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Speaker 1: My Heart podcasts, hear More Kids podcasts, playlists and listen

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Speaker 1: live on the Free Hard you're you're joining us. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be honest at a very strange time. If you

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Speaker 1: were listening just before, you would have heard Woody literally

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Speaker 1: have a baby. Guys, So that that happened, which.

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Speaker 2: Probably his wife's having the baby, but still I would

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Speaker 2: it's a big deal and amazingly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we had a bunch of people on speed

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Speaker 1: up the phone first and he's in the studio now

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Speaker 1: co hosting.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate I have.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of free time and I'm happy

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Speaker 3: Happy to be anywhere nice that you could come on in.

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Speaker 3: I mean all the.

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Speaker 2: Way down janitorial like whatever you need, I'm here, all right,

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Speaker 2: Johnny on the spot.

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Speaker 3: I'll let them know. I let him know there actually

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Speaker 3: is a bit of cleaning that Rob. You're you're touring

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Speaker 3: Adelaide and one night in Melbourne.

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Speaker 1: Brand new record it's called All Night Days Now. We

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Speaker 1: were just saying off air that your son is is it?

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Speaker 1: Mason is Mason? So he's playing in your band with you.

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Speaker 1: He is twenty seven years old.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven He played a full tour in the States,

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Speaker 1: Probably, so I'm interested. I'm going to weave this through.

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Speaker 1: So because what he's not here, I can ask complicated questions.

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Speaker 1: So so when I was a teenager, like I was

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Speaker 1: a like an enormous matchbox t it's next like enormous,

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Speaker 1: Like I really and what's all we listened to.

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Speaker 3: Religious very cool man. I'm actually very nervous talking to you.

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Speaker 3: I don't normally get me it should be a very

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Speaker 1: I don't normally get nervous talking to people, but I

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Speaker 1: I just I suppose being a role model to a son.

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Speaker 1: And I look back on like, you know who you

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Speaker 1: were probably when you had him, which is I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was a lastly different person.

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Speaker 3: I was a mess for a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you know that's why there's something

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Speaker 2: that was the thing that kept me away from him

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Speaker 2: for a lot of times, you know, more than I

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Speaker 2: and you doing anything. Is now the thing that's kind

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Speaker 2: of brought us back together in a really big way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's sincerely of my one.

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Speaker 2: Of my one of my best friends, you know, like

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Speaker 2: he's he's just so kind and he's not like the

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Speaker 2: first week that we were out, we got you know,

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Speaker 2: Band has been with me for twenty years at that band,

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Speaker 2: so like we're all family, and we're like, okay, we're

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Speaker 2: this is we're going to go. And he's like, I

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Speaker 3: When I met my wife, I think I became a

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Speaker 2: But I'm very honest with him about especially because he

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Speaker 1: I don't think that kind of like male fandom exists

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Speaker 2: I think there's a reason why, like bands like you know,

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Speaker 3: Yes, particular, you know, I think Michael Michael Hutchins was

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Speaker 2: I mean like if I and there's if I see

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Speaker 1: So for me, I wanted to ask you how it

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Speaker 2: You have to imagine, like it's a time where there's

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Speaker 2: We didn't have another metric to compare it to wow,

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Speaker 2: Like we didn't know how many followers we have versus

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Speaker 1: Did you have a moment where you were like we're famous,

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Speaker 2: There were kind of like little moments along the way.

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Speaker 2: My first solo record was twenty years ago, and I

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Speaker 2: remember playing like live aid in front of a million

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Speaker 3: Was Steve Wonder. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think my I've always been like that level of fame,

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Speaker 1: Another band that was probably on the same parallel for

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Speaker 1: when I sold The Strokes in Australia recently, and Julian

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Speaker 1: I've never it's been a very long time since I've

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Speaker 3: Out like a normal person does, as opposed to waking

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Speaker 2: The first time my son was like nineteen. Like my

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Speaker 2: like ten. It was like as soon as he was

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Speaker 2: it away, don't show anybody that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Then when he was like eighteen, it was kind of like, okay, listen,

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Speaker 3: And even when he.

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Speaker 2: Shows, these women are like sexualizing my son from the

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Speaker 3: Stop it. He's twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: By the way, everyone I know, ye single, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it just has a brand new girl friend. Stay away, guys.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about, uh this Bobby movie thing.

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Speaker 3: Don't know it.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Gosling does a version of push in the Bobby Movie.

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Speaker 4: He's been one of that thank you, I love it,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety six, I sounded a lot more like

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you so, first question, the Rob

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Speaker 1: Thomas voice, like it's iconic. You can't not sing your

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Speaker 2: The first couple of records, it was much more southern

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that it became over the years. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and so do you like is that a do you

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Speaker 3: do you when you're singing? Are you like all right?

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Speaker 3: Time to go full Rob Thomas on this thing? And

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Speaker 2: To, I think it just happens. Yeah, I mean it's iconic,

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Speaker 2: it's your voice. Yeah, like I'm not really sure. I

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Speaker 1: So the second question I have for you, So apparently

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Speaker 2: When she wrote me to ask about using the song,

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Speaker 2: one sheet. Really, they just said Greta girl wigs doing

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Speaker 2: a movie. And I was already in because since like

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Speaker 2: Francis Hall, I've loved every movie is done right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and uh, but then Margot Robbie, Ryan Gosling. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's just like I was like, whatever it is, I'm

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I'm I'm not stupid. I know exactly

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Speaker 2: Come right, and there's it's not wrong because in the

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Speaker 2: and he didn't know how to use his emotions, so

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Speaker 3: That's how he kind of worked it out. And when

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Speaker 2: Young and not that smart, I wrote songs like that,

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Speaker 3: And that's why you were popular. I mean, that's as

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Speaker 1: That's why I loved you guys so much, because as

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Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, you should be like this,

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Speaker 1: and then you get bands like you and you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, I'm like that emotional.

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Speaker 2: That's because there's a lot of people that like there

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Speaker 3: Felt like it was a little better if I could,

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Speaker 3: Lot when I was a teenager, all right on.

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Speaker 3: But what happened? Why did you start? Because you found

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Speaker 1: That was the idea. Oh really, yeah, it's good, you

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Speaker 2: Huh no, I want to hear you play. Somebody give

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Speaker 2: me a dollar. I'm nervous about this done sound check?

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Speaker 3: Do you okay? One American Dog for one American song.

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Speaker 3: I can try, I can try, but are you willing?

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Speaker 3: Are you willing to sing as well? Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: I can't do it, thank you, because I don't. I

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Speaker 5: Mika, she said, it's cold outside. She hands me my

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Speaker 5: ringe cord. She's always worried about things like that. She said,

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Speaker 3: She all sleeps around.

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Speaker 6: It's rain and she screams now.

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Speaker 3: Her voice istrain, she says, bathing.

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Speaker 6: Historam I must be lonely, she says, baby, and I

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Speaker 3: But the rain's gonna wash away.

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Speaker 5: I believe it.

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Speaker 3: One dollar, Thank you, sir, rot. That was unbelievable. Wow.

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Speaker 3: I never thought that Rob Thomas would be giving me money. Dude.

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Speaker 2: We were in the car googling how to tell the

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Speaker 3: Shut up, shut up, all right, Let's do it. I

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Speaker 3: love that, Otherwise it'll feel like wasted time.

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Speaker 1: He's got the goggles on what he is out of

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Speaker 3: Guys, if you're just joining us, Rob is going to

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Speaker 1: You should know on this celebrity leaderboard, Joe Jonas has six. Oh,

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Speaker 1: It kind of goes up from there. Now, if you

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you and Jason have hung out

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Speaker 1: at all. Uh no, five seconds of somewhere in here.

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Speaker 1: They got nine yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's just If I get one, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've been practicing in the car, so you should

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Speaker 1: get one. He's your first can. That's a beer, Rob Thomas,

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Speaker 1: thanks for dropping by. It's been great a beer.

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Speaker 3: I was so ready.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I knew exactly what a beer was

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Speaker 3: I'm ready to go again, are you sure? Yeah? Because

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Speaker 3: the thing is, let me see that can again. The

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Speaker 3: problem is, you.

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Speaker 2: Know you can take that and shove it up your ass.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to keep going.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, if hearing it on the microphone is

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Speaker 3: Remember that, all right?

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Speaker 2: Also, I feel like when I was in the car,

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Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna rule it.

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Speaker 3: This can one. Here we go. That's a beer. That's

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Speaker 3: a beer. Yeah, it was a phoamy thing. All right, Look,

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Speaker 1: You can just leave your goggles on, you know, man,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to pull back up for air.

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Speaker 3: I just don't believe you. All right, here we go,

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Speaker 3: can't you? That's a beer? Rub Thomas, thanks again for

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Speaker 2: I always like to point out that I'm a pretty

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Speaker 2: good songwriter and we could just go with that.

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Speaker 3: I dude, I I've never been more upset at a

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Speaker 3: stupid skill that I don't.

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Speaker 1: Have one can one better than Jason Dulo. You take it,

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Speaker 1: I'll do it. It's been great having you in man.

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Speaker 1: Rob's go a brand new album, All night Days. Tickets

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Speaker 1: to go and see him still Melbourne, Sydney shows, great

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Speaker 1: to have you on the studio, Rob Thomas and Villain Woody.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, man, thanks without without Woodie.

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Speaker 3: We need you again. Yeah, and congrats to.

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Speaker 2: What I can't I can't believe that just because he's

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Speaker 2: that's fine.

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Speaker 3: Priorities I guess I don't know. Thanks Rob,