and H day, the Health and 582 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: Happiness Day into something that you earned out of having 583 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: a conversation with your manager on how you're performing. So 584 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: then that conversation has had too so people understood where 585 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: they stood and there was good open feedback on how 586 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: we can improve and do better, and then there was 587 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: a reward for good behavior that was mutually agreed and 588 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: it would be very rare. People wouldn't get it because 589 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: they wouldn't last long in the culture because again, if 590 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: it was one way, the organization would quick you know, 591 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: it wouldn't be me that would have to drive at 592 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 2: the organization, and peers around them would suggest it's probably 593 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: not the place that they're going to be happiest in. 594 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: Some people just love being miserable, so they're better off 595 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: working with other miserable people. 596 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: Definitely, Definitely, and for people that like like, Oh, I'd 597 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: love to do volunteer work, but I just don't even 598 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: know where to start. Like how does one find volunteer 599 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: work or not for profit that they want to volunteer for? 600 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: Like where do you start? 601 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's about thinking about your superpowers. We've 602 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: all got superpowers that we do things, you know, particularly 603 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 2: better than other things in our lives. So we need 604 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: to think about that and think about where we're going 605 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 2: to offer most. And then once we've got a good 606 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: sense of what that superpower is, we start to think 607 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: about our circle around us and asking, you know, are 608 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: there people that might be better off with the support 609 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: of your superpowers? And so, Yeah, aligning yourself with organizations 610 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: that are aligned with your cause and on what you're 611 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: looking to do is really really important, and it takes time. 612 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 3: It's a constant journey. 613 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 2: And I've been involved with some not for profits for 614 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: most of my working life twenty twenty five years, and 615 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: others have come in and out, and others I've connected 616 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 2: with in the last five six years that I see 617 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 2: a lifetime ahead of working with them. 618 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: I want to come back to meditation. I'm intrigued by 619 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: the fact that you got a coach. And I also 620 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: heard that from Josh Pitterman, who I have had on 621 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: the show and is actually someone that mentioned you and 622 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: said what a good guest you would be as and 623 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: I said before we started recording, I've followed your career 624 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: for years and I'm a fan from afar. But in 625 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: terms of getting a coach for meditation, how did you 626 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: even go about finding a coach that was going to 627 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: be the right fit for you? 628 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: Well, the universe still visit you what you wanted if 629 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,479 Speaker 2: you focus your intent on it enough. And so funnily enough, 630 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 2: we'd talked to probably two or three other people about 631 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 2: meditation and they both mentioned this coach, and so it 632 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: just felt like that it was the right thing to 633 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: follow that calling and follow that circle of people that 634 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: you know, we like a track's like and you have 635 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 2: these kind of conversations with and we did it under 636 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 2: recommendation as a result of conversation. And yeah, we looked 637 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: up Johnny and you know, he's amazing and thankfully for everyone, 638 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: you can do his free course. It's one giant line 639 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: with the number one giant mind. It's an app on 640 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 2: the Apples and the Android store, and it sets you 641 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 2: up with a thirty day challenge and the amount of 642 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 2: positive feedback I've had from people taking that up is wonderful. 643 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 2: But look, to be honest with you, meditation isn't for everyone. 644 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 2: And as I said, I tried mindfulness and I did 645 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 2: Japanese ink brush painting. There's a lot of meditation link 646 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 2: to that, and do meditation with that. And you know, really, 647 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 2: until I'd found what felt right for me, I hadn't 648 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 2: been too successful in practicing every day. So I just 649 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 2: encourage people to go out and an experiment and try 650 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 2: different things, you know, like some people like running, others 651 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 2: like to play golf or go for a walk. It's 652 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 2: the same thing with finding our center. Just as long 653 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 2: as that process. You know, it might be breath work. 654 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 2: I might be whim half and jumping into you know, 655 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: ice an ice bath, or getting in the ocean every 656 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 2: morning and going for a swim. It's just something that 657 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 2: settles the noise in our heads, that doubt, or just 658 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 2: makes us aware of it. That you know, we're so 659 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 2: much happier if we've got that noise in check and 660 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 2: we realize what's going on, so then at least we 661 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 2: can start to address it. 662 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: And so I've heard that the type of meditation you 663 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 1: did with Johnny focused on a mantra. Can you tell 664 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: me about the sort of mantras that you use. 665 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, the wonderful thing about having the mantra is 666 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: that it gives you something to focus on. And what 667 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 2: you basically do. You're given a Sanskrit word and essentially you. 668 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 3: Repeat that word while you're practicing your meditation. 669 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 2: And the wonderful thing about the style of meditation, which 670 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 2: is vain meditation, is that you're taught to it's okay 671 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 2: to have thoughts, and that's part of you do stressing. 672 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 2: So what I find for that twenty minutes is that 673 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 2: while I'm repeating the mantra, things come up, but they're 674 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 2: almost dream like. They're kind of makes sense but they din't. 675 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 2: But they're obviously causing me stress, and I need to 676 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 2: decant them and go through a detoxifying process. By letting 677 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 2: them go, you know, those thoughts wonder and dissipate. And 678 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 2: so the great challenge for me in other forms of 679 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 2: meditation is that you weren't encouraged to think anything, and 680 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: that's near impossible I think for. 681 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: Humans to do it, definitely, And so is the mantras 682 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: in Sanskript, like, can you give me some examples of 683 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: ones that you use and maybe what they mean translated? 684 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not allowed to give up my mantra that's 685 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 3: part of all. 686 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 2: But there is a generic one that's rum rum that's 687 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 2: on the app that that that is used. 688 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 3: But we all get. 689 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 2: A personalized mantra given to us by our Vedic coach 690 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 2: and that's based on our chakras and kind of what 691 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,280 Speaker 2: they see is necessary for oatgroundings. 692 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Now I heard that you like you meditate 693 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 1: in public and this was something that you've brought into 694 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: workplaces that you've been a part of. Can you tell 695 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: me like if I was, you know, just happened to 696 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: be walking into an office like you know when back 697 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: in the days where we worked in an office, like 698 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: what would I see? 699 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we had Johnny come and coach the team, 700 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 2: and we probably had seventy percent of our team meditating 701 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 2: twice per day, and we'll be a morning session around 702 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 2: eight am and another one around three o'clock. Now, I 703 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 2: generally couldn't join those group sessions, but I would do 704 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 2: do mine and around five or sometimes. 705 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 3: At three in my office. 706 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 2: But my office had big glass windows and everyone and 707 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 2: also I'd be in the office at eight am and 708 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 2: be meditating in the office. So I'd always meditate in 709 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,720 Speaker 2: the office to lead by example in a very public 710 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 2: place where people would see me and see that I 711 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 2: was living what I preached. 712 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: So, Radik, I've loved our chat for people that want 713 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: to connect with you and find out more about what 714 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: you are doing. What is the best way to do that. 715 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 2: I'm most engaged on LinkedIn side. Just look me up 716 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 2: on LinkedIn and we'll go back to you. 717 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: Wonderful Radick. Well, this conversation has brought a huge smile 718 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: to my face. 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