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Speaker 1: for clicking and downloading on today's episode with Alana MacLean,
Speaker 1: my bestie from the Westy of Australia, who is the
Speaker 1: definition of a housewife expert who I absolutely love catching
Speaker 1: up with each week, we go deep on the tenth
Speaker 1: episode of Beverly Hills season fourteen, which is called Sweet
Speaker 1: Home Augusta and I make a bit of a revelation
Speaker 1: as to why this week's episode is the very essence
Speaker 1: of what I like about this flagship version of the franchise.
Speaker 1: We will discuss the way on which this episode launches
Speaker 1: with the montage that shines a light on the holistic
Speaker 1: version of what's been happening to Pekan Derite in their
Speaker 1: time on this series.
Speaker 2: I will get Alana's perspective.
Speaker 1: On Kyle Richards's current state of play with her marriage breakdown.
Speaker 1: We will address the choice from Bravo to have Kathy
Speaker 1: have a dinner party with Garcel, Durret and Bosma and
Speaker 1: why that seems to be a new way that we
Speaker 1: are now seeing Kathy Hilton. You will also get plenty
Speaker 1: of chat on Sudden and her lack of inclusion with
Speaker 1: all the women, what we thought of.
Speaker 2: Sutton's mum, and why.
Speaker 1: That gift from Garcel allowed us to see Sudden in
Speaker 1: a way that we've never seen before. There's actually so
Speaker 1: much to talk about, with so many inside revelations, So guys,
Speaker 1: sit back and relax as we unpack the wonderful world
Speaker 1: of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hill Season fourteen, episode ten,
Speaker 1: Where are you TALKI?
Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness, Surf Coast life? Do you want to
Speaker 3: brow my hair for that?
Speaker 1: You look like every single person that is I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the window right now and there's five Alana McLean's.
Speaker 2: They all have the same hair.
Speaker 3: I'll go get my surfboard.
Speaker 2: This is how you look so youthful. You look so.
Speaker 3: Young salt therapy. Your hair is looking fabulous too, my love.
Speaker 1: This is chaos down here at the moment today because
Speaker 1: it's Ben's fortieth.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he's forty of I don't realize that
Speaker 3: this is actual forty. That's so exciting, What a milestone.
Speaker 1: He's been really depressed all week because of the fact
Speaker 1: that he's leaving his thirties to go into the forties.
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know what it's wrong with me.
Speaker 2: I don't like I'm forty.
Speaker 1: I'm turning forty five next week, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't care. I'm like, it doesn't really bother me how
Speaker 1: old I'm getting.
Speaker 3: Do you tell him that Kyle Richard's only got cast
Speaker 3: on the show when she was forty, And I quite
Speaker 3: often hold on to that because I feel like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, life can start at forty.
Speaker 2: You know, she looked like a foot when she turned
Speaker 2: up on that show, and she is. She is now
Speaker 2: Chef's Kiss.
Speaker 3: And I love when I see those memes of like
Speaker 3: when everyone looks better and it says just a reminder
Speaker 3: that you're not ugly, you're just poor.
Speaker 1: Something in this week's episode, maybe think I've been living
Speaker 1: my life wrong, and that is that I would give
Speaker 1: away all of my life experiences just to have one
Speaker 1: room in my house that looks like Sutton Strat's house
Speaker 1: in Augusta, Like, oh those.
Speaker 3: Rooms, yeah, oh that house be beautiful. The money, like
Speaker 3: she's bat she crazy ninety nine percent of the time,
Speaker 3: but the money, what.
Speaker 2: Would you prefer to be?
Speaker 1: Would you prefer to be rich and lacking self awareness
Speaker 1: like sudden Yes, I picked that.
Speaker 3: One because she's having a great time. She doesn't know
Speaker 3: that she's fucking off the dial. She's having a great
Speaker 3: time with their random comments and cutting people off when
Speaker 3: they're having a breakdown, and she doesn't care.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't be doing this podcast if you were certain strat.
Speaker 2: Even in the lightest I would block your number.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd be blocking yours too.
Speaker 1: We open this episode with a montage of Derete and
Speaker 1: PK's relationship recap, like an episode recap of married at
Speaker 1: First sight, Like the editing of the way they put
Speaker 1: that together. It was like bang bang bang, explosive, Like
Speaker 1: everything that you saw was polarizing because one thing I
Speaker 1: will say about the two of them is that their
Speaker 1: relationship has always seemed a little too bizarre to me,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like a little bit odd,
Speaker 1: because they're either grandstanding their relationship and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of cringe worthy standing up and reading out letters
Speaker 1: of love. You know, all of that stuff has always
Speaker 1: been kind of polarizing to them. What we're seeing now,
Speaker 1: which is also polarizing because who the hell is sharing
Speaker 1: this much about a marriage breakdown on television, Well, I just.
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. I think that starting it in
Speaker 3: such a dramatic way in the sound effects, I was like, whoa, Like,
Speaker 3: we're in for a ride.
Speaker 4: As I stand here tonight, welcome in our friends and family,
Speaker 4: It's an opportunity for me to confess publicly. Oh baby,
Speaker 4: it's you, baby, and you alone. Let's go through this
Speaker 4: world together in love. You look unbelievable, You look radiant,
Speaker 4: You look gracious, Jagga, what.
Speaker 2: Do you think son?
Speaker 3: Yes or no? What do you think? Yes?
Speaker 4: I can conquer the world with just one hand, as
Speaker 4: long as your old the other one.
Speaker 1: PK.
Speaker 3: You bring a lot of color and purpose to my life,
Speaker 3: a life that is seemingly impossible to live if you
Speaker 3: weren't by my side. I'm just thinking about my huve
Speaker 3: and to thead of my life, to the king of
Speaker 3: my dreams and the mate of my soul.
Speaker 4: So we need our bailves. That's address I would expect
Speaker 4: you to wear.
Speaker 3: We got it right the first time around. I don't
Speaker 3: want to like tempt face.
Speaker 2: See I can't stand if that wasn't it.
Speaker 5: Okay, we had a really difficult year he was spending
Speaker 5: a lot of time in London, and it.
Speaker 3: Was a year that I needed him the most.
Speaker 4: You have been through a really traumatic thing, and also
Speaker 4: you have a lot of fear in you that isn't rational.
Speaker 4: And there are also elements that I don't consider our PTSD.
Speaker 4: I consider they're more obnoxious.
Speaker 5: I started to feel like, is it possible pequn I
Speaker 5: would not make it.
Speaker 4: When I first met Dreik, she was not quite as
Speaker 4: high maintenance as she is now.
Speaker 3: Now now, I mean, hats off to the editors this season,
Speaker 3: because I feel the way that they have been including
Speaker 3: a lot of these rollback footage clips, have actually added
Speaker 3: so much to the story. Because you do you forget?
Speaker 3: I mean, some people, you know, watch it a million
Speaker 3: times over like me and watch all the old ones,
Speaker 3: But if you are just watching it one week at
Speaker 3: a time, you do you forget. They did have these
Speaker 3: big birthday parties for each other, They did say these things.
Speaker 3: They were lovey dovey that we thought of and so
Speaker 3: it is it's important to sort of see that back
Speaker 3: to then see the juxtaposition of how far it's fallen
Speaker 3: and where we are now, and it makes it land
Speaker 3: differently because you've seen that footage at the start, So
Speaker 3: I mean it is like watching a whole different storyline
Speaker 3: play out in terms of the relationship and the personalities
Speaker 3: within it.
Speaker 1: Imagine if we had rollbacks with in real time, like
Speaker 1: our real lives, we'd be like canceled. But I mean
Speaker 1: it is hard when you're seeing it all rolled back
Speaker 1: into a package like that for those two. And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know whether or not they you know, I
Speaker 1: was talking to a housewife at an opening last week.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Petti Flow won't mind me saying this from Melbourne,
Speaker 1: and she revealed that she never watched any of her episodes.
Speaker 1: She's still not seen any of it. Yeah, it would
Speaker 1: be sad. The episodes two days in advance, which is
Speaker 1: what they apparently do with the housewise to give them
Speaker 1: enough time to blog or do interviews. But Petti Flow
Speaker 1: was like, I don't I never watched any of it.
Speaker 1: I said I would be watching it, but I was there,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't watch it. I just wonder whether or
Speaker 1: not there's a therapist sitting next to p K and
Speaker 1: Dereite separately whilst they watched this series back, Because this
Speaker 1: is opening a whole lot of can of worms that
Speaker 1: would be very hard to process.
Speaker 2: I could imagine.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean not to cut too far forward, but
Speaker 3: where we saw her basically say that he wasn't a
Speaker 3: good father, I thought, whoa.
Speaker 2: I think he's a very good father. Am I correct wrong?
Speaker 3: There are times that I think Picky's the greatest father
Speaker 3: in the world. But is he the most hands on father?
Speaker 3: The truth is no. She's since gone on the after
Speaker 3: show and said, look, I was angry. It was the
Speaker 3: heat of the moment. I do think he's a good father,
Speaker 3: but she sort of alluded to the fact that he
Speaker 3: wasn't hands on. That he's a good father in other ways.
Speaker 3: But I just thought that is where it's going to
Speaker 3: get very ugly and irreparable, when you start bringing the
Speaker 3: kids into it, and there's just certain things you can't
Speaker 3: take back. And we thought it was ugly when she
Speaker 3: started by admitting he was an alcoholic.
Speaker 2: He's a bad father.
Speaker 1: Like the list goes on, and like, you sent me
Speaker 1: a message the other day and I might have been
Speaker 1: drinking because I read it back and I thought it
Speaker 1: was a bit harsh. But you sent me a clip
Speaker 1: of a part of this, you know, And I said,
Speaker 1: I hate her. I think it's a really strong word.
Speaker 1: But I've got friends that are currently going through divorce
Speaker 1: and it is a really hard space to navigate, and
Speaker 1: it is a really personal thing to do as well.
Speaker 1: And the one thing I've learned from being a bystander
Speaker 1: of it is that it's a very dangerous space to
Speaker 1: be shaming the other person. And all of these people
Speaker 1: I know, I've got children, so like, shouldn't Derete and
Speaker 1: PK be protecting the children by not talking about it.
Speaker 1: PK's been on a podcast which I said to you
Speaker 1: this week, you know, and he has rebutted a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff, And the only thing I took from
Speaker 1: his rebuttal was you should chut your mouth.
Speaker 4: So Duit's lack of understanding about sobriety is not her fault.
Speaker 4: She hasn't invested in it, and it's not something you know.
Speaker 4: She hasn't worked a program and hasn't done what I've done.
Speaker 4: So there is no fully blown alcoholic. You're either an
Speaker 4: alcoholic or you're not right. And I felt that some
Speaker 4: of those descriptions, which obviously my alcoholism, had an element
Speaker 4: of responsibility in relation to the breakdown of our marriage,
Speaker 4: but that was just a component.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a hard one in that Durite
Speaker 3: has signed up to do this show. It's a reality show.
Speaker 3: We really put the hard word on them to be
Speaker 3: honest about their real lives. And when they don't, and
Speaker 3: when we feel like we're not seen it, we are
Speaker 3: angry at that as a viewer. And you know, you
Speaker 3: and I have spoken about Sutton, which actually, ironically enough,
Speaker 3: we did start to see some of her real life
Speaker 3: this episode. But you know, so I feel like she's
Speaker 3: been put into this place. She's also been protecting him
Speaker 3: for all these years, as we have since found out.
Speaker 3: But also I sort of feel like, don't forget. P
Speaker 3: K is a talent manager. He is very well versed
Speaker 3: in the world of pr. He is very well versed
Speaker 3: in creating hype, shaping narrative, doing all those things. Remember
Speaker 3: when Erica Jane was in the midst of her sort
Speaker 3: of legal turmoil and was posting all these sexy shots
Speaker 3: on Instagram and he was like, she shouldn't be doing that,
Speaker 3: she should be doing this. Don't forget. He knows what
Speaker 3: to do. You know, whether she's gone too far potentially,
Speaker 3: but don't forget if he's recognizing that she's going all
Speaker 3: the way to the left, he's going to go, well,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the right and let her
Speaker 3: kind of hang herself out to drive, because then he
Speaker 3: gets to look like the nice guy, even if it's
Speaker 3: potentially not true, just by shutting it up.
Speaker 1: You're right, I didn't think about it, like his silence
Speaker 1: up until that podcast that I saw. It's worked in
Speaker 1: his favor because if you look at the time, it's
Speaker 1: turned with the comments on social media where people are
Speaker 1: saying that Dauri's saying way too much in poor p K.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? And like, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, PK is not a great guy.
Speaker 3: Like from all of this, it's hard because we don't
Speaker 3: know as a viewer, Like she's saying she got this
Speaker 3: horrible email. It was seven pages long that I've heard
Speaker 3: in some interviews it was nine pages long.
Speaker 2: And taking she's sing.
Speaker 3: Taking a lot of it on face value. I do
Speaker 3: I do believe who when I say they had a
Speaker 3: toxic relationship and that he was horrible to her.
Speaker 2: But she signed up for this, Alana.
Speaker 1: I will say this and I don't know it, but
Speaker 1: this is how I feel she signed up for this
Speaker 1: relationship because she signed up for the money, right like,
Speaker 1: as in, she wants to be with PK because he
Speaker 1: afforded her this lifestyle. And this is what happens to
Speaker 1: women who sign up to be in a relationship with
Speaker 1: a man for money, is that the love isn't there.
Speaker 2: It's going to go toxic. He's going to.
Speaker 1: Feel abused, he's going to feel like she's only there
Speaker 1: for the cash. And to me, with all the seasons
Speaker 1: we've seen a top wearing all of those expensive clothes,
Speaker 1: she's been bleeding this man dry for years, Like, well.
Speaker 3: I don't see it that way. I feel like, yes,
Speaker 3: she might have married him for money initially, but where
Speaker 3: he's gotten pissed off and over it is because her
Speaker 3: fame and her status is now outshining him and he's
Speaker 3: got the shits as a man who is now suffering
Speaker 3: from that power dynamic shift. And he's trying to get
Speaker 3: out before the ten years, as Erica says, because then
Speaker 3: he won't have to pay up the full amount and
Speaker 3: probably get it on with some younger chick that needs
Speaker 3: him again so he can feel needed. Whereas I feel
Speaker 3: like with her, she's sort of made her own way,
Speaker 3: and we've seen it a lot of the Bravo franchise
Speaker 3: with these relationships, the dynamic ships, with this level of
Speaker 3: fame and this level of your own income and your
Speaker 3: own you know, she's booked, she's busy, she's doing all
Speaker 3: these things. And what's he doing? Take around boy, George,
Speaker 3: I don't even know if he's still doing that.
Speaker 1: There's not going to be a PK reality show. Even
Speaker 1: when he was on this show and we got to
Speaker 1: see a lot of him in comparison to some of
Speaker 1: the other husbands, he was a bit sort of he
Speaker 1: gives me the eck like he just looks a bit thirsty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he was, and that's why he signed.
Speaker 3: He made Durite sign up to do this show. He
Speaker 3: talked her into it. So don't be mad at the
Speaker 3: monster that you've created when you've been the one to
Speaker 3: create the Frankenstein to use the analogy. So she's sort
Speaker 3: of been doing her thing. And I'm not saying she
Speaker 3: isn't a fault, and we haven't heard about her sort
Speaker 3: of part in all this behind the scenes, but I
Speaker 3: just feel like his silence is sort of letting him
Speaker 3: be seen a little bit more like the victim now,
Speaker 3: and I don't necessarily think that's the case. I think
Speaker 3: she has been blindsided. I think he's trying to wipe
Speaker 3: her out clean before this ten years. I think he's
Speaker 3: trying to be aggressive about it and hope that she
Speaker 3: just goes, okay, well, I'll just get this whole thing
Speaker 3: done quickly, so he probably wins, you know, and he
Speaker 3: doesn't have to give her the money. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but something in there is very messy, and we're watching
Speaker 3: it unfold for sure, and.
Speaker 1: She secured that diamond, which is exactly what she wanted
Speaker 1: to do. So like she's gonna be on this show
Speaker 1: for another four years. I mean, this season is the
Speaker 1: season of dereite, Like you know, no matter how which
Speaker 1: way you look at it, even with Kyle Richard's relationship
Speaker 1: marriage coming to an end, this is still the season
Speaker 1: of Derete. What sort of leveled up this episode for
Speaker 1: me and why I really liked it was there was
Speaker 1: a bit of warmth between Kyle and Moritzio, and that
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed because I wonder whether or not this
Speaker 1: could be the new normal of a relationship coming to
Speaker 1: an end. I mean, wouldn't it be nice. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: that Kyle's always curated a narrative for all of us
Speaker 1: to understand about her marriage, and maybe she's now curating
Speaker 1: an idealistic version of what a separation could look like.
Speaker 1: But the two of them taking the time to go
Speaker 1: and fire the gun and have those conversations was really mature,
Speaker 1: I thought. And it made me think two things. Could
Speaker 1: they get back together? And the other thing is is
Speaker 1: this a really good way to separate and to maintain friendship?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty heartbreaking watching Kyle do these confessionals now
Speaker 3: where she's realizing she's really lonely. She's living in that
Speaker 3: house and the girls are grown up and they're not
Speaker 3: necessarily there. And now Pusha's got a driver's license, so
Speaker 3: she's out.
Speaker 6: It's a very big life adjustment to live your life
Speaker 6: a certain way for decades. It really is grieving the
Speaker 6: last of someone who's still here. She's obviously something's happened,
Speaker 6: She's gone. That is the final straw, get out. I
Speaker 6: am done.
Speaker 3: And then she's had her crazy you know, fleeing with
Speaker 3: Morgan or whatever the hell happened there, And now she's
Speaker 3: in that place where she's like, oh, I don't know
Speaker 3: if the grass is greener over this side. But unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I think he's like cool, all right, no worries, and
Speaker 3: he's moved on. I think it's lovely that they're still friends.
Speaker 3: But to Erica's point, they haven't filed for divorce yet,
Speaker 3: they haven't used the divorce word yet. They are living
Speaker 3: as a separated couple, and they're living their own lives.
Speaker 3: When that starts to come into the equation, which it will,
Speaker 3: it's inevitable unless they get back together. But if they
Speaker 3: go down this road of continued separation, at some point,
Speaker 3: that's going to be on the table, and I feel
Speaker 3: like it will change. Like Erica said, there is no
Speaker 3: woman I know that's had a peaceful divorce unless the
Speaker 3: guy died. It's all kind of a little bit heartbreaking
Speaker 3: and poignant and reflective and nice now, but I don't
Speaker 3: necessarily think that's going to be the case moving forward.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a possibility of them ever
Speaker 1: being able to reconcilet Have you ever known anyone in
Speaker 1: a relationship that's separated or broken up that have recoupled
Speaker 1: that are still together, Like I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: if you if you say those words, out loud. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's almost impossible ever to have a relationship
Speaker 1: that works ever again, I mean it's even white, not
Speaker 1: that in no one cares about my personal life or
Speaker 1: my opinion really, but it's even why I've never said
Speaker 1: that with Ben. I've been with him for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: We've never said, like, even in heated arguments, I've never
Speaker 1: said that's it, I'm over and I'm walking out. And
Speaker 1: that's because I know that when you say those sorts
Speaker 1: of things, it's done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I haven't gone back once once
Speaker 3: it's been you know, but some people have. And I
Speaker 3: think if we look at Salt Lake City, you know,
Speaker 3: Meredith had that separation from Seth, they're back together. Yes,
Speaker 3: their relationship seems a bit you know, strange bonker, but
Speaker 3: himself it can happen. I don't know if it will
Speaker 3: happen with Kyle and Mauricio. I think I think they're
Speaker 3: just in different places. And I think probably that's what
Speaker 3: the core of the issue was. He's been traveling a lot,
Speaker 3: he's been opening all these new agencies. He still likes
Speaker 3: that party lifestyle. He likes to be out and about.
Speaker 3: She doesn't want that and you mentioned it the other week.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe he's just been picking other things over
Speaker 3: her and she's had the final straw, and so I think, yes,
Speaker 3: she still loves him, She would love that family unit
Speaker 3: to be together, but I think she had to make
Speaker 3: a stand for herself. She did it, and this is
Speaker 3: where we are, and I don't necessarily know if there's
Speaker 3: a path back. I would like to see it, but
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I think a majority of viewers that would be watching
Speaker 1: this show would be rooting for something like that. You know,
Speaker 1: Gussel and Kyle being asked by Sutton to go to
Speaker 1: Augusta this week really didn't land well for a lot
Speaker 1: of the viewers, especially with myself considering that it felt
Speaker 1: like a segregation of the group like Sutton has entered
Speaker 1: this season with trying to talk about female dynamics and
Speaker 1: uniting the group as a whole. But the only person
Speaker 1: that has really done any damage further down that path
Speaker 1: has been Sudden and like even to not invite Jennifer
Speaker 1: Tilly on this particular weekend seem like an odd choice
Speaker 1: as well. I don't know, how did you feel when
Speaker 1: you see those mixed messages being sent out clearly by
Speaker 1: only inviting two women to go home and meet the mother.
Speaker 3: First of all, when she did all that sisterhood stuff,
Speaker 3: I was like, you are full of shit. This is
Speaker 3: just another moment where she's just she's in one headspace
Speaker 3: and she goes gung ho at it. But then the
Speaker 3: next day it's something completely different. And look, I will
Speaker 3: say when she's on point, she's on point. And there
Speaker 3: are moments where I was like, yes, sudden, like I
Speaker 3: agree with you, and you know, when she was saying
Speaker 3: about you know, Kyle and the storming out and this
Speaker 3: and that, and I do agree with her at times,
Speaker 3: but most of the time, I'm like, I just feel
Speaker 3: like she is erratic and she's volatile, and whatever suits
Speaker 3: her on that day is what she's going to do
Speaker 3: and what she's going to say.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you fire a lot of guns, you're
Speaker 1: going to hit the target. And that's what Sutton's amo is.
Speaker 1: She fires a lot of things off, some of them stick,
Speaker 1: but then there's all this other misfiring.
Speaker 3: And I didn't mind watching it in that smaller dynamic,
Speaker 3: and I kind of got her point when she was like,
Speaker 3: it's a bit more personal. I don't want every single
Speaker 3: person here. It's just a bit march. I get that,
Speaker 3: but it is hypocritical when you look back at the
Speaker 3: other episodes and what she's been trying to say about
Speaker 3: bringing people together. So it's just Sutten being Sutten.
Speaker 1: And you're right. We did get to see some really
Speaker 1: good dynamics, and it allowed us to see some dynamics
Speaker 1: with the other women as well, because shifting into what
Speaker 1: was happening with some of the other storylines, we get
Speaker 1: to see Kathy Hilton in a way that we've never
Speaker 1: seen Kathy Hilton. The kooky, crazy Kathy Hilton was taken
Speaker 1: down a notch and she was controlling storyline. We've never
Speaker 1: really seen her without Kyle, and we've never seen her
Speaker 1: driving conversations. And she was organizing a dinner yes with Deret,
Speaker 1: Erica and Bosma, and she's driving the conversation without the
Speaker 1: you know, weird kookie, yeah, crazy narrative.
Speaker 3: Hi, Sweeter, I wanted to invite you to dinner. I
Speaker 3: thought it'd be nice to have you an Eric and
Speaker 3: jury who I love that it was. I mean, I
Speaker 3: wonder how much of this is production where they go
Speaker 3: you know what we're going to split the dynamic. You
Speaker 3: guys are going to go off and do this, thought
Speaker 3: and you guys are going to go off and do
Speaker 3: this because I can't imagine that she would ordinarily be like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm going to call Bosma, who I don't even know
Speaker 3: without my sister and like have this dinner party. So
Speaker 3: I get that there's probably an element of that being curated.
Speaker 3: Having said that, a fabulous dinner party. I was so
Speaker 3: there for the table styling. I want moniment.
Speaker 1: I bought six lemons. Like, afterwards I watched it, I
Speaker 1: went and bought lemons. I put them in a bowl.
Speaker 1: But do you know my favorite thing of the whole
Speaker 1: episode was a Kathy Hilton moment, and it was when
Speaker 1: she said to Bozma when she was inviting her, She's
Speaker 1: basically like I think she thought she was sort of
Speaker 1: talking down her.
Speaker 2: She's like, are they seashells around your neck?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Are those polka shells or pearls? No? These are these
Speaker 3: are diamonds?
Speaker 2: Oh wow?
Speaker 1: Oh no, she would have they sea shells? Are they pearls?
Speaker 1: She's like, no, they're diamonds.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Kathy Hilton's like.
Speaker 3: Akat, I know, no, but I mean, look, we still
Speaker 3: got a little bit of and look, I feel like
Speaker 3: this was the sweet spot for Kathy because I quite like,
Speaker 3: you know, when she was like, oh I already thought
Speaker 3: Big was fifty six and she called him Jane said
Speaker 3: a piku. I'm like, those were funny moments, but they
Speaker 3: didn't feel staged, like, Oh, I need to say something
Speaker 3: really off the wall, I need to say something really quirky. Oh,
Speaker 3: who's hunky dory? Like that type of stuff to me
Speaker 3: always felt forced. This actually felt like genuine funny moments
Speaker 3: and she's just a little bit in her own world.
Speaker 3: But then she said some very measured things. And I
Speaker 3: think when it comes to relationships, you know, her and
Speaker 3: Rick have had one of the longest relationships in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: She's got every right to step in and add some
Speaker 3: value to that conversation because she's coming from a place
Speaker 3: of a solid relationship that's lasted, you know, the test
Speaker 3: of time. So I would love to hear her perspective
Speaker 3: on relationships and whether Dree you know, is going to
Speaker 3: make it with PK or whether she thinks it's I
Speaker 3: would love I'd love to hear that.
Speaker 1: So she's in orlane, she's allowed to say that, do
Speaker 1: you know, I think you've raised a really good point there.
Speaker 1: I think it's good to be able to see her
Speaker 1: sharing that. I mean it is hard because I mean
Speaker 1: they have fuck you money, which means that I'm sure
Speaker 1: that if they have a bad day, they can go
Speaker 1: out to you know, a French restaurant that evening and
Speaker 1: that you know, can fix a relationship. I could take
Speaker 1: Ben to Gold Class and fix any drama that we've had,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, I'm just talking about.
Speaker 3: It at lunch corn Combo, Babe, do you.
Speaker 1: Don't when you get the five meals for like one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty dollars? If I take I take Ben
Speaker 1: to Gold Class and we've been having a fight about something,
Speaker 1: meaning all I could take him to Gold Class and
Speaker 1: all is forgiven. Five meals and a movie and a
Speaker 1: bottle of wine.
Speaker 2: Done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if Robbie takes me to lunch. He did this
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. I was like the most
Speaker 3: angry at him I've been in like forever, I think,
Speaker 3: And he was like, do you want to go to
Speaker 3: vinn Populi, which is this beautiful Italian restaurant and have
Speaker 3: a nice lunch and I was like okay, and I
Speaker 3: just like, literally my whole mood changed. I'm putting on
Speaker 3: the outfit, I'm like, let's go. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: everyone's got a price, everyone's got a price.
Speaker 2: Like we're going to take you out to lunch or what?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Or where else are we going?
Speaker 3: Can I just tell you while we're on the Cabbyton thing,
Speaker 3: I think you'll find this story really funny. So, as
Speaker 3: you know, Robby and I are going to Italy at
Speaker 3: the end of May early June, and in that trip
Speaker 3: we are actually going to Capri for three nights, the
Speaker 3: island of Capri, And so when Kathy was having this
Speaker 3: Capri themed dinner party, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: because I really do feel a little bit like even
Speaker 3: though I don't really like her, I think, you know,
Speaker 3: she is a bit of a piece of work. However,
Speaker 3: I'm here for her hosting of parties, her interior day care,
Speaker 3: her Christmas styling, all of this, and I feel like,
Speaker 3: in that sense, I really am in my Kathy Hilton era.
Speaker 3: And so when she said she was having this Capri
Speaker 3: dinner party, I was like, oh my god, Like as
Speaker 3: if we could be any more aligned right now, I
Speaker 3: literally am be just a poorer version. And then I
Speaker 3: went back on to look at the Kathi Hilton hats
Speaker 3: by Lorna Murray that we were talking about a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago and that you know, she handed out all
Speaker 3: the girls those hats, and there was a capri hat
Speaker 3: which was yellow and white and yellow is my favorite color,
Speaker 3: with a little matching bag. Amazing, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I need this. Then I realized the hat that I
Speaker 3: was looking at was a child's hat. It wasn't the
Speaker 3: adult hat because she does hats for like younger kids.
Speaker 3: But I was like, I have to get it. So
Speaker 3: I went on the size, got it, and I feel
Speaker 3: like the large kids size hat could just fit me.
Speaker 3: So I ordered a large child hat, Capri style, just
Speaker 3: so I could be like Kathy Hilton and get a
Speaker 3: three yellow and white hat. True no returns, So if
Speaker 3: the hat doesn't fit, you must have quit.
Speaker 1: One of your girlfriend's kid's gonna get a really good
Speaker 1: present because.
Speaker 3: That doesn't fit, it must have quit.
Speaker 1: I'm just picturing you at like a Christmas time when
Speaker 1: they try and put the bombon hats on, you know,
Speaker 1: when you crack the thing in the hat, does it fit?
Speaker 2: And it rips.
Speaker 1: He'll be at home and you'll be crying, and Robbie'll
Speaker 1: be like, what's wrong, and you'll have half torn capri
Speaker 1: hat on your head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I won't look like Kathy at all.
Speaker 3: But I just thought, you know, these things, they do
Speaker 3: have influence. Let's be honest.
Speaker 2: So how is the bank balance going on Yavi to Italy?
Speaker 3: We have no money for food, but I'm going to
Speaker 3: look fabulous.
Speaker 1: Flying back into Also one of this one of the
Speaker 1: keynotes of this episode, and it may almost be my
Speaker 1: favorite episode of the series, was the return of Erica
Speaker 1: Jane in the best way possible. I think we saw
Speaker 1: Erica in this episode in a way we haven't seen
Speaker 1: Erica since her first season. Do you remember in the
Speaker 1: first season, it didn't matter how big of the drama,
Speaker 1: she gave the best advice, and she gave it from
Speaker 1: a land of on high, a land of on high,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It felt like she knew
Speaker 1: exactly what she was talking about, and she was dangerous
Speaker 1: with her opinion, but it was true and it was amazing.
Speaker 1: And we have watched this redemption coming for a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I think she's so eloquent she's so articulate,
Speaker 3: she is very intelligent, and her delivery and being so
Speaker 3: measured about it. That is where she holds so much
Speaker 3: power because she's never giving this sort of advice in
Speaker 3: an erratic, condescending She never is. Is that she is
Speaker 3: just like, I'm going to give you the facts, and
Speaker 3: here they are.
Speaker 2: And how good.
Speaker 1: But at that point where she says she was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was mind blowing. I was like, Dreka,
Speaker 1: but what happens if I want to go back? He
Speaker 1: does not want you back?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, And that was the cold.
Speaker 1: You know. I've had those conversations with girlfriends myself in
Speaker 1: separation when they've been leaving and they're like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I do still think there's a possibility. And even if
Speaker 1: they haven't said it to me, they've they've I can.
Speaker 1: I know that's what they're thinking. And you need someone
Speaker 1: to say he's gone.
Speaker 3: Do don't worry about you.
Speaker 5: I really do, And I'm sorry you're going through this,
Speaker 5: but I cannot sit here and bullship with you when
Speaker 5: I know what's coming for you. I wouldn't be a
Speaker 5: good friend. You've begged for honesty, and I'm gonna give
Speaker 5: it to you. You have to protect yourself. You have
Speaker 5: to go hold on a second. The price of Polker
Speaker 5: has completely changed. This is not my partner, this is
Speaker 5: not my friend. This is my adversary now. And let
Speaker 5: me tell you that is a dark or Lay says,
Speaker 5: I have hair on my arm.
Speaker 3: Truck her.
Speaker 2: That is a place to be.
Speaker 5: But that is where you are, and I don't know
Speaker 5: any other way to say that's you. You have to
Speaker 5: be proactive. I'm telling you right now. If you don't
Speaker 5: make these decisions, life.
Speaker 3: Will make it for you.
Speaker 2: Yes, he will make it for it. He will make
Speaker 2: it for you.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether this is a dangerous territory to enter,
Speaker 1: because I don't know enough about it all.
Speaker 2: But the letter that PK.
Speaker 1: Sent to her was really interesting because that's standard, that's
Speaker 1: really standard to start opening up conversations about expectation, and
Speaker 1: that's really what Dari received.
Speaker 3: I just think she's a woman that's been scored and
Speaker 3: she's about to start what he's going to be obviously
Speaker 3: quite a vicious process. And I can understand if she
Speaker 3: was like, well, I just don't know who I've been
Speaker 3: married to. This guy just seems completely different to me,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to have to. When she said, if
Speaker 3: I go to war like I'm going to go to war,
Speaker 3: I feel like that's, you know, we're going to see
Speaker 3: the grittiness. And that is what Erica did. She had
Speaker 3: to put on her gloves and fight, and it's, you know,
Speaker 3: it's an interesting step away from the fashion happy persona
Speaker 3: that we've seen for all those years, and it was
Speaker 3: the same with Erica. And I just loved that moment
Speaker 3: with Erica so much because when she said, I'm not
Speaker 3: just preaching to you, I am preaching to myself because
Speaker 3: I could have done a better job and I could
Speaker 3: have walked away sooner and it could have been beneficial
Speaker 3: to me. So I'm going to pass on, even though
Speaker 3: I don't feel like all you ladies were really there
Speaker 3: for me. I'm going to actually help you out here
Speaker 3: and give you a few tips and here's what I've learned,
Speaker 3: and here's how I think it could help you. And
Speaker 3: I just feel like she should be so vindicated for
Speaker 3: where she's at now and this redemption that she's had.
Speaker 1: I thought the thirty thousand dollars or whatever it was
Speaker 1: that was going towards there was like some money that
Speaker 1: was brought up from the guy that was even that
Speaker 1: was a modest amount of money. Like, I think she's
Speaker 1: come from a space where she would have paid thirty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for one tea cup back in the day,
Speaker 1: and she's still.
Speaker 2: Sharing the realities of her situation.
Speaker 1: Something we started last week, which I think is important,
Speaker 1: is talking about like a favorite moment of the episode,
Speaker 1: And my favorite moment of the episode was this full
Speaker 1: circle moment to see Erica allowed to have so much
Speaker 1: confidence in the advice that she was giving so much
Speaker 1: accurate advice even though it was uncomfortable, she.
Speaker 2: Still and she maneuvered it as well. I thought.
Speaker 1: She said, you've asked me to be real, and she
Speaker 1: sort of phrased it a few times before she went
Speaker 1: in and gave the advice to allow to read some
Speaker 1: time to say, I don't want to hear that from you.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to hear that from you. But she
Speaker 1: gave us some warnings and then she said this is it.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite part. It could almost be one
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments of the entire season. And maybe
Speaker 1: because I'm getting older, I'm enjoying truth bombs like that
Speaker 1: more than I'm enjoying the screaming the fighting.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I've felt the same, I really did. I
Speaker 3: really loved the journey of this episode. And I feel
Speaker 3: like when you watch that, you know with Erica, it
Speaker 3: was just such a poignant moment and she has been
Speaker 3: a very good friend to to read and that is
Speaker 3: definitely a moment where you can say, I'm being your
Speaker 3: genuine friend. Here is the information. And to her point
Speaker 3: where she's like, I need proof about things like you know,
Speaker 3: rubber Rah, she waited until she had that proof. When
Speaker 3: Dur brought up the email, she was like, that's all
Speaker 3: the proof I need. Now I'm going to say what
Speaker 3: I want to say. I've been thinking it, but now
Speaker 3: you've given me hard, cold facts. This is what I
Speaker 3: thought to be true. He doesn't want you. It's going
Speaker 3: to get ugly, and now I can deliver you this
Speaker 3: information on a silver platter, but in a very measured
Speaker 3: way and as a true friend. And to have the
Speaker 3: backing of Bose there, who's obviously quite a strong woman
Speaker 3: as well, and even Kathy I think you know she
Speaker 3: was like, you know, the gloves are going to have
Speaker 3: to come off. It was such a good and also
Speaker 3: yeah for Erica too, just to be like she's cwed
Speaker 3: her way out from the shit, and now here she
Speaker 3: is helping someone else get out of their shit. I mean,
Speaker 3: hats off, hats off.
Speaker 1: Those hats are expensive and I'll make sure that make
Speaker 1: sure that they're not child sized or we don't know yet.
Speaker 1: The jury's out. How many Alana maclean's you're going to
Speaker 1: give this episode?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I feel like this was I really
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. It's definitely a four point five. I'm almost
Speaker 3: keen to give it a five, but I just feel like, ooh,
Speaker 3: it was different in that we saw the groups interacting differently,
Speaker 3: and I think I quite enjoy that. I'm going to
Speaker 3: stick with four point five. I think for five the
Speaker 3: only thing I would need to get it to a
Speaker 3: five is some kind of glamorous occasion thrown in there.
Speaker 1: But that was Kathy Hilton's lemons on her shirt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like there was opulence in this episode. Like I would
Speaker 1: say to me, this is what I want from Housewives
Speaker 1: is this episode.
Speaker 2: I watched the whole thing, and it's what I want.
Speaker 1: And it's sometimes really interesting because what I think I
Speaker 1: want is a don't talk about the husband and like
Speaker 1: a smashing of the glass or some kind of like
Speaker 1: real savage comment. But I just felt like with this episode,
Speaker 1: I was like, No, what I actually want is to
Speaker 1: immerse myself into the Beverly Hills lifestyle and the culture
Speaker 1: of it. And I feel like that's what was put forward.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go with a five for this.
Speaker 3: Oh he's there, he is there. I love this.
Speaker 1: But that's because and I say this to you right now,
Speaker 1: Alana MacLean, and that is that we started way too
Speaker 1: high with our scoring and now we've got nowhere to go.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean unless it's a complete dive, you know.
Speaker 3: But I feel like, yeah, that was brilliant, and I
Speaker 3: felt like, you know, we'd had that mid season trailer
Speaker 3: and this felt like the new chapter.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One thing I just want to jump in Sutton and
Speaker 3: the trip to Augusta with Reeba her mother, Like can
Speaker 3: we start to see now where Button gets a little
Speaker 3: bit of this cuckoonus from because her mum and the
Speaker 3: lack of awareness when Garcel bought her that beautiful scarf
Speaker 3: from Sas and she was like, uh, what is it?
Speaker 3: Oh a scarf? Huh.
Speaker 1: I took the time I went to Sacks, I picked
Speaker 1: out a gift.
Speaker 6: I had it wrapped, I brought it on the commercial plate.
Speaker 2: Use this is a so long you could do that
Speaker 2: skin beautiful. Maybe I should have pulled a Kyle and
Speaker 2: brought nothing.
Speaker 3: I might turn it into a sarong. And then you know,
Speaker 3: Garcelle had gone over and above to connect with her
Speaker 3: by giving her the scarf, talking about her grandkids, and
Speaker 3: she was like, whatever, Oh, Kyle, you're so pretty. I
Speaker 3: was just like, oh, that is something. Just Also, people
Speaker 3: online are like, is she like low key racist or
Speaker 3: what is going on? She felt very uncomfortable. That is
Speaker 3: the narrative that's online, people like what is going on here?
Speaker 3: But it was very to me. I wasn't really thinking
Speaker 3: about it through that lens, but I just thought, the
Speaker 3: apple doesn't fall far from the tree. This is where
Speaker 3: she has those odd moments where you go, how could
Speaker 3: you read it like that?
Speaker 1: Like your self alway, where she gets honestly like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We kind of preview next week's episode
Speaker 1: with a little sample of garcel having a conversation with
Speaker 1: Sutton's mother, you know, Riba, about the issues and the
Speaker 1: issues that she's been able to hear from Sutton over
Speaker 1: the years. About the fractures between this mother and daughter relationship,
Speaker 1: and it did make me think about how as a friend,
Speaker 1: the one thing I have learnt is do not take
Speaker 1: the issues that you have learnt from your friends to
Speaker 1: their parents.
Speaker 2: It is not your place.
Speaker 1: So I felt like sudden, So I feel like Garcel
Speaker 1: is setting herself up for a massive failure. And it's
Speaker 1: also worth pointing out that Riba might be the first
Speaker 1: person this season to call Garcel out for stirring the pot,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, I mean I'm looking forward to seeing that
Speaker 3: unfolding the episode. And I think, you know, whether it's
Speaker 3: production that's sort of forced it or where it's come from.
Speaker 3: But we have been saying we need more from Sutton.
Speaker 3: We need to start seeing her real life and if
Speaker 3: her kids aren't around and they're not kind of part
Speaker 3: of it, we need to be seeing something else. This
Speaker 3: is giving us that we are starting to see the dynamics.
Speaker 3: We're starting to see a little bit and understand why
Speaker 3: she is the way she is. This relationship is very
Speaker 3: complicated and complex, so you know, and just even seeing
Speaker 3: the house, like that's one of the houses that she
Speaker 3: got in the divorce, and then She's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: like Reba just lives in this palace out the back.
Speaker 3: Just all of that, you start to understand something a
Speaker 3: bit more so us as viewers. We've been wanting that.
Speaker 3: Now we're getting it, and I think that really added
Speaker 3: to the power of this episode.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think that that is very true.
Speaker 1: I haven't put together my thoughts on a Andy Cohen question.
Speaker 1: It's fine. We're at episode ten. We've still apparently got
Speaker 1: eight episodes left before we get to the three part reunion.
Speaker 1: I believe they haven't shot the three part reunions, so
Speaker 1: we're still able to send questions in where by the
Speaker 1: time the season finishes, you don't have that chance.
Speaker 2: But I think.
Speaker 1: If I could be leaning into something and maybe you
Speaker 1: could help me workshop it. It is about the questions
Speaker 1: that circle around Kyle and Durte's marriages and whether or
Speaker 1: not they have staged anything to keep a diamond.
Speaker 2: There's something in that sphere. I don't know.
Speaker 1: How to ask that question, but there still seems to
Speaker 1: be a lot of conversation about whether or not these
Speaker 1: women have been fully honest about what's happened in their
Speaker 1: relationships to tease us enough to keep us interested and
Speaker 1: keep us wanting to stick around for their story.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's definitely something in you know,
Speaker 3: a Bravo aware of some of these scenes behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: and don't force the ladies to talk about them or
Speaker 3: are they just as in the dark as us?
Speaker 1: And then they apparently they get to sit down with
Speaker 1: their contracts though at the start. I did hear that
Speaker 1: this week, and they get to say, these are some
Speaker 1: of the things that are off the table, so they
Speaker 1: can put things in their contract. And apparently Kathy Hilton
Speaker 1: does have a long list of them, so.
Speaker 3: I'm sure she does. We knew that, and that's why
Speaker 3: she'll never be a diamond holder unhile she just wants
Speaker 3: to pop up every now and again.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's going to happen. I reckon, next year,
Speaker 1: we're going to get Kathy. I think we're going to
Speaker 1: get Kathy. I think, yeah, I think I've never thought
Speaker 1: that until now. It was not until this episode that
Speaker 1: I saw her drop the veil of the kooky, crazy
Speaker 1: Kathy to give us just a little bit more and
Speaker 1: I think that might be just enough the sense of
Speaker 1: confidence for her to think that she could do this,
Speaker 1: and then she'll get a full season as a full housewife,
Speaker 1: safe as houses, and then everyone's going to come for
Speaker 1: her like the coven.
Speaker 2: That they are, and she's going to go up in flames.
Speaker 3: I just don't That's why, I just don't think she'd
Speaker 3: ever put herself in that position. Apart from the fact
Speaker 3: that I think she wouldn't even be able to commit
Speaker 3: to a filming schedule. She seems like she's all over
Speaker 3: the play. She travels a lot, you know, I just
Speaker 3: I can't see her taking on a full role of Diamond. However,
Speaker 3: as much as she you know, wants to be in
Speaker 3: this lane and play this type of role within the show,
Speaker 3: I think that's better. That's a better place for her,
Speaker 3: and I actually appreciated her more without this forced kookiness
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, she did also say something which was quite good.
Speaker 1: You know, we saw her reference Kyle without Kyle in
Speaker 1: the room. You know, she said, Kyle doesn't appreciate it
Speaker 1: when I do this, and you know, we've had problems
Speaker 1: before when I've stepped over those boundaries. So like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just felt like we got to there
Speaker 1: was some sharon. There was some Sharon from her in
Speaker 1: a way that wasn't hunky dory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean another question for Andy Cohen. It
Speaker 3: would be interesting to sort of ask him, which he
Speaker 3: would never answer, but was to eat on the chopping
Speaker 3: block and season saved her? Oh yes, I would love
Speaker 3: to know where it got to with the contract negotiations.
Speaker 3: And we read a lot of that stuff online and
Speaker 3: I just feel like there was so much rumbling. So
Speaker 3: I feel like she really was close and that is
Speaker 3: why she's delivered in spades this season.
Speaker 2: I'm texting this right now. We're saying that.
Speaker 3: You have to say Benjamin Norris from Australia. He likes
Speaker 3: to know the country.
Speaker 2: I'm putting your name down on my name down. But
Speaker 2: that is the question. I'm workshopping this.
Speaker 1: I have to run because I have a birthday party
Speaker 1: happening behind me.
Speaker 2: I've been very good.
Speaker 1: I can hear them all like as they're arriving, because
Speaker 1: they're all arriving here at one o'clock. Yes, I also
Speaker 1: have to go and pick up two of them from
Speaker 1: Avalon Airport now where their flights are getting into two.
Speaker 2: It's all happening.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you're living your own housewife life today, having
Speaker 3: a fabulous party on my dogs apparently told me.
Speaker 2: It's just joined in.
Speaker 3: He's saying, happy fortieth, Ben, I love it. Have hat
Speaker 3: the best birthday celebration for your love. And I love
Speaker 3: you and I will talk to you next week.
Speaker 2: Bye bye, love,