WEBVTT - Freddie Mercury & Jim Hutton – A match made in a nightclub called Heaven

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<v Speaker 1>Hooked, Hitched and Hung Up acknowledges the traditional custodians of

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<v Speaker 1>Islander peoples today. This episode was recorded on Walla Medical Land.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a heads up, guys, this episode's got a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of spicy language in it, so it might not be

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<v Speaker 1>the episode if you've got little ones around.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Hooked, Hitched, and Hung Up, the show where

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<v Speaker 2>we take you inside the spiciest celebrity relationship stories of

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<v Speaker 2>our time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Laura Burn and I'm Britney Hockley.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is one of the greatest rock stars of

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<v Speaker 2>all time, a story that everybody knows a bit about,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe doesn't know everything about. We're talking about Queen's frontman, Freddie.

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<v Speaker 1>Mercury, who doesn't love Freddie Mercury.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, a lot of us might be familiar with the

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<v Speaker 2>story of Mary, his first big relationship, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>a real important parts. So we're kind of doing this

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<v Speaker 2>episode in two parts because we're talking about Mary, because

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<v Speaker 2>the relationship never really ends but we're also talking about

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<v Speaker 2>another very big relationship from Freddy's life with the person

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<v Speaker 2>that he was with when his life came to.

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<v Speaker 1>An end, and that is Jim Hutton.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, now, this episode we are unpacking Freddy Mercury's

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<v Speaker 2>love life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tumultuous love life, that's the way that I

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<v Speaker 1>would use.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there's some really like heartbreaking moments throughout his

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<v Speaker 2>life as well. And I think the thing that's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>about this episode is that on the other episodes we

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<v Speaker 2>have picked truly one relationship, We've gone on a deep

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<v Speaker 2>dive on one person. But because Freddie Mercury's life has

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<v Speaker 2>been so intertwined with a number of people, and more

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<v Speaker 2>so Mary, who's the woman who he started his relationships with.

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<v Speaker 2>She was his very first fiance and he calls her

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<v Speaker 2>the love of his life. She comes up throughout this

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<v Speaker 2>whole story. So even though this is suppose to be

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<v Speaker 2>an episode about Freddie Mercury and Jim Hutton, it truly

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<v Speaker 2>is a story of just Freddie Mercury's love life in

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<v Speaker 2>total as a whole. As a whole, but also I

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<v Speaker 2>think for us to be able to start his story

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<v Speaker 2>and to really give you an idea of who he

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<v Speaker 2>is as a person.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to start at the beginning. That's generally where

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<v Speaker 1>we start our stories, isn't it, Laura.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're going all the way back to the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>to where he was born, so like the very further

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<v Speaker 2>womb once upon a time when Freddie Mercury was an embryo.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we're gonna go back all the way. Could you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine him dancing around as an emberor would have been

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<v Speaker 1>wild in there? Well? Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Freddie Mercury was born in nineteen forty six in Stonetown,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a part of Zanzibar now we know of

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<v Speaker 2>it as Tanzania.

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<v Speaker 1>East Africa. His childhood was.

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<v Speaker 2>So colorful and so rich in different cultures. When he

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<v Speaker 2>was born, he wasn't called Freddie Mercury, so his original

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<v Speaker 2>birth name.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Faroke Bulsara.

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<v Speaker 2>Freddy's parents are passy people of western India and they

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<v Speaker 2>moved to Zanzibar for Freddy's father's work before he was even.

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<v Speaker 1>Born as a child, was he always like a musical prodigy?

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<v Speaker 1>Was he doing music as a kid or did he

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<v Speaker 1>come into that later in life?

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<v Speaker 2>So he was taking piano lessons by the age of

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<v Speaker 2>seven and was already very musically inclined as a little kid.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was eight years old, Freddy was shipped off

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<v Speaker 2>and out of his family home to a boarding school

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like a British style boys boarding school

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<v Speaker 2>in India. He joined a band when he was in

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<v Speaker 2>this British boys boarding school. Say that ten times fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Banned in the British boys boarding school, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>called the Hectics, where he played rock and roll covers.

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<v Speaker 1>I did read that when he was at boarding school,

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<v Speaker 1>his friends used to to say that he had this

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<v Speaker 1>uncanny ability to listen to the radio and replay immediately

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<v Speaker 1>what he heard on the piano, like some people were

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<v Speaker 1>just naturally inclined that way. So he was just born

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<v Speaker 1>as like a child prodigy, I guess, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, also at this time when he was in the

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<v Speaker 2>y the Hectics band, so this is when he started

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<v Speaker 2>to go by.

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<v Speaker 1>The name Freddie, but not by Freddie Mercury, just Freddy.

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<v Speaker 2>So in nineteen sixty four, the next year, just after

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<v Speaker 2>Freddy had moved back to live with his parents in Zanzibar,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole family moved to England. They've immigrated to the

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<v Speaker 2>UK as him being a sixteen year old boy, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's always been in this very creative field. He got

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<v Speaker 2>a diploma in graphic design. He also went on to

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<v Speaker 2>do a couple of different little bands. Like music was

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<v Speaker 2>always there and it was always his passion, but it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't what he went into with the intention of that

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<v Speaker 2>being his long term career.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's doing all these little bands, but is this

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<v Speaker 1>what's bringing him money? Like were these bands successful or

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<v Speaker 1>was he? I mean at the corner store, Like, how

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<v Speaker 1>is Freddie surviving at this time?

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<v Speaker 2>He's not out there cracking big money from doing music,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was working in a secondhand Edwardian clothing store.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like the old Royal era, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at my producers like they're not in, not

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<v Speaker 1>in Yeah, yeah, okay, we're right, Were's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why this store, though, is very important is

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<v Speaker 2>because that's where he met Roger Taylor. So Roger Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>would go on to become Queen's drummer. So in nineteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 2>Freddy joined the band Smile. He joined Roger Taylor and

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<v Speaker 2>Brian May's band as the lead singer.

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<v Speaker 1>I always get down his rabbit hole of like, how

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<v Speaker 1>crazy it is that the universe put these two people

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<v Speaker 1>together out of everyone in the world. Freddie's working at

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<v Speaker 1>a secondhand clothing store, Edwardian Clothing Store, where he happens

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<v Speaker 1>to meet someone called Roger Taylor. Combined they become the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest band of all time. What if he didn't take

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<v Speaker 1>that job, what would have happened? Would Queen have existed?

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows? You know what I always think.

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<v Speaker 2>I always feel sorry for the person who was the

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<v Speaker 2>previous singer, who was like, fuck this band, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to go do something else, so I'm going to frown.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god.

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<v Speaker 2>That was so in nineteen seventy one, that is when

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<v Speaker 2>they're bassist John Deacon joined Smile as well, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was shortly after that that Freddie put it out there

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<v Speaker 2>that he thought that the name Smile maybe it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really represent what the band or the direction that the

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<v Speaker 2>band was going in, and he floated the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>the name Queen. Around the same time, Freddy also legally

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<v Speaker 2>changed his name, so he changed his surname to Mercury,

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<v Speaker 2>which was taken from his own song that he'd written,

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<v Speaker 2>which was called My Fairy King. And that is how

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<v Speaker 2>Freddie Mercury was born.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember it. This wasn't a straight to the top

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<v Speaker 1>path for Queen. It wasn't like they were born. They

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<v Speaker 1>started a band and then they were number one because

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<v Speaker 1>they came to Australia in nineteen seventy four and they

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<v Speaker 1>played at the Sunbury Pop Festival. They were actually like

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<v Speaker 1>booed off the stage by the audience. People weren't frothing them.

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<v Speaker 1>Freddie turned around to the crowd and he said, when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back to Australia, Queen will be the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>band in the world. And I am sorry, but we

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<v Speaker 1>all need a little bit of Freddy's confidence to be

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<v Speaker 1>booed off the stage and be like I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>come back at number one in the world. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we can all learn something from that too. You were

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<v Speaker 1>about believing in yourself. I mean, Australia's always a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit behind the times, aren't we. Well he really did

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<v Speaker 1>stick to his word, because they did become the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>band of all time, and they started touring, playing till

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of thousands of people at a time, and they

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<v Speaker 1>started partying so hard like they were to find rock stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Elton John actually even said that Queen could out party,

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<v Speaker 1>even him at the time. And that's saying something because

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<v Speaker 1>Elton John was pretty wild. I mean, we've all seen

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<v Speaker 1>Elton John's movie as well. I mean that was that

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<v Speaker 1>said something.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is a quote from NME Music magazine which

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<v Speaker 2>says Queen were well known in the industry for the

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<v Speaker 2>outrageous shindigs. Most notably was the jazz launch party at

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<v Speaker 2>the New Orleans Fairmount Hotel in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Which featured wholesome delights.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the wholesome delights, Brittany, including nude waiters and waitresses,

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<v Speaker 2>a fellow biting heads off live chickens.

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<v Speaker 1>What naked models wrestling in a liver pit? What is

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<v Speaker 1>a liver pit? I'm assuming a pit of liver.

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<v Speaker 2>And people sworning around with trays of cocaine strapped to them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all for a party, but this is not my

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<v Speaker 1>kind of party. This is like animal cruelty. Maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>could get around like like fine with people strapped with cocaine. No,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the nude waiters and waitresses mabably not at their

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<v Speaker 1>dialok like chantining tainum. I don't know. I have questions,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, the rest of that is wild.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't this just crazy that this sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>behavior is like synonymous with mega starret and partying.

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<v Speaker 1>There are no rules for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we need to backtrack a little bit in order

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you the story about Mary. She plays such

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<v Speaker 2>a huge part in Freddie's life. Throughout his whole life,

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<v Speaker 2>Freddie was very private as well. Whilst he was obviously

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<v Speaker 2>a very public figure and very loved around the world,

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<v Speaker 2>he cherished a lot of his private life. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think she actually meant a lot more to him than

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<v Speaker 2>we probably saw. They just had something that was completely

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<v Speaker 2>different but really really profound to them that maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people didn't understand in the long term. But

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<v Speaker 2>let's get back to how they actually met and what

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<v Speaker 2>happened at the start. So Mary Austin and Freddie met

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<v Speaker 2>when she was nineteen and he was twenty four, so

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<v Speaker 2>their relationship progressed really really quickly. They were soon living

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<v Speaker 2>together in a flat near Kensington Market, which is where

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<v Speaker 2>Freddie and Roger worked at the Edwardian costume store. And

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<v Speaker 2>then four years later, in nineteen seventy three, Freddie proposed

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<v Speaker 2>in what is I mean? It's a very unique lovely

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<v Speaker 2>way of proposing, and he kind of had like a

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<v Speaker 2>bush good dole of presence.

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<v Speaker 1>For her unique and lovely way proposing is subjective. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really setting a special mood.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a special moment, and I have a special

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<v Speaker 2>gift for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait here, Freddy, what is that? Well it's quite clearly

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<v Speaker 1>a box, Darling. What's ridiculous? Why is it so big?

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<v Speaker 1>See what's inside? Oh it's just another box. Oh that's right. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>see what's inside that box? Another box? You're taking the piers,

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<v Speaker 1>Keep going, Darling, Freddy, it's beautiful inside.

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<v Speaker 2>The final small little box was an engagement ring made

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<v Speaker 2>out of jade, which I love. That is something different,

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<v Speaker 2>not a diamond.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that they got together and Mary fell in

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<v Speaker 1>love with him before he famous. He was just in

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<v Speaker 1>a little apartment. He didn't have the money yet, he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the fame. She just loved him for who

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<v Speaker 1>he was, and he grew into that and she grew

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<v Speaker 1>with him. And I think that's why their love lasted

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<v Speaker 1>so many years, because they knew each other and they

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<v Speaker 1>had a foundation. And I guess, Freddie, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>so hard if you had that level of fame to

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<v Speaker 1>trust people. And I think you would question everyone that

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<v Speaker 1>came into your life. Everyone has an ulterior motive. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>wants something for you. He was holding onto something and

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<v Speaker 1>someone that he could trust wholeheartedly because she was there

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning. So I think that's a really beautiful thing.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, she thought he was heterosexual, like she

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<v Speaker 2>thought that they were in a long term They're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be in a heterosexual relationship. But Mary started to

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<v Speaker 2>realize either he wasn't aware of his own sexuality yet,

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't ready to admit what his sexuality was, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was a like it didn't line up, and she

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<v Speaker 2>was suspicious of it. And it was Mary who was

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<v Speaker 2>the one who who brought it up with Freddie and

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I think you are bisexual. So from all reports,

0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.839
<v Speaker 2>it was Mary who pushed Freddy to have those conversations

0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.040
<v Speaker 2>and who pushed Freddy to be more transparent around his sexuality.

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<v Speaker 2>There is actually an interview which came from Enemy magazine,

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<v Speaker 2>and the interviewer asked Freddy at the time, so how

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<v Speaker 2>about being bent. This was in nineteen seventy four, so

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<v Speaker 2>it was not long after Mary and Freddy had actually

0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.119
<v Speaker 2>gotten engaged. So even though he was living this heterosexual

0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.240
<v Speaker 2>life with a fiance, there was still some speculation and

0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.280
<v Speaker 2>rumor around what his sexuality was.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine an interviewer asking anyone, oh, you would verien age,

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<v Speaker 1>how about being bent? As a question, you'd never It's

0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:38.079
<v Speaker 1>so invasive and outrageous that somebody could think that they're

0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:41.680
<v Speaker 1>entitled to that information from someone different world, different world

0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.240
<v Speaker 1>and different time. And Freddie's response to that was, you.

0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Were a crafty cow. Let's put it this way. There's

0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.719
<v Speaker 2>times when I was young and green. It's a thing

0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.480
<v Speaker 2>schoolboys go through. I've had my share of schoolboy pranks.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to elaborate any further. There have been

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<v Speaker 2>some other reports that have come out where Freddy has

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<v Speaker 2>commented that that is where his first sexual experiences happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But imagine being in Mary's position, where you've just gotten

0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.160
<v Speaker 2>engaged and there's these speculations around your partner's sexuality and

0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:10.800
<v Speaker 2>whether they're being transparent with you or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I also love his answers. They're always so ambiguous, Like

0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.240
<v Speaker 1>he's like, he gives an answer, but you're like, I

0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.640
<v Speaker 1>don't you finished the conversation. You're like, don't actually know

0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.520
<v Speaker 1>what he said. You're like, you didn't answer anything. He

0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.680
<v Speaker 1>could have been. A politician or a musician is what

0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:22.319
<v Speaker 1>he could have been.

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<v Speaker 2>It's believed that Freddy started secretly dating men towards the

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<v Speaker 2>end of his relationship with Mary, so there was some

0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.319
<v Speaker 2>overlap there. And obviously if you're being cheated on, that's

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<v Speaker 2>when Mary started to feel suspicious that something was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yes, if you're partnersheating on you with men, you

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<v Speaker 1>would be suspicious as well.

0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.480
<v Speaker 2>You'd be right, you'd be suspicious anyway. Like if it

0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.400
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter who, what the sex of the partner is,

0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.320
<v Speaker 2>if there's cheating going on, you usually can sense that

0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.680
<v Speaker 2>something has shifted. I just want to read this one quote,

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<v Speaker 2>which was from two thousand and interview with Okay magazine,

0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.800
<v Speaker 2>and Mary said, I told him something is going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just feel like there is a noose around

0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.439
<v Speaker 2>my neck. I think it's time for me to go.

0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.960
<v Speaker 2>But he insisted nothing wrong. Then his life rocketed, the

0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.400
<v Speaker 2>band got successful. Things were never going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>same after that, and that's when our relationship cooled. I

0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.920
<v Speaker 2>felt that he was avoiding any confrontation with me. When

0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I came home from work, he just wouldn't be there.

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<v Speaker 2>He would come in late we weren't as close as

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<v Speaker 2>what we had been in the past. That was the

0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:20.360
<v Speaker 2>time when everything coincided, his career was going gangbusters and

0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.720
<v Speaker 2>their relationship was starting to fizzle.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it must be so hard to be living

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<v Speaker 1>I guess a lie like living a relationship for Freddie,

0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.800
<v Speaker 1>he obviously loved Mary very very much, but not in

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<v Speaker 1>the way that he wanted from a partner. It must

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<v Speaker 1>be really, really hard to feel like you can't live

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<v Speaker 1>your true life and be your authentic self. And he

0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.600
<v Speaker 1>would have felt like he was trapped in a box,

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<v Speaker 1>like how do you break away from that? And it's

0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.800
<v Speaker 1>not even a normal situation. You have to break away

0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.440
<v Speaker 1>from that and find out who you are and what

0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.280
<v Speaker 1>you want in front of the entire world. I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the pressure that he would have felt.

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<v Speaker 2>Mary went to Freddy and said, I'll never forget that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember saying to him, no, fred I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that you're bisexual.

0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that you were gay.

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<v Speaker 2>That quote is from an interview that Mary actually did

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<v Speaker 2>with The Daily Mail. Mary also remembers that it was

0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.240
<v Speaker 2>an affirming moment for Freddy as well, because Freddie went

0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.480
<v Speaker 2>on to say it felt good about being able to

0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.280
<v Speaker 2>finally have revealed his bisexuality to someone. So it was

0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.280
<v Speaker 2>almost for him like this huge weight had been lifted

0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.280
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't have to live a lie to the

0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.200
<v Speaker 2>person who he loved the most in the world. And eventually,

0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.480
<v Speaker 2>which is the craziest part of this whole story, is

0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.800
<v Speaker 2>that Mary moved out. So Mary moved out of their

0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.640
<v Speaker 2>shared apartment, but she moved out to a place that

0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.800
<v Speaker 2>was only just around the corner because he wanted her

0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.080
<v Speaker 2>to stay close to him. So Mary told Okay Magazine,

0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Eventually I found a place nearby which he wanted me

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<v Speaker 2>to have. It was perfect for a single person such

0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.440
<v Speaker 2>as myself. His music publishing company bought it for me

0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.040
<v Speaker 2>for thirty thousand pounds.

0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:47.800
<v Speaker 1>So he bought her a house and they lived down

0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the road. And I think that this is just such

0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.200
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful thing to say that, Okay, the romantic side

0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.720
<v Speaker 1>has ended, but we still love each other. And Mary said,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing which was always constant was the love. We

0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.760
<v Speaker 1>knew we could trust each other and we were safe

0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.280
<v Speaker 1>with it each other. We knew that we could never

0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.600
<v Speaker 1>hurt each other on purpose. That was from Okay Magazine

0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.080
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand. But I think that that's just a

0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.480
<v Speaker 1>really beautiful thing to say. We still trust each other

0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and we've got each other's back and we always will.

0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.040
<v Speaker 2>This is hook hitched and hung up, and we are

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<v Speaker 2>digging into the great loves of Freddie Mercury, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most iconic rock stars of our time. Now, we've

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<v Speaker 2>been talking a fair bit about Freddie's relationship with Mary Austin,

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<v Speaker 2>but we've reached the time in his life where he

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<v Speaker 2>started to date more and more men. So firstly, there

0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.200
<v Speaker 2>was a man named David Mins. They lived together in

0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.960
<v Speaker 2>an apartment that Freddie bought, and it's believed that Freddie

0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.680
<v Speaker 2>wrote the very famous song which is You Take My

0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Breath Away and good old fashioned lover Boys about this man. Now,

0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.840
<v Speaker 2>that relationship didn't last all that long because he, like

0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I said, wanted to keep it private. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that there's this reoccurring theme in Freddie's relationships where he

0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.160
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to publish we talk about or acknowledge his relationships,

0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.800
<v Speaker 2>and his partners become quite upset by that and it

0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.760
<v Speaker 2>becomes a tension point in their relationships. He then also

0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.840
<v Speaker 2>goes on to date Vince the Barman. It's a bit

0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.760
<v Speaker 2>of an interesting one, because you would think that the

0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:18.160
<v Speaker 2>world's biggest superstar wanting to date you and then saying

0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.400
<v Speaker 2>come with me on tour. Vince the Barman turned around

0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.720
<v Speaker 2>and said, I'm not going to come on tour with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to quit my job and sacrifice my

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<v Speaker 2>life to come and slot into your life and do

0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.160
<v Speaker 2>what you want to do, because you're probably just going

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<v Speaker 2>to drop me six months later.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, isn't It's crazy to think that you'd say

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<v Speaker 1>no toe someone saying give up your bard job to

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<v Speaker 1>come travel the world with me and see the riches,

0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and you're like mad, Rather do you? I'd rather say yeah.

0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:43.920
<v Speaker 1>He probably did know that he was just going to

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<v Speaker 1>dump him in six months time.

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<v Speaker 2>So after this is a period where Freddie dates Winnie

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<v Speaker 2>Kirschberger and he is a German restauranteur. I guess that

0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.360
<v Speaker 2>this is a really significant one because after dating Mary,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the first person that Freddie says was his

0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.920
<v Speaker 2>deep love. He would call Winnie his husband, even though

0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.560
<v Speaker 2>obviously gay marriage was illegal at that time. He wrote

0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a Hard Life about Winnie Kirschberger, and they lived

0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.080
<v Speaker 2>together for three years. Freddy also bought Winnie a flat

0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:12.240
<v Speaker 2>there's a real theme of.

0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.720
<v Speaker 1>I love you have a flat. Hey, here's another flat,

0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:16.439
<v Speaker 1>live by me. Here's another one. He might have just

0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.400
<v Speaker 1>had like a compound where all his ex lovers lived

0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.520
<v Speaker 1>in flats on the farm. That would have been ideal.

0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Happens on a big padding somewhere else. I just love

0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:27.680
<v Speaker 1>you all. They didn't last long. They ended up breaking

0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.240
<v Speaker 1>up because apparently there was just too much difficulty with

0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.800
<v Speaker 1>the language barrier because he was German, and I think

0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.080
<v Speaker 1>that is a big deal. If you can't openly communicate,

0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.159
<v Speaker 1>I guess that is the demise of the relationship. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what Freddy says happened in that relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Next in the line of relationships was one that was

0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:45.680
<v Speaker 2>a very problematic. So Freddy dated a man named Bill

0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.919
<v Speaker 2>Reid in nineteen eighty two. This was an explosive, volatile,

0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.000
<v Speaker 2>terrible relationship, and there was also assault that happened in

0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.959
<v Speaker 2>this relationship. Bill actually bit Freddy on the hand and

0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Freddie ended up in hospital with the like the Bible,

0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.359
<v Speaker 2>So it must have been bad enough to end up

0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.680
<v Speaker 2>in hospital. There was reports that before a big performance

0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.960
<v Speaker 2>on Saturday Night Live, Freddy and Bill had been at

0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.240
<v Speaker 2>it screaming at each other, like yelling at each other

0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.280
<v Speaker 2>so much that Freddy had completely lost his voice, and

0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.880
<v Speaker 2>that he then had to steam his voice for hours

0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:19.680
<v Speaker 2>before the show in order to be able to get

0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:21.359
<v Speaker 2>his voice back to be able to perform. So it

0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:25.280
<v Speaker 2>just sounds like this relationship that happened was terribly volatile

0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and really toxic.

0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.320
<v Speaker 1>What is it, Freddie? You guys are running ten? Oh

0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.680
<v Speaker 1>my god? Why is this so steaming? Here?

0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>My voice?

0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Also?

0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I need more lemon and money. What's that smell? It's

0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the oils of all of us? What the hell is

0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:49.080
<v Speaker 1>that ol of us? It's a dick congestant love from

0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.359
<v Speaker 1>the chemist? Does it work? Well? Damn well? Hope. So

0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I think what we're establishing is that Freddie's lost his

0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.280
<v Speaker 1>voice and he's doing everything he can to steam it

0:18:58.320 --> 0:18:59.760
<v Speaker 1>and get it better so he can go and perform.

0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.640
<v Speaker 2>He did recover, He did perform on Saturday Night Live,

0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.879
<v Speaker 2>but it was a bit of tension leading up to that. Thankfully,

0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.240
<v Speaker 2>the volatile relationship that they had it did not last long. Now,

0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.679
<v Speaker 2>there were some other relationships after this after Bill, and

0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:14.439
<v Speaker 2>some of them were quite profound. But I mean, we

0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.080
<v Speaker 2>weren't here just to talk about all of Freddie's love life,

0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.200
<v Speaker 2>the one that we were wanting to focus on is

0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Jim Hutton. And Jim Hutton is Freddie's partner, his life

0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.679
<v Speaker 2>partner that he was with up until the day that

0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:31.560
<v Speaker 2>he passed away.

0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, I'm sorry, parted me. Hello there, Hi, I'm

0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Freddie Jim. Welcome to Heaven.

0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you're pretty confident, aren't you.

0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:47.240
<v Speaker 1>No this club that's called Heaven? Oh of course, Well,

0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.360
<v Speaker 1>nice to meet you. I'm Freddie. You said that already,

0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:58.159
<v Speaker 1>Freddie Mercury. That is okay. You don't know who I am? Well,

0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:02.639
<v Speaker 1>apparently you're Freddie Mercury. You don't know who Queen is.

0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I know plenty of queens. Can I buy you a drink?

0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. Have a good night, Freddy from Queen.

0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.560
<v Speaker 2>So unlike in the movie Bohemian Rhapsody, when Freddy first

0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.760
<v Speaker 2>met Jim at a nightclub at Call with Heaven, it

0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.920
<v Speaker 2>was a gay club and it was around nineteen eighty five,

0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.439
<v Speaker 2>and Jim had no idea who Freddy was.

0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I love recognizing him.

0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:31.120
<v Speaker 2>And also, Jim Hutton wasn't a bartender as the movie implied.

0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:34.120
<v Speaker 2>He was a hairdresser originally from Ireland, and the reason

0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.640
<v Speaker 2>why Jim said no to Freddie buying him a drink

0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.200
<v Speaker 2>was because Jim was actually in a relationship with somebody else,

0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:40.840
<v Speaker 2>so he was like, no, I'm sorry.

0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.359
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty crazy. He didn't recognize him though, because this

0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.720
<v Speaker 1>is Queen already huge. They'd already released Bohemian rhaptody Don't

0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Stop Me Now, another one bites the dust under pressure,

0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.080
<v Speaker 1>like all their big bangers. It would have been a

0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.360
<v Speaker 1>real kick in the guts for Freddy to be like, oh,

0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.960
<v Speaker 1>when the whole world is bowing down, when he's like,

0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:58.679
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea who you are, what.

0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:00.919
<v Speaker 2>Fucking great songs are. Even when you say that, and

0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.080
<v Speaker 2>you're like, don't stop me NOWT tell him go stop

0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:09.160
<v Speaker 2>me now, it just dumb, like that's you can't even

0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:12.359
<v Speaker 2>read the words without it's about coming into your head anyway,

0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.119
<v Speaker 2>So exactly, he had no idea who he was, and

0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:15.800
<v Speaker 2>that would have been a real kick in the teeth.

0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:17.320
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, it goes on.

0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.879
<v Speaker 2>Eighteen months later, the two of them meet in a

0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.280
<v Speaker 2>different nightclub Autio and then they start dating. Imagine like

0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.399
<v Speaker 2>going home that night and being Jim Hutton and being like,

0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.200
<v Speaker 2>I think I said no to the guy from Kui.

0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.440
<v Speaker 1>He wouldn't have known, but I would have seen him eventually,

0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:34.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe on a TV and being like, who knows, blew

0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:35.440
<v Speaker 1>that one? This is true.

0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I think the really cute thing about the two of

0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:38.640
<v Speaker 2>them together as well is that they kind of look

0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:40.320
<v Speaker 2>a little bit like carbon copies of each other. They

0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.640
<v Speaker 2>have matching mustaches, they're wearing white singlets. Actually they look

0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:45.280
<v Speaker 2>like they kind of could be related. But it does

0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:45.919
<v Speaker 2>look cute.

0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.000
<v Speaker 1>They moved pretty fast, didn't they, because they moved in

0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:49.640
<v Speaker 1>together after any about a year.

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Although they were supposed to be in a committed relationship.

0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 2>And this seems to be something that kind of comes

0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:58.959
<v Speaker 2>up throughout a lot of Freddy's dating is his own promiscuities,

0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:02.600
<v Speaker 2>having affairs or having one night stands, which unfortunately seems

0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.880
<v Speaker 2>like it's synonymous with that type of like complete rock

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:06.800
<v Speaker 2>star stardom.

0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, he was seen leaving Heaven that nightclub with another man.

0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.280
<v Speaker 2>It came out that Freddy had cheated on Jim with

0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:14.360
<v Speaker 2>this guy from the nightclub.

0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Well supposedly they'd been seen together.

0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:18.639
<v Speaker 2>So it was at this time that Jim had given

0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Freddy an ultimatum and said, you know, obviously he'd been

0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 2>seen leaving this nightclub with another man. They'd been all

0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.840
<v Speaker 2>this suspicion around cheating, and the ultimatum was either you

0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.440
<v Speaker 2>commit to the relationship or the relationship is over. And

0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:31.840
<v Speaker 2>that is the time Freddie made up his mind. And

0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.960
<v Speaker 2>despite that turbulence at the beginning, they settled into life together.

0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Deep down, I think the big thing about this was

0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:39.800
<v Speaker 2>that Jim didn't care about his fame. He loved Freddy

0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:41.919
<v Speaker 2>for who he was, but wasn't wrapped up in the

0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:45.720
<v Speaker 2>excitement or the fanfare or the glory that came with

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.159
<v Speaker 2>dating the lead singer of Queen. Jim actually went on

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.080
<v Speaker 2>to write a book after Freddie's passing called Mercury and Me,

0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 2>and in the book he says, deep down, I think

0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 2>that he wanted to be secure with someone who was

0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.919
<v Speaker 2>down to earth and not impressed by who he was.

0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's exactly it. He wanted to be

0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:02.160
<v Speaker 1>with somebody that didn't care who he was. He wanted

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.360
<v Speaker 1>a normal life. He wanted to come in, lay down

0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 1>on a lounge, watch TV, cook some dinner, and just

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.359
<v Speaker 1>have this life away from the spotlight. That's what he

0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.280
<v Speaker 1>got with Jim. There's a quote from Jim's memoir. I'd

0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.439
<v Speaker 1>get him from work, would lie together on the sofa.

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>He would massage my feet and ask about my day,

0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:21.240
<v Speaker 1>just really really pushing home the normality that they craved

0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and that they had, And that's what obviously they cherished together,

0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:26.480
<v Speaker 1>a life away from the spotlight.

0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 2>They actually did have this really beautiful, domestic, blue life

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.040
<v Speaker 2>together when Freddy wasn't on the road, and they lived

0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 2>in Kensington, a pretty historic and wealthy part of London,

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:37.960
<v Speaker 2>which is not surprising, in a house which was called

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Garden Lodge.

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I used to live near Kensington in London, actually, but

0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:43.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I lived in a house as grand

0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Free Mercury. I lived in a very tiny apartment. Well, okay,

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean Garden Lodge. It's gorgeous.

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 2>It's this neo Georgian style two story, eight bedrooms.

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Why do you need eight bedrooms and there's only two

0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:55.719
<v Speaker 1>of you staying there? Because you're Freddie Mercury. You need

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:56.240
<v Speaker 1>it for your aunt.

0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Probably It was built in the early nineteen hundreds for

0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:00.840
<v Speaker 2>a couple who were also in the arm and also

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:01.800
<v Speaker 2>needed eight bedrooms.

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 1>One was a sculptor, one was a painter.

0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 2>It also has a full acre of landscape gardens all

0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the way around, and it's hidden from the street by

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 2>an eight foot stone wall.

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.439
<v Speaker 1>All I can think about is that I'd have so

0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:15.160
<v Speaker 1>many dogs. I would just be like crazy dog lady.

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:17.919
<v Speaker 1>All these bedrooms for dogs, all these beautiful landscape grounds

0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 1>for dogs. That's where I'm going.

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, unlike Freddie and Jim, who just had all these

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:21.919
<v Speaker 2>bedrooms for cats.

0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I know, you couldn't be more opposite, but I think

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:27.119
<v Speaker 1>it's really nice that they've got this little private life

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.720
<v Speaker 1>away from the paparazzi, away from prying eyes. They did,

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, just want to live

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.480
<v Speaker 1>a normal life together. They laid on the lounge, they chatted,

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:37.720
<v Speaker 1>they had their cats, and I think they just that

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:39.639
<v Speaker 1>was their point in life where they were like, you

0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:43.159
<v Speaker 1>know what, let's be normal human beings doing normal things,

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 1>normal couples. Let's not be the most famous rock star

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 1>in the world. And I think that that's really special.

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I guess also with this house, like privacy

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 2>was obviously something that was so paramount to them, Like

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:54.520
<v Speaker 2>they were at a point in their life where, you know,

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 2>I think if you have a house that has a.

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Huge stone wall at the front of it.

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 2>That's a pretty clear indication that you want you've got inside,

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 2>is something that's special that you're wanting to keep private.

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, like an eight foot stone wall screams fuck

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>off to me. I was like, don't come anywhere near us.

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 2>And even though gay marriage was illegal, Freddie and Jim

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:14.680
<v Speaker 2>would still wear wedding rings, so they still considered each

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 2>other to be husbands. They did everything that you would

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:18.919
<v Speaker 2>do in a union in a married union, they just

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:21.919
<v Speaker 2>didn't officially have the certificate. And I think the reason

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:24.160
<v Speaker 2>that they lasted so much and they had this beautiful

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 2>relationship is all of Freddie's past boyfriends, they all wanted

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 2>to come out and be very out and proud and

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 2>let everyone.

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Know about it, tell everybody. They didn't want it to

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.640
<v Speaker 1>be a secret like Freddie wanted. Because Freddy hadn't even

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 1>come out to his parents. You have to remember, like

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:40.639
<v Speaker 1>this was something Freddy was dealing with very privately, and

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 1>I think Jim came along and was the first person

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to say, I respect that, I'm on board with that.

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>I want my life with you, and I also want

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:49.440
<v Speaker 1>it to be private. And that's why it worked.

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.720
<v Speaker 2>And I think we can't stress enough how this was

0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:53.679
<v Speaker 2>of such a different time, even though it wasn't that

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 2>long ago. The views and perceptions of society were so

0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 2>very different back then as well.

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:01.959
<v Speaker 1>And imagine it's be a beautiful thing to have this

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 1>private life and this really special moments with someone, but

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:07.160
<v Speaker 1>then also get to go and see the effect they

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 1>have on the world. Because Jim got to go and

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>see some of Freddie's biggest moments. So the Live AID concepts,

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.119
<v Speaker 1>you just think, this is one of the greatest performers

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.479
<v Speaker 1>of all time, and Jim got to sit there and

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 1>experience that. There's a quote from Jim's memoir. I was gobsmacked.

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>You could feel the effect his stage presence had on

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>the crowd. Afterwards, Elton John came and said, bastard, you've

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 1>stolen it. Imagine being off the side of that stage

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.679
<v Speaker 1>watching him, just being like that guy's mind that is

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 1>my boyfriend. You would be so ridiculously proud. I'm proud,

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:40.160
<v Speaker 1>and I don't even know them.

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:46.120
<v Speaker 2>This is, however, where the story of Freddie Mercury and Jim,

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.679
<v Speaker 2>I think, becomes quite tragic. So two years after the

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Live Aid concert, Freddy was diagnosed with AIDS. That has

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 2>such a profound impact on their relationship. Jim became a

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 2>care for Freddy as he got sick. When Freddie first

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 2>found out that he was so sick, he tried to

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>push Jim away and didn't want to be in the

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>relationship anymore because he didn't want Jim to become this

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 2>person who had to care for him as his body

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>failed him. So Freddy had told Jim, I would understand

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to pack your bags and leave, and

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Hunton replied, don't be stupid.

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going anywhere, and I'm here for the long hall,

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 1>which is what love is.

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 2>You all right, fred I want to look at my artworks.

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.120
<v Speaker 2>I want to see my collection. I don't think I've

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 2>ever told you where I got them from, at least

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 2>not all of them.

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Are you sure you can get up? I can get up?

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>But how will I get downstairs? I'll carry you, No,

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 1>I think I can do it.

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>This was one of the last conversations that Freddy and

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Jim ever had, and Jim talked about it in his book,

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's just so devastating how this has

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 2>been captured that like the last days of his life,

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 2>especially around talking about Jim being this care for him.

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Like having to help him down the stairs so that

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Freddie can just sit there and take in his paintings

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 2>and take in his life. I wonder whether he knew

0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that his life was coming so close to an end,

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 2>or whether it was just that he was becoming more frail.

0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:07.680
<v Speaker 2>But it's just this would have been an incredibly sad

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 2>time for both of them.

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 1>You can can't imagine what it's like knowing that you

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 1>are literally living each day by the minute, you're holding

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.199
<v Speaker 1>on to every single moment as it could be a

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>last I just can't imagine.

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:20.719
<v Speaker 2>So in nineteen ninety one, Freddy had put out a

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 2>statement which came out via his publicist and that confirmed

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 2>that he had AIDS. So even though his disease was

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 2>so incredibly progressed by this point in time, nobody knew

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 2>about it. It wasn't something that had been talked about publicly.

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.679
<v Speaker 2>He had kept everything to himself. Only twenty four hours

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 2>after that statement was made, Freddie actually died, and he

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 2>died not of AIDS, but of the complications that come

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>from AIDS.

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 1>He died of bronchial pneumonia. Jim and Freddy had been

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>together for about seven years now, so it's a very

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>significant amount of time to have spent every day together.

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>And I can't imagine what the last few years were

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>like and how close they would have come caring for

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.640
<v Speaker 1>each other. I'm sure Freddy gave something back to Jim

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:03.239
<v Speaker 1>in an emotional sense and a really loving sense, and

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 1>they spent some of their best, most important years together.

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Jim stood by him throughout the entire process of his illness.

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>You know what that looked like from start and to finish.

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 2>He was there for the whole thing. Now, alongside this

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 2>journey was Mary, Freddie's first love. Mary was there also

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 2>as a kerer and as a friend throughout their entire

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 2>relationship and throughout his entire sickness, which is what leads

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 2>into the most sort of incredible part of this whole story.

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 2>And it is around what Freddy did with all of

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 2>his crazy amounts of money and his estate.

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>So it's not what you think, is it. Well, no,

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>and the.

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Thing is is, like we said earlier, he lived in

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 2>the Garden Lodge with Jim. That was their home that

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 2>they made together, the two of them. Now, in passing,

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Freddy left five hundred thousand pounds to Jim, equating to

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.120
<v Speaker 2>about a million dollars at that time, so it wasn't

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 2>a small amount of money, but in comparison to what

0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 2>his enormous wealth was worth, that was a really small

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 2>amount of money. But he left the estate, He left

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 2>the rest of his money, and literally the home that

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 2>was Jim's home, which he thought he would continue to

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 2>live in.

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>He left it all to Mary, which is insane because

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>he goes on to say how they were live partners

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and how much they loved each other, and obviously Jim

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.960
<v Speaker 1>cared for him. In comparison to what Mary was left,

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Jim was left not a lot. And then the fact

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 1>that Mary then gave Jim three months to leave the house.

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>So she's come and said, cool, it's done, it's over,

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 1>you need to leave. This doesn't sit well with me.

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>It's so unsettling, and I guess we're never going to

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>know if this was Freddie's wish or if there wasn't

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>communication between the three of them. Jim tried to fight

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>that and say, no, Freddie would have wanted me to

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>stay here, like this is our family home, please don't

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>kick me out kind of thing, and she just said

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>you need to go. And I just find this all

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 1>a very unusual situation because you think that they would

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 1>have worked together to come to some sort of a resolution.

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>It's not like there wasn't enough money need to go around.

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 2>It does sound incredibly harsh that Mary would get Jim

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 2>to leave his home three months after his partner passes away. However,

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 2>like you said, Britt, there must be so much more

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 2>to this, and there has to be more that nobody knows.

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's always two sides to a story, and

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 2>then the truth is somewhere in the middle, right, And

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>the other part as well, is that Freddie was cremated,

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 2>the ashes were given to Mary, and Mary spread the ashes. Now, Mary,

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>to this day is the only person who knows where

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Freddie's ashes remain, and she said that she will take

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 2>that to her grave and no one will ever know

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>because it's a secret that Freddy asked her to keep.

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 2>So as much as I know that, we look at

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 2>this and we think, like, how can you be with

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<v Speaker 2>someone for seven years? And then that be the resolution

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<v Speaker 2>when you think of it in comparison to the relationship

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<v Speaker 2>that he had with Mary, which spanned for out pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much his entire life, from his you know, from being

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen years old. I guess when you draw that comparison,

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<v Speaker 2>you can kind of understand a little bit more why

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<v Speaker 2>you might leave everything to Mary. But I can understand

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<v Speaker 2>if you were Jim, why you'd feel like that was

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<v Speaker 2>a slap in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>Why we definitely feel like that was a slap in

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<v Speaker 1>the face.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or like it undermined your relationship. Even I can't

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<v Speaker 2>imagine what that would feel like. But Jim did go on.

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<v Speaker 2>He took the money that Freddy left him. He went

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<v Speaker 2>on to move back to Ireland and bought a property there.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not as though he stayed in England and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, was destitute by any means. But it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a very interesting end to the to the life. And

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it was a surprising end.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jim ended up living a very long life. He

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<v Speaker 1>died in twenty ten, even though he battled AIDS as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't AIDS that he passed away from an end,

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<v Speaker 1>It was lung cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate that we've gotten to the end of this

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<v Speaker 2>story and we don't have a happy ending to wrap

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<v Speaker 2>it all up into a nice little bow. Freddy had

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<v Speaker 2>to live a life that was private, He had to

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<v Speaker 2>hide away who he was in many ways, because the

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<v Speaker 2>views of society didn't match up to who he was

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<v Speaker 2>as a person, or you know, we weren't accepting of

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<v Speaker 2>being gay, being bisexual. Our social views at that time

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<v Speaker 2>were very rigid. Even though Freddy and Jim lived this

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful life together, I think it's really sad that they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't able to just live it freely and openly and

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<v Speaker 2>authentically for fear of Yeah, and it is a story

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of beautiful love stories in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different capacities, but at the end it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 2>have the happy ending that we're after. That's real life, baby,

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