Speaker 1: Welcome back to my new podcast series, Rage Against the Menopause.
Speaker 1: Episode two has something for everyone, really, not only women,
Speaker 1: but those with male partners and kids. Also, because perimenopause
Speaker 1: and menopause radiates to everyone around you. If you like
Speaker 1: me and at times really struggling with the symptoms, some days,
Speaker 1: chances are your support network is looking for ways to
Speaker 1: help and also trying to understand what's going on with
Speaker 1: their matriarch. Miserable Magical Menopause features author Alison Daddo. You
Speaker 1: may remember her as the eighties Aussie supermodel married to
Speaker 1: actor Cameron Daddo, but she's also a hugely successful author
Speaker 1: of the bestseller Queen Menopause, Finding Your Majesty in the Mayhem,
Speaker 1: which touches on the impact of menopause on her marriage
Speaker 1: and her family unit. It's really helped me and my
Speaker 1: husband and teenage daughter. I think you'll find it useful also, Alis,
Speaker 1: in congratulation on.
Speaker 2: Your book, thank you so much, Thank you.
Speaker 1: And can I say the title it's just an absolute triumph.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely the title is brilliant. How did you come
Speaker 1: up with it?
Speaker 2: You know it jumped out at me at the very
Speaker 2: beginning because as I was writing the book sort of
Speaker 2: towards the end, I just I was just like, I
Speaker 2: just want women to feel at the end of their
Speaker 2: menopause or as they're going through it, that they feel
Speaker 2: like a queen, that they can somehow find the queen,
Speaker 2: and then that they don't feel like some broken, horrible,
Speaker 2: washed up old lady at the end of it. I
Speaker 2: want them to feel so good about themselves. And there
Speaker 2: is so much mayhem, as we all know often with
Speaker 2: ferrymenopause and menopause. Not everyone, of course, but it certainly
Speaker 2: was to me. And I had that title Queen Menopause
Speaker 2: for a while and then I actually changed it because
Speaker 2: I mentioned it to my family and my daughter went, so,
Speaker 2: you're saying that you're Queen Menopause. I was like, oh, crap, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: now I'm not Queen Menopause. I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: can't have this going to haunt me that people are
Speaker 2: thinking that I've claimed myself as the queen. I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I want everyone to feel like they are, and so
Speaker 2: I changed it. I think I had miserable magical menopause
Speaker 2: or something like that, but the publishing company went, nah,
Speaker 2: it's got to be queen menopause. So I'm glad they
Speaker 2: talked me back into it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's brilliant. Don't you love the honesty of
Speaker 1: a daughter. They can't write to the chase.
Speaker 2: That's so true.
Speaker 1: The thing with it, Allison, I've got to say, it's
Speaker 1: it's for me. It's been the most amazing self help book,
Speaker 1: and I've bought it for so many of my girlfriends
Speaker 1: in their fifties as well. It honestly, it feels like
Speaker 1: your words right through your chapters, they're so profound, like
Speaker 1: they struck such a chord with me and my girlfriends.
Speaker 1: It really it feels like a beautiful, warm hug from
Speaker 1: your best friend. There's so many passages in there where
Speaker 1: I have been able to get solace. So it's it
Speaker 1: has helped me so so much, And I think what
Speaker 1: I've gained most of all from your words is that, hey,
Speaker 1: you're not alone and you're not going crazy, that you
Speaker 1: are inverted commas normal.
Speaker 2: Well, it became sort of multi layer. The more I wrote,
Speaker 2: the more I sort of realized, you know, what was
Speaker 2: sort of happening for me as well as how the
Speaker 2: book kept evolving. But the original thought around it all
Speaker 2: was I felt so alone. I felt like I was
Speaker 2: on my own and didn't know what anyone else was feeling.
Speaker 2: No one was talking to me about menopause or had
Speaker 2: ever talked to me about menopause. I just thought, this
Speaker 2: is insane and like, there's no way I could be
Speaker 2: the only one experience in this, the fact that half
Speaker 2: the population are women. So I just really wanted to
Speaker 2: sort of give. And the more I spoke to people
Speaker 2: and spoke to people postmenopause as well, I thought, we
Speaker 2: need to find a way after everything that women go
Speaker 2: through physically with their gynological system, and you know, it's
Speaker 2: like enough, like hang on a minute. You know, we've
Speaker 2: gone that we've dealt with as you would know from
Speaker 2: what you're saying, We've dealt with the painful periods for
Speaker 2: so many years, the pcos, the endometriosis, you know, women
Speaker 2: got women going through labor and you know, tearing up
Speaker 2: peraneums and like just so much. And I thought, and
Speaker 2: this is what happens when we get into this stage
Speaker 2: our life, that this is this is how it ends.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is not okay. And the fact that
Speaker 2: so many women were keeping silent about it because we're
Speaker 2: kind of trained too, And I thought, and the more
Speaker 2: I found out about women leaving the workforce because of it,
Speaker 2: relationships breaking down. You know, that the way we view
Speaker 2: ourselves as a woman feeling so ugly and broken and
Speaker 2: gross because we've put on all this weight and our
Speaker 2: skins change. And I thought, this is not the way
Speaker 2: we can finish this our cycle like this, This is
Speaker 2: not okay. So I really wanted to find is there
Speaker 2: any silver lining in this? Is there anything that we
Speaker 2: can sort of catch a hold up that's going to
Speaker 2: actually feel like, okay, we might not look forward to menopause,
Speaker 2: maybe you know, hopefully we could get there eventually, but
Speaker 2: we can sort of, you know, look at it in
Speaker 2: a way that it's simply going to change us and
Speaker 2: hopefully change us for the better.
Speaker 1: In some ways, I find it so so confusing really
Speaker 1: sort of going into perimenopause and menopause, because on one regard,
Speaker 1: you're feeling, you know, I feel when I turned fifty,
Speaker 1: I felt this great sense of self and self assurance
Speaker 1: that I hadn't sort of felt before, like, you know,
Speaker 1: comfortable in my own skin and probably more confident that
Speaker 1: I've than I've ever been. And yet on the other hand,
Speaker 1: it was like a jackal Hyde situation for me. And
Speaker 1: then on the other hand, I was starting to go
Speaker 1: through this horrible perimenopausal situation which gives you, as a
Speaker 1: media presenter self, you know, imposter syndrome.
Speaker 2: Oh look, I mean I think it was so I
Speaker 2: just found the whole experience really confronting. It was confronting
Speaker 2: the fact that by how my body had changed so dramatically,
Speaker 2: the mate gain was was quite a lot for me.
Speaker 2: How I just had no ability at some days to
Speaker 2: get out of bed. But yeah, I know what you're
Speaker 2: talking about, because but I feel like those physical changes
Speaker 2: almost forced me into that place of you know what,
Speaker 2: You're still alive, you're not broken, you don't have cancer,
Speaker 2: You've got a great life for your kids and your husband.
Speaker 2: What are you going to focus on? Like, you can't
Speaker 2: just focus on the fact that you've got fat sighs
Speaker 2: and cellulate to your ankles anymore like that. There's so
Speaker 2: much more to life than that. And it's stripped away
Speaker 2: a lot of that sort of self reflection in the
Speaker 2: mirror type thing and made me just go so much
Speaker 2: more internalized to go, Okay, look, what is it that
Speaker 2: you want them? Is what it's going to make you
Speaker 2: feel good, not like look good, but feel good about
Speaker 2: who you are. So it really flipped that for me,
Speaker 2: and I get caught in all the like the reflection
Speaker 2: in the mirror, going oh boy, okay, I still look
Speaker 2: like I'm carrying a baby at six months. Okay, I
Speaker 2: still get asked that. I got asked at first the
Speaker 2: other day, Yeah, by this, by this man. He goes, oh,
Speaker 2: when did you do? And I was like, I'm fifty.
Speaker 1: Three, are you cool? How did you respond?
Speaker 2: I just said, well, it was the weirdest thing about
Speaker 2: it was I was sort of under the water, kind
Speaker 2: of like up to stop of my chest, and I
Speaker 2: think he was actually flirting with me, which.
Speaker 3: I have not had a man human.
Speaker 2: It's been a long time back between anyone's learned. Because
Speaker 2: he said, I said, oh, do you come here often?
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, yeah, Cepy, is this your
Speaker 2: favorite beat? And I'm like, I think something happening here
Speaker 2: that's weird. And then I kind of I stood up
Speaker 2: to go in and he looked and he goes, oh, oh,
Speaker 2: when do you do? And I said, oh, fat, and
Speaker 2: he goes, that's okay, i'n't fat too.
Speaker 1: Oh No, what an unusual encounter.
Speaker 2: I was like, And then Cam was on the beach
Speaker 2: and he came up to me ears, hey, honey. I
Speaker 2: was like, Hi, my husband, Hello, thank you for saving me.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I love that. There's a chapter in the book,
Speaker 1: Allison where you do touch on partners and how hormonal
Speaker 1: change impacts them and how they can help support you,
Speaker 1: which is really refreshing. There's a lot of books around
Speaker 1: that don't touch on that subject. Obviously, you've got a
Speaker 1: long marriage, You've been together a very long time. I
Speaker 1: would say you are soul mates. How has his support
Speaker 1: played a role in this time of life for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, there's been a lot of changes in our relationship,
Speaker 2: you know, due to menopause, and I think Cam's had
Speaker 2: to be well why not? I think I know Cam
Speaker 2: has had to be really patient and really understanding, and
Speaker 2: you know, there are times that it's been really frustrating
Speaker 2: for him. And I've had this sort of ben explain
Speaker 2: more about what I'm feeling and have my own patience
Speaker 2: with his frustration. But he's been once, you know, and
Speaker 2: I mentioned this in the book, Once we sort of
Speaker 2: really understood more about about perimenopause, and many metopause and
Speaker 2: the changes I was going through that it had nothing
Speaker 2: to actually do with him. It was the hormonal changes
Speaker 2: in my body that was making me hot and frustrated
Speaker 2: and angry and sad. It was like, Okay, now we
Speaker 2: can be on the same team. And that was where
Speaker 2: it was really challenging. So I felt like I was
Speaker 2: fighting him about going to understand, and he was he
Speaker 2: couldn't understand what was going on because I didn't understand
Speaker 2: what was going on. So there was arguments about that,
Speaker 2: and he was trying to fix me the whole time
Speaker 2: because he wanted me to feel better. So once we
Speaker 2: sort of understood really what was going on chemically, hormonally, emotionally,
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, now we get it, and now
Speaker 2: we can sort of look at it together and see
Speaker 2: how we can both support me going through it.
Speaker 1: It was a light bulb moment. And that's why books
Speaker 1: like yours are so pivotal. As we start talking and
Speaker 1: opening the conversation, let's talk about menopause. I just you know,
Speaker 1: there's so many books on conception and pregnancy that we
Speaker 1: touched on earlier, but you know, the conversation it's not
Speaker 1: out there open enough. Women. You know, we need to
Speaker 1: have a raw, frank discussion as women as a society,
Speaker 1: also as men supporting their wives and partners. It can't
Speaker 1: be a dirty word any longer. The more we talk
Speaker 1: about it, the more we educate ourselves and better outcomes,
Speaker 1: don't you think.
Speaker 2: Absolutely? And as you said, we're talking about infertility. Now
Speaker 2: we're talking about endometriosis. We're talking about you know, IBF,
Speaker 2: and likee, it's something that's just it just happens, and
Speaker 2: this is the same this is the same thing. It is,
Speaker 2: it will happen. It's going to happen to every woman,
Speaker 2: and whether they get symptoms or not, but it does
Speaker 2: need to be normalized. And I was, I was to
Speaker 2: see there was an article in the City Morning Herald
Speaker 2: written by a woman saying women need to shut up
Speaker 2: about menopause work. That was the title of the article.
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, no, there's been too much
Speaker 2: talk about it already. And I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: We've just started, we just started already. That kind of
Speaker 2: that influence is coming to sort of shut women's voices down.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, no, no, no, hang on, let
Speaker 2: us speak, let us understand, let us talk with each other,
Speaker 2: let us talk with our bosses and have some understanding
Speaker 2: around the workplace and how it affects his air. And
Speaker 2: you know, I was so disappointed to read that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a common theme minopause and the workplace and
Speaker 1: the devastating impacts that it has. I do shift work.
Speaker 1: I get up at three in the morning, but I
Speaker 1: have and it's not ideal as a radio presenter, but
Speaker 1: these moments where the brain fog and I've had oh
Speaker 1: my god, Allison, where I've been on a spiel on
Speaker 1: air and then I just completely forget what I was
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, completely forget, and luckily my co hosts
Speaker 1: can pick up and we have a bit of a
Speaker 1: joke about it. But I was telling a girlfriend actually
Speaker 1: the other day, I said, it's so humiliating, and she goes,
Speaker 1: why is it? And I said, well, you know, I've
Speaker 1: been in radio over thirty years. I'm meant talking is
Speaker 1: my living. I'm meant to be good at it. And
Speaker 1: she said, yeah, but why don't you take advantage of
Speaker 1: the situation and admit that, hey, I've actually got brain fog?
Speaker 1: And I said, because that would make me feel like
Speaker 1: I wasn't good at my job, and she said, you're crazy.
Speaker 1: You've got this powerful position to be able to spread
Speaker 1: the message you're doing this podcast, like, just admit brain fuging,
Speaker 1: you know. I thought she's absolutely right. It starts with
Speaker 1: us in opening the conversation and being raw and being
Speaker 1: honest and just telling it how it is.
Speaker 2: And I understand that there is unfortunately, there is that
Speaker 2: you know, and again it's referencing that article. You know.
Speaker 2: What she did say, which I do agree with in
Speaker 2: this sense, is that women have worked so hard as
Speaker 2: you have. You've worked thirty years to get to the
Speaker 2: place that you're at, and that you know, for some
Speaker 2: women it's like I've worked that hard and I don't
Speaker 2: want another reason for my male boss or male coworkers
Speaker 2: to think, oh, she can't do her job. So I'm
Speaker 2: not going to mention anything about metaphors. I'm just going
Speaker 2: to stuff it down, deal with it, walk out of
Speaker 2: the room moment when I'm having a hot flush, and
Speaker 2: I just and even that alone just breaks my heart
Speaker 2: that you can't just be open about that without sort
Speaker 2: of some repercussions. But I understand that some women feel
Speaker 2: like they cannot say anything about it because they've they've
Speaker 2: fought so hard to be in the position that they're
Speaker 2: at that they have, and you know that I would
Speaker 2: love to see that change. I was talking to a
Speaker 2: female surgeon and she was saying, can you imagine as
Speaker 2: I'm going in there in surgery and I am covered
Speaker 2: head to toe, mask, hat, everything, gloves and I get
Speaker 2: a hot flash. I just thought, holy crap, holy crap,
Speaker 2: like horrible, sweat that out. Yeah, keep going like you
Speaker 2: can't walk out of no git an operating room at
Speaker 2: that point. You know, there's so many places where it's the.
Speaker 1: Challenge can I touch on a subject with my experience
Speaker 1: that's really sort of hit me for six And I
Speaker 1: know you do mention it in the book as well,
Speaker 1: And that is the impact on your sex life. The
Speaker 1: one thing that I really wasn't prepared for is the
Speaker 1: lack of sex drive. And honestly, Allison, it's like someone's
Speaker 1: just turned the tap off, and I fear that for
Speaker 1: my poor husband. I feel like it's never going to
Speaker 1: come back. It's honestly has been like that, like a
Speaker 1: dramatic change, and that's really hit me for six.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. But you know there was also the impacts
Speaker 2: were there was so much. Not only was the you know,
Speaker 2: hormonally that was happening, but because I wasn't sleeping. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, lack of sleep is always going to impact
Speaker 2: your sex drive usually I shouldn't say always, but that
Speaker 2: you know, being absolutely exhausted is never going to make
Speaker 2: you feel like you want to jump into bed. You
Speaker 2: know you're emotional, like or I was really emotional. That's
Speaker 2: never going to make me want to feel that way.
Speaker 2: I was in mourning because of what was going on
Speaker 2: with my body and what was my intility now was
Speaker 2: like gone. So there was all of that, and those
Speaker 2: hot flushes was just like at night those nights plates were.
Speaker 1: Just was that really bad for you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I didn't you know, to have another body besides
Speaker 2: you was like, oh god. So it was you know,
Speaker 2: going to another bed to sort of sleep with the
Speaker 2: covers off and the fan on and thegnifting down to
Speaker 2: zero and yes, to get some peace that way. So
Speaker 2: all of those things, you know, are going to impact
Speaker 2: the sex drive anyway. Let alone the fact that estrogen
Speaker 2: and progesterones dropped and you know that lovey dovey feeling
Speaker 2: has chemically been reduced as well.
Speaker 1: I really think this has been probably one of, if
Speaker 1: not the most challenging sort of periods of my life.
Speaker 1: Even then, when you know, we went through five years
Speaker 1: of infertility and treatment and finally getting our daughter that
Speaker 1: that obviously was a difficult time, and when she was three,
Speaker 1: I was diagnosed with cancer.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: But I find this is really exhausting because I think
Speaker 1: as a woman in your fifties, I have two elderly
Speaker 1: parents in their eighties, so you're stepping up to support them.
Speaker 1: It's like all these outside not pressure is probably isn't
Speaker 1: the right word to describe it, but these other influences
Speaker 1: in your life, and now I'm grappling with not feeling
Speaker 1: myself and not being on top of everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it was because it's similar thing.
Speaker 2: You know, my two parents are in their late eighties,
Speaker 2: so dealing with their health issues with the kids, and
Speaker 2: then you know, that's that's enough on its own, but yeah,
Speaker 2: adds like that whole other extra challenge of trying to
Speaker 2: deal with what your body's going through and not really
Speaker 2: knowing as well. That's what I found. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know when it's going to stop. No,
Speaker 2: when that's tomorrow.
Speaker 1: They don't know how far. That's really frustrating, Like it's
Speaker 1: not okay. So at the end of the twelve months,
Speaker 1: this it's just like such a great area. Everyone is different,
Speaker 1: isn't it Like if you knew that you had a
Speaker 1: finish line, you could cross the days off.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's and that's part of the problem in
Speaker 2: the sense of going to you know, and I really
Speaker 2: really recommend women to go to their GPS, find a
Speaker 2: good GP to A is going to understand you hormonally
Speaker 2: and give you some help, or your natural path, whoever
Speaker 2: you go to. But that's often the challenge that we're
Speaker 2: in as well, because Okay, we're like, oh, well, my
Speaker 2: parents are not feeling well. You know, I'm dealing with that.
Speaker 2: It's stressful at work. I've got a teenager. I feel
Speaker 2: that great. I'm putting on this weight. It's stress and
Speaker 2: we go this way and we carry it and we
Speaker 2: carry it until a wha sort of well now I'm
Speaker 2: really hot, now I can't sleep. When we need to
Speaker 2: know those symptoms early enough to be able to go
Speaker 2: and seek help early, so we're already on top of
Speaker 2: it or at the very least know about it even
Speaker 2: before we even have our first perimenopausal symptoms. So we
Speaker 2: go into perimenopause healthier, knowing more about the information, knowing
Speaker 2: what we're looking at, what we need to do for
Speaker 2: our bodies in order to prepare ourselves in some ways
Speaker 2: for what the changes are ahead. And I don't I
Speaker 2: think so many women I know I did. I had
Speaker 2: no clue. I went into perimenopause very unfit and unhealthy,
Speaker 2: and you know, made everything twenty times worse.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think we're all in that same boat. And
Speaker 1: knowledge is power, isn't it. Yeah, you know, which is
Speaker 1: why we need to open the conversation and help one
Speaker 1: another as a sisterhood. Mental health is a big thing.
Speaker 1: And anxiety. I know one of my girlfriends is really
Speaker 1: grappling with anxiety and normally a really confident, vivacious woman,
Speaker 1: and it's just crippled her some days. She has some
Speaker 1: really bad days. Anxiety is so common, isn't it? In menopause.
Speaker 2: That was for me the hardest symptom of all was
Speaker 2: my mental health and way.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry that took me where I just was absolutely
Speaker 3: at a loss and days of not wanting to interact
Speaker 3: with anyone to get out of bed, felt like, you know,
Speaker 3: my kids and my.
Speaker 2: Husband would be better off if they if I wasn't
Speaker 2: around anymore, like things that I've never ever, ever had
Speaker 2: had experienced in my life. And it was it was
Speaker 2: also in the flip side, it was that was one
Speaker 2: of the biggest wake up calls to go, you need help.
Speaker 2: You've actually got to really do something about this. You've
Speaker 2: never had thoughts like this, So what do you need
Speaker 2: to do now for yourself to get yourself through this,
Speaker 2: get yourself out of this and feel better. And that's
Speaker 2: where I you can honestly say, I've been grateful for
Speaker 2: menopause because it's put me on this road of self
Speaker 2: care and self love I have never been on in
Speaker 2: my entire life. So that's where it's really been a
Speaker 2: big shift and a big change for me, which I'm
Speaker 2: grateful for.
Speaker 1: On the broader sort of term of of treatments and
Speaker 1: helped to get you through that through metopause. What did
Speaker 1: you do? Was it accupuncture or was it patches?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I because I had always first and foremost
Speaker 2: my for my whole life, I've always on the naturopathic
Speaker 2: way and the therapy way. So Cam and I started
Speaker 2: doing couple therapy again just to sort of talk about
Speaker 2: what was happening in the marriage. But that was our
Speaker 2: first thing that really helped. I also had one on
Speaker 2: one therapy, so that was sort of helping my mental
Speaker 2: health a lot. And I went and saw I actually
Speaker 2: did go through two doctors. I saw a GP who
Speaker 2: was a hormone specialist, and I saw my naturopath. And
Speaker 2: she's someone who had known me for quite a few years,
Speaker 2: so she immediately had me on hormone balances. There's stuff
Speaker 2: in mental health that's naturopathic as well, but I do antidepressants,
Speaker 2: but she had me on this natural pathic stuff that
Speaker 2: was really impactful and really helped. She was working with
Speaker 2: my dream or system that was absolutely shot TOHP, so
Speaker 2: she was helping impact that. And then I just started
Speaker 2: looking at what else can I do for my mental health,
Speaker 2: you know, which meant going for little walks, getting extra
Speaker 2: hugs and watching funny movies and turning off the news.
Speaker 2: I have to turn off the news, and you could
Speaker 2: not watch any news that was too talent help you. Yep, no, no,
Speaker 2: So it really became for the first time, you know,
Speaker 2: like what do I need? What do I need to do?
Speaker 2: Not like what do my kids need? Where's my husband need?
Speaker 2: What are my parents need? What do I need to
Speaker 2: do for myself? First? And then I can see if
Speaker 2: I have something left to care for other people.
Speaker 1: But right now you're so inspirational. Ellison's seriously helping you proactive,
Speaker 1: You've been and positive and turning what is a really
Speaker 1: daunting period your life into so many positives and helping
Speaker 1: so many other women. I've got to say, I just
Speaker 1: love your books. It's beside my bed and I will
Speaker 1: pick it up and read sections when I'm feeling like
Speaker 1: I need that support. It Really, when I say it's
Speaker 1: a self help book, it really has been. It's been
Speaker 1: like a lifeline to me. So thank you so so much.
Speaker 1: I think you're the poster girl of menopause.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you. I mean just just even
Speaker 2: you know, my intention was I thought about fourteen people
Speaker 2: would buy my book. No one's going to want to
Speaker 2: read this book about menopause. But just hearing you say that, like,
Speaker 2: that's everything for me. Like to think that that my
Speaker 2: words helped you is that's like gold in the bank
Speaker 2: any day. So thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 1: Allison Daddo, author of Queen menopause, finding your majesty in
Speaker 1: the Mayhem, through Allan and Unwin. Come with me to
Speaker 1: episode three, where I acknowledge and bow at the feet
Speaker 1: of a true menopause Trailblazer, ABC presenter and editor of
Speaker 1: the University of Melbourne's Research news website, Imagen Crump, who
Speaker 1: was one of the first Ossie women in media to
Speaker 1: bravely admit live on national TV she was having a
Speaker 1: hot flush. It's the start of the revolution, sisters, and
Speaker 1: it starts with us.