Speaker 1: Good a Peter Helly here Welcome to you Ain't Seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet? A movie podcast where our chat to a
Speaker 1: movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't
Speaker 1: quite gotten around to watching until now. And today's guest comedian,
Speaker 1: actor podcaster Adam Richard.
Speaker 2: The first rule of fake Club is you do not
Speaker 2: talk about fake club.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: It was you afraid of you broke my heart. I
Speaker 2: admire your luck, mister Bond.
Speaker 1: James Bond, have an anything right now?
Speaker 3: You don't see nothing here.
Speaker 1: When I think of Adam Richard, I get a little
Speaker 1: bit giddy, mainly because I've known Adam for nearly twenty
Speaker 1: five years. He was one of the first people I
Speaker 1: met on the comedy scene when I was trying to
Speaker 1: break in to this industry, and we hung out a lot.
Speaker 1: We actually did appearances on The Loft Live together. But
Speaker 1: it was a couple of shows called Shame and its sequel,
Speaker 1: Shame the College Years, that I did with Adam Richard.
Speaker 4: And the wonderful Kim Hope.
Speaker 1: Then for the sequel Shame the College Yes, were joined
Speaker 1: by Rove McManus, and it was just it reminds me
Speaker 1: of a certain time in my career when the possibility
Speaker 1: seemed endless, and Adam was so much fun to work with.
Speaker 1: His giggle alone brings a smile to my face. Adam
Speaker 1: has had an amazing career. He was an early adopter
Speaker 1: of the podcast with the Talking Puffy with the wonderful
Speaker 1: Scott Brennan. He has a new podcast or more recent
Speaker 1: podcast called Adam Adam Richard has a theory where he
Speaker 1: sprinks various Doctor Who theories. He also was a panel
Speaker 1: member on Hohobians with Grove McManus.
Speaker 4: He writes for Hard Quiz.
Speaker 1: He was a team captain on The Revised Fixed and
Speaker 1: specs with Josh Earl and Ala Hooper. He also I
Speaker 1: want to play special attention to this. He wrote and
Speaker 1: acted in a fantastic and criminally underrated or maybe underseen
Speaker 1: ABC comedy series called Outland. If you get a chance
Speaker 1: to see Outland, I'm not sure if it's still on abciview,
Speaker 1: but just out of a just search in your various
Speaker 1: search engines and trackdown Outland. It's a comedy series about
Speaker 1: science fiction kind of geeks for one.
Speaker 4: Of a better term. They're all kind of outcasts.
Speaker 1: I think they're all gay, and it's just it's it's
Speaker 1: so fun and it's got a big heart, and I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit surprised that hadn't gone on and become
Speaker 1: a much bigger hit.
Speaker 4: But it's it's really fun.
Speaker 1: Adam is a dazzling and intoxicating mix of sass and
Speaker 1: a serbic wit, and personally, Adam is so much fun
Speaker 1: to be around. He's intelligent and highly perceptive and I'm
Speaker 1: bloody stoked to be hanging with him today.
Speaker 5: Hi, this is the allegedly fabulous I'm Richard and my
Speaker 5: three favorite films are Silence of the Lambs, I.
Speaker 6: Ate his lever with some father beans and a nice KNDI.
Speaker 3: Beauty and the Beast, the cartoon.
Speaker 7: Tale As Old as Time, Song As Old as.
Speaker 5: Rhyme, and the two thousand and nine version of Star
Speaker 5: Trek directed.
Speaker 2: By J j Awams and Dare You to Do Better?
Speaker 5: But up until today, I had never seen the Maltese Falcon.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I used to think that
Speaker 1: Maltese Falcon was a spaceship owned by Hans Solo's cousin
Speaker 1: from Malta. I wasn't aware that, in fact, represented the
Speaker 1: birth of two film icons. Director John Houston's directorial debut
Speaker 1: and the movie that made an icon out of its
Speaker 1: leading man, Humphrey Bogart, based on the novel by Dashiel Hammett.
Speaker 1: This was a third attempt to bring this story to
Speaker 1: the silver screen and clearly the most successful. Bogie plays
Speaker 1: the ambiguous detective Samuel Spade, whose partner, the over the top,
Speaker 1: cartoonishly sleezy Miles Archer, is gunned down after being paid
Speaker 1: a trailer man by compulsive liar and Femfertale bridget O'shannessy
Speaker 1: played by Mary Astor. The fact that sam Spay gives
Speaker 1: zero Fox that his partner was murdered, on top of
Speaker 1: the correct suspicion that he is in fact knocking off
Speaker 1: Archer's missus, puts him on the top of the list
Speaker 1: of suspects the police are looking into. Add to this
Speaker 1: a bunch of slippery and untrustworthy crims who are on
Speaker 1: the search for one of cinema's greatest mcguffin's, the titular
Speaker 1: Maltese Falcon, credited for bringing Field, credited for ushering in
Speaker 1: the film noir movement. The Maltese Falcon was nominated for
Speaker 1: three Academy Awards. Opening the world the femfertals world weary,
Speaker 1: fast talking anti heroes for doras Dames. Smoking gun reveals
Speaker 1: shadows and darkness, both on the inside of the characters
Speaker 1: and on the outside world. Adam Richard, how many unfilled
Speaker 1: cigarettes do you think we can get through during this chat?
Speaker 3: Listen to me. I've had fourteen already.
Speaker 1: It's early.
Speaker 3: That's just asthma.
Speaker 5: I wish, I wish i'd been smoking up a storm.
Speaker 1: So good, so good to chat to you, husky voice
Speaker 1: or not. And thank you for coming on. I've been
Speaker 1: looking forward to having you on for a long time.
Speaker 1: You were one of these guests who it wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: the easiest one to find a movie that you hadn't seen.
Speaker 3: You are consume a lot of movies.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so some people just know I say what
Speaker 1: haven't you seen? And they know the back of their
Speaker 1: head there's a movie that they haven't seen. It might
Speaker 1: be Star Wars or Sure Shank Redemption. We had to look,
Speaker 1: you know, you went through the lists and you came
Speaker 1: up with a couple. And why why did your land
Speaker 1: on Malti's falcon.
Speaker 5: I think because I've seen a lot of film noir
Speaker 5: and I just hadn't seen this one, which is kind
Speaker 5: of the archetype. Really, it's weird to have seen heaps
Speaker 5: of film noir but not see the one that kind of,
Speaker 5: you know, kicked it all off realistically. I've seen you know,
Speaker 5: Double Indemnity and Mildred Pierce, I've seen the Big Sleep
Speaker 5: Key Lago, you know, but this one just managed to
Speaker 5: skip by me for some reason.
Speaker 1: And for discos. I hadn't seen this as well. And
Speaker 1: I watched Casablanca in the first series in Britain and
Speaker 1: it really is, you know, as great as that they say,
Speaker 1: and you know, and then I think it was the
Speaker 1: first Boga film I'd actually watched. So I was I'm
Speaker 1: going to use his podcasts as a reason maybe to
Speaker 1: look into more Boga and multi filblem kept on coming up.
Speaker 1: I was aware of this history of you know, being
Speaker 1: the you know, the first film noir film made, and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well I need to see it.
Speaker 1: So I'm really glad I have, and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to talk to you.
Speaker 4: More about it.
Speaker 1: But before we do, let's circle back to your top
Speaker 1: three films. Silence of the Lambs has come up before
Speaker 1: him in people's favorites and what a movie it is.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's amazing.
Speaker 5: It's you know, you know what I love about it
Speaker 5: is that it never pays off the tension until the
Speaker 5: final moments of the film, Like just the tension builds
Speaker 5: and builds and builds and builds, and even you know,
Speaker 5: when he sits up, when he sits up in the
Speaker 5: ambulance with someone else's face on, it's it's not even
Speaker 5: that isn't a big like moment. It's just sort of
Speaker 5: like and then you move on to something else really quickly.
Speaker 5: So it's not until she fires a gun right at
Speaker 5: the end that you're like, oh my god, I can
Speaker 5: breathe out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a balancing act.
Speaker 1: I watched it reasonably recently, and Hannibal Elector is loom
Speaker 1: so large in our psyche.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, that you.
Speaker 1: Kind of when I was watching, I forgot that, Oh
Speaker 1: he's not actually the criminal he like like he's a criminal,
Speaker 1: obviously he's not. He literally eats people. That's why they've
Speaker 1: got on Cannibal. So that's against the law.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure. I mean, there's a weird.
Speaker 1: Little in America, but I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 4: That's that's still against the law.
Speaker 1: It's very much frowned upon, and so you kind of go, actually,
Speaker 1: they're after Buffalo Bill, of course, and yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: an astonishing performance and it's it's just one of those
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure the film would be very good
Speaker 1: if you replace Jodie Foster and Hannibal Lecter with you know,
Speaker 1: two good actors for example. Yeah, but what elevates it
Speaker 1: obviously is the performance by Anthony Hopkins and and and
Speaker 1: the chemistry he has with with Jodie Foster.
Speaker 5: So he's only in the for eleven minutes. It is
Speaker 5: apparently it's like, is that the record for the shortest
Speaker 5: performance to win the lead actor Oscar?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been some really short ones that have won
Speaker 1: supporting actors.
Speaker 5: Judy Dench got supporting actor in Shakespeare Love for eight minutes.
Speaker 4: The Queen, I think, yeah, Queen.
Speaker 3: Elizabeth, she said she was there for a day.
Speaker 4: That's amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: In makeup, Yeah, that's incredible. No, it's it's, it's it's
Speaker 1: and it holds up really well. So on the lads,
Speaker 1: So you can watch it now and still be I
Speaker 1: saw it in the cinema and it was it was
Speaker 1: one of the you know, sweatier palmed films I've seen.
Speaker 5: I think I saw it like maybe six or seven
Speaker 5: times in the cinema, like I was, I was it
Speaker 5: ninety one would have been twenty, so I was.
Speaker 1: You know, I think you go on some kind of
Speaker 1: police registr if you see six times in the cinema.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, as Alexi Teleopolis calls it, I'm a registered cinephile.
Speaker 3: Now after.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear an ankle bracelet. He's a north Land Now,
Speaker 1: he's a north Land.
Speaker 3: Greensborough plaza. What's he doing there?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got air conditioning.
Speaker 1: Beauty in the Beast I liked that you you were
Speaker 1: clear that it was the cartoon version of Beauty in
Speaker 1: the Beast because.
Speaker 5: I had to watch the avoided all of those Disney
Speaker 5: remakes of cartoons until Anne Marie Bigger came on Hard
Speaker 5: Quiz has Been Special, and I was the senior writer
Speaker 5: on the episode, so I had to watch it and
Speaker 5: write her questions.
Speaker 3: Because like she chose me to the Beast.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, awesome, I love Beauty to the
Speaker 5: Beast and then she's like, yeah, the one with Emma
Speaker 5: wats them.
Speaker 3: Oh no, why would you do this to me?
Speaker 5: And it's horrible, like that is a horrible, horrible experience,
Speaker 5: Like it's it's a terrible film, Like there's nothing redeeming
Speaker 5: about it whatsoever.
Speaker 4: What mistakes did they make in the live action version?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think it's a modern film thing where everything has
Speaker 5: to have an origin story, Like you have to find
Speaker 5: out why she doesn't have a mother, Like that's a
Speaker 5: whole story they bother to tell. Like I don't know
Speaker 5: if you've seen the Kenneth Browner death on the Nile,
Speaker 5: but you get the origin of Piro's mustache.
Speaker 1: No, I've heard about this. I haven't watched it. I
Speaker 1: am going to watch it because I enjoyed Murder on
Speaker 1: the Only Express. You know, he get ad remake very
Speaker 1: much so. But I have heard there's a weird origin story.
Speaker 5: It is so strange. It's in black and white, it's
Speaker 5: in World War One. It's like you're like, what is
Speaker 5: the what is happening here? And it's been digitally da
Speaker 5: just like, oh, this is all too much. But yeah,
Speaker 5: so with the Beauty and the Beast, like everyone has
Speaker 5: like a weird origin. There's this weird storyline with Stanley
Speaker 5: Tucci playing a piano, Like literally he is his character
Speaker 5: is a piano.
Speaker 1: Well, they say every actor wants to play Macbeth and
Speaker 1: the piano.
Speaker 5: That's yeah, Tucci's finally managed it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's just it's overblown.
Speaker 5: It's like also, you know, like it was fine when
Speaker 5: Jerry Orbuch was pretending to be French in the cartoon,
Speaker 5: but it just felt weird. You were McGregor, like in
Speaker 5: this day and age to be pretending to be French.
Speaker 5: It's like I feel like you've like nowadays, like surely
Speaker 5: there's a French person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree, and even even to me, honest,
Speaker 1: I started watching The Bad Batchelor Style was animated series. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I assume the bad match refers to the accents
Speaker 1: they're gone with, because there's a there's a motley bunch
Speaker 1: of Aussie, keiw South African accents, and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: aren't done by.
Speaker 4: Actors from those countries. I think there's one.
Speaker 1: There's a girl and I've forgot the name, but she
Speaker 1: she's a KeyWe actress, and I think and it comes
Speaker 1: across as a genuine kind of you know.
Speaker 3: Is it Are they all just clones? Is it meant
Speaker 3: to be?
Speaker 5: Are they all meant to be Tomura Morrison, but he's
Speaker 5: too busy.
Speaker 1: Doing a Bubba fat. But I yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's just like the idea that these have
Speaker 1: been like bastardized versions, you know, because it is a
Speaker 1: bad Batch. Maybe my whimsical take of the bad Batch
Speaker 1: in Friendship Accents, he's not far off the truth, the
Speaker 1: idea that they're not quite they haven't quite you know,
Speaker 1: got it right for some reason, or.
Speaker 5: Maybe they started with the castle. They're like, no one
Speaker 5: could do the accent. We're going to call it the
Speaker 5: bad Bat. Can't find anyone that you can do to
Speaker 5: Maria Morrison, We're just gonna call it the bad Batch.
Speaker 5: That'll be the easy way out.
Speaker 1: Jayla guy is on speed Oh come on.
Speaker 3: I saw a film with him in it when I
Speaker 3: was in New Zealand.
Speaker 5: Like it was a like we went to a we
Speaker 5: were like, well we should say a local film.
Speaker 3: While we're here. Yeah, and it was him.
Speaker 5: And he was like a yeah, and the guy who
Speaker 5: plays the Young Rock like really tall Aussie guy, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: who plays Young Rock in The Young Rock.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was this deranged film about all these bad people
Speaker 5: that moved into a street it was very silly, like
Speaker 5: the Kiwi sense of humor is delightful.
Speaker 1: They do it really well. Whatever that is that New
Speaker 1: Zealand sensibility. It's got a big heart and a bit
Speaker 1: of quirk.
Speaker 5: Gentle humor, like there's nothing kind of nasty about it,
Speaker 5: like it feels, you know, it's like you can get
Speaker 5: big belly laves without there's no roasting going on, like
Speaker 5: it's all it's very self effacing, but not in a
Speaker 5: kind of nasty you know, I'm not putting myself down
Speaker 5: in a big way.
Speaker 3: It's look, I'm a bit of an idiot.
Speaker 1: And life affirming and you know it's yeah, And for
Speaker 1: some reason in Australia we haven't quite been able to
Speaker 1: hit on that kind of magic chemistry.
Speaker 4: I don't think, I.
Speaker 5: Think because we tend to go very broad with our comedy,
Speaker 5: like it's you know, we and you know, I think
Speaker 5: I think that's you know, structural. I think we have
Speaker 5: too many producers and not enough writers, and so there's
Speaker 5: too many people saying not like that like this, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Could you write it yourself? No? No, I can tell
Speaker 3: you how to do it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes maybe there is You're right, maybe in
Speaker 1: New Zealand, they do back the vision of the actor.
Speaker 5: There's not enough people there to be producer. I run
Speaker 5: it past Dolly and she barred her consent.
Speaker 1: I realized Dolly the Sheep was now now in New Zealand,
Speaker 1: besiding as Adu of movies.
Speaker 3: Did you know Dolly the Sheep was?
Speaker 5: I mean she was named after Dolly Parton because she
Speaker 5: was cloned from a memory cell.
Speaker 3: Horrifictly, you know, Scottish Nurse.
Speaker 1: Dolly should be canceled, the one clone ship should be
Speaker 1: canceled based on that factor.
Speaker 4: Line.
Speaker 5: Well, Dolly Parton herself offered, like when she heard about it,
Speaker 5: she's like, oh, that's amazing. I think it's an amazing
Speaker 5: step forward, like just completely pushing away any kind of
Speaker 5: nastiness that the journalist was trying to imply. And she
Speaker 5: goes and you know, when they're finished doing whatever they
Speaker 5: need to do with Dolly, I'm offering her a place
Speaker 5: to retire at my Dollywood ranch because we've got plenty
Speaker 5: of animals there. And I'm like, only Dolly Parton could
Speaker 5: name drop her own theme park. When someone was trying
Speaker 5: to get a gotcha question on her about cloned cheek
Speaker 5: and She's like, yeah, yeah, you think you're having to
Speaker 5: go at my boobs.
Speaker 3: But I've got a theme park.
Speaker 4: Oh and by the way, he's a vaccine.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. And then you got that one you
Speaker 3: can get at a price.
Speaker 1: Line and you get a new CD.
Speaker 3: As well.
Speaker 1: But yes, it's despite beating the beach before, we got
Speaker 1: a Star Trek.
Speaker 4: What what did the what did the cart? The animated cart?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to say cut into the
Speaker 1: animated original, get right.
Speaker 5: I think it's just the simplicity of storytelling, like, don't
Speaker 5: overburden it with too much, like it's you know, it's
Speaker 5: I mean, it's problematic nowadays, like he locks her up
Speaker 5: in the cell and goes, then you'll fall in love
Speaker 5: with me, um, Like it's difficult, but I still cry
Speaker 5: every time he lets her go, has that moment of like,
Speaker 5: I've been selfish, I've been an idiot, and I need
Speaker 5: to let you go, even though letting her go means
Speaker 5: he's going to be condemned to a life as a beast.
Speaker 3: And he gives her the.
Speaker 5: Little mirror so he can look in on her, she
Speaker 5: can look in on him, and it's just yeah, it's
Speaker 5: I don't know it's just like an emotional thrust. I
Speaker 5: think it's also Howard Ashman and Allen Mankin, like they
Speaker 5: just had like a magic when they worked together, like
Speaker 5: they did The Little Mermaid and Little Shop of Horrors,
Speaker 5: and they just had something incredible, Like you know, it's
Speaker 5: they showed a work print of Beauty and the Beast
Speaker 5: at the New York Film Festival, like it wasn't even completed.
Speaker 5: Some of it were just just sketches, like just weird
Speaker 5: animated you know, stills. Some of it was fully rendered,
Speaker 5: but it got a standing ovation, like people loved it
Speaker 5: even though it wasn't finished, like the like Disney just went, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: we'll just show it. It feels like it's a good movie.
Speaker 5: Everyone in the office seems to like it, and it's yeah.
Speaker 5: So it's it's still it still really holds up. Like
Speaker 5: like I said, it's a you know, like a lot
Speaker 5: of old films, what it's saying on a meditextural level
Speaker 5: is difficult, or what.
Speaker 1: You're saying yesterday that The Notebook is going to be
Speaker 1: is you know, there's there's petitions to get their cancer.
Speaker 1: Because Ryan Gosling holds Regil Adams hostage on a Ferris Wheel.
Speaker 1: We just sometimes we just said to go, Okay, we
Speaker 1: don't do that anymore, but I can still enjoy a movie.
Speaker 5: It's yeah, it's it's but you know, it's the fairest wheel.
Speaker 5: Once you're on, you can't get off.
Speaker 1: As you know, I'm a massive Star Wars fan, so
Speaker 1: I've have been resistant to Star Trek over the years.
Speaker 4: It's my own baggage.
Speaker 1: But when J. J. Abrams took over the Star Trek franchise,
Speaker 1: I thought this was an opportunity to maybe get in
Speaker 1: because I was going back to the start, was my understanding,
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed this film. Why do you You're a
Speaker 1: big science fiction fan? Obviously obviously you love you Doctor
Speaker 1: Who and Startup? But why have you chosen this one?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: I kind of like, like, so Silence of the Lambs
Speaker 5: and Beauty and the Beast weirdly competing with each other
Speaker 5: at the nineteen ninety one oscars, like they came out
Speaker 5: at the same time. So they've been just like ingrained
Speaker 5: in my brain for a long time as my two
Speaker 5: favorite films, and it was weird having to think of
Speaker 5: a third one, and I was like, why is my
Speaker 5: other favorite film? I didn't and I thought, what's the
Speaker 5: one film I watch for comfort? Like, what's the one
Speaker 5: film I just will put on and go. I mean, no,
Speaker 5: I'm going to enjoy this. And every time I watch it,
Speaker 5: I enjoy it. And I thought, oh, it's the J.
Speaker 5: J Abrams Star Trek film. Like I even went to
Speaker 5: see it with the Melbourn Symphony Orchestra playing Michael Giaccino's score,
Speaker 5: and like started crying when the credit started rolling with
Speaker 5: the big drums.
Speaker 3: I was like, and I was with my sister. I
Speaker 3: was like, what is happening? I'm crying? She because I
Speaker 3: know it's the orchestra. What's happening.
Speaker 5: It's just like it's fun. Like it kind of pulls
Speaker 5: together all of Star Trek. And I don't want to
Speaker 5: offend you now, but you know, Star Trek is well
Speaker 5: written science fiction as opposed to Star Wars, which is
Speaker 5: lots of fun explosions, and I enjoy the fun explosions paint.
Speaker 5: I love fun explosions. I was obsessed with Darth Vader
Speaker 5: from a very young age. Very sad in Return of
Speaker 5: the Jedi, I thinkoter of a film when because you know,
Speaker 5: my hero dies, But yeah, I just I always loved
Speaker 5: that Star Trek was more about the writing, and you know,
Speaker 5: you could have whole episodes of Star Trek where they're
Speaker 5: just all in one room arguing about stuff, and it
Speaker 5: was fine as a TV show, but this was big
Speaker 5: and bold and exciting. Chris Pine is really, you know, compelling,
Speaker 5: and also it's got the secret ingredient I think for
Speaker 5: a blockbuster that people sometimes forget is the reason things
Speaker 5: make money, and that is Zoe Saldana. Like she's she's
Speaker 5: an avatar, She's in Guardians of the Galaxy, and she
Speaker 5: plays a horror in this and they're three of the
Speaker 5: biggest blockbusters you can imagine, and it's like, you.
Speaker 3: Should just put her in everything, like she obviously makes money.
Speaker 1: Imagine if you put her and Bruce Spence in the
Speaker 1: same movie, because Bruce Spence, yes, I think you're talking Matrix,
Speaker 1: you're talking Lord of the Rings, You're talking. Yes, some
Speaker 1: of the movies he O Weaving would be in that
Speaker 1: conversation as well.
Speaker 5: Imagine it's always Soldana was in those two other Matrix
Speaker 5: movies instead of Jada Pinkett, like we might have actually
Speaker 5: enjoyed them.
Speaker 1: Watch Will Smith is about to come and slap You
Speaker 1: don't talk about his fucking wife.
Speaker 5: Thoughtry is really good in the new one, like in
Speaker 5: the Resurrection.
Speaker 3: Like that the what was it?
Speaker 4: What was that?
Speaker 1: The reason why call I enjoy I actually enjoyed the
Speaker 1: latest Matrix film.
Speaker 5: I did too. I thought it was fun and satirical
Speaker 5: and silly, and I.
Speaker 1: Thought I took chances, and I thought the chances kind
Speaker 1: of paid off. Like and I you know, like I
Speaker 1: we all, you know, either really love or admire that
Speaker 1: the Matrix film. I'm probably in the somewhere in between.
Speaker 1: But and yeah, even the sequels. I've defended this by saying,
Speaker 1: the way you describe Star Wars, I would just describe
Speaker 1: them as Matrix sequels is just their action films with
Speaker 1: cool studies.
Speaker 5: Once you get past the fact that they make no sense,
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, it's okay, yeah, okay, to make no sense.
Speaker 5: You're having a twenty minute action sequence on a freeway.
Speaker 3: I'm cool.
Speaker 4: It's really funny.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you're watching something, you go, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: understand something that's not really there or yeah, and when
Speaker 1: you let go, you can actually enjoy it a whole
Speaker 1: lot more. It was Magic Resurrections that wasn't naming but yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, I really, I.
Speaker 5: Really enjoyed it, and I thought I thought Jada Pinkett
Speaker 5: did an amazing job, because sometimes she can be you know,
Speaker 5: grating as an actor, Like, although I enjoyed Demon Night,
Speaker 5: I thought she was great in that. That's a fun
Speaker 5: little film that's tales from the Crypt. They did a
Speaker 5: movie called Demon Night. It's very silly, but she's great.
Speaker 5: It's but yeah, I just didn't lie. I think it's
Speaker 5: got them kind of made me go, it's not acting.
Speaker 4: Just to your podcasts and.
Speaker 5: Have your abrasive conversations with people, and you're weird. Marriage,
Speaker 5: let's get out.
Speaker 3: Of my face.
Speaker 4: Adam Ridges is in the house, and you're weird.
Speaker 5: Children that you've named as if you're on an episode
Speaker 5: of Bold and the Beautiful taking bits of each each
Speaker 5: of yours names to genders, flip them like it was Rick,
Speaker 5: Rick and Bridge and bolded the Beautiful, it was origin,
Speaker 5: it was kids.
Speaker 1: It was weird. When when as soon as they oscar
Speaker 1: slap happened, the son what's his son's name, Cradick Jaden
Speaker 1: got on and they said, yeah, that's how we do it,
Speaker 1: and it aged really badly because he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that was that was bad.
Speaker 4: That's not how we do it. It's not what I'm about.
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, enough of that, Let's talk about this
Speaker 1: film that we are here to discuss. It's the nineteen
Speaker 1: forty one classic credited for ushing the film the Movement
Speaker 1: in Harvary Bogart, Marie Asta, Peter Laurie, Sidney Green Street
Speaker 1: and directed and written by John Houston. Nineteen forty one.
Speaker 1: Adam Richard, What did you make and did you like
Speaker 1: the multice Falcon?
Speaker 3: Oh? What fun? Like I didn't expect it to be
Speaker 3: as fun as I was.
Speaker 5: I thought, oh, this is going to be a duer
Speaker 5: standing in shadows like you know, depressing film noir, like
Speaker 5: like you know, Double Indemnity. It's like a lot of
Speaker 5: sitting around wunning for cast to stuff. But like Bogy
Speaker 5: is having a ball, yea Humphrey Boger. Like it's weird
Speaker 5: to think that this was the film that made him
Speaker 5: the star he became, Like this was the first one
Speaker 5: because you're just like he seems so confident and comfortable
Speaker 5: in this role. It's like like everyone's being kind of
Speaker 5: really you know, devious and at cross purposes and he's
Speaker 5: just like.
Speaker 3: Nah, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 5: Even the one scene where he gets really angry. In
Speaker 5: the next moment you're like, oh he was putting that on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he leaves the room and he's just laughing.
Speaker 1: It's fun because I saw he said I mentioned earlier
Speaker 1: Casi Blank was my first Boguart experience, and which.
Speaker 5: He got after this like this came out and was like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: we've got to put him in this now.
Speaker 1: Well, Johnny Houston and Humphrey Boger become great mates and
Speaker 1: drinking part as basically, and then make a whole lot
Speaker 1: of films to get a Key Lago, The Treasure, Sierra
Speaker 1: Madre and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and lots of stuff and Queen Queen Yes.
Speaker 1: And but Bogart in that he doesn't like, is in
Speaker 1: full control. It's like when I always say when Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise made Top Gun, that was the birth of Tom Cruise,
Speaker 1: the movie stuff. He unlocked something in that kind of
Speaker 1: the cocky swagger he developed in that character, and then
Speaker 1: he took that to other roles, whether it was a
Speaker 1: few good men or roles like that. I reckon Boga
Speaker 1: unlocked something in this movie that he took to those
Speaker 1: other films, and by the time he does cassib blank,
Speaker 1: he's in full control of it and to the point
Speaker 1: where he knows he's cool and suave and always to
Speaker 1: the point where he barely smiles in Casablanca, and when
Speaker 1: he does, it's kind of a bit weird.
Speaker 4: So seeing in this one like half and smiles so.
Speaker 3: Much was grinning.
Speaker 5: He's probably grinning for the whole movie, especially like when
Speaker 5: the cops come around, he's always kind of laughing at
Speaker 5: them and they're all like, no, we're.
Speaker 3: Serious, you're in trouble, you got your murder, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 4: And he's I looked it up.
Speaker 1: He's five foot eight because he looks he looks like
Speaker 1: a small man like you see Tom Cruise on screen.
Speaker 4: He doesn't look you know.
Speaker 1: However they shoot him or or whoever they comes alongside,
Speaker 1: he doesn't look you know, he doesn't look at He
Speaker 1: doesn't particularly tall, but he feels the screen like I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if Bogart he's got presence. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he doesn't have presence, but he still looks like a
Speaker 1: meeting the small.
Speaker 3: Man because he's got a big head. His big head.
Speaker 5: He's got a big head, and the rest of his
Speaker 5: body is the same size as his head.
Speaker 1: Like you can imagine him getting his shoes at speeds,
Speaker 1: you know. Apparently they're bringing his own wardrobe. That's his wardrobe.
Speaker 1: That was Warner Brothers were basically, you know, to keep.
Speaker 3: The budget anything to fit you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to spend that on the on the the wardrobe
Speaker 1: for Sydney Green Street for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was that was true.
Speaker 1: They had to measure get his own tailor's for his
Speaker 1: own suits and also build his own chairs. And that
Speaker 1: we get to him. I want to stay on Bogut
Speaker 1: for a while. John Houston said that he goes. To
Speaker 1: be honest, he was he was off screen. He's actually
Speaker 1: quite an unremarkable man. But something happens when you put
Speaker 1: a camera and you you lights these once in the
Speaker 1: generation kind of actors. Something happens and they become they
Speaker 1: become almost giants, and they become very noble all of
Speaker 1: a sudden.
Speaker 4: And that was really interesting to hear.
Speaker 5: I've actually seen that happen on a set like I
Speaker 5: was watching when I was working with Christina Knew on Outland,
Speaker 5: which was a series of the ABC which I mentioned.
Speaker 4: On the air.
Speaker 1: I mentioned that in the intro and I loved that
Speaker 1: series congratulations that I cannot believe it hasn't of become
Speaker 1: I was watching a gun this is going to become
Speaker 1: a global hit. Ought to be remade. It will be remade.
Speaker 1: I know there were discussions that, Oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we've been through like ten or twelve
Speaker 5: different US producers that have all like, there's been pilot
Speaker 5: scripts made. Is it like Peter Dinkling was involved. But
Speaker 5: it's just it's you know, it's been around, but.
Speaker 4: Check out Outland and it's very cute.
Speaker 1: It's not on any petition you get to see your
Speaker 1: remake made or something or reboot.
Speaker 5: But doing a tenth anniversary reunion John Richards and I.
Speaker 5: It's the Bendigo Queer Film Festival this year, ten years
Speaker 5: since it was years.
Speaker 3: I know we've known each other for twenty five years.
Speaker 3: Let's not even go there.
Speaker 5: But yeah, no, I was like Christina knew like in person,
Speaker 5: lovely girl, like we've been chatting. And then I looked
Speaker 5: over at the monitor as the camera was filming a scene.
Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, that is a stunning performance. And it's
Speaker 5: like you don't see it with your eyes in person,
Speaker 5: but the camera just picked something up like and you're
Speaker 5: like some people just have it like some people just
Speaker 5: have this thing that the camera loves them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, Lisa mceoun's the same, you know, how
Speaker 1: to stay married, you know she and she's like she around.
Speaker 3: Sweet little thing and yeah, person, you're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: it's Lisa.
Speaker 1: Seriously, she's like the most enthusiastic person on set. She's
Speaker 1: straight out of film school. And then and she's helping
Speaker 1: people laut she's offering to help anyone's on that at least,
Speaker 1: you know this just you know, just relax, you're about
Speaker 1: to shoot a scene. She's offering people SCons and then
Speaker 1: she goes on screen and she just it's it's incredible
Speaker 1: what happens. It's what makes stars as opposed to you know,
Speaker 1: two actors and then nothing around being an actor.
Speaker 4: But but it is that star quality there wasn't.
Speaker 5: Justin Hanilton and I have talked about this a lot.
Speaker 5: You know, we go for these long walks around Centinial
Speaker 5: Park on a Saturday, and we're obsessed with leading men
Speaker 5: who are great character actors and shouldn't be leading men.
Speaker 5: Ryan Gosling's one, and so is Brad pet Like great
Speaker 5: character actors and they've got the looks to be leading men,
Speaker 5: but it's like they keep getting these roles and it's
Speaker 5: like they seem a bit lost in like, like I
Speaker 5: want I want, I want them in the support cast
Speaker 5: playing an amazing character because they're great character actors, like
Speaker 5: Gosling always seems a bit lost.
Speaker 3: In the lead.
Speaker 5: You're right, whereas and I think the only time I've
Speaker 5: ever seen Pitt b mythic as like a.
Speaker 3: Leading man was in the True Story of Jesse.
Speaker 5: James or whatever, the Ballad of you know, the one.
Speaker 4: Yeah James by the cal Roberts.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like he's amazing in that, but again it's not
Speaker 5: his film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also I mean that, but those films are
Speaker 1: written even though he's a leading man, it's still it's
Speaker 1: still a character piece, isn't it, Like yeah, like killing
Speaker 1: killing them softly? Was?
Speaker 4: I thought a similar thing. I thought he was great
Speaker 4: Yeah in that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm more I am pro brad pet But
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. But maybe it's about when
Speaker 1: he makes those you know, Troy's in tri is a
Speaker 1: long time ago, obviously, but maybe those kind of that
Speaker 1: are supposed to be the blockbuster films, you know, where
Speaker 1: he's almost doing it for that you know, we'll give
Speaker 1: the studio this one and then I'll get to do
Speaker 1: another two.
Speaker 3: Eric Eric Banner took that film and run away with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you would you.
Speaker 5: Barely notice brad Bit in that thing, Like it's I
Speaker 5: think he gets lost us. I think it's what that
Speaker 5: thing of. Like great character actors maybe don't have a
Speaker 5: personality of their own that they're really that they find
Speaker 5: really strong, whereas you know, like great stars like Tom Cruise.
Speaker 5: Sure he's the same in every movie, but he's compelling,
Speaker 5: like you just you can't take your eyes off him
Speaker 5: and you just want to watch him.
Speaker 1: I interviewed Tom Cruise this week and I said, you
Speaker 1: are just thinking about it? You know him before I
Speaker 1: interviewed him, Like he is the movie star of our generation.
Speaker 1: Like there's like name name a bigger movie star who's
Speaker 1: been constant, you know, he's done that body of work
Speaker 1: over that period of time in blockbusters, and we're talking
Speaker 1: about movie stars and Tom Cruise hasn't done like he's
Speaker 1: gone and done interesting films. But I think in the
Speaker 1: more recent years he's gone, No, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: be a movie star and I'm going to do it
Speaker 1: really well, and I'm going to actually, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what, Tom Cruise is into fan service, and
Speaker 1: fans love fan service.
Speaker 3: Fans love fans service.
Speaker 5: I mean, I got excited when I saw the trailer
Speaker 5: for Top Gun because I was like, Oh my god,
Speaker 5: Myles Teller's looking really hot with a mustache.
Speaker 3: Is that mustache?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's genetic, he's baby goos. I don't
Speaker 5: believe that mustache gets passed down from generation.
Speaker 4: A few things get passed down. I've seen it.
Speaker 1: I got to say, it was one of the most
Speaker 1: fun experiences I've had in the cinema in recent times.
Speaker 1: It's it's the combat scenes are better, the story is
Speaker 1: actually more powerful, and it's a better story. It's actually
Speaker 1: a better film than Top Gun. And it reminded me
Speaker 1: we are so used to watching the big Marvel blockbusters
Speaker 1: in cinemas now, and I enjoy a Marvel blockbuster. But
Speaker 1: it reminded me of like, you know, when we were
Speaker 1: watching films growing up at the eighties and the nineties,
Speaker 1: where where there were just films that were big films, films,
Speaker 1: but they weren't necessarily ip based on the previous stuff.
Speaker 5: And I, yeah, I kind of missed that I got.
Speaker 5: That's what I was excited about June when that came out.
Speaker 5: Also because I think Villain there's a great director. It's
Speaker 5: a really amazing vision. And I feel like June made
Speaker 5: a lot of Marvel movies look kind of hollow, like
Speaker 5: it made them look like the CGI spectacles they are,
Speaker 5: because there's a lot of CGI in June, but you
Speaker 5: would never really know like it looks like a film.
Speaker 5: And that's why I think I'm excited about going to
Speaker 5: see Top Gun because I've only seen the trailers, but
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, there's cameras in the planes. I love this,
Speaker 5: like actual cameras in actual planes.
Speaker 1: Danger Zone plays within the first thirty seconds.
Speaker 4: It's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they do move it on and it
Speaker 1: becomes its own, its own thing, and I think, I
Speaker 1: think I did it really well.
Speaker 4: But I'll be curious to know what you think.
Speaker 1: This also on geting about the Humphy Brogart he got,
Speaker 1: he's his fast paced delivery becomes really famous and becomes
Speaker 1: like the standard in film noir. But the way he speaks,
Speaker 1: so that's that's become synonymous with film no It was
Speaker 1: actually a studio note that was given to because as
Speaker 1: as you would have noticed, Adam, there there's so much
Speaker 1: exposition in this and we'll.
Speaker 3: Get there so much like did you did you like?
Speaker 1: And I watched it twice full disclosure, I watched it
Speaker 1: last week and watched it again last night, and I
Speaker 1: had I had two different reactions to it. The first one,
Speaker 1: I was quite underwhelmed. I have to say. I was like, oh, jeez,
Speaker 1: I don't even really understand this. And I undertand of yeah,
Speaker 1: you broadly understand it, but I don't really understand the
Speaker 1: motives behind a lot of these things. And they're talking
Speaker 1: so quickly and and there's so much going on, and uh.
Speaker 1: And then I was what I did. I did a
Speaker 1: little bit of, you know, reading up on I knew
Speaker 1: a bit about what the legacy of the film, but
Speaker 1: I also a bit about what the plot was, you know.
Speaker 5: How the plot it's you know, it's it's the ultimate mcguffin,
Speaker 5: like it's in the title and it means nothing.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and we should and we should.
Speaker 1: I'm not showing this in these podcasts and we you know,
Speaker 1: only nine episodes into this podcast, I'm not sure we've
Speaker 1: ever really spoken about mcguffin. So for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: mcguffin is often an object of desire in a movie
Speaker 1: that our characters are wanting that ultimately it doesn't really
Speaker 1: mean anything, it's not what the film's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you care about the characters into play in trying
Speaker 5: to get it or trying to stop other people getting
Speaker 5: or whatever that is. And yeah, the multi Falcon like
Speaker 5: for me, just was a driving force for all these
Speaker 5: great actors to do these incredible scenes with each other
Speaker 5: where they're just playing off, Like just moments with Sydney
Speaker 5: green Street and Peter Laurie, You're just like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: like you can see why suddenly they became this weird
Speaker 5: double act that did like another ten films together. Yeah,
Speaker 5: after this, like they're just so much fun. But the
Speaker 5: same like Bogey with everyone, Like anytime he walks into
Speaker 5: a room, it's like he's sparking off them. He's and
Speaker 5: you're like, I don't really even care about the plot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I enjoyed it much more the second time.
Speaker 1: Like I was saying before, I just let go a
Speaker 1: little bit. I thought, you know, because even even with
Speaker 1: modern films, I can go I'm not I'm not across
Speaker 1: every detail of this plot. But as long as I
Speaker 1: feel something.
Speaker 5: Because you haven't watched the fourteen episodes on Disney plus
Speaker 5: that lead.
Speaker 1: Up to it, I haven't seen now the seventeen films
Speaker 1: that Leader the Leader to it. Well, Funnily enough, I
Speaker 1: just I wrote down some of some of the great
Speaker 1: mcguffins you know in films. In the Infinity Stones is
Speaker 1: we have one of the more recently the Ring obviously
Speaker 1: in the Lord of the Ring, Private Ryan. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: can be a person, Yeah, Private Ryan's having Private Ryan
Speaker 1: dug great mcguffein in The Hangover, Colonel Kurtz and Apocalypse
Speaker 1: Now it would be a mcguffin and some objects.
Speaker 4: The Holy Grail has been done quite.
Speaker 1: A bit Monty Piety, the Vincy Code, a plant to
Speaker 1: the Death Star in Star Wars is in a mcguffin.
Speaker 3: They keep using that mcguffiny.
Speaker 4: They love it so much.
Speaker 1: Do we love it? Do we need any mcguffin. That's good,
Speaker 1: We're good.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do it.
Speaker 5: We're gonna do a prequel about the plants of the
Speaker 5: and how they got that.
Speaker 3: Handed them off.
Speaker 1: The rug in The Big Lebowski is also another great
Speaker 1: mcguffy and it comes to a term where Hitchcock basically
Speaker 1: invented it is based on a train scene they was
Speaker 1: shooting and there was a massive package and somebody else
Speaker 1: what was in uh what was in the package? And
Speaker 1: somebody said it's a mcguffin, which was like a Scottish
Speaker 1: Highland dog or something. And then Hitchcock terms you know,
Speaker 1: the terms that use the term mcguffin, and it becomes
Speaker 1: it becomes a thing.
Speaker 5: So yeah, like the it's like the suitcase by pulp fiction.
Speaker 5: In pulp fiction where you don't need to know what
Speaker 5: it is. No, Like that's the ultimate example of not
Speaker 5: needing to know what it is, Like light comes out
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you go.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's what they've all been kind of everything's kind
Speaker 5: of been circling around this object, but it doesn't actually matter.
Speaker 1: It's probably the exact reason why he actually said, yeah,
Speaker 1: well you actually Tarantina decided not to show it because
Speaker 1: he knows, he's steeped in cinema.
Speaker 4: He knows what a mcguffin is.
Speaker 1: No, No, and people'll talk about you know, we talk
Speaker 1: about it, we're still talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's but yeah, the multi falcon because even though
Speaker 5: you get that crawl at the start of the movie
Speaker 5: explaining what it is, and I was like, what is
Speaker 5: this here for? And I was like, oh, okay, well
Speaker 5: that must mean something, and then it never gets brought
Speaker 5: up until later, and then it's all explained again.
Speaker 3: It's like you just told me that in text at
Speaker 3: the start.
Speaker 1: I'll read it that in nineteen fifty nine, the night
Speaker 1: Templars of Malta paid Juby to Charles the Fifth Spain
Speaker 1: by sending him a gold golden falcon encrusted from big
Speaker 1: to claw with the rarest jewels. But pirates seize the
Speaker 1: galley carrying this priceless token, and the fate of the
Speaker 1: multi falcon remains a mystery to this day.
Speaker 5: I think that was fifteen ninety something, not nineteen fifteen nine,
Speaker 5: fifteen after the film is made, fifteen thirty nine is
Speaker 5: cut up at fifteen thirty nine, I.
Speaker 1: Believe it was. And apparently they're there like it was
Speaker 1: based on some kind of thing. I think, like Hollywood,
Speaker 1: they got a little bit of you know, they took
Speaker 1: some liberties. Oh they always do, but yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: so the first scene of this, we kind of start
Speaker 1: at Spade and Archer, and we won't go obviously through
Speaker 1: everything chronologically, but a little start at the start. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a few things that jumped out at me. Adam One,
Speaker 1: he the receptionist comes in and says, you want to
Speaker 1: see this as a woman.
Speaker 4: You want to see she's a real knockout.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was kind of.
Speaker 1: Expecting, you know, a Marilyn Monroe tart to come through
Speaker 1: that door.
Speaker 5: I know. It's the forties, like it's this is in
Speaker 5: the middle of the war, and women were you know,
Speaker 5: like this is the era of Mildred ps. This is
Speaker 5: the era of strong female characters. So it was not
Speaker 5: about like the sex simple thing didn't start until post
Speaker 5: war when all the men came back and the women
Speaker 5: had to leave their jobs that they were doing. So
Speaker 5: this was a time when women were working like women
Speaker 5: were not. This was not a time for glamour. This
Speaker 5: was a time for a business. So yeah, it's I know,
Speaker 5: and mary Asta is kind of I'm understated, which is weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's so good I think through this and
Speaker 1: she I liked that she was open with her with
Speaker 1: her lying you know, she let's let's play a scene
Speaker 1: actually where it's asking Sam for some help.
Speaker 6: I will later when I can. You've got to trust me,
Speaker 6: mister Spade. Oh I'm so alone, afraid I've got nobody
Speaker 6: to help me. If you won't help me, be generous,
Speaker 6: mister Spade. You're brave, you're strong. You can spare me
Speaker 6: some of that courage and strength. Surely help me, mister Spade.
Speaker 6: I need help so badly. I'm no right to ask you.
Speaker 6: I know I haven't, but I do ask you help me.
Speaker 2: You won't need much of anybody's health. You're good.
Speaker 7: It's chiefly your eyes, I think, in that throb you
Speaker 7: get in your voice when you say things like be generous,
Speaker 7: mister Spade.
Speaker 2: I deserve that.
Speaker 6: But the lie was in the way I said it,
Speaker 6: not at all, and what I said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's It was really cool. Actually, that was
Speaker 1: one of the first moments where I was like, ah, cool,
Speaker 1: this is yeah, this is is a bit more going
Speaker 1: on here.
Speaker 5: Do you know what I loved was this so many
Speaker 5: reveals throughout the whole film, Like I felt like, you know,
Speaker 5: if they made this now, it'll be ten episodes on HBO,
Speaker 5: and each little reveal would be the end of an episode,
Speaker 5: Like you know when when the dead partner's wife comes
Speaker 5: in and they kiss. It'd be like, oh, gotta wait
Speaker 5: till next week to find out what happens next. Now,
Speaker 5: whereas that's like ten minutes into the film. Yeah, like
Speaker 5: he gets knocked off, they're having an affair.
Speaker 3: It's like, this is fairly started.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to say that Archer got knocked
Speaker 1: off unceremoniously.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not just that, but like you know, Sam gets
Speaker 5: back to the office and he's like, change all the signs.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I need the signs repainted by Monday.
Speaker 1: That was a harsh detail, I know.
Speaker 3: And you're like, why did that?
Speaker 5: And then he kisses the wife and you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: he didn't like his partner at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was quite like I'm sure you felt
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: It was almost quite jarring to me that he just
Speaker 1: gave zero fus about his partner, even if he didn't
Speaker 1: get along and.
Speaker 4: They seem to get along.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let's face it, Archer was a sleazy Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was gross the way he was. He was fawning
Speaker 1: over her. He literally checks her ass on the way out.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's it's cartoony or how how
Speaker 1: full on he is. But I guess, I guess maybe
Speaker 1: they don't really want us to invest too much in Archer.
Speaker 1: They don't want us to feel, you know, the weight
Speaker 1: of his death in a way, because we like, there's
Speaker 1: no effort made based on how unlikeably he is in
Speaker 1: life and then how uick his death is.
Speaker 5: I think also like because you know, like Sam is
Speaker 5: twigging that this woman is not telling the truth entirely,
Speaker 5: like that there's something going on. So it feels like,
Speaker 5: you know, ordinarily probably would have investigated himself, but it
Speaker 5: feels like he sends miles out there almost knowing that
Speaker 5: he's going to die, like knowing that this is a
Speaker 5: shit situation, and it's like, well, you know, we've agreed
Speaker 5: to take on the case, and I don't want to
Speaker 5: be the dead one. So it's almost like he's one
Speaker 5: because it feels like for the whole movie, he's always
Speaker 5: one step ahead of everyone else. Yeah, and maybe that's
Speaker 5: one more moment of him just being I'm pretty sure
Speaker 5: no one's coming back from this little meeting.
Speaker 1: So when Sam's often saying, you know, like he says
Speaker 1: later on, I knew you were lying. That's why, you know,
Speaker 1: I did this, and the often says yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's he calls people out, and do you think
Speaker 1: he he's on the money each time he is there
Speaker 1: a bit of bravado. I mean, what do you think,
Speaker 1: like when he said, I took your two hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: you know that's what I believed in. I believed in
Speaker 1: your two hundred dollars, not your case. Do you think
Speaker 1: he's always being honest as far as like alwaysy in
Speaker 1: hindsight kind of you know, saying no, I knew you
Speaker 1: were you went on the money, so I took your money.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think I think yeah, I think he kind of
Speaker 5: knows all the way along, like he and like the
Speaker 5: I think sending sending his partner, like I think he
Speaker 5: knows the whole time that she's been the murderer, like
Speaker 5: from the beginning, like it's like, well, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to go because I'm going to get killed, I'll send
Speaker 5: this guy. And the fact that there's no remorse afterwards,
Speaker 5: You're like, he doesn't have that moment of oh, I
Speaker 5: feel terrible that I sent him on this job and
Speaker 5: he died.
Speaker 1: Like when he gets he gets a phone call and
Speaker 1: there's no there's I mean, I think phone acting has
Speaker 1: come a long way.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's a lot of repeating what's that you say?
Speaker 1: His dad, my partner, some of the shouting in the phones,
Speaker 1: and there's there's no way there's anyone on the other
Speaker 1: end making any kind of sense outside.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I reckon he's kind of one step ahead
Speaker 5: the entire time, and he's just sort of like, nah, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's not a film that puts you on its back
Speaker 1: and says, you know, we've got you. It moves ahead
Speaker 1: so quickly. That's why I had to kind of look up,
Speaker 1: and I think these films at this age, they do
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of exposition, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: there's a lot of talking instead of showing, which you know,
Speaker 1: styles of change where you you know, you're encouraged to
Speaker 1: show more than you tell and and you know it's
Speaker 1: got to do budget and you know what we can achieve,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: I think also, you know, filmmaking.
Speaker 5: For a large part still back then was based on
Speaker 5: a theatrical model, like you know, yep, drama had come
Speaker 5: from the theater and films had you know, only been
Speaker 5: around what thirty forty years like, so it was still
Speaker 5: kind of finding it's as a visual medium, and Houston
Speaker 5: tries in a few moments like you know that that
Speaker 5: burning boat sequence does not need to be there, but
Speaker 5: he's like, ah, we need something visual to happen here,
Speaker 5: Like people have been standing around in rooms for the
Speaker 5: last half an hour. Let's give let's give people something
Speaker 5: to look at. It's like it's the most pointless scene ever,
Speaker 5: but it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And even later on when when Goodman kind of
Speaker 1: says will Will probably accidentally drops some matches to the
Speaker 1: it wasn't even like a you know, it wasn't a
Speaker 1: strategic ploy, you know, it was he probably he's looking
Speaker 1: around the time to go get the felcon and he's
Speaker 1: pretty colms. He probably dropped some matches and yeah, then
Speaker 1: we had this fire. But you're right, that probably would
Speaker 1: have been Okay, we need something here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because the little the little chase sequence is great
Speaker 5: when he goes to the theater and then being followed
Speaker 5: and goes around the corner and goes up in the building,
Speaker 5: like that's kind of like a little fun moment, which
Speaker 5: reminded me of a very slow version of that scene
Speaker 5: in seven where they they almost catch up with John
Speaker 5: Doe and then run through all the corridors and stuff.
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, it's just like that, but in
Speaker 3: reverse and slow.
Speaker 1: And very very slow. I did love speaking of the
Speaker 1: boat when the man who comes in with the falcon
Speaker 1: from the boat disrupting newspaper.
Speaker 3: And it's from Hong Kong.
Speaker 1: Exotic, yes, very exotic, and the I mean it's almost
Speaker 1: become the trope now, you know in the in these
Speaker 1: films of that person who's just like just lunging, must
Speaker 1: get this baggage to you and then dies.
Speaker 3: I've been shot, but I've come up four flights of.
Speaker 1: I caught a tram from the from the boat. I've
Speaker 1: been shot six times carrying a very heavy maultice falcon.
Speaker 1: And that that was actually played by a special cameo
Speaker 1: by Walter Houston, John Houston's dad, who was a well
Speaker 1: regarded working actor and very well known, and he had
Speaker 1: to he said, happy to do as a cameo, as
Speaker 1: a you know, as a favorite to my son, and
Speaker 1: Jack Warner at Warner Brothers had him sign something saying,
Speaker 1: you will not ask for any money down the track.
Speaker 1: You won't god, you know, because we've got humbry bog
Speaker 1: bringing his own wardrobe, and we can't. We can't.
Speaker 4: We've got cookmen.
Speaker 1: We have to dress chairs, to build, to be reinforced.
Speaker 3: Look at this multie falcon that's meant to be covered
Speaker 3: in jewels.
Speaker 4: So let's let's talk about Joel Cairo.
Speaker 5: Lorry just having so much fun, just being kind of
Speaker 5: nasty and underhand, and I mean it was. It became
Speaker 5: a terrible trope in cinema that if you had a
Speaker 5: weird accent, you must be a bad guy.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And they don't identify anybody as homosexual. No,
Speaker 1: But in the book, what Kira definitely is and Goodman
Speaker 1: and Wilman, we'll get there those two soon are all.
Speaker 1: But there's quite obvious cues given even the score. When
Speaker 1: Cairo kind of enters, he's very light and whimsy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then the way he plays with his cane is
Speaker 1: kind of kind of slightly weird, and it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's borderline offensive.
Speaker 4: That's how easily Kira gets disarmed.
Speaker 3: Oh, to the point.
Speaker 1: Where he puts his hand behind his head. Then he
Speaker 1: kind of slaps the gun away, and then he grabs
Speaker 1: his hand I think while he's still smoking and makes
Speaker 1: him punch himself. It's like, it's like your older brother, go,
Speaker 1: why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself?
Speaker 1: Why are you hitting yourself?
Speaker 3: So silly?
Speaker 5: That did have mean there's so much in this film
Speaker 5: that I wasn't expecting, Like I didn't expect this as
Speaker 5: much comedy as there is, I wasn't expected to be
Speaker 5: as funny as it is.
Speaker 1: At the end of that scene when he's been beaten
Speaker 1: up by his own hand and he's passed out, then
Speaker 1: he's come back. They're getting it. They're kind of getting along.
Speaker 1: There's kind of on a code amongst you know, shady types,
Speaker 1: I guess. And then right at the end, he gets
Speaker 1: his gun back and he goes, put your hands up,
Speaker 1: I'm going to search this room, and Burger just cracks
Speaker 1: up laughing. I thought, I thought that was great because.
Speaker 5: It's like, I've just been through all this to get
Speaker 5: out of this moment and now we're doing it again.
Speaker 4: And lot of his business card smells of gardenias as well.
Speaker 5: I know that was the big I think there might
Speaker 5: be a homosexual in the front office.
Speaker 3: He smells of garden It was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the business guard had to smell of gardenias or
Speaker 1: ladder Rosemary.
Speaker 3: We can't say homosexual, but we can't say garden.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: One thing they did do. Samsbag uses a word called gunsel.
Speaker 1: He is three times in reference to Wilma, the hitman
Speaker 1: who works for Casper.
Speaker 3: One who's following him quite obviously.
Speaker 1: Obviously following him in a jacket. That he's waiting big
Speaker 1: for him, and you'll pay the price for that. At
Speaker 1: some point he looks like she would be in an
Speaker 1: eighties video clip. It's a very big standing standing in
Speaker 1: a in a tip with a.
Speaker 3: Bin on fire, some Venetian blinds.
Speaker 1: And Hamitt apparently uses that word in his novel, not
Speaker 1: only after he's out of objected to the word being
Speaker 1: he first used, which is catamite, a term which I
Speaker 1: wasn't aware of it. It's used as a young man
Speaker 1: kept kept by an older man for sexual purposes.
Speaker 5: Oh so what we would call now a nephew.
Speaker 3: Or boy? Wonder? This is Robin my guns.
Speaker 1: I knew it was going to be an education today,
Speaker 1: Adam so so well. Hammett's novel identified Cairo as a
Speaker 1: homosexual and hinted at it. For Wilmer and Goodman, the
Speaker 1: term was considered too explicit so Hammitt replaced replaced it
Speaker 1: with gunsel, which is editor assumed meant gunslinger, so it
Speaker 1: kind of got through.
Speaker 4: But it doesn't mean that Gunsel is a.
Speaker 1: Yiddish word which which means it a little goose, and
Speaker 1: was passed along in American culture. But it was merely
Speaker 1: a synonym for catamite, right, So it just meant the
Speaker 1: same thing, the same thing. It meant the same thing
Speaker 1: that they got around they found a little loophole.
Speaker 3: So he's essentially calling him a bum chum.
Speaker 1: They do when they do the Maltese Felcon remade, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were at some point, Yes, we were,
Speaker 1: just bring up the term bumb chump.
Speaker 4: What do I feel like?
Speaker 1: I'm back in the school yards of Parade College paid,
Speaker 1: So did you did you feel Actually, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Caspar Goodman before I asked you this question. The fat
Speaker 1: Man a turn that actually then gets adopted by the
Speaker 1: makers of the Hiroshima Russima bombs.
Speaker 4: It's a little Boy and fat Man.
Speaker 3: I know which Mitch could could be Wilma and Goodman.
Speaker 1: Well, some people think little Boy does refer to Wilma,
Speaker 1: but apparently it doesn't. But you're absolutely right and this
Speaker 1: was Sydney green Street's first film role. He'd been acting
Speaker 1: in theater and I think in London for forty years
Speaker 1: and he's very nervous and he took his role on
Speaker 1: end up doing like another twenty four movies after this
Speaker 1: before retiring. He does enter. It's a big entrance because
Speaker 1: obviously he's a big man, but also.
Speaker 4: One of the weirder handshakes. I'm not sure you've noticed,
Speaker 4: but he shakes.
Speaker 1: He shakes Sam's hand and then holds it until they
Speaker 1: move from the door all the way to the counts
Speaker 1: whilst holding that hand with both hands. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a move.
Speaker 3: It feels very Trumpian.
Speaker 5: Its weird Trump handshakes where it's like yeah, and now
Speaker 5: here comes the other hand, why are you doing that?
Speaker 1: Or really any politician really were having their photo taken it,
Speaker 1: you know, one of those big choggham or whatever they
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so and then he has a way
Speaker 1: of talking as well. He's very kind of I like
Speaker 1: a man who drinks another man who drinks too much.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a very in fact, let's have a
Speaker 1: bit of a listen to kasperguir Is your.
Speaker 7: Impression, Oh, it's not very much to go by. Carol
Speaker 7: didn't say he didn't. He didn't say didn't. She said
Speaker 7: she didn't. But I took it for granted she was lying.
Speaker 8: Not an injudicious thing to do if they don't know,
Speaker 8: I'm the only one in the whole white sweet Where
Speaker 8: do swell?
Speaker 2: When you told me? That'll make two of.
Speaker 8: Us mathematically correct her? But I don't know for certain
Speaker 8: that I'm going to tell you, or.
Speaker 2: It'll be foolish. You know what it is? I know
Speaker 2: where it is. That's why I'm here.
Speaker 8: Where is it? Where is it?
Speaker 2: You see?
Speaker 8: I mistated what I know, But you won't tell me
Speaker 8: what you know?
Speaker 2: So how the air could it? Was? No?
Speaker 8: No, I don't think we can do business along those lines.
Speaker 7: I'll think again, and think fast. I told that guns
Speaker 7: of yours. You'll have to talk to me before you through.
Speaker 7: I'm telling you now, you'll talk to me today or
Speaker 7: you're at What are you wasting my time for? I
Speaker 7: can get along without you and another thing. Take that
Speaker 7: gunsil out of my way while you're making up your mind.
Speaker 2: I'll kill them.
Speaker 8: If you don't, I'll kill him where sir, I must say,
Speaker 8: you have a most violent temper take it over.
Speaker 7: You've got till five o'clock and you're either in or out.
Speaker 1: Okay, So as you referred to before.
Speaker 4: Then he leaves and he has a good old chuckle.
Speaker 5: Good old chuckle after that, which I love. He's done
Speaker 5: the full El Patito and then gone dad, just kidding.
Speaker 1: You may have touched on it earlier, but did you
Speaker 1: believe that Samuel Spade was at some point in love
Speaker 1: with bridget o'sceannessy.
Speaker 3: I think he, you know, would have had a crack.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he sapt with everyone, I think, but.
Speaker 3: I don't know that he was necessarily in love.
Speaker 5: I think it was one of those you know, in
Speaker 5: another place, another time, which was a very bogy thing
Speaker 5: that became almost his trademark of like, oh, if only
Speaker 5: we'd met at a different time, this could have been
Speaker 5: something kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you.
Speaker 5: Know the African Queen that's like, oh, if only you
Speaker 5: know we were different people at different places.
Speaker 3: Like it's it's yeah, I think that. I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's weird to see how many of the tropes of
Speaker 5: his career have started in this film, Like you know,
Speaker 5: oh that one that's yeah, that's obviously a moment that
Speaker 5: that kind of keeps going on because you know, next
Speaker 5: thing is in Grid Bergman and it's like, ah, we'll
Speaker 5: always have Paris.
Speaker 1: Well, it's really interesting when we see these older films
Speaker 1: and we're so used to a bit more work being done,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of connecting the two characters, like when
Speaker 1: they fall in love, even if it's as simple as
Speaker 1: you know, a slight push in with the camera with
Speaker 1: some score going over when they see each other for
Speaker 1: the first time.
Speaker 4: We don't get any of that here really, and so
Speaker 4: it's hard to know.
Speaker 1: And I think it's part of the joy of the
Speaker 1: film in a way that we don't know, like you know,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't know. And I mean it's good that we
Speaker 1: can discuss it because because the first time I watched it, yeah,
Speaker 1: I assumed he knew exactly what was happening the whole
Speaker 1: way through. And then the second time I watched it,
Speaker 1: I felt his heartbreak a bit more than I did
Speaker 1: when I first when I first saw it. Well, there
Speaker 1: is that scene in the Enemy we can play now
Speaker 1: when he talks about the detective business and and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, we spoke about how he didn't give any
Speaker 1: zero fox when we had to die. You know he
Speaker 1: shows and you know every character needs an arc and
Speaker 1: a journey to go on. And maybe Sam he shows
Speaker 1: that maybe he wasn't exactly at zero.
Speaker 2: Fox, Listen, this won't do any good.
Speaker 7: You'll never understand me, but I'll try once and then
Speaker 7: give it up. Well, a man's partner's killed, he's supposed
Speaker 7: to do something about it. It doesn't make any difference
Speaker 7: what you thought of. And he was your partner, and
Speaker 7: you're supposed to do something about it. And it happens
Speaker 7: where in the detective business, Oh, one of your organizations
Speaker 7: gets killed. It it's bad business to let the killer
Speaker 7: get away with it, bed all around, bad for every
Speaker 7: detective everywhere.
Speaker 3: Expect me to think of the things you're saying.
Speaker 4: It special reason for me.
Speaker 7: Wait till i'm true, then you can talk. I have
Speaker 7: no worthly reason to think I can trust you. And
Speaker 7: if I do this and get away with it, you'll
Speaker 7: have something on me that you can use whenever you
Speaker 7: want to. Since I've got something on you, I couldn't
Speaker 7: be sure that you wouldn't put a hole in me.
Speaker 2: Someday all those are on one side.
Speaker 7: Maybe some of them are unimportant that I want to
Speaker 7: argue about that, but look at the number of them.
Speaker 2: What have we got on the other side. All we've
Speaker 2: got is that maybe you love me, and maybe I
Speaker 2: love you.
Speaker 6: You know, whether you love me or not.
Speaker 2: Maybe I do.
Speaker 7: We'll have some rotten nights after I've sent you over,
Speaker 7: but that'll pass.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I mean listening to that back even now,
Speaker 1: I think he does for for her. I think he's
Speaker 1: and this becomes a film noir thing. It's like the
Speaker 1: protagonist who has to resist the temptations of the film fertile,
Speaker 1: and I think that's him being torn as he's deciding
Speaker 1: he knows. I think now, you know, he certainly knows
Speaker 1: that she was responsible, but he's worked it out and
Speaker 1: he's still giving her this quite gracious, even though he's saying,
Speaker 1: you speak when when I'm finished.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, I'll get over in a couple of days.
Speaker 1: There'll be a few bad nights, but you know.
Speaker 5: But also like, I love that it kind of goes
Speaker 5: to the his moral core. It's like, yes, I do
Speaker 5: want to, but you know I have you know, I
Speaker 5: want to be in love with you, but I can't
Speaker 5: because I've got to hand you over to the police.
Speaker 5: Because yeah, you're the bad guy. Also because they think
Speaker 5: I'm in the frame for him.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's him self interest being served here, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're right, And I think that's also a big
Speaker 1: feel no our thing. It's like the anti hero that
Speaker 1: has its own moral code. I think that's really strong here. Also,
Speaker 1: you know Mary Asta doesn't necessarily play the fem fertille
Speaker 1: the way fem fertiales end up like she's not. And
Speaker 1: it's what you were saying earlier about the time, the
Speaker 1: time and place and post.
Speaker 5: Wars, we certainly, yeah, get more ful, like in what's
Speaker 5: the awestin Wells One like you from Shahai, Yeah, like
Speaker 5: it becomes much more full on. It's like, you know,
Speaker 5: sex is being used quite brazenly, whereas she's kind of
Speaker 5: trying to turn on.
Speaker 3: Sort of like.
Speaker 5: What's the word I'm looking for. I don't want to
Speaker 5: say frailty, but you know.
Speaker 1: Well she's putting on it's a performative vulnerability, like she's
Speaker 1: trying to pretend to be vulnerable even though she's clearly not.
Speaker 1: When she said earlier you're brave, you're strong, she's she's
Speaker 1: actually quite brave and strong to be existing in this
Speaker 1: in this world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a weird, Like it feels weird that she's
Speaker 5: kind of gone to drag him into it, Like I
Speaker 5: know that the way she comes in, she's gorgeous and
Speaker 5: you know you're gonna love her and fall in love
Speaker 5: with her, like that's the whole This is the first
Speaker 5: time we've seen that happen with the detective is like,
Speaker 5: oh no, she's beautiful and I better follow a story
Speaker 5: and it's like, oh no, I mean lots of terrible trouble,
Speaker 5: which always happens in these things, but I love that
Speaker 5: he's always just a little bit, you know, just outside
Speaker 5: of it, like the stories almost happening without him involving himself,
Speaker 5: Like he just sort of seems to get sort of
Speaker 5: trapped in it by her.
Speaker 3: For whatever reason.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like it's like, yeah, it's really strange, like the
Speaker 5: way he gets dragged into it, and he would be
Speaker 5: completely within his rights to go nah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also you know, thinking about it afterwards. The
Speaker 1: multie Felcon really, I mean, the movie's really about how
Speaker 1: myths can manipulate and hold this power over people. And
Speaker 1: I think and say, you know, like this this the
Speaker 1: Maltese Falcon is seen as this thing of great beauty
Speaker 1: that there's actually if you scratch away, it actually kind
Speaker 1: of reveals itself to be fake. And I think nothing
Speaker 1: there and I think that's what Bridgidae chaneasy is.
Speaker 4: And she's tended bogie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Samuel Spade with the performance, she's actually and if
Speaker 1: you scratch away enough, yeah, it all falls away.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's such a great metaphor. I love it.
Speaker 4: You only get that. Watch it twice.
Speaker 3: I do. I do love you know what else? I love.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 5: At the end of it, she's gone off to jail obviously,
Speaker 5: but the others are like, oh, well, we're gonna go
Speaker 5: and see if we can find it.
Speaker 4: They're gonna we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna go on the hunt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're gonna only condic you to it.
Speaker 1: They're gone Eastabul, he's got Istabul.
Speaker 4: It's over twenty eighths.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's just like you go, oh, this is
Speaker 5: just like a like in the story of the Maltese Falcon,
Speaker 5: this has just been a little blip, like this is
Speaker 5: just you know, it's almost like you could write a
Speaker 5: whole bunch of other stories about the Maltese falcon.
Speaker 3: You could have you know, the story.
Speaker 5: Of the of the first guy getting it, then you
Speaker 5: can have the story of the pirates who stole it,
Speaker 5: and then you've got a story later on. Like it's
Speaker 5: just this, this endless mcguffin that goes through a bunch
Speaker 5: of different stories. This is just one little blip and
Speaker 5: it literally never even was involved in this story, Like
Speaker 5: it was never part.
Speaker 1: Of it, the actual multice fealcon It's a true mcguffin.
Speaker 1: The conversations I have at the end about the fall
Speaker 1: guy and they try to Wilma and who gives you know,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't have a whole lot to do in
Speaker 1: this movie. But I have to say the scene where
Speaker 1: he's kind of basically looking down and tears are welling
Speaker 1: in his eyes.
Speaker 4: He's seen a lot.
Speaker 1: You see a lot of misty eyed actresses from that era,
Speaker 1: but very, very rarely do you see it coming from
Speaker 1: a man. I'm not saying that never happens, but we
Speaker 1: are used to seeing it more from women. Let's have
Speaker 1: a listen to Gunsel considering the idea of using Wilma
Speaker 1: as the fall guy.
Speaker 8: That you're not quite evil to him.
Speaker 7: I'm in this up to my neck that when I've
Speaker 7: got to find somebody a victim when the time comes.
Speaker 2: If I don't, I'll be it.
Speaker 7: Let's give him the gunzo he actually did shoot Thursby
Speaker 7: and Jacoby didn't. He anyways made the order for the part.
Speaker 7: Look at him. Let's give him to them.
Speaker 3: By gad.
Speaker 2: So you are a character that you are.
Speaker 8: There's never any telling what you will say or do next,
Speaker 8: except that it's bound to be something astonished.
Speaker 2: Why it's our.
Speaker 7: Best bet with him in their hands the police.
Speaker 3: Right, dear man.
Speaker 8: Can't you see that if I even for a moment
Speaker 8: thought of doing such a thing, that's ridiculous. If your
Speaker 8: thoughts will me here just exactly as if you were
Speaker 8: my own son. Really I do. But if I even
Speaker 8: for a moment thought of doing what you propose, what
Speaker 8: in the world would keep Wilmer from telling the police
Speaker 8: every last detail about the folk and at all let
Speaker 8: him talk.
Speaker 2: His head off. I'll guarantee you nobody will do anything
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: Well, Well, what do you think of this woman? Mighty funny?
Speaker 1: Might be funny, it's it's i mean, pretty green streets,
Speaker 1: so good that the cast is all They're all really hard.
Speaker 3: I think everyone is.
Speaker 5: Everyone is amazing, even even the kid playing Wilma is,
Speaker 5: you know, turning it on and that moment, like the crying,
Speaker 5: You're just like, oh, he knows that that's it, like
Speaker 5: his his time is up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he you know, I imagine he fed to
Speaker 1: the wolves. Yeah, I imagine he's been. He's been you know,
Speaker 1: cared for by by Goodman. However you want to interpret that.
Speaker 1: But I imagine he loves him like I I in
Speaker 1: my head he's in love with with Godman because he's
Speaker 1: living this life and he's felt cared for, Yeah, to
Speaker 1: be to be tossed aside like that, and he says.
Speaker 1: Goodman says, you know, you're like a son to me,
Speaker 1: but I can always have another son. There's only one
Speaker 1: Maltese falcon, Yeah, rutal.
Speaker 3: It's pretty full on.
Speaker 1: And that whole I think that scene, I mean, that
Speaker 1: whole last scene.
Speaker 5: Made me think of Omar in the wire and his
Speaker 5: procession of boyfriends who all get kind of yeah, thrown
Speaker 5: on the wind.
Speaker 4: We loved so much. We almost called our third child Omar.
Speaker 1: We thought, you know, drug dealing vigilantes, what we.
Speaker 4: Were going for.
Speaker 5: I love that that was a serious discussion was.
Speaker 3: Coming down the stairs.
Speaker 1: Mary asked, is so good, and and then I just
Speaker 1: wanted to point out that she very well known in
Speaker 1: the in she was a child actress, had grown up,
Speaker 1: had become a bit of a fighter for the gossip.
Speaker 1: Mags was actually having the fair with John Houston while
Speaker 1: this film was being Oh Wow was being made, and
Speaker 1: she she had an unfortunate incident where there was a
Speaker 1: custody battle going on with her and her ex husband
Speaker 1: and they read out her diary, which contained like quite
Speaker 1: detailed sex. Her sexual exploits were read out and became
Speaker 1: quite a thing. So it'd be interesting when you when
Speaker 1: you saw this in nineteen forty one, you'd be knowing
Speaker 1: who asked to as much as we see, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I commented earlier that I was expecting to
Speaker 1: see more of a bombshell, But they would have had
Speaker 1: a different kind of yeah, subconscious kind of take on
Speaker 1: it being Mary Aster walking through that door.
Speaker 5: And so I guess there would have been that idea
Speaker 5: of like, oh, yeah, no, she's she's a liar, because
Speaker 5: I've you know, she seemed like better wooden melt in
Speaker 5: her mouth, but I've heard about her diary entries. Yeah,
Speaker 5: It's like it's like when they're first cast Robert Danny Jr.
Speaker 3: As Iron Man.
Speaker 5: I thought, oh, this is genius because in the comics
Speaker 5: he's an alcoholic, like he's, you know, got this terrible
Speaker 5: drinking problem. And you know that's obviously the road they're
Speaker 5: going to take, because we all know Robert Danny Junr.
Speaker 5: From throwing imaginary rats out of his car when he's
Speaker 5: off his face, like smoking ice and going to Disneyland,
Speaker 5: and that's what I thought they were going for. And
Speaker 5: then they never ran with that storyline in any of
Speaker 5: the Marvel films, and I was like, well, that's wind.
Speaker 5: That's also why I think we believe Elizabeth Moss in
Speaker 5: any film where she is kind of being held hostage,
Speaker 5: like The Handmaid's Tale of the Invisible Man, because it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: of course she's a sign.
Speaker 1: Oh they're coming after you, that your phone, your phone
Speaker 1: will be tapped by a time we hear Adam Richard.
Speaker 3: I've said plenty worse than that thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, I know, I know that's better scratching
Speaker 1: the surface. There was talk of a sequel being made.
Speaker 1: The author wanted five thousand dollars, just eighty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in the modern day, so they went at that Peter
Speaker 1: green Street wins the so win the Oscar gets nominated
Speaker 1: for the Oscar. In this it doesn't, the movie doesn't
Speaker 1: win the Oscar. How Green is My Valley wins the Oscar.
Speaker 1: I would argue that potentially this is a better film,
Speaker 1: But there's also is a ninety to forty two Oscars
Speaker 1: obviously the year after, but Citizen Kane also and loses
Speaker 1: only wins only wins an Oscar for the screenplay.
Speaker 5: Now, I think the reason How Green is My Valley
Speaker 5: ran away with the Oscars that year is because like
Speaker 5: it's this like the start of America joining the war,
Speaker 5: Like it's you know, yeah, it is. It is a
Speaker 5: it's it's like, let's vote for something that's nice and
Speaker 5: pastoral and that is, you know, nothing like anything that's
Speaker 5: going on.
Speaker 3: In the world.
Speaker 5: Whereas Caine and the Falcon dark films with you know,
Speaker 5: dark motives and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're absolutely right, like this this does represent
Speaker 1: a new kind of filmmaking. And we've mentioned a couple
Speaker 1: of times, is it like the birth of film noir.
Speaker 1: So it sort of felt like Donny Darko or something.
Speaker 1: Back then it sort of felt like something so you know,
Speaker 1: dark and strange and you know a little bit scary
Speaker 1: in a way.
Speaker 5: Or even pulp fiction like it would have been like
Speaker 5: just a complete change of paints.
Speaker 3: It's like, what is this crazy movie?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everything was so bright and and you know, glamorous,
Speaker 1: and so this was a shock and so you know,
Speaker 1: knowing that, you kind of go, yeah, well maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it takes the Oscars, you know, the Academy Awards
Speaker 1: a while to catch up with film trends. So before
Speaker 1: we finished, let's have a listen to the final couple
Speaker 1: of words, which are iconic spoken by the great Humphrey. Breakup.
Speaker 2: There's another one for you.
Speaker 7: She killed Myles, and I've got some exhibits, boys, guns,
Speaker 7: one of Cairo's, a thousand dollars bill I was supposed
Speaker 7: to be bribed with.
Speaker 2: And this black statuette here that all the fuss was about.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of it.
Speaker 7: The little playmate, he looked broken, hided now, but when
Speaker 7: he heard Gutman story, he thought he had me got
Speaker 7: it out. So well, should we be getting down to
Speaker 7: the hall, Perry, what is it the stuff that dreams
Speaker 7: are made of?
Speaker 1: Huh? And then she gets taken down the elevated he
Speaker 1: walks down the stairs.
Speaker 4: Nobody wins.
Speaker 1: But the stuff dreams are made out of, Like this
Speaker 1: was it's paraphrase from The Tempest, I think Shakespeare, But
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things we say now, the
Speaker 1: stuff dreams are made out of. It's like Rove mentioned
Speaker 1: and gone with the wind when Vivian Lee says, you know,
Speaker 1: tomorrow is another day, and that was like that was
Speaker 1: a scene as a very new kind of poetic thought,
Speaker 1: and this is something we use day to day now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's quite incredible to see, like the birth of it.
Speaker 5: And I love I love that it's got two meanings.
Speaker 5: It's like it means the you know, if you found
Speaker 5: the real multice falcon covered in jewels, it's like it's
Speaker 5: worth so much. It's you know, that's the stuff that
Speaker 5: dreams are made of. But also this woman and that
Speaker 5: he obviously thought he could have had something with even
Speaker 5: though he was borried she was gonna shoot him one day.
Speaker 5: Like she's the stuff dreams and made out of. So
Speaker 5: it's yeah, it's a really great final line. Yeah, if
Speaker 5: we don't really get those much anymore. Final lines and
Speaker 5: movies now it's usually a final image or a final
Speaker 5: or you know, some ridiculous after credit sequence of Bruce
Speaker 5: Campbell punching himself in the face, or it's you know,
Speaker 5: it's something like, we don't get those, you know, classic
Speaker 5: moments at the end of a film where you go, oh,
Speaker 5: that's that's kind of a punch to.
Speaker 3: The gut a little Yeah.
Speaker 5: You on television a lot, Yeah, but in cinema now
Speaker 5: it seems it needs to be a big thing that
Speaker 5: happens at the end.
Speaker 1: Oh, there is a great line like that they tend
Speaker 1: to then it'll be another two minutes of imagery, like
Speaker 1: you say, of a character then driving away, you know,
Speaker 1: and that could be beautiful.
Speaker 4: Then that can absolutely work.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is interesting that we don't have those
Speaker 1: classic lines and then kind of finished there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the end, it's done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Adam Richard, this podcast comes with homework. I very
Speaker 1: much appreciate you doing this, Like, I'm glad you enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: because when I watch it the first time, like I said,
Speaker 1: I was a tiny bit underwhelmed and I thought, oh, jeez,
Speaker 1: I hope I haven't dragged you into watching something that
Speaker 1: you hate.
Speaker 4: I'm really glad i've seen ITV. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Enjoyed more a second time and enjoyed it even more
Speaker 1: now that we've even spoken about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so great. I want to watch it again.
Speaker 3: I want to see the other two because this is
Speaker 3: the third time they've made this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know with Benny Davis, which she said is terrible,
Speaker 5: like she hates it.
Speaker 1: Well, we must see it.
Speaker 5: But I love that the third time you've made something
Speaker 5: it becomes a classic, whereas now if you made something
Speaker 5: for a third time, people are like, why are they
Speaker 5: making that again?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, mate, keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 4: So great.
Speaker 1: It's been it's been too long since we've been able
Speaker 1: to have a chat. And like I said, thanks for
Speaker 1: doing this.
Speaker 3: Oh no, thank you. That was fun awesome.
Speaker 4: We'll catch up, sir.
Speaker 1: There we go the Maltese Falcon with Adam Richard. I
Speaker 1: think it's one of those moments where I actually kind
Speaker 1: of started enjoying the movie more. In hindsight, I did
Speaker 1: watch it twice, and I enjoyed a bit more a
Speaker 1: second time, and then talking about it with Adam made
Speaker 1: me enjoy it a little bit more. He really enjoyed
Speaker 1: going through that with Adam. Very funny man. Check out
Speaker 1: his podcast. Adam Ritchard has a theory and he also
Speaker 1: does a podcast involving Mariah Carey. I forget what it's called,
Speaker 1: but it's Adam has always been obsessed with Mariah Carey
Speaker 1: and it makes me laugh so much. So check that out.
Speaker 1: And yes, whenever you see get a chance to see
Speaker 1: Adam Richard live, go and get there because he's he's
Speaker 1: so great, so funny. Some Cosway studios who helped me
Speaker 1: put all this together. Had you seen Maltese Falcon Derek? No?
Speaker 3: I hadn't. However, here we go.
Speaker 9: However, when I was getting the clips ready for this one,
Speaker 9: I recognized a voice.
Speaker 1: Now, Peter Law Yeah, Peter Laurie, Peter.
Speaker 9: Laurie, and I've heard him somewhere before, and then I
Speaker 9: know what it was. His voice was used on an
Speaker 9: album that I was obsessed with in the very early eighties,
Speaker 9: and it was pretty unusual. Everyone else was getting into
Speaker 9: The Cure and Duran Duran or whatever. But I had
Speaker 9: this album called by John and Vangelis, John as from Yes,
Speaker 9: Vangelis who's recently deceased, and it was called The Friends
Speaker 9: of Mister Cairo, and the puzzle pieces all just came together. Wow,
Speaker 9: and I realized that that album had clips from the
Speaker 9: Maltese Falcon in it, So I've somehow been connected with it.
Speaker 4: You it's funny because I name Peter Lurie, but I
Speaker 4: didn't really.
Speaker 1: I remembered with there an episode of It's a Date
Speaker 1: that I wrote, and it was a really fun episode
Speaker 1: with Rove and Adrian Pickering and and and Sean michaele
Speaker 1: And he's kind of like love Triangle kind of episode.
Speaker 1: And and Sean mackayleff played an actor who was a
Speaker 1: thespian but it was working in the like Dracula circuit
Speaker 1: and and and he was was Hungarian.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's completely a lot of Sean.
Speaker 1: You know, Sean put a lot of you know, the
Speaker 1: content into his character, and I really built up that character.
Speaker 1: It's really funny. And he mentions Peter Laurie. And remember
Speaker 1: at the time, going Peter Larry, I must look him
Speaker 1: out one day and and so I was kind of
Speaker 1: aware of I knew he was like, you know, a
Speaker 1: bit of a thespian legend, but to see actually to
Speaker 1: see him in this, uh, he was he was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun.
Speaker 4: He was great. He was great. Hey, if people love
Speaker 4: the podcast.
Speaker 1: You can send us an email at yasny Podcast at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Love to hear hear from you, but
Speaker 1: we also love to hear you, and you can do
Speaker 1: that by following the links on our page and getting
Speaker 1: on the speak pipe Derek.
Speaker 9: Exactly, speakpipe dot com, Forward Slash Yasni yas.
Speaker 1: And Why and we actually have one right now from Naomi.
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for your wonderful podcast. It's great
Speaker 10: to hear people discuss movies. I don't have anyone in
Speaker 10: my life that likes to discuss them as much as
Speaker 10: I do, so I really appreciate listening to you, and
Speaker 10: especially listening to you guys discuss Parenthood, because that's definitely
Speaker 10: one of my top three movies. It was the first
Speaker 10: time that I can remember anyway of seeing our own
Speaker 10: family depicted on the big screen, of a single mum
Speaker 10: with two kids amongst a family that was what would
Speaker 10: you call it, nuclear normal, that had the father and
Speaker 10: mum and money and was cure, and the way they
Speaker 10: all seem to ignore the fact that she was maybe
Speaker 10: struggling a bit or you know, they still got her
Speaker 10: to look after Grandma, and they still got her to
Speaker 10: do everything even though she had less help, she had
Speaker 10: less money. You could see it. They still no one
Speaker 10: offered to help with Gary. Were also just caught up
Speaker 10: in their own little worlds, but quite happy to you know, privately,
Speaker 10: look down it was. Yeah, it's just a great movie
Speaker 10: just to see that that struggle. I guess it has
Speaker 10: to be a lived experience to really understand how well
Speaker 10: that was written and how realistic it was or it is,
Speaker 10: especially if you come from that type of family and
Speaker 10: that Oh, please forgive my rain parrot. Okay, anyway I
Speaker 10: could bang on for ages. Thank you for you work.
Speaker 1: Go pies, Go pies.
Speaker 4: Indeed, Naomi and your rain.
Speaker 1: Parents are lovely app Actually that tells you when the
Speaker 1: rain's coming, and maybe there's a downpour on your coming
Speaker 1: your way now, Imi, hopefully you you're undercover.
Speaker 4: That's a lovely message.
Speaker 1: Derek and we have a great reaction to Parenthood, which
Speaker 1: we did with Cameron James. I really enjoyed watching that
Speaker 1: episode and it just reminds me. Nami's message reminds me that,
Speaker 1: you know, how powerful movies can be, particularly if if
Speaker 1: you can relate to him on a life experience level.
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, but it seemed like maybe
Speaker 1: Naomi was insinuated that she might have been like a
Speaker 1: single mom, or maybe she was raised by single mom.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Diane Weese's performance in Parenthood is
Speaker 1: so so wonderful and yeah, it's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: performances in a movie comedy.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 1: Thanks no Imi, and if you send us your messages,
Speaker 1: any questions you want to whack in there to our
Speaker 1: speak part, we'd love to hear from you. It's being
Speaker 1: really great to add this to the show this year.
Speaker 1: We've got more episodes coming up for the We've got
Speaker 1: a few more to get through for this season. Season
Speaker 1: four of you Ain't Seen Nothing Yet next week on
Speaker 1: the show. I did say at the start of the season,
Speaker 1: I want to bring new voices, and we've had people
Speaker 1: like Beck Charwood, Alex j Alexi Toleopolis, amongst others. Cameron
Speaker 1: James and we're going to have another new voice is
Speaker 1: a rising actor. I work with him on How to
Speaker 1: Stay Married and he was in an episode in the
Speaker 1: first series where he well, he had to do something.
Speaker 1: He had to drink my character sperm. Anyway, it's a
Speaker 1: long story and it's all in the episode. Jackson Tozer,
Speaker 1: who was also in Mister in Between. He's got a
Speaker 1: film out with Stephen carry a short film called Hatchback,
Speaker 1: which is doing wowing the sent Kilda Short Film Festival
Speaker 1: right now. And from the Maltese Falcon we are traveling
Speaker 1: into the future to nineteen eighty four for James Cameron's
Speaker 1: seminal American sci fi classic with Arnie the Schwartzenegger and
Speaker 1: Linda Hanwell. And of course it's a Terminator. We cannot
Speaker 1: wait to discuss that so much, to discuss what a
Speaker 1: landmark movie the term matter is and Jackson Toza is
Speaker 1: going to be a great bloke to chat about it with.
Speaker 1: Until then, take care of each other. Bye for now,
Speaker 1: and so we leave old Pete save Fan Soult and
Speaker 1: to our friends of the radio audience, we've been a
Speaker 1: pleasant good night.