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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and in

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Speaker 1: the studio with us this morning from the COLP the

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Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Mayley, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: From sky News. It is Matt Cunningham, Good morning to you. Matt,

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Speaker 1: good morning, good to have you in the studio. Kezier Puic,

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Speaker 1: the Independent member for Goider morning, good morning bush people.

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Speaker 1: And Job Bowden, the member for.

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Speaker 3: Johnson. Goodness me.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't mind playing for a second there from the

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Speaker 1: Labor Party. He's taking notes furiously. I'm not sure what

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Speaker 1: you're noting down there.

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Speaker 4: Job, Good morning, Katy.

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Speaker 5: I'm just noting that that Kezier has made an outlandish

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Speaker 5: statement this morning off.

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Speaker 4: Air that there is going to be a teal in Goider.

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Speaker 2: What a load of rubber.

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Speaker 6: I think what she said was they discovered that one

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Speaker 6: teal lives in. There's a petition that started or ready

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Speaker 6: to get them kicked out.

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Speaker 7: No self respecting person is going to accept a teal

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Speaker 7: in the.

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Speaker 3: Rh Goodness, I agree. What a Friday morning, What a

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Speaker 3: Friday morning.

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Speaker 1: We're in fourteen and that was because we were discussing

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Speaker 1: whether there are going to be teal independents running different locations,

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Speaker 1: and we all agreed that there probably won't be out

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Speaker 1: in the rural area.

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Speaker 7: They'll be in Nightcliff, Johohnson, there's three already.

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Speaker 6: So there's there's Justin Davis who's running in Johnston. Is

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Speaker 6: it Johnson or Johnston? Is there an I think Millie

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Speaker 6: May is running in Nightcliff and Justing Glover on the council.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, in.

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Speaker 7: Calling themselves teals now not Greeny.

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Speaker 6: Well, they call themselves voices of the top end. But

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Speaker 6: that's that's what the teal movement is. It was voices

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Speaker 6: of Indi and then voices of Wearinger and voices different.

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Speaker 3: Version of that.

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Speaker 1: I suppose last time called Territory Alliance and it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: It was a bit of a different kind of.

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Speaker 6: Movement though, wasn't It was grassroots And then they said

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Speaker 6: they were going to ban fracking. I think that's probably

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Speaker 6: the Territory Alliance people, though I've spoken to their candidates reckon.

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Speaker 6: That's the point where they really went wrong because they

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Speaker 6: were probably tracking along or ride and then suddenly, you know,

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Speaker 6: a couple of months out from the election, they decided

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Speaker 6: that they were going to jump on the anti fracking

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Speaker 6: campaign and then it all sort of went pear shape

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Speaker 6: from there.

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Speaker 3: Well, and while.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about that, let's talk about gas, because we

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Speaker 1: will get to some of the other topics throughout this morning.

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Speaker 1: But we know that energy company Tamboran Resources in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government they've signed a fifteen year binding gas

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Speaker 1: sales agreement to supply forty terror duels of gas day

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Speaker 1: a gas a day from the Beaterloo sub basin to

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Speaker 1: generate electricity in the Northern Territory. Now, you'd have to

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Speaker 1: say that this is a good move, I would think,

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Speaker 1: in the sense that we are securing energy for the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory with the you know, with this agreement. And

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Speaker 1: I know that not everybody or there's certainly still some

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Speaker 1: voices out there that are opposed to fracking and the

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Speaker 1: development of the Bea Toloo, but a lot of everyday territorians.

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Speaker 1: If it means that you're able to get cheaper energy

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Speaker 1: and more secure in surely it's a.

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Speaker 2: Good Ultimately, you think that it should have happened years ago. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: they becoming in Motorium put it behind schedule and all

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Speaker 2: the uncertainty in relation to gas because We know the

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Speaker 2: Labor Party don't support gas. We know labor ministers support gas.

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Speaker 2: Labor ministers don't support gas, and they flop around and

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Speaker 2: we don't really know what's going on with that. But

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Speaker 2: ultimately this has really put the territory on the map.

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Speaker 2: We we've got some gas. It should have happened earlier,

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Speaker 2: and we need the energy and we need that resources

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Speaker 2: because we want to make ourselves a manufacturing industry and

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Speaker 2: we need gas. We need cheap energy.

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Speaker 8: Well, it is a good it's good in our sa.

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Speaker 8: Katie Tamburin is a good company, a solid company, and

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Speaker 8: we do need we need energy security. That's what it's about.

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Speaker 8: You know, black tip, we know is depleting quickly. There's

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Speaker 8: no other sources of cost efficient energy around apart from Tamberin.

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Speaker 8: Nothing's coming from on shore in a hurry. We can

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Speaker 8: access gas from the gas plants, but at a huge

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Speaker 8: price because there's no reservation policy. And what people also

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Speaker 8: have to understand about gas is that I know there's

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Speaker 8: people say, oh, you shouldn't sign a deal until you've

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Speaker 8: done this, this and this, But what people have to

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Speaker 8: understand is gas companies and gas projects have to get

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Speaker 8: their customers signed up before they really charge ahead with

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Speaker 8: their development, because in the gas industry there's only small

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Speaker 8: windows of opportunity to sell your product or to get

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Speaker 8: it to market. So what they've done is not unusual

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Speaker 8: for the gas industry. They've signed a contract with a

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Speaker 8: customer for I think it was fifteen years, isn't it

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Speaker 8: fifteen with an option to go further. Because there's a

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Speaker 8: heap of gas at Biglue.

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Speaker 1: Heap of gas, we don't know how much it's costing

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Speaker 1: or what we've paid, I guess because it's commercial and

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Speaker 1: confidence is what we're being told.

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Speaker 3: I mean, is that appropriate? Should we know?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 5: It is in confidence and Keys has actually articulated it

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Speaker 5: quite well. Within eye issues and the and the gas

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Speaker 5: not being available, we've then been purchasing gas at a

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Speaker 5: much higher price. This gives them certainty into the future,

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Speaker 5: and if there's going to be gas extracted, then the

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Speaker 5: territory should have a right to that. It gives us security,

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Speaker 5: it gives us options going forward, and we don't want

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Speaker 5: to get to a point were we've going to buy

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Speaker 5: gas at such an exorbitant rate that with the prices

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Speaker 5: go up. I mean, we just don't want that. This

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Speaker 5: is good security for the next fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: Are you support the gas industry in.

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Speaker 5: Fracking, Jared, as you said just before the labor government

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Speaker 5: signed this, it's a fifteen contract.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 4: We support this, Yeah, we support it.

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Speaker 2: Do you support it?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Jared, we do. We support this.

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Speaker 9: It's a simple were here.

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Speaker 3: So hang on. Let's when you say we, do you

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Speaker 3: mean you yourself and you or the.

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Speaker 10: Party or myself and including the party and Jared you

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Speaker 10: alluded to the period of time that had gone and yes,

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Speaker 10: it took a while, right, there was a moratorium.

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Speaker 4: We took our time with that.

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Speaker 5: There was one hundred and thirty four recommendations and it's

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Speaker 5: progressed slowly.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's progressively.

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Speaker 10: But you're saying you're going to cut You're going to

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Speaker 10: cut red tape which you need to protection? Which environment

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Speaker 10: protection will you cut to reduce your timelines by fifty percent?

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Speaker 4: Yes, this is talking about in which one I'm talking

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Speaker 4: about the environment. You're asking me you know I must

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Speaker 4: and I.

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Speaker 2: Know we're answer my question.

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 4: Now you support gas person unless we do so?

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Speaker 11: Good?

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Speaker 12: This is a fifteen year contract that we support and

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Speaker 12: we've signed off. Do you do you think you can

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Speaker 12: reduce red tape by fifty percent, and which environment Protection

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Speaker 12: get mining projects out of the ground.

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Speaker 2: Which way, we are not going to slash any environmental policies.

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Speaker 4: Soron when you reduce the environment is important.

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Speaker 2: We're going to make sure that when you put an

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Speaker 2: application into the government and into the regulatory authority, it

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Speaker 2: gets to action. It doesn't just sit in the drawer.

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Speaker 2: Someone doesn't go and leave. We need to empower the

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Speaker 2: public service to be able to do their job and

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Speaker 2: support them more, which unfortunately labor government have failed to do.

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Speaker 2: Because there's some great public servers out there. They just

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Speaker 4: But there's processes involved. That's the thing that processes.

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Speaker 2: Processes can change the environmental regulation. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: not going to slash any environmental real We're going to

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Speaker 2: ancient processes how you do things to make those approvals

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Speaker 2: going to cut any environmental laws. We're just going to

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Speaker 2: make sure those applications progress.

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Speaker 1: Now, we know that there are still some who are

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Speaker 1: not real happy about this. I know that one of

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Speaker 1: the chairs of an Aboriginal corporation representing Native title holders

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Speaker 1: from the Beaterloo Basin region, had told the NT News,

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Speaker 1: we want to protect our country from fracking. You know,

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Speaker 1: the question had been asked of the Chief Minister earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week. Are you ignoring the concerns of traditional owners?

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Speaker 1: She said that no, that was not the case that

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Speaker 1: there had been that consultation.

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Speaker 3: Happened, Katie.

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Speaker 8: Consultation has taken place, and I know about it.

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Speaker 7: I've read about it.

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Speaker 8: I've heard from people who are involved in that kind

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Speaker 8: like it or not, Beterloo is going to get developed

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Speaker 8: because it's in the interests of the Northern Territory community

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Speaker 8: and the Australian community across the board. So they can

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Speaker 8: still protest again, I'm sure there's still some Greenies or

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Speaker 8: new Teals protesting against uranium money, but they have to

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Speaker 8: come to grips with the fact that Beagloo Base is

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Speaker 8: going to be developed.

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Speaker 6: We understand that it can't happen without an Indigenous land

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Speaker 9: That's true.

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Speaker 6: It requires the free, prior and informed consent, all that

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Speaker 6: of traditional owners. So it's fair enough to say some

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Speaker 6: traditional owners don't support but this widespread blanket traditional owners

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Speaker 6: oppose it, it's not correct, is not correct, and there

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Speaker 6: are traditional owners who support it, just as there are

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Speaker 6: traditional owners.

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Speaker 9: Who oppose it.

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Speaker 6: So I think it's it's really simplistic when we roll

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Speaker 6: out the line that says traditional owners don't support the

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Speaker 7: In the ask for details, what traditional owners? How many?

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Speaker 7: What areas it is to go ahead?

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Speaker 1: Look, I think the thing is we are in a

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Speaker 1: situation in the Northern Territory right now where the economy

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Speaker 1: does need to get moving. I mean the latest COMSEXT

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Speaker 1: State of the State's quarterly report came out earlier in

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Speaker 1: the weeks lasting yet last again. I mean, the thing

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Speaker 1: that I found quite interesting about it is the South

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Speaker 1: Australia Premier Peter Malanascus I believe is his name.

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Speaker 3: He was out sprooking it because they won. But do

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Speaker 3: we still throw it in the bin?

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Speaker 5: Joh Well, it gets discredited, Kadie because it includes the

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Speaker 5: sixty billion dollars of impacts.

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Speaker 4: Talk about Peter Malanaskus and South Australia.

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Speaker 5: Look where they've done with gather around, Look what they've

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Speaker 5: done with the VH look that live golf. They've turned

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Speaker 5: South Australia in Adelaide into a sports entertainment hub and

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Speaker 5: it's no surprise that they've jumped up the leaderboard. That's

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Speaker 5: something that as the Tourism Minister, I'm actually looking at

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Speaker 5: at the moment. How do we bring bigger acts, better

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Speaker 5: acts to the Northern Territory so that we can jump

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Speaker 5: up the leaderboard at some stage once once impacts gets

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Speaker 5: washed out and let's not worry about the complexities it no, Well,

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Speaker 5: if you take out sixty billion dollars Jared, then that's

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Speaker 5: a big chunk of money.

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Speaker 2: So let's keep talking about let's keep making goverment.

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Speaker 5: And if you want to focus on that report, right,

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to get acts to the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to get events to the Northern Territory so

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Speaker 8: The resource industry is coming cad In. I've said this

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Speaker 2: You want to pick up what you said about this

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Speaker 9: So let the.

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Speaker 1: Like, at what point do we start looking at these

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Speaker 3: And I've got to say, the one area where a.

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Speaker 3: But we really like.

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Speaker 1: We do need to start ticking along. We've got to

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Speaker 9: It's affected, it's affected.

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Speaker 6: That has really necessarily been the case in the rest

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Speaker 9: You know, sea.

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Speaker 9: We desperately need more jobs.

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Speaker 6: We want this to be a place where the population

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Speaker 9: Because if you go back to that.

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Speaker 2: Plminantly. Look at the crime state figures have gone up

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Speaker 4: For people to do that.

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Speaker 8: Katie, it'll be interesting coming and bringing up picking up

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Speaker 3: We've got the tourism.

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Speaker 5: It's here, Keasier and Katie, I've just been in Tanant

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Speaker 4: Mostly it's in the Barkley. Who did you make it too?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: No problems got through Fie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's hope. So, let's hope.

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Speaker 1: So well, we are going to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix ONEOW four point nines three sixty.

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Speaker 3: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nines

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Speaker 1: three sixty in the studio this morning, we've got Joel

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Speaker 1: Barden Kezy Epiric, Matt Cunningham and Jared Maylee. Now Jerry

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Speaker 1: Woods just text through and he said, if an independent

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, says Jarren.

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Speaker 7: Right, gon't be a teal washed out greenies.

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Speaker 3: Oh Geezy Puric say you really.

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Speaker 9: Feel washed out? It's rich greenee rich Green rich.

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Speaker 3: Now look we know that.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the week, the Chief Minister committed to allow

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Speaker 1: She also admitted the government had hoped demolished both the

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Speaker 3: So a tend has been.

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Speaker 1: Released for the demolition of the original don Dale, but

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Speaker 3: Right, but the old old don Dale it's still really.

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Speaker 1: Knocked out in the original don Dale, but the new

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Speaker 2: It's seem what a debarcle this whole debate being about this,

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Speaker 2: Why not just take let Mattia go in there this

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Speaker 4: Don't feel anyone.

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Speaker 2: Else of the kids because they respect their privacy and

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Speaker 2: got caught up in those one saying one thing, say

446
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Speaker 2: another thing and been there and not being there. So

447
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Speaker 2: ultimately what a debarcle. Just let the media in what

448
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Speaker 2: has what has the labor government got to hide?

449
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Speaker 5: You can't advocate letting media into a youth detention facility

450
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Speaker 5: where kids are trying to rehabilitate.

451
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Speaker 4: Yes, there has been.

452
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Speaker 9: I've been in there. It was in there in twenty

453
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Speaker 9: sixteen and there in twenty eighteen.

454
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Speaker 4: And that's that's terrific.

455
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Speaker 5: That's made that when when the kids transition out and

456
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Speaker 5: I'm the infrastructure minister, right, so I've been out at

457
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Speaker 5: the old don Dale and the tender has been released.

458
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Speaker 4: It's gone, right, So it's gone.

459
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Speaker 5: The current site which for some reason was called Dondale

460
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Speaker 5: as well. But let's got it, the current baron of

461
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Speaker 5: prison will be repurposed until we can actually build or

462
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Speaker 5: reduce our prisoner numbers, Like, it's pretty simple, and the

463
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 5: prisoner numbers have gone up, so it's common sense use

464
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Speaker 5: the current facility, repurpose it and then utilize that asset.

465
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Speaker 6: The fact, what about the fact that facility was demed

466
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Speaker 6: only fit for a bulldozer more than ten years.

467
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Speaker 5: Ago and fourteen million dollars has been used to repurpose it.

468
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Speaker 6: So twenteen million dollars is a liqu of pain on

469
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Speaker 6: a place like that. Surely I disagree for it and

470
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Speaker 6: see it ourselves.

471
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Speaker 5: And once that, once the detainees have been moved out,

472
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Speaker 5: you can go and have a look.

473
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Speaker 4: And to do that.

474
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Speaker 1: What exactly does the government think the media are going

475
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Speaker 1: to do to these youths in don Dale when they

476
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Speaker 1: go in there? Like, what exactly do you think the

477
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Speaker 1: media is going to do? That's stopping the media from

478
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Speaker 1: being allowed to go in, Like, we've got a whole

479
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Speaker 1: code of ethics that we've got to work by. We

480
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Speaker 1: actually have to have professional standards that we've got to

481
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Speaker 1: live by, but also legal standards like mate, you're actually

482
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Speaker 1: not allowed to show the faces of those youths, are you?

483
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Speaker 6: Well no, And as I said before, I've been in

484
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Speaker 6: there several times while the youth detainees have been in there.

485
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Speaker 6: I've been allowed in there under the previous CLP government.

486
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Speaker 6: I've been allowed in there under the Gunna Labor government.

487
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Speaker 6: But there's been a change in policy Chief Minister. It's

488
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Speaker 6: not that it's not the new Chief Minister, because she's

489
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Speaker 6: actually said it was the Minister for Territory Families. And

490
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Speaker 6: I think there's been a change within the department. When

491
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Speaker 6: I first called the department right and asked, because this

492
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Speaker 6: came because John Lawrence had said the media should be

493
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Speaker 6: allowed in there if the.

494
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Speaker 9: Government's saying this place is fine to how our.

495
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Speaker 6: Adult male prisoners and at the time they were talking

496
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Speaker 6: about putting female prisoners in there, but either way, he said,

497
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Speaker 6: well let the media in so that they can see

498
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Speaker 6: what it's like. And he's actually said I've represented children

499
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Speaker 6: in that facility and those children and their parents would

500
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Speaker 6: be more than happy for the cameras to go in

501
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Speaker 6: there and see what conditions are like.

502
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Speaker 4: Right.

503
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Speaker 6: It was subsequent to that that I made a request

504
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Speaker 6: from the department and I had someone from the apartment

505
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Speaker 6: ring me and say, oh, the children in there don't

506
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Speaker 6: want to be portrayed like animals in a zoo.

507
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Speaker 9: I mean, it's just, well, if we.

508
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Speaker 6: Don't want to tray them like animals, does that mean

509
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Speaker 6: we're treating them like animals in a zoo?

510
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Speaker 3: I mean, just a good question.

511
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Speaker 6: I don't understand, and I know I know that the

512
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Speaker 6: people listening out there, this is so far in the

513
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Speaker 6: bubble they couldn't give a stuff.

514
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Speaker 1: But the thing is, the media are the eyes and

515
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Speaker 1: ears for the broader public.

516
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Speaker 3: So the broader public.

517
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Speaker 1: Want to know whether don Dale was damaged in the

518
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Speaker 1: recent riots, and they want to know how extensive that

519
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Speaker 1: damage was or was not.

520
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Speaker 3: They also want.

521
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Speaker 1: To know if this building is going to be then

522
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Speaker 1: repurposed for prisoners, you know, later in the year. Well

523
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Speaker 1: is it up to standard, because we've been told ten

524
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Speaker 1: years ago it needs to be bulldozed, and now we're

525
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Speaker 1: being told that it's okay.

526
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Speaker 3: Because there's fourteen million spent on it.

527
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Speaker 1: So all of those questions, While I agree with you, Matt,

528
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Speaker 1: you know, it is a real sort of It is

529
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Speaker 1: one of those things that every day people may not

530
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Speaker 1: care that much about. But the point that Jared makes

531
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Speaker 1: as well about the situation out at Howard Springs is

532
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Speaker 1: a good one. We were told that there was wear

533
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Speaker 1: and tear out at Howard Springs and it turned out

534
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Speaker 1: to be anything.

535
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Speaker 7: But so I actually think the damage that's right.

536
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Speaker 1: So I actually think it is about being open and transparent,

537
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Speaker 1: and it's from a government that promised to be open

538
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Speaker 1: and transparent, that really ran on being open and transparenting.

539
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Speaker 2: And remember the Chief Minister now has been a treasure

540
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Speaker 2: and was Infrastructure minutes for many years. So ultimately the

541
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Speaker 2: buck stops with her. You say that it's a new

542
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Speaker 2: chief Minister, Well, she's the old Infrastructure and the Treasury

543
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Speaker 2: for many years. And only if the Labor government have

544
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Speaker 2: failed to plan, which obviously have because they seem to

545
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Speaker 2: be just doing a day here, day there, because they've

546
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: got no forward thinking. It just goes to show that

547
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Speaker 2: the Labor government have failed the prisoners, failed territories and

548
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Speaker 2: it must be hiding something.

549
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Speaker 8: I don't think they're hiding anything, but I think that

550
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Speaker 8: we have to look at this in a couple of

551
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Speaker 8: different ways.

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Speaker 7: One, they need more.

553
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Speaker 8: Space at Holtz Jail. You know, we know it's overflowing.

554
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Speaker 8: We know there's big mob of them double bunking. There's

555
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Speaker 8: people in watchhouses are full, whatch houses are full. So

556
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Speaker 8: we've got plus fifty two percent people on remand but

557
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Speaker 8: we've also got the women's section right in the.

558
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Speaker 7: Middle of a male jail, which was bad planning. From

559
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Speaker 7: what we're getting, that was a debus. So moving the females,

560
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Speaker 7: moving the.

561
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Speaker 8: Females to a repurposed don Dale second don Dale, I

562
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Speaker 8: think is okay by me. If you want to put

563
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Speaker 8: the women separately, that's probably a good idea. That then

564
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Speaker 8: frees up one hundred beds in for more prisoners. This

565
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Speaker 8: is about the number of people going into jail in

566
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Speaker 8: the first place. That necessitates the move of the women

567
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Speaker 8: out into another section so the men can fill up

568
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Speaker 8: that section. That's what it's about. It's about the fact

569
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Speaker 8: that more people are going to jail because of the

570
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Speaker 8: lawlessness in our community. That's what I think is at

571
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Speaker 8: the heart of this. Forget whether the structure of ten

572
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Speaker 8: years it should be bulldozed or whatever. The fact is

573
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Speaker 8: that more people are going to jail because more people

574
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Speaker 8: are committing crimes, because there's no consequences.

575
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Speaker 7: To the crimes.

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Speaker 8: I was only talking to a senior copper yesterday at

577
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Speaker 8: ANZAC Day and he said himself, there are no consequences.

578
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Speaker 7: That's the problem that we are suffering.

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Speaker 2: And remember there was a ride at the whole prison

580
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Speaker 2: a number of years ago and there's like thirty million

581
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Speaker 2: dollars with a dam in Jewish Is Insurance claiming. From

582
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Speaker 2: my understanding, that still hasn't been fixed. So that whole

583
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Speaker 2: building has sitting there vacant essentially, so there's more more

584
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Speaker 2: room in there that you know. It's the years on

585
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Speaker 2: and again the government have done nothing about that. It's

586
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Speaker 2: sitting there.

587
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Speaker 4: It was burned down.

588
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Speaker 2: I think for memory there must be.

589
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Speaker 9: Some consequences, though, I we've got more people in jail

590
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Speaker 9: than ever.

591
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's right, there has to be some consequences.

592
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Speaker 4: But anecdotally someone's saying there's no consequences.

593
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Speaker 5: Stuck up when we've got more people in prison, the

594
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Speaker 5: watchhouse is overflowing and the prisons.

595
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Speaker 1: Could it be though, that we've got more crime sped,

596
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Speaker 1: because that's what the crime statistics show us.

597
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Speaker 3: You know, that's what they've shown us.

598
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Speaker 5: Two hundred more police, there will be more enforcement. With

599
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Speaker 5: extra police on the ground, there will be more enforcement,

600
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Speaker 5: There'll be more accountability, and that's that's a given in

601
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Speaker 5: at some levels that there might be I mean, there

602
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Speaker 5: may be more enforcement, but I think there's more deterrence

603
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Speaker 5: as well.

604
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Speaker 6: If you look at what happened in Alice Springs right

605
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Speaker 6: after the riote at the Todd Tavern and the ride

606
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Speaker 6: at Hidden Valley Camp that prompted the curfew.

607
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Speaker 9: The other thing it prompted.

608
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Speaker 6: Was you know, sixty extra police in Alice Springs And

609
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Speaker 6: I was down there for the first two days of

610
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Speaker 6: that curfew and they were absolutely everywhere, every corner in out,

611
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Speaker 6: You couldn't miss them. There were police on horses, police

612
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Speaker 6: on motorbikes, policing cars, and the crime anecdotally at least,

613
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Speaker 6: appeared to go down. The more the police presence is there.

614
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Speaker 6: It would seem that the less crime there is. So

615
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Speaker 6: I think recruiting more police officers is a good idea

616
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Speaker 6: and having a higher police visit ability is a good idea.

617
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Speaker 6: And I think the other thing that needs to happen

618
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Speaker 6: is that, you know, is that more we need to

619
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Speaker 6: have more of the police that we do have actually

620
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Speaker 6: out on the street doing high visibility policing.

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Speaker 9: You know, we'll get onto this issue about.

622
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Speaker 6: Security guards in town, and you know, I know that

623
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Speaker 6: Connin said that he didn't get well, well, I think

624
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Speaker 6: it would actually be better to have police doing that

625
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Speaker 6: work than it would be.

626
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Speaker 5: When I was in Alice Springs on Tuesday five point

627
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Speaker 5: thirty in the mall, just finishing up my day and

628
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Speaker 5: I went out into the mall.

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Speaker 4: Just to walk up and down and have a look.

630
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Speaker 5: There were five police officers walking down the mall in

631
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Speaker 5: police uniforms, high visibility. We had a quick chat and

632
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Speaker 5: they said, it's quite. It's quite, and that's a deterrent

633
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Speaker 5: because it's that visible presence of police.

634
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Speaker 3: But we just don't have enough, which is why we're recruiting.

635
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Speaker 3: It's going to take quite some time. Like that's the

636
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Speaker 3: big thing.

637
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Speaker 1: So in the meantime, like I get that that the

638
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Speaker 1: government's saying that, But in the meantime, territories just have

639
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Speaker 1: to keep living the way that you know, like you've

640
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: just got to keep going. All right, Well, if you

641
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: if you know, an incident happens, you call the police

642
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: and you may not have someone rock up. And that

643
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Speaker 1: is not a criticism of the police. That's a criticism

644
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Speaker 1: of the fact that we do not have enough of them,

645
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: despite the facts that we've been.

646
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Speaker 3: You know that we've all been screaming out for it

647
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Speaker 3: for quite some time.

648
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Speaker 2: I want to say remember the Police Association have done

649
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Speaker 2: three surveys, and all those surveys over the last two years,

650
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Speaker 2: I think it is had said that the police are

651
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: not over ninety percent of them don't feel supported by

652
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: the Labor government. That's not writing on the wall two

653
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: years ago that there's going to be an issue. And

654
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Speaker 2: now we've got there eleventh hour fix of all these

655
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Speaker 2: extra police. And look, I agree that makes a difference,

656
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Speaker 2: but ultimately it's happened right now, you know, four months

657
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Speaker 2: before election. Because why we got to this stage. Why

658
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 2: are we here now where you can't be safe in

659
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Speaker 2: your own home, you can't be safe in the chotory.

660
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Speaker 2: And the answer is simply because the Labor government have failed.

661
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Speaker 1: Look, I do want to talk about the fact that

662
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Speaker 1: the Lord Mayor convat Scarless, well he really, you know,

663
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Speaker 1: got people quite concerned earlier in the week, specifically our

664
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Speaker 1: retailers earlier in the week, after saying that he thinks

665
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Speaker 1: security in the CBD are ineffective. He said he wants

666
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Speaker 1: police patrolling the city, not money being spent on security.

667
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Speaker 1: If you miss the Lord Mayor combat Scalus earlier in

668
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Speaker 1: the week, take a quick listen to some of what

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Speaker 1: he had to say.

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Speaker 11: If I've got security that does nothing. They look good,

671
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 11: they walk around and make you feel good, but they

672
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Speaker 11: can't more for the people if they're in the mall drinking,

673
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Speaker 11: which actually it's a policious possibility to kilometer low and

674
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Speaker 11: everywhere out the state in Australia is the policies from

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Speaker 11: the stricts, not security patrol.

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Speaker 1: So that is just part of what Corn had to

677
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: say earlier in the week. Now, Evil Laula joined us

678
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Speaker 1: on the show on Wednesday and said that security would

679
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Speaker 1: be continuing. But I tell you what, it had a

680
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Speaker 1: lot of the retailers really rather concerned because they don't

681
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Speaker 1: see that high visibility policing like we used to see

682
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Speaker 1: sort of in years gone by, and they are in

683
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Speaker 1: a situation where they really do need that support.

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Speaker 8: It's probably not so much to turn to you a

685
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 8: passer by or troublemakers, but it brings comfort to the

686
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 8: retailers knowing that there is some security there. So there's

687
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Speaker 8: probably two components to this. There's the yes, the deterrent factor. Yes,

688
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 8: there's security people here, therefore we better not do xos

689
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 8: it or we better go somewhere else. Plus it gives

690
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Speaker 8: comfort to the retailers knowing that security people are there.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I know sympathize with the retailers absolutely, but

692
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Speaker 6: the security and you know, the what's it called the.

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Speaker 9: Saw talk Yeah, Tia, no, no.

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Speaker 10: No.

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Speaker 9: Response, you do, and I think that's it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but all of those security guards are basically they've

697
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Speaker 6: been brought in to fill the holes left by a

698
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Speaker 6: shortage of police, right like that, that's the if we

699
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Speaker 6: look at the long term solution. The long term solution

700
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Speaker 6: is to have police doing that job. I mean in

701
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Speaker 6: the short term, yes, absolutely, I'm not saying take them.

702
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: Away, no, no, but they need to be there.

703
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: Does need to be that gap bridge really at this

704
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Speaker 1: point because again, like Joel said, just a moment ago,

705
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Speaker 1: we're trying to recruit two hundred extra police sixty eight

706
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Speaker 1: I believe the police minister and told us we're going

707
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Speaker 1: to be going to actually be graduating in July.

708
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Speaker 3: Or June, so not too far away. But again, it

709
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Speaker 3: is about bridging that gap between now and then.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm you know, I have to go back

711
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Speaker 2: to what eth earlier. Why have we got this far

712
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 2: down the path? Why would you have to hire security

713
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: because those costs have passed on. Remember it's not just

714
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: gets absorbed. The retailers have to put it into their leases,

715
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Speaker 2: into their pricing. It's just the cost of crimes have

716
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Speaker 2: you don't become a victim of crime yourself, and you're not.

717
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: Many people an't victim of crime anymore. But if you're not,

718
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Speaker 2: you still pay because you have to pay when you

719
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Speaker 2: go shopping, when you go insurance, when you go just

720
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Speaker 2: to buy anything, because the cost of crime spread right

721
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Speaker 2: across and allthern territory. And unfortunately we've come eight years

722
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Speaker 2: and sliding safety is getting seeper and seper.

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Speaker 1: While we are on this, I know that the hospitality

724
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Speaker 1: industry as well this morning have called for more to

725
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Speaker 1: be done to protect bottle shop workers, with key promises

726
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Speaker 1: made in the wake of the tragic depth of Deck

727
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: and Lavity yet to be delivered more than twelve months on.

728
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Speaker 1: So we know that one of those changes was obviously

729
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Speaker 1: the OCS spray being able to be utilized by security

730
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Speaker 1: guards to carry that capsicum OC spray.

731
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Speaker 3: Are we like, how far off are we from this

732
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Speaker 3: happening job?

733
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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's only been eighteen people who have

734
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Speaker 5: trained that in that course to be able and eligible

735
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 5: to use the oc spray, so it's not enough.

736
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Speaker 4: We need to do more in that space.

737
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Speaker 5: I think Brent Potter has been across this, but I've

738
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 5: spoken with Alex Bruce early in the piece when I

739
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Speaker 5: started in the Ministerial Portfolio of Hospitality, and this is

740
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 5: something that they call for and we're working through it.

741
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 4: We need to do better, we need to do more training,

742
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 4: we need to do it quicker.

743
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 5: It's like the constables that are going to graduate soon

744
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 5: in the police, what we need to get more of

745
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 5: them graduating. We've got to do more of this and

746
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 5: we've got to do it quicker so that we can

747
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 5: do the training. Because training doesn't just happen overnight. We

748
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 5: have to have people go through the course, get the qualification,

749
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 5: get the certific and then go either out as a

750
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 5: constable or as a training security officer who can use

751
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 5: OC spray.

752
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: This seems to be more of the same from labor cooming.

753
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: It might be a new slogan.

754
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: We need to do more.

755
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 9: We need do more, but you've had a better.

756
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 4: Quicker training you've had on the territorial lawless communities of

757
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: the security in the city. We are going to take

758
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: some reason convatsistas. They're not going to do it.

759
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: We will do it, and we will fund it because

760
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 5: that's what we'll do. Talking about people, we're talking about

761
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 5: the totality of looking at territories and making them feel safe.

762
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: We are going to take a very quick break. You

763
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: are listening to Mix one O four nine. It is

764
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: the week that was. Look still a few things to

765
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: discuss this.

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00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: Morning, but I do want to take you to a

767
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: story by Alex Tracy in the NT News a little

768
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: earlier this week, and the Northern Territory Chief Justice has

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Speaker 1: strongly criticized a decision by a local court judge to

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Speaker 1: give a slap on the wrist for an assault that

771
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Speaker 1: resulted in spinal injuries or spinal fractures, but found his

772
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: powerless to reverse it due to legislative changes. So last year,

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Speaker 1: Mark Murray, fifty nine, pleaded guilty to aggravated assault after

774
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Speaker 1: he pushed his victim three times to the chest, causing

775
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: the man to fall onto a pile of kecks. The

776
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: man sustained four fractures to his lumbar spine and bruising.

777
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Speaker 1: Now Judge David Woodroffe fined Murray and did not record

778
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Speaker 1: a conviction on the basis that Murray had no prior

779
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: convictions for violent offending, and that physical harm, as required

780
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Speaker 1: under Section one eight eighty two of the Criminal Code

781
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: Act of nineteen eighty three had not been established.

782
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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Director of Public Prosecutions appealed the decision on the

784
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: basis that the judge imposed a sentence contrary to the law,

785
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Speaker 1: in that Section seventy eight DC of the Sentencing Acts

786
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Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety five stipulated a mandatory minimum centus sentence

787
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Speaker 1: of actual imprisonment with a conviction to necessarily follow.

788
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 11: Now.

789
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: Last week, Supreme Court Justice Michael Grant ruled that although

790
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: the decision of his lower court colleague was nonsensical, remarkable,

791
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: and plainly wrong, he could not overturn it as Section

792
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: seventy eight DC was no longer in force, it being

793
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Speaker 1: superseded by the Sentencing and Other Legislation Amendment Act of

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00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two on March twenty five this year.

795
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: So this is clearly example of the labor government watering moment.

796
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: You're wading down.

797
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: The law and there's no We spoke about consequences here,

798
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: so there's no consequences. So now that seems to be

799
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: that you can assault someone where there's a physical injury

800
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: where it broken bones involved, and you can get a

801
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: no conviction in a bond. You know what messages that

802
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: sending people out there in the street, go your hardest,

803
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: which is absolutely clearly against the community expectation. Well, and

804
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: this comity cross into have you hurt someone, you should

805
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: be punished, and it.

806
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: Goes into, I guess the argument from some Territorians that

807
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: our courts are not sentencing adequately in some cases.

808
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 3: You know, for some people listening, that is what they'd

809
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: be thinking.

810
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 7: But that's not the case.

811
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 8: The case is that the Chief Justice couldn't do what

812
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 8: the community would want him to do and what is

813
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 8: sort of realistically shouldn't be done, but.

814
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: He couldn't because he was bound by the law.

815
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 9: Remember we make which the government change.

816
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: Courts only interpret the law, I think.

817
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 6: But in this case, in this case that the lower

818
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 6: court judge has not had his interpretation of the law,

819
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 6: if you give him the benefit of that, doubt was

820
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 6: completely out of whack. The law that existed at the

821
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 6: time was that there is a mandatary sentence of some

822
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 6: time imprisonment. This was introduced by the Henderson government back

823
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 6: in about twenty eleven when people were getting glassed in

824
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 6: Mitchell Street on a regular basis, and the law that

825
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 6: was brought in the legislation introduced at the time was

826
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 6: that if you commit an assault causing serious harm, you

827
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 6: must serve some time of imprisonment. Now what has happened

828
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 6: in this case is that despite that law being in

829
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 6: place at the time, the lower court judge has said.

830
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 9: Oh no, no, no, no no, I'm not going to

831
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 9: do that, and so then it's gone.

832
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 6: Then the Chief Justice has had to look at it

833
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 6: and gone, this is nonsenical, et cetera, et cetera. But

834
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 6: in between the lower court dealing with it and getting

835
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 6: to the Supreme Court and the Chief Justice, who's obviously

836
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 6: quite sensible about these things, there's been a change in

837
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 6: that legislation. That mandatory sentencing that was introduced by the

838
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 6: Henderson government has been removed by this government.

839
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 9: Now what you're seeing, well, I think.

840
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 6: This really illustrates why we end up with mandatory sentencing,

841
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 6: right because people get outraged when they see a case

842
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 6: like that and they see someone who is not convicted,

843
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 6: who is not given a custodial sentence after committing such

844
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 6: a serious crime. And in this case, even though the

845
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 6: mandatory sentence was there. The judge didn't implement that. And

846
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 6: that's why you know, judges, I mean, lawyers are the

847
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 6: first ones to bar up streaming mad apart from this

848
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 6: one sitting next to me, when you discuss mandatory sentencing.

849
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 6: But I think they probably need to have a little

850
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 6: bit of a look in the mirror sometimes and say, well,

851
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 6: if you wonder why mandatory sentencing gets introduced by governments

852
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 6: and both strives, it's because of cases like this, and.

853
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 5: The judicial interpretation is the issue here in coming in

854
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 5: question with the lower court interpretation of one eight two

855
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 5: on harm and harm cause has been made by the judge. Yes,

856
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 5: the Chief Justices said it's nonsensical that decision, but that

857
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 5: was the interpretation of that judge at the time.

858
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 6: But if you go back to I remember when this

859
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 6: legislation was first introduced, it was about twenty ten or

860
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Speaker 6: twenty eleven, and it was that you had to serve

861
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 6: an actual term in custody, right if you were convicted

862
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 6: of a serial months or something.

863
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 9: No, no, no, it was just a term. There wasn't.

864
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 6: It wasn't and that was the issue because it wasn't given.

865
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Speaker 6: What was happening was that magistrates as they were at

866
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 6: the time, were just sentencing the person to the rest

867
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Speaker 6: of the day in the cells.

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Speaker 9: I'll go and go and sit downstairs. That's your term

869
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 9: of imprisonment.

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Speaker 6: At four o'clock you can live, you know, because there's

871
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 6: this tension between the courts and the Parliament. Now, the

872
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 6: courts are supposed to enact the laws that the Parliament make,

873
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 6: but they've been sort of trying to wriggle around them.

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00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: Well, and let's not forget the Parliament makes those laws

875
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: based on, you know, what territorians think is appropriate, and

876
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of those times, those different

877
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: laws do need to be changed, as you'd said, Matt

878
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: back when Paul Henderson was the Chief Minister, because the

879
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: community is screaming out for it. I mean, every politician

880
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: is elected by your electorates to listen to Territorians, to

881
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: listen to what they're saying. So, you know, while you

882
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: then may have the judiciary at different times not necessarily agree.

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Speaker 3: With some of that legislation, it is there because that

884
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 3: is what the people have asked for sure.

885
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 2: In this case, is not the actual judge got it wrong,

886
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: because the CJ said he plainly got it wrong and

887
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: his words. But the issue here is between the time

888
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 2: and the original decision was there and the appeal going

889
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: to the court, which could have taken a year, the

890
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: law was changed by the Labor government, so he couldn't

891
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: enforce the law. So the Chief Justice couldn't go back

892
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: and say the lower court got it wrong, so I'm

893
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: going to make it right.

894
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: Because the Labor.

895
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: Government changed the law, watered down the consequences, made it

896
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: easy for these offenders to get away without any consequence.

897
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: Is that's the issue in itiation is something that the

898
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: government needs to go back and relook at so we're

899
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: not in a situation like this again.

900
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 5: This case, it's specifics. I'm not across the totally. I've

901
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 5: only seen it come up in the media. But the

902
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 5: term in one eighty eight to two in the Criminal

903
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 5: Code is about harm and causing harm. It's a bit

904
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 5: like the reasonable person test, and clearly the judge of

905
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 5: the lower Court has deemed that not appropriate and therefore

906
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 5: not a sentence to be in prison. The Chief Justice

907
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 5: said it's nonsensical. I think what we can do is

908
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 5: go away and have a look at this and talk

909
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 5: with the Chief Justice and get some advice on it.

910
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 5: The interpretation of the judiciary confounds people a lot of

911
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 5: the time. And I actually look further afield at Roe

912
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 5: versus Wade. In the United States, we're a change in

913
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 5: the Supreme Court has seen that overturn since nineteen seventy

914
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 5: two around women's rights and abortion, and that's changed the

915
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 5: entire landscape in the United States where the next election

916
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 5: could be fought and won or loss on Rover.

917
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 9: The question.

918
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 6: The question here is whether like the Ant Labor government

919
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 6: has clearly undone what the Henderson Labor government did in

920
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 6: twenty eleven, and they have removed the mandatory sentence for

921
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 6: a serious assault causing harm. And the question I guess

922
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 6: for the government was was that the right thing to do.

923
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 6: Should there be a mandatory sentence, a mandatory term of

924
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 6: imprisonment for someone who commits a serious assault causing physical harm,

925
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 6: regardless of the interpretation of the judge. But let's presume

926
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 6: that the judge agrees that physical harm was caused in

927
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 6: that case, should someone face a mandatory term of imprisonment?

928
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 5: And I haven't read the ruling, so I don't know

929
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 5: whether Judge Woodwood has agreed that under one eight two

930
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 5: harm has been the judge.

931
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 6: That the judge Jude Woodward's assessment was that the spinal

932
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 6: fractures suffered by the victim I think did not amount

933
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 6: to serious harm.

934
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 9: And that's that's where the Chief Justice has say, yeah,

935
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 9: that's right. But that's that's a question for the judge.

936
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 6: The question for the government is whether there should be

937
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 6: a mandatory sentencing where physical harm is found.

938
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 5: And clearly, in repealing that element of seventy eight DC,

939
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 5: we've removed mandatory sentencing from that.

940
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 4: Huh.

941
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 9: That's the question is whether that yes, because that's what

942
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 9: we did.

943
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: But why like why would you then remove that mandatory

944
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: sentencing for somebody who's physically assaulted somebody to the point

945
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: of injury.

946
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: So the argument about manager seting has been as long.

947
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: Even it's a minimum mandatory sentencing, So like Matt had

948
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: said earlier, you know, they could literally put someone in

949
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: jail for half the day, but it's still a minimum

950
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: mandatory sentence. I mean, if somebody is physically harmed and

951
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: injured as a result of an assault, a lot of

952
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: people listening would think, well, that should result in a

953
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: mandatory sentence of some sort.

954
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, So the manager sentence has been repealed in this case.

955
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 5: The judge is found that harm wasn't constituted under one ada.

956
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: I will just say that, according to to Chief Justice Grant,

957
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: Judge Woodroff circumvented the mandatory minimum by telling the court

958
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: he would read down ie narrow the scope of interpretation

959
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: to avoid infringing other principles the section, as courts have

960
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: a lawful discretion in sentencing.

961
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: See, that's not the issue. This issue here is that

962
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: the CJ said the lower court got it wrong, plainly

963
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: wrong with thing his words. So let's put that behind us.

964
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: What the issue is here is that the Labor gument

965
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: in the meantime has changed law and taken away that

966
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: managary sentencing, which I say and the CELP say, is

967
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: the community and we commit to bring that back. So

968
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: they used to make it very clear that if the

969
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: Colps elected in August, we are going to reinstate those

970
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: lords about the managory minimum sentencing because we feel that

971
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: is what the community expectation is and that's all we

972
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: get elected to do, to represent the community and bring

973
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: their views into Parliament make those views of law. If

974
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: Labor government have clearly failed he because they've changed it.

975
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: They made it easier to get away with during a

976
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: crime and hurting someone.

977
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 8: I find it staggering that the lower court judge believed

978
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 8: the fracturing spine, fracturing vertebrae was not serious. Like, how

979
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 8: would he like being pushed three times into a pile

980
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 8: of rocks or a pile of beer barrels or whatever.

981
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 8: Maybe he needs to get out into the real world

982
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 8: and have a look at people who have been damaged

983
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 8: by physical assault and left with not only physical scars,

984
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 8: but perhaps emotional scars.

985
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: As a previous lawyer, I wanted to speak out of

986
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: shot bit, but ultimately it's for the lawyers to present

987
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: that evidence to the judge. Remember, the judge doesn't go

988
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: away and do its own investigations. The judges to the

989
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: barn says, you forgive me the evidence. I'll make a decision.

990
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: I don't know that, But it's up to the lawyers

991
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: on both sides to present and make cases to the judge.

992
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very

993
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: short break. You are listening to Mix one O four

994
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: nine's three sixty. It is the week that was before

995
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: we wrap up for the morning well targeting culling of

996
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: saltwater crocodiles, that's going to resume in the Northern Territory,

997
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: with the government stopping short of mass culls in their

998
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: new ten year plan to manage the saltwater crocodiles.

999
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: Bring it on color, I mean, is it enough?

1000
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 9: Targeted culoring is not really a color culing though?

1001
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 4: Is it like that?

1002
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 9: The whole idea of culling is that it's not.

1003
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: It'll be twelve hundred can be killed each year, up

1004
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: from three hundred under the previous plant. There's no doubt

1005
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: that there is an enormous population of crocodiles.

1006
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 8: It feels like it doesn't a hundred thousand in our

1007
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 8: way now week. Jared grew up here, I grew up here.

1008
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 8: You grew up here else Alice Springs or Jared and I.

1009
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 8: There are places we swim as kids around Millner's Creek,

1010
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 8: King's Creek.

1011
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 9: Seeing pictures from like the Daily and Mary people swimming.

1012
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 8: And the fact is in the what is it fifty

1013
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 8: years that there's been no culing, no whatever, that the

1014
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 8: population numbers have grown and those that are old, well

1015
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 8: youngest crocodiles then and now very old big crocodiles. And

1016
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 8: what happens is when the rivers get full figuratively speaking

1017
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 8: of male crocodiles, they move further afield the young males

1018
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 8: to set up their own patch.

1019
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 4: And that's part of the targeted color.

1020
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1021
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: So the fact is we need to have Yes, I

1022
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 3: do that for tourism. John.

1023
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 8: The problem with that, Katie, interesting proposition is we can

1024
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 8: have safari hunting. The problem is the hunter can't take

1025
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 8: the skull or any of the remains out of the

1026
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 8: country because crocodiles are on the Sciety's list of protection.

1027
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 8: So we can have culing and we can have safari

1028
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 8: hunting tomorrow with proper legislation et cetera, et cetera, and ethics.

1029
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: Look, I don't know that people would agree. I just

1030
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: thought too thought, I don't know.

1031
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 7: I don't know out there who are interested. It's like

1032
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 7: people who are interested in shooting the five hundred caliber bullets.

1033
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 8: You know, over two kilometers. There are people there, hunters

1034
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 8: from particularly Germany America that would come for safari hunting

1035
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 8: because you can I.

1036
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 5: Jump in that people are interested about catching the million

1037
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 5: dollar fish, and I'm going to be well.

1038
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 7: They're not very good at it, are they?

1039
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: Because like to see a million dollar pig hunts as well. Yes,

1040
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 3: what about that.

1041
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 8: No, I agree with that, that would be fabulous, But

1042
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 8: I think it's as long as it's done properly. And

1043
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 8: I'm sure the government whoever's done this strategy has looked

1044
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 8: at the culling and yeah, say yeah, bring it on,

1045
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 8: make our community safer in the waterways.

1046
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: It's just another example of the government have failed to

1047
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: manage to be.

1048
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 3: Ere.

1049
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: Long were used to every time the Labor government said

1050
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: the chaos and dysfunction of the seal, we had to

1051
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: like spell our coffee.

1052
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 3: So now it's.

1053
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 9: What are you doing this weekend? Because the.

1054
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 5: Fishing on the daily with the darw And Game Fishing

1055
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 5: Club and stuff for the juniors.

1056
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 7: On make sure you don't fall out of the boat

1057
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 7: and get it from the backlas. Too many of them

1058
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 7: we need to cull them.

1059
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 3: Well, look we are going to have to leave it there.

1060
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, the Deputy Opposition leader and here for the

1061
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: Seal Peace.

1062
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time this morning, Thanks Katie, Thanks

1063
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: for listeners.

1064
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you for your time,

1065
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: Thanks Wolf Independent, Keisy Appearodic, thank you and a.

1066
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 8: Shout out to the cool Pina Volunteer Fire Brigade they've

1067
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 8: got their thirtieth birthday anniversary this Sunday. I have to

1068
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 8: do golf club. Lots of fun things for kids and

1069
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 8: that stuff. Yeah, it'll be a nice day. Plus you

1070
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 8: have to do golf club. And I've got nice bistro

1071
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 8: there and I don't know nice green grasses.

1072
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 9: So he wants to do.

1073
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: What to do?

1074
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: Playground getting built and.

1075
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: Of course for the from the Labor Party and the

1076
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: Minister for Tourism and various other portfolios.

1077
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 5: Thank you on the Minister for oz kick which starts

1078
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 5: Saturday nine am at the Nightcliff Middle School.

1079
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 4: So this Saturday nine am and if you just want

1080
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 4: to have a kick of the foot, he come down.

1081
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 5: We're running a kicking clinic from nine am Nightcliffe Middle School.

1082
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: A littleis went there when they were much younger. It

1083
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: was good fun.

1084
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: It's good fun, the bloody brilliant good stuff. Well, thank

1085
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 1: you all so much for your time this morning.