1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 2: This is the Daily OS. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 3: Oh now it makes sense. 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 4: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 4: the twenty sixth of March. I'm Zara Seidler. 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 5: I'm Sam Kazlowski. 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 4: This week marks one month since the US Israeli war 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 4: with Iran began. As the conflict enters its fourth week, 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 4: peace deal talks are underway, missile attacks continue across the 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 4: Middle East, and the economic impact is being felt around 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 4: the world. Today, we're going to do something a little 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 4: bit different. We are going to bring in the TDA 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 4: team into the studio to get their biggest questions about 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 4: the war answered. All right, Sam, I have loved having 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 4: you here to say, I'm Sam Kauzlosky. 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 5: That's the easiest podcast. 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 4: I'm actually going to kick you out now and get 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 4: some members of the TDA team who you might not 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 4: have ever heard on this podcast to ask us they're 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 4: burning questions. Because I don't want to just presume what 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 4: the questions out there are. I want to hear them 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 4: and then we'll try answer them. Love it, let's go, 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 4: all right, off you go, Hi, Rosa, come have a seat. Okay, 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 4: So Rosa, the idea for this podcast actually came up 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 4: because you and I were having a chat in the 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 4: office and you asked me a question, and so now 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 4: I very naturally brought you into the studio to ask 28 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: me on Mike what your question was. Yeah, fire away, 29 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 4: hopefully I can answer it. 30 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: So I think we hear a lot about peace steeles, 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: and I was wondering what negotiations actually look like. You'll 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: see here, you know, negotiations stalled or you know other 33 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: lingo touch that I don't know what negotiations look like. 34 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: Is Trump in the room? Is someone from Iran in 35 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: the room? Like, who's there? 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: What's going on? 37 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: How does this happen? 38 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, great questions. So I guess we'll start with the 39 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: latest news because I think that's the thing that we've 40 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 4: seen the headlines about, which is that Trump has put 41 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 4: forward a planned to Iran for a peace deal, and 42 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 4: that hasn't been made public, so we don't actually know 43 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 4: what's inside of that, but we do know that it 44 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 4: is addressing Iran's ballistic and nuclear programs. Now, in terms 45 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 4: of you asked about how does the negotiation actually happen? 46 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 4: The New York Times has found out that Pakistan is 47 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 4: the intermediary. 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's really interesting. 49 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, so what happened was Trump proposed this plan through Pakistan, 50 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 4: so Pakistan gave it to Iran from the US. 51 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: And why Pakistan, you might be wondering. 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, it turns out that Pakistan's head of the 53 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 4: army is actually really close with Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, 54 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 4: and so because there's that relationship, they can act, you know, 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 4: on behalf of both and pass messages throughout because these 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 4: two sides are in active conflicts, So the likelihood of 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 4: you know, the head of Iran's new regime and Trump 58 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 4: sitting in an office is very unlikely. This is the 59 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 4: way that those negotiations have gone. And we've seen in 60 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 4: other conflicts that there are other countries that mediate between. 61 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 4: So this time, yeah, it's Pakistan. And so we don't 62 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 4: know if Iran's going to actually accept that that peace deal. 63 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 4: We haven't heard from them that they will. When Trump 64 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 4: said earlier in the week that he had put forward 65 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 4: something Iran called fake news, and so it's very hard 66 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 4: to know what's actually happening when we're not in the 67 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 4: room and these things aren't made public. All we can 68 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 4: go off is what the leaders are saying themselves, which 69 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 4: is a deal's been put forward, we don't know what 70 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 4: happens next. 71 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 3: Yep, thank you, that's actually really helpful. 72 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: Thanks Rosa. 73 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: Do you want to check who else out there in 74 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 4: the office is ready to come in and ask their question. 75 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: We'll do that. This is a very new way of 76 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: doing that. 77 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. 78 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 4: Okay, So we now have Lucy in the chair. Listeners 79 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 4: will be very familiar with you. 80 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: Lucy. What is your question about the current conflict? 81 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 6: My question is, so the US and Israel are both 82 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 6: striking Iran? Are they one hundred percent aligned? Could one 83 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 6: of those two countries sign a deal and the other 84 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 6: one continue the war? 85 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such good question. 86 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: I was just talking to Rosa about the facts that 87 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 4: there's been a peace plan that's been put forward by 88 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: the US. We don't even know if Israel's endorsed that 89 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: peace plan, if it's co written, co author, or if 90 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 4: it's just one or the other. 91 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the facts are. 92 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 4: That the US is Israel's closest ally and they entered 93 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 4: this war together, and they said that they were entering 94 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 4: for the same reason, which was to end Iran's nuclear capability. 95 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 4: Since that time, though analysts have pointed out that their 96 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 4: motivations might be a bit different. So it does appear 97 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 4: that Israel is looking for complete regime change in Iran. 98 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 4: They want to remove the threat of Iran and its 99 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 4: ballistic missiles completely. I think you and I have spoken 100 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 4: on this pot a number of times about the facts 101 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 4: that Iran funds and trains a bunch of proxy groups 102 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 4: in the Middle East, things like Hezbollah, the Huthis, Hamas, 103 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 4: and so Israel has made very clear that they want 104 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 4: to end that. Whether or not the US wants to 105 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 4: go that farther, we don't really know. And so it 106 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 4: does appear that the US is leading those peace negotiations. 107 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 4: And just because Israel and the US got into this 108 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 4: war together, it doesn't appear that they have to get 109 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 4: out together. And that you know, we know Israel is 110 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 4: in Lebanon and they've got ground troops invading Lebanon at 111 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 4: the moment. Yeah, will they remain there if the war ends? 112 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 4: We don't have answers to this, but it's a really 113 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 4: good question. 114 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I mean the kind of getting into it 115 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 6: together but then maybe pulling out of it separately. It is 116 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 6: also goes to those ballistic missiles you were talking about, 117 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 6: where as far as we know, Iran doesn't have the 118 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 6: kind of missiles that could go all the way across 119 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 6: the ocean to the US. Yeah, but it can strike Israel, 120 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 6: as we've seen exactly. 121 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much, Lucie. 122 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: Thanks Sarah m A very very warm seat for you 123 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 4: there often on the pod, but this time you were 124 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 4: messaging me a question from across the office. 125 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it? 126 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 7: I wanted to know what other political implications of this 127 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 7: in the region. What are the other big players in 128 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 7: the Middle East saying about this? 129 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 4: So I've compiled a list of things that they're I 130 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 4: guess I'll start with Saudi Arabia because they've been the 131 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: strongest and their language has been the strongest against Iran. 132 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 4: So interestingly, Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince is pushing for the 133 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 4: war to continue. He thinks that this is a historic 134 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 4: opportunity to reshape how the Middle East looks and it feels, 135 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 4: and he argues that Iran poses a threat, a huge 136 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 4: threat to the rest of the region, and so he 137 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 4: wants the US to continue this war. I was quite 138 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 4: surprised by how strong that retric is. We know that 139 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 4: in recent years, Saudi Arabia and Israel have normalized relations 140 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 4: a bit, but that is very strong words from the 141 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 4: Saudi Arabian crown prince there and a. 142 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 7: Strong ally with the US in recent years exactly. 143 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's Saudi Arabia. Then we have the UAE. 144 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 4: Now we know that the UAE has been almost hardest 145 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 4: hit by this war. Australia had to send an aircraft 146 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: to help protect Australians who are there because the ballistic 147 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 4: missiles from Iran through the UA, specifically to Dubai, are 148 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 4: really significant. 149 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 7: A major port for international travel. 150 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 151 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 7: Airspace was closed and impacted by that. 152 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: Exactly. 153 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: So the UAE has said that the constant attacked by 154 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 4: Iran have led it to rethink its security and could 155 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 4: lead to strengthening ties with the US. So we had 156 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 4: an advisor to the UAE's president say on x that 157 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 4: this is the cost of Iran's misguided calculations. So they're 158 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 4: suggesting there that that's backfired and that the result of 159 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 4: Iran hitting the UAE is that they will then pivot 160 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: to form stronger bonds with the US. 161 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 7: So the UAE is against the military action. I suppose 162 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 7: that's affecting it directly, yeah, and that's pushed it to 163 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 7: support the US more. 164 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 165 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: And then we have Lebanon, which is in a bit 166 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: of a different situation. So in regards to Iran, Lebanon 167 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 4: has expelled the Iranian ambassador this week, that was the 168 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 4: latest news, and they've said that he has no role 169 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 4: there at the moment. 170 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: That said. 171 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 4: Israel is pushing forward with a ground invasion of Lebanon, 172 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: and Lebanese authorities are strongly against that action and have 173 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 4: pushed back against that action very publicly. And so while 174 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 4: they are against what Iran is doing and they are 175 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 4: expelling the ambassador, they are absolutely not supportive here of 176 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 4: what Israel's plans are for Lebanon. 177 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 7: Okay, so very layered, very complicated, exactly. 178 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 4: And then Qatar, finally, they are just supportive of diplomatic relations. 179 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 4: They're suggesting that this needs to be settled through diplomatic channels, 180 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 4: and they said, we will live next to each other, 181 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 4: and we will be neighbors, and we have to find 182 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 4: a way to live next to each other. So they're 183 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 4: taking more of that we need peace for all of 184 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: us approach, yeah exactly. 185 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 7: And it's so fascinating to hear all of that nuance 186 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 7: because when you look at a map, all of these 187 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 7: players exist side by side, so closely packed in in 188 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 7: this part of the world, but incredibly different approaches and responses. 189 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: Exactly, and thanks for your question, Thanks for your answer. 190 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 4: We'll be back with the rest of the Deep Dive 191 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: after a short note from today's sponsor. All Our our producer, 192 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 4: who is usually on the other side of this studio, 193 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: was listening into this chat and has a follow up 194 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 4: question about what Lucy just said. 195 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: What was your question, Lauler, Yes, okay, So Lucy just 196 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: said that Iran can't hit America because their missiles just 197 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: can't go far enough geographically. But can they hit other 198 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: countries outside of the Middle East? 199 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 4: This is one of the most common questions that we get, so, 200 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 4: I mean, the short answer is that anything's possible. It 201 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 4: would be remissive us to say with certainty that they 202 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 4: wouldn't hit other countries. We know Iran has been targeting 203 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 4: countries in the Gulf, so for example, the UAE has 204 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 4: had the most missiles and Billy and I spoke about 205 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 4: that on a pod a few weeks ago. At the moment, 206 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: though Iran is just targeting US interests in those countries, 207 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 4: so things like military bases or airports, whatever it is. 208 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 4: They haven't, as we said, hit America, and they haven't 209 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 4: indicated that they would in any way try to do that. However, 210 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 4: this week the language shifted a bit and Iran warned, 211 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 4: and I'm reading directly here that parks, recreational areas, and 212 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 4: tourist destinations would not be safe for its enemies. So 213 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 4: that is really broadening the scope. I mean, that's not 214 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 4: just talking about hitting military targets in the Middle East. 215 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 4: That's saying that if this continues, they could expand what 216 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 4: those targets look like. And I think the only other 217 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 4: thing I would add to that is that even if 218 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 4: Iran doesn't directly hit another country with a missile, so 219 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: we've said that those ballistic missiles can't go that far, 220 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 4: we do know that they direct attacks on other countries 221 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 4: and that they've been responsible for orchestrating those attacks. So 222 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: in Australia, authorities found out that Iran was behind a 223 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 4: fire bombing attack in Sydney against Sydney's Jewish community, and 224 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 4: so behind the scenes they've been orchestrating attacks and it 225 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 4: could be that those sorts of attacks increase, not necessarily 226 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 4: a direct attack on the country, if. 227 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: That makes sense. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Okay, Brill, 228 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: thank you, Alla, Thanks Sarah, Sam, welcome back to the podcast. 229 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 5: Gives me back the seat is warm. 230 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: We've missed you. 231 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 4: You and I have been speaking almost every day for 232 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 4: the last however long three weeks about the price of petrol. 233 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: That is, of course, because. 234 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 4: It has shot up exponentially as a result of the 235 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 4: war in the Middle East. Specifically, what are you interested 236 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 4: in knowing here? 237 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,359 Speaker 5: I keep thinking about bringing it back to our situation 238 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 5: right here in Australia and trying to pinpoint if there's 239 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 5: any thoughts around when fuel prices could actually drop, Like 240 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 5: how long let's say that there was a resolution tomorrow, Yeah, 241 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 5: how long will we see these prices for? 242 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: Yeah? 243 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 4: Look, don't have a crystal ball, but do have an 244 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: expert that I spoke to about this. So m in 245 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 4: our team spoke to David Smith from the University of 246 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 4: Sydney and she basically said what you just put forward, like, 247 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 4: if it ends tomorrow, does that mean that the next 248 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 4: day fuel prices drop? 249 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, his answer was absolutely not. 250 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 4: It's because the backlog that has resulted from things like 251 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 4: the Strait of Homus being closed for so long and 252 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 4: everything just adding up over time means that that backlog 253 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: will then apply after the war ends as well. So 254 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 4: he has suggested that when you shut down any big 255 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 4: element of infrastructure, it takes a lot longer to then 256 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 4: get it starting again, and so he thinks that it 257 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 4: could take quite a while for things to start feeling 258 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 4: normal again in terms of prices. Of course, we're talking 259 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 4: about if that war does end. We don't know if 260 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 4: it will, and so if it doesn't, then we can 261 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 4: expect these prices to just grow and grow and grow. 262 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: If it does end. 263 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 4: Though, he said it's even possible that those prices will 264 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 4: never normalize and that we will have a new normal 265 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 4: of you know, two dollars sixty or whatever insane amount 266 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 4: we have all been filling up at. 267 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: That will be the new normal, and. 268 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 5: Crazy like a new precent, a new present that people 269 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 5: are looking at, going, well, it could happen again. 270 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean at one point petrol cost under 271 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 4: a dollar, and that was the norm, and then it 272 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 4: shot up and never really fluctuated that dramatically down again. 273 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 4: And then of course we had COVID, and all of 274 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 4: these things have forced the price up, and hypothetically this 275 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 4: could be one of those events that the new normal 276 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 4: is that you don't get petrol under two dollars thirty. 277 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 5: I've been seeing a lot of really interesting stuff around 278 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 5: about how the increase in the cost of fuel can 279 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 5: also impact things like MRI machines or other elements in 280 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 5: our society that don't directly, you know, take petrol from 281 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 5: a petrol station, but need the things on those ships 282 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 5: to operate. 283 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a flight to Melbourne, for example. If 284 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 4: you've looked at getting a fly, they're going up quite significantly. Interesting, Sam, 285 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 4: while you're here, we may as well wrap up the pod. 286 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 5: Let's do it. 287 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: I do hope that these questions were the ones that 288 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 4: our listeners were thinking, because, you know so our team 289 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 4: is a bunch of young people who are experiencing and 290 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 4: feeling and thinking about the same things as. 291 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: All of you are. 292 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: So hopefully these have answered your biggest questions. So thank 293 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 4: you for indulging us with a slightly different episode of 294 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 4: the dally Ols today. If there are questions that we 295 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 4: didn't answer, throw them under the question box in Spotify 296 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 4: and I will be sure to answer them as soon 297 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 4: as possible. 298 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 5: We'll be back later today with your evening headlines, where 299 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 5: I'm sure some of the topics of today's pod will 300 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 5: come up again. Until then, have a beautiful day. 301 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 302 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: Bungelung Cargoton woman from Gadigol Country. The daly oz acknowledges 303 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 304 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 305 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: Strait Island and nations. 306 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 6: We pay our respects to the first peoples of these countries, 307 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 6: both past and present.