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Speaker 1: This is jam Nation were Jonesy.

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Speaker 2: It was a year ago that Alec Baldwin fired the

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Speaker 2: gun that killed a cinematographer on the film set of

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Speaker 2: the movie Rust. Some new information has come to light,

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Speaker 2: and we spoke to Claire about that this morning.

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Speaker 1: Baldwin has always insisted that he didn't fire the gun.

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Speaker 1: He said in an interview as December, the trigger wasn't pulled.

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Speaker 1: I didn't pull the trigger. And it's definitely changing the

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Speaker 1: way people are looking at this case because it seems

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Speaker 1: ridiculous really that he insisted he didn't pull it in

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Speaker 1: the first place, because people originally said there's absolutely no

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Speaker 1: way this gun went off without somebody pulling the trigger.

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Speaker 1: And he has said he believed he was handling a

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Speaker 1: cold gun, which means it didn't have live ammunition. But

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Speaker 1: it raises questions about culpability because is it Baldwin who

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Speaker 1: should be blamed or the armorer.

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Speaker 2: So the FBI forensic report has concluded that Alec Baldwin

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Speaker 2: did pull the trigger. No one's saying he did it intentionally,

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Speaker 2: but it seemed like there was a perfect storm of

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Speaker 2: miss steps because the armorer didn't have much experience and

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Speaker 2: somehow live ammunition was in the gun. And were you saying, also, Brendan,

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Speaker 2: the crew, well.

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Speaker 3: The crew were goofing off. The crew were goofing off

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Speaker 3: with the guns. So the whole thing of guns and

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Speaker 3: they've got some tin cans set up and so they're

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Speaker 3: just shooting the guns. And America's cavalier attitude to guns.

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Speaker 3: He's in Australia because we don't see guns much. When

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Speaker 3: you've got a gun in your hand, you go, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's a gun. But over there if you've got them.

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Speaker 3: All the time I was watching on Instagram, this guy

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Speaker 3: is this American guy, you know, all American guy teaching

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Speaker 3: people gun safeties and the gun range. He's going, Okay,

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Speaker 3: what you gonna do is you're gonna fire the gun

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Speaker 3: like this and you stand back here, and he's doing

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Speaker 3: all this. So these people he's got a gun, they're

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Speaker 3: all standing mimicking him movements and he goes okay, and

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Speaker 3: on my account, and then the gun goes off, really

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Speaker 3: shoots himself in the head. And this is a so

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Speaker 3: called expert.

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Speaker 2: We've been I've done film shoots, film shoots, so I've

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Speaker 2: done TV shoots where there's been a gun and the

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Speaker 2: armorer that it's been incredible. They never had any bullets

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Speaker 2: in them. But even just handle it's like, as an

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Speaker 2: Australian you think you're holding a funnel web. You really

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Speaker 2: appreciate that. There's no way I want to be anywhere

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Speaker 2: near that unless it's completely safe. But there seems to have,

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Speaker 2: you say, been a couple of short cuts along the way.

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Speaker 2: Alec Baldwin is the executive producer of that film. So,

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Speaker 2: as Claire says, interesting to see where culpability is he Alec?

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Speaker 2: Presumably all it does? We now know he pressed the

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Speaker 2: button non intentionally, Sure fired the bullet? Is it the

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Speaker 2: armorer's fault? Is it the executive producer's fould? This story

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Speaker 2: isn't going away.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to go away at all. That Actually,

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Speaker 3: what was rust about it was, I know it was

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Speaker 3: an old Is it a Western? It was a Western?

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Speaker 3: It was a Western? Actually, Jim y Rae, you've already

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Speaker 3: googled clogs today? Can you google?

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Speaker 2: I think they're wearing clogs around the tulips in the

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Speaker 2: out in American West.

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Speaker 3: No, none of those days, all right.

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Speaker 4: So, according to the Wikipedia premise, in eighteen eighties, Kansas

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Speaker 4: outlaw Harlan rust rescues his thirteen year old grandson, Lucas,

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Speaker 4: who has been sentenced to hang for murder after an

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Speaker 4: accidental shooting.

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Speaker 2: Really, that what the film is. That what the film is.

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Speaker 2: It's a good review, isn't it that what the film is?

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Speaker 3: How ironic?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Cool?

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Speaker 2: How ironic is that the name of the sequel?

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Speaker 3: Do you think that's a sequel, mate, No,