1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Two Good Sports would like to acknowledge the traditional owners 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: of the land on which we record this podcast that 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: will run dury people. This land was never seated, always was, 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: always will be. Hello and welcome to two Good Sports 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: sports news told differently. I'm Georgie Tune. 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: You're given that, so Mayo. I'm Abby Delmian. On today's show. 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 2: Netball is far and beyond our most popular team sport 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: for women and girls in Australia, and they've got the 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: stats to prove it, George. So we're talking data from 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two showing that eight hundred and thirty eight 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: thousand women and girls bibbed up last year. It's a 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: huge number. That's wapping three hundred and ninety seven thousand 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: more than the next. 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, wow, would you put it in perspective 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: like that? That's really good. Also, how good was my 16 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: whistle just then? I'll really worried what was gonna come out? 17 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: It's stunning. 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: But this checks out because when you think about our youth, 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: every girl that you knew played netball either through school 20 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: or junior years. It is far and beyond our most 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: popular girls sport. So why and how in a time 22 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: where women's sport, you could argue in Australia, has never 23 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: been in a better position. It is thriving Ala Matilda's think. 24 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: Our cricketers, everyone is doing really well. Why is it 25 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: that our elite in netball are not getting paid? And 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: we don't mean not getting paid what they deserve, we 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: mean they're not getting paid at all. 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: There is a stalemate going on at the moment in 29 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: this sport. It's ugly. It's dragging into the spotlight the 30 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: very real issues facing super netball, its finances, its popularity, 31 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: and the volatility that exists between every major stakeholder in 32 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: the sport of netball. 33 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: The longer this goes on, the more damaging it's going 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: to be for the sport. 35 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: Words of Queen Liz words to live by. If Liz 36 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: Ellis is telling you that there is something wrong in 37 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: the game of netball, to which she loves so dear, 38 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: you might want to listen. Could we see your time 39 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: when we do not have a netball competition domestically in Australia. 40 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: What are the players asking for? Is it fair or 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: perhaps more importantly, is it viable? That's coming up after 42 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: the headlines. 43 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: Headline one, Yes it is she's doying again. Twelve one 44 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: hundred's quicker than her previous best from twenty twenty one. 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: Forget that. Twenty twenty three, we have a new world 46 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: record in the fifty and a new world record in 47 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 3: the one hundred in the space of twenty four hours. 48 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: Two good sports let to issue a formal apology to 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: Kelly McEwen because last week we're talking about the most 50 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: prominent Australian athletes in the world. 51 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 4: And we just let one little lady slide who is 52 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 4: a three time world record holder over the backstroke and 53 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 4: keeps breaking record. She holds the fifty, she holds the 54 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 4: one hundred, she holds the two hundred, just quietly and 55 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 4: confidently getting it done. 56 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: So sorry, Oscar, hold Kayley's beer because she is genuinely flying. 57 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: She was out for Kaylee because z point one two 58 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: of a second to shave off any time, let alone 59 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: a world record time is massive in the sport of swimming. 60 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: That is so fast that she has clocked and she's 61 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: beaten herself. She's beaten herself. Yes, yes, it's wild, just 62 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: how good she is at this particular stroke, being backstroke 63 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: her pet event. She now holds seven of the top 64 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: ten times in the history of women competing in backstroke. 65 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: She has seven of the best times and I'm so 66 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: thrilled for her because the backstory with Kaylie is she's 67 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: a superstar. She's a million time gold medalist. How many 68 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: goals did she win in Tokyo, Georgie. She has three 69 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: golden one bronze from Tokyo. It's her only Olympics Tokyo. 70 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: And the thing is with Kaylie is she will steal 71 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: your minds in the pool because she'll just melt them. 72 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: But she'll also steal your hearts because her backstory of 73 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: she lost her dad in twenty twenty to brain cancer, 74 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: and you just think if there wasn't a pandemic, if 75 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: the Olympics had gone ahead when they were meant to 76 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: go ahead. You know, he missed out on seeing her 77 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: achieve at stronomical thing. So she's swimming for her dad 78 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: and she's doing it so well. 79 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: What we do know is she's going to swim and win. Yes, 80 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: she's screening on Paris. That stat about the top seven 81 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: that blows my mind. 82 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: Staying with swimming, dear listeners, loyal listeners, you may remember 83 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: a deep dive that we brought you about the chaos 84 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: that is Swimming Australia and how the governing body of 85 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: Swimming Weld Aquatics how To threatened to expel us from 86 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: its membership group. Well well, well, well hell that has 87 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: now been put to rest. We are not going to 88 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: be expelled because Swimming Australia has finally cemented a new 89 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: constitution trying to give a diversification of the board, which 90 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: is what the governing body wanted. 91 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: So the voting members agreed to adopt a new constitution 92 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: which had been put forward in a very very long 93 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: stance with AQUA, which was formerly Feena, essentially saying you 94 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: need to shape up like this. You are not meeting 95 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 2: international standards. I'm not going to sing. You look at 96 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: me like that much? 97 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: Do you no? Not happening? 98 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 5: Ah. 99 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: So basically a special general meeting was held for state 100 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: based members and they were presented with the idea that 101 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 2: there might be a twenty one person vote. So that's 102 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: going from nine votes to twenty one. They said absolutely not. 103 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 2: So now it's an eleven person board, but that includes 104 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: an athlete director, which that's so important because the athletes 105 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: wanted a bigger voice and a bigger piece at the table, 106 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: so they're now one of the eleven and there's also 107 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: an Australian member for AQUA, so there's someone from the 108 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: global governing body just to keep and check that things 109 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: are happening that align with the biggest governing body. 110 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: So that's great. 111 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: Moving on headline two and it's the AFL and the 112 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: headlines for all the wrong reasons. It's the off season 113 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: and you think sometimes you might see a few players 114 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: getting into trouble, but this Georgie was retrospective. Melbourne player 115 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: Joel Smith has been provisionally suspended by the AFL after 116 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: testing positive to cocaine. But where this gets interesting is 117 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: that he was caught with the Elyssa drug in his 118 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: system during round twenty three of the twenty twenty three seasons, 119 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: so therefore played in a final series for Melbourne where 120 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: they went out in straight sets. It's not a great 121 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: time to be the d's But cocaine is seem to 122 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: be performance in hancing and it was found during game day, 123 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: which I. 124 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: Find fascinating that cocaine, which is a prohibited substance, but 125 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: usually it's a recreational drug, right, But then in this 126 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: particular instance or when it comes to sport, it could 127 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: potentially be performance enhancing because it gives people a lift. 128 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 2: I guess yeah, and they will argue that this was 129 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: taken socially or at the very least recreationally. But then 130 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: there was Campbell Brown was on Sunrise and he's saying, well, 131 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: if you're found to be taken this recreationally, what do 132 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: your teammates think about the fact that you're doing this 133 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: in season? 134 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 3: So this is where it becomes a bit blurred. 135 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: So Smith's positive test was a result of the AFL 136 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: adherence to the Wider Guidelines, which runs separately to the 137 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: league's illicit drug policy. So it's very confusing. There's all 138 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: different ratings that run under the AFL. But if a 139 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: player tests positive to an elicit drug under the AFL 140 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: Anti Doping Code. 141 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: They face a two year ban wow if it's. 142 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: In competition, but only a three month ban if it's 143 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: out of competition. 144 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Right, So the round twenty three date is very important. 145 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: Potentially the questions that come from this Joel Smith incident 146 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: is round twenty three to only finding out now is 147 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: there an issue with the turnaround times of the testing, 148 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: because if he did have the substance in his bloodstream 149 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: in round twenty three. He then went on to play 150 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: in two finals. There should be repercussions that come quicker 151 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: while are we only finding it out now? Are the 152 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: results to lenients that you have an illegal substance in 153 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: your system and you are not going to miss potentially 154 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: around of football Headland three. 155 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 5: That's an episode twenty first one name internationalized sentry good 156 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 5: David Warner, nice placement, wonderful placement. No Mitchell Marsh celebrates 157 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 5: as well, boldly has second and all the eyes on 158 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 5: his birthday. The best gift be gift to himself. 159 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: We're back, baby, We're back. 160 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: We never jumped off the bandwagon for a second. Don't 161 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: let it be said otherwise. If you need a recap 162 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: of what's happening with the Aussies at the ODI World Cup, 163 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: here it is. 164 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: We lost to India by six wickets. Who bad? 165 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: We lost to South Africa by one hundred and thirty 166 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: four runs, tragic, gooboo record making, horrendous. Yes, beat Sri 167 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: Lanka by five wickets and then beat Pakistan by sixty 168 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: two and all of a sudden, we're back in the. 169 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 3: Game, baby, babe, We're back. We're back. 170 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: We're back, but centuries to David Warner and Mitch Marsh 171 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: who has come into the open, who came in to 172 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: open the batting in that game against Pakistan. Incredible performances 173 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: for them when the team is in trouble and have 174 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: been flat and by their own admission from their captain 175 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: pack commons, have not been performing. That's a great stage 176 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: to do it. On The fielding for Australia is still 177 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: ironically a sticking point because none of them are sticking. 178 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 1: I think we're dropping like nearly fifty percent of the 179 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: chances that are out there. We're only catching one and two. 180 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: So it's it's not good that needs to improve if 181 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: we are going to go deep into this competition. 182 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: Let's let's not be negative. 183 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: It was a wonderful opening partnership. It's great to see 184 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: the Aussies back winning. Next up it's the Netherlands and 185 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: then New Zealand. 186 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: A good regroup, solid, solid regroup and happy birthday Mitch 187 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: Marsh and. 188 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 3: Headline for We're Gonna make it quick. 189 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: But I could not include this because we love her. 190 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: Na classic Grace Harris behavior. 191 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 6: I'll still hit it. 192 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 4: I love that. 193 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 7: She's box office. 194 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. 195 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 6: Very shot young and she's extraordinary stuff. 196 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 3: Is there a moment in history where you've ever loved 197 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: to stump? Like Moore? 198 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: She knew her bat was broken and Grace Harris said, 199 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: you know what stuff it direct quote, I'm gonna hit 200 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: it anyway and launched for six. 201 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 3: And this was all on the. 202 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: Way to the WBBL individual record. She made one hundred 203 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: and thirty six runs of fifty nine balls. 204 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: She is, to quote those commentators Box Office. 205 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: It's a really really exciting time to be involved in 206 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: WBBL and the competitions just going from strength to strength. 207 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: And it's really pertinent because cricket has been in the 208 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: headlines this week for something that's also happening off the 209 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: pitch and even out of their own sport. 210 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously the netballers are in a bit of a 211 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 8: tricky situation at the moment, and you know, we're in 212 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 8: a similar situation six or seven years ago, and we 213 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 8: got some support that really helped the players, and that 214 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 8: was I think, you know, from a few outside individuals. 215 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 8: So they asked for a lending hand, and the ACA 216 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 8: stepped up and said, yep, we're you know, we'll create 217 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 8: a bit of a fun to help you out and 218 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 8: hopefully get you through these next couple of months. I 219 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 8: know all the sports are pretty closely linked and all 220 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 8: the players association work really closely, so yeah, there it's 221 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 8: a good opportunity to be able to help. 222 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: Australian captain Pat Commons there talking in India at the 223 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: One Day World Cup where he should maybe be focusing 224 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: on the performance of his team, but instead focusing on 225 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: what is going on with netball in his home country, 226 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: our country of Australia, because why exactly are the Australian 227 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: cricketers paying our netball as wages at the moment, and 228 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: how on earth have we got here? That's next? 229 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 3: Do you jell me? 230 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: I've never played that game, that game where you guess 231 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: someone's netball position based on their personality. 232 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: Oh god, this is going to be damning. 233 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: Any other personality test you get out of here, it 234 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: means nothing, because this is the true true sense of character. 235 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: For example, I would say, Jeremy, that you present as 236 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: a center, bubbly, gorgeous, full of life, part of everything, 237 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: classic center energy. But the real Jeremy, well, well well 238 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: she is all of those things, yes, but feral. Yes, 239 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: I was going to call you possessing total clutch energy 240 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: clutch play energy, which also. 241 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: And I'm also valad. 242 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: She is the type of person that you want in 243 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: your corner when they're going is tough. Therefore I'm getting 244 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: g A or g D. But because you are a 245 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: bit possessive and feral, I'm leaning more towards than defensive option. 246 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: But you have the star power of an attack. Am 247 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: I right? 248 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 3: Well, you've just locked into what's your people. 249 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: I've locked into I want to say g D, but 250 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm sad that it's going. 251 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: To be g is it GD? 252 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: So much so that one of my more shame full 253 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: moments in my life was in year three year three, 254 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: so I don't even know if you're tenure. 255 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 3: I was sent off the netbak call for growling in 256 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 3: a numpire actually growled when er. 257 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: They said, because GD, she needs to go off, and 258 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: Dad was like, you need to calm down. But I 259 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 2: am very Firstly, this game is amazing, Georgie. You are 260 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: you are center energy without the FERRL. I think that 261 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: you're happy to support others. You don't need to be 262 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 2: the center. I think you're happy WA or WD, but WD, 263 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: I think you'd enjoy because expectations. 264 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: Are low and you could Wow, You're actually right. 265 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: Yes, it's right because I actually played every single position 266 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: on a netball court because I'm that type of person. 267 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: But if I was going, yes, but if I was 268 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: going to pick my position, I would pick WD like 269 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: I would go for the WD first. So my final 270 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: game of my netbak career as a social netballer and university, 271 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: I was a shooter, but the physian I would choose 272 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: would be w DA. 273 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 3: Thank you. 274 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're saying that I have more of a netball 275 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: vibe than Queenli. Sure, but I think it's interesting that 276 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: we can play this game with most women in the 277 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: country because do you know what most women in the 278 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: country have done at some stage in their life played netball? 279 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: They have you can you cannot say that for AFL, 280 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: You're sure as hell can't say that for cricket football 281 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: maybe maybe soccer's getting there. But netball is the sport 282 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: where you wanted to make friends in primary school. It 283 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: is what you played, and as we've said already in 284 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: this at the numbers are there to suggest why it 285 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: is our most popular women's sport and why it means 286 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: so much to women and girls across the country. But 287 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: right now the sport in Australia is in crisis, super crisis. 288 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: Super netballers are not getting paid. 289 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: They haven't been paid since September thirty, no money coming in. 290 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: That is their job. 291 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: Many of them have taken second jobs, have even had 292 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: to take a full time position. Their future is in 293 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: limbo because the longer that this disagreement between Netball Australia 294 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: and the players and the body representing the players goes on, 295 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: the longer they don't know where they're going to be 296 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: next year, next month, like what are they going to 297 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: be doing. 298 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: So the crux of this is that Netball Australia are 299 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: offering the players a profit share model. 300 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: Yes for the first time. 301 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: Yes they're offering an increase on what they're earning, a 302 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: slight one, but a slight increase. And they believed that 303 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: these negotiations that have been happening with the Netball Players 304 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: Association were going well with Super Netball. And it's important 305 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: to note that the Diamonds who are currently world champions, 306 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: like Australians, we are the best in the world. 307 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: At this We won the World Cup this year, this 308 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: year YEP. 309 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: And We're currently playing in the Constellation Cup with what 310 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: I'm happy to say is an unassailable lead, so we're 311 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: going to win that as well. Yes, they are unique 312 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: to this, so they get played under their national agreement. 313 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: They still get some money coming in. We're talking about 314 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: the domestic competition that is super Netball. It's been around 315 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: since twenty sixteen, but they're not getting paid. That is 316 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: the competition that is at stake. 317 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: And it's important to note that super Netball might have 318 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: been around since twenty sixteen, but a domestic high performance 319 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: netball competition in this country has been going on for 320 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: the better part of four decades. Yes, so this is 321 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: not new, not in the same way that cricket is new, 322 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: not in the same in the WBBL as a new 323 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: league or the eighth of w being a new league. 324 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: You've been able to watch state netball at a really 325 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: high level for a very long time. 326 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: And the most interesting thing to note about that is that, yes, 327 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: you've been able to watch it for a long time. However, 328 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: the netballers themselves have always been having to fight for 329 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: the spotlight and fighting for your eyes throughout that entire time. 330 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: It is a constant theme. So much so that I 331 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: thought i'd share this little news report from nineteen ninety two. 332 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 7: No steroids, no sex scandals, that pure image. But netball 333 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 7: is not above using its feminine wiles to turn heads 334 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 7: and fill stadiums. In the Mobile Super League Series, the 335 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 7: Adelaide Contact team did away with conventional pleated skirts and 336 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 7: went for body hugging lycra and they were upfront about 337 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 7: their reasons. 338 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 3: It wasn't something we're looking at. 339 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: It's just what people from the sidelines. 340 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: They've said that it looks a little bit more sexy 341 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: than the old pleated skirt. 342 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 9: That's the way netball's going. 343 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 10: Do you think selling itself in that way? 344 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: We've got to set ourselves somehow. It is going all 345 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: the time, and I guess whatever we can do to 346 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: sell a sport has to be done. 347 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: No, that no. 348 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: From the nineties, netballers, some of our most elite athletes 349 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: in this country and arguably one of our best performing 350 00:17:54,600 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: sports in this country, having to sell themselves to get attention. 351 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: Dear listener, Jeremy's hands, her head is in her hands. 352 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: It's giving. 353 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: Didn't Matildas do a nude calendar? 354 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: They did? 355 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: They did to raise money. 356 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 2: They did, and all of this is in recent history, 357 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: and then. 358 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: We were alive. We were alive when that happened. Isn't 359 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: that crazy? But the thing is why I wanted to 360 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: play that is because the issues that we are seeing 361 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: in netbul today can still be traced back to the 362 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: nineties in terms of what is happening to the competition, 363 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 1: where is the money and is it a sustainable sport. 364 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: So let's give you a summary of the current pay dispute. 365 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: These negotiations have been going on since February. We have 366 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 2: reached a stalemate in which Netball Australia has presented a 367 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: pay increase of ten percent to the minimum base salary 368 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: of forty four thousand dollars. 369 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 3: Yes, that's been rejected. 370 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 2: Yes, the players are seeking a revenue share model, not 371 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: a profit share model. The current proposal by Netball Australia 372 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: is profit share, which is revolutionary that's never been offered before. 373 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: And that's to say profit is different from revenue in 374 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: that it's like you take the revenue and then you 375 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: take out the costs from that revenue and then you're 376 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: left with the profit. 377 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: Absolutely, So basically you're given the pie of all the 378 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: money that is earned by Netball and the pieces that 379 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 2: are taken out to run the league and then the 380 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: slight piece that's left that's profit. Yes, whereas the players 381 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 2: want a chunk of the pie, the full pie, before 382 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: all of the costs are taken out. Gotcha and Netball Australia, 383 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 2: via their CEO Kelly Ryan, is saying there is no 384 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: pie left after we pay for all the expenses of 385 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: our sport. 386 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 3: We are in four point two million. 387 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: Dollars of debt, which they're largely attributing to COVID, so 388 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 2: they're already in debt and we're not making money from 389 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: running the league at the moment, which when you think 390 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: about other women's sports, which I mean the cricketers are 391 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: coming out and you've got a Lisa Healey coming out 392 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: and saying I just don't buy that they don't have 393 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: any money. 394 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 10: I was there the other night. I was watching the game. 395 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 10: I was a fan of the game. I'm sitting there, 396 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 10: I'm watching ten thousand people there, the sponsors everywhere, the 397 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 10: product amazing, the line to the merchandise out the door. 398 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 10: Netball's got to have money. Surely there's got to be 399 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 10: money coming in. 400 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 3: It's not. 401 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 10: I can't I refuse to believe it's a poor sport 402 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 10: at the moment, just the way that I watch it 403 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 10: unfold and it's kind of just as a female athlete 404 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 10: watching netball go through. That makes me really sad. 405 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: So that's the Australian cricket captain Alisahally basically saying I'm 406 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: not buying it, that they don't have money, and Netble 407 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 2: Australia are like great. So she's saying I'm not buying 408 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: there's no money in netball. But Netball Australia is saying 409 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: we've done the numbers and we are run so differently 410 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: to sports like WBBL and women's cricket or AFLW and 411 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: women's football that can be bankrolled and supported by the 412 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: men's part of the competition. 413 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: Which is a lucrative competition. That's just fact. 414 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: Both of which are on free to air television yes, 415 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: and have free to air contracts, whereas if you watch netball, 416 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: a lot of people wouldn't even know where to watch 417 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: Super Netball but it's behind a paywall. 418 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: The argument here from Netball Australia is that through broadcast rights, 419 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: so TV rights deals, that is where the majority of 420 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: your money comes from for you to be able to 421 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: pay for everything, including players salaries. The current TV broadcast 422 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: rights deal, which is behind a paywall, is going until 423 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, so they've locked that in. That's three 424 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: years away. We currently have this stalemate of the players 425 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: arguing for more money and their body arguing for more money, 426 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: refusing to accept what Netball Australia thinks is a fair deal, 427 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: and Netball Australia is there being like there's no like 428 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: literally the broadcast it's locked in. It's locked in though, 429 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: like that's that's all that we have. So there is 430 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: a huge breakdown in communection here, and I think a 431 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: breakdown in trust, yes, between the governing body and the players, 432 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: the major stakeholders, Because if you were there, I think 433 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: with anyone, and you had all of the facts and 434 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: the figures that everyone can see, and you'd be like, okay, 435 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: well this much money, it can only go here. You 436 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 1: can have a civil conversation, a civilized conversation about that 437 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: and think rationally and be like, okay, well maybe it's 438 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: maybe it's not now. Maybe right now we can't actually 439 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: get that, but you know, in the next three years 440 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: or whatever, we could. But that's not happening. Those aren't 441 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: the conversations that are happening, and that I think rests 442 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: with Netball Australia. They are to blame for breaking that trust. 443 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: All of the points that Netball Australia are making to 444 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: me makes sense. We are in debt and it would 445 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 2: be financially irresponsible to offer you what you're asking for. 446 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: We are already offering you a raise, we're offering you 447 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: a profit share model. Yes, it's not what you want 448 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: right now. 449 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 3: We need to. 450 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: Get the sport in a more stable position so that 451 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: we can offer you what you want. 452 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: Do you think though, that the breakdown in trust between 453 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: all the parties would have that sounds rational when you 454 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: tell it to me like that, that sound like, okay, 455 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: maybe sounds reasonable. But what has Netball Australia shown to 456 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: the players that they will be able to fulfill those 457 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: promises of there's going to be more for you in 458 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: the future and you're going to still reap the benefits 459 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: of this, but it's not right now. 460 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 2: Well, Netble Australia CEO Kelly Ryan says, it's not actually 461 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: getting to the players. Yes, this is getting to the 462 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 2: governing body, the governing body of digging their heels in 463 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: and saying no, this is what we want. 464 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: And I understand believe me. 465 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: When you're sitting back as Netbull and you have watched 466 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 2: all of these other competitions come in and grab all 467 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: of this ground swell of attention. You're probably watching the 468 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: Matildas and going, yeah, they're in a World Cup. Everyone's 469 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: stoked when they make it out of the group stage. 470 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: We win, Yeah, we win the world and more the 471 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: point there are more girls and women participating in our sport. 472 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 3: How is there this enormous gap? 473 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: And researching this and I said to you, George, like, 474 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: this is really uncomfortable for me because I feel like 475 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: as a sports fan, I should have done more. You 476 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: can only you should be the change that you want 477 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: to see. And we want to see netball doing well 478 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: in Australia. 479 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: What is it about netball though that has not been 480 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: able to transform it's millions? Because that's what we're talking 481 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: about here of junior participants, ourselves included in two fans 482 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: of the game. Fans that want to go to watch 483 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: teams play, Fans that will seek out behind the paywall 484 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: and try and find try and find the game when 485 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: it's playing well. 486 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 3: This is what you're Liz Ellis. 487 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: You're Shanni Layton, who famously went for netball one of 488 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: the great voices. She's such a legend, went on to 489 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 2: play for Collingwood in the AFLW and she said, you know, 490 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 2: we need to have characters and again you need that 491 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: profile in order to sell those personalities. But it is 492 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: personalities that get bums on seats. 493 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: But I refuse to believe that they don't exist. I 494 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: refuse to believe that in the current comp petition there's 495 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: not one player across those eight teams that doesn't have 496 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: that ability to be a SECS star, that doesn't have 497 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: that personality. And for me, maybe it's a failure on 498 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: the club's behalf, but it's definitely a failure from Netball 499 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: Australia and not making this sport which we're really good 500 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: at commercial. 501 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 2: This time last year, a little known lady called Gina 502 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 2: Reinhart offered to fund super Netball to the tune of 503 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars and Georgie the funding was rejected. 504 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: It was rejected in the end, So Gina Reyanhart runs 505 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: Hancock Prospecting, which is a huge mining corporation set up 506 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: by her father, Laying Hancock. Now, when this offer was 507 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: tabled and at first accepted by Netball Australia, it was 508 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: seen as this is wonderful, this is very important for netball, 509 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: who doesn't have any money, who is in millions of 510 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: dollars of debt. This is going to be great, It's 511 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: going to change the sport. 512 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: Gina Rehinhutt also very famously supports swimming. Australia puts a 513 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 2: lot of money into sports like swimming, light netbull. Quietly, 514 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: it needs to be said, like I don't think that 515 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: they promote it that much, how much she supports it. 516 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: And I actually think that this fifteen million dollars would 517 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 2: have been quiet except for the drama that ensued. 518 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: Except one of the players from the Diamonds, Donald Wallom, 519 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: First Nation's Australian, just raised some questions about whether or 520 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: not she herself was feeling comfortable with wearing Hancock prospecting 521 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: on her uniform. And I think they're very fair questions 522 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: because of footage from the eighties which shows Lang Hancock 523 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: talking about sterilizing Indigenous people horrendous, horrific, So of course 524 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: those concerns need to be tabled and need to be 525 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 1: talked through and need to be understood. Instead, that became 526 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: this gigantic media storm because Donal was like, I'm not 527 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: sure if I want to wear that. Her teammates rightfully 528 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: so stood with her. But also it then became it 529 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: put the onus on Donald, which always happens as well. 530 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: We're always looking for our Indigenous Australians to lead us 531 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: out of all the issues that we get ourselves in. Right. 532 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: But because of that, then they did play one game 533 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: with that, refusing to wear the sponsor, their major sponsor 534 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: that they've just tabled this huge netball saving deal yes with. 535 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: And after that though, there was time afforded to have 536 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: a chat about everything and talk through what the fifteen 537 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: million dollars would do for netball, what it would do 538 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: for the Diamonds, what it would do for the team, 539 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: and eventually the team said, okay, we might actually will 540 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: wear it, will wear the uniform. They stood down from 541 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: that initial protest of not wanting to wear that uniform 542 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: too late, though, Hancock prospecting Jina Runhud said, this has 543 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: been very loud. I like quiet donations, This has turned 544 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: into a very very loud conversation. You cannot have the 545 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars. 546 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 2: So after this massive, massive public oh no, who will 547 00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: save netball? 548 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 3: Now, the Victorian government in their. 549 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: Own debt issues said here have fifteen million dollars, which 550 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: is great, which is great fault, but still post that 551 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars from the Victorian government, they're in that 552 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: four point two million dollars of debt. It's really really 553 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 2: important to note Super Netball is the best domestic netball 554 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 2: competition in the world. Yes, we had down we had 555 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: the best players come from England, from Jamaica, come from 556 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: all around the world to play in Australia. 557 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: So it's like we've got the NBA. 558 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: Also the pr disaster that is this whole this whole 559 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: thing amped up to another level. When speaking of cricket, 560 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: the Australian Cricketers Association, they're actually showing something that I've 561 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: never seen before, which is this cross code support for 562 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: their fellow athletes in netball. But they've put their money 563 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: where their mouth is. It's not just support from Alisa Healey, 564 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: it's two hundred thousand dollars a loan of two hundred 565 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: thousand dollars that they have given to netball to try 566 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: and sort this out and support some of the players 567 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: while this is ongoing. There's a part of me that goes, 568 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, you see the headlines Cricket Australia is saving netball, 569 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: They're paying their wages right, and you're like, well, there's 570 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: part of me that goes, that's such wonderful camaraderie. I'm 571 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: glad that they can shake and show they're in a 572 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: position to show such solidarity with netballers who are struggling 573 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: right now. However, there is an alternate reading to that, 574 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: which I think another former Diamond's legend Cathcock summed up perfectly. 575 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 6: I've got to say my gut reaction when I first 576 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 6: heard the news was a bit of embarrassment for our sport. 577 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 6: You know, the most successful sport in this country has 578 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 6: got to this point. But we can only hope this 579 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 6: is the springboard to actually have some real change happen 580 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 6: from here. 581 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: Will we see that change? Jelm me. How does this 582 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: stalemate end? 583 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: The players need to get paid, And this is the 584 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: bit that worries me is that do you eventually just 585 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: sign something that you're unhappy with and this friction continues 586 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,719 Speaker 2: where you feel like you're being hard done by and 587 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: you think about any employer or any relationship by the 588 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 2: governing body that pays you. You want to feel valued 589 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 2: and heard, and you want to feel like you're getting 590 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: renumerated for what you're offering. And at the moment there 591 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: is not a tabled offer that the Players Association is 592 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: saying that the players feel that they are being paid 593 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: to reflect being valued and that what they want is 594 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: being heard, and that even if they do end up 595 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: signing the piece of paper for the next three years 596 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: doesn't paint a happy picture between stakeholders in a sport 597 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: that really needs to unite right now. 598 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I think that netball and Australia is a victim 599 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: of the overall growth of women's sport because you are 600 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: also with those viable pathways. We're struggling to just keep 601 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: fans in the game, for netball, to build fans so 602 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: that they can support teams, let alone building athletes that 603 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: they follow it as a pathway. That struggle is real, 604 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: and I think at the moment the way things stand, 605 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: with this stalemate, it's untenable. I actually cannot see an 606 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: end in sight right now unless an independent body comes 607 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: in yes and does all of the negotiations. But then 608 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: where does that leave you know, and then they sign something, 609 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: where does that leave Netball Australia. Where does that leave 610 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: the players going forward? Because I just think this is 611 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: all proof that they cannot and they don't want to 612 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: enter into a dialogue with one another. 613 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. It's giving. 614 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: There needs to be a third party, but this needs 615 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: to be resolved quickly. Every single person that cares about 616 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 2: sport and women's sport in this country can do something 617 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: as small as engaging, googling, following and building that ground 618 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: swell of people that care. Because we can't just care 619 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: about the diamonds when they're in the Constellation Cup. We 620 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: can't just care when we get to the Comnwealth Games. 621 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: We have to support it growing at the same rate 622 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 2: as these other sports. Otherwise we are going to see 623 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: players leave netball in order to play sports at are 624 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: more lucrative. 625 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, be part of the profile for the next generation 626 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: of players that are going to have to carry this sport, 627 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: but hopefully it's a lighter weight. Tell me it's fun. 628 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: Fact time. Earlier this year, Ossie cricketer Ash Gardner made 629 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: history because she secured. 630 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 9: A very very very Healthy WPL which is the Women's 631 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 9: IPL deal to the tune of five hundred and fifty 632 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 9: eight thousand dollars, which when I heard that at the time, 633 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 9: I remember us talking about this was earlier in the year. 634 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: I thinks February that this was secured. Us talking about 635 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: that at the time, we were like, oh my god, 636 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: a woman is finally getting paid, like a crazy contract 637 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: like that was the first eye ordering some in women's cricket, 638 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: the women's cricket that we had seen and it was 639 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: just gigantic. But how because again we are Australians, we 640 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: don't love a tall poppy. There's no danger of Ashgarner 641 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: being a tall poppy. Because this was the reaction of 642 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: some of her teammates to her getting the five hundred 643 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: and fifty eight thousand dollars deal the. 644 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 5: World Cup when that went on. 645 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 8: So yeah, we were sort of joking with her that 646 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 8: the next few dinners are definitely on her. She went 647 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 8: some good coin and she was cop and comments the 648 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 8: rest of the tournament, your shout for this, your shout 649 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 8: for that. 650 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 10: I think she bought a watch from all reports, so 651 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 10: I won't name the brand of it. Shoes or a 652 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 10: bag or something like that. 653 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 8: Probably got some good new Gucci shoes, some good brand 654 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 8: name clothing that would. 655 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: Be her forte. 656 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 10: Oh yeah. 657 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: I mean there's obviously all these green plans, but there's 658 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: nothing that I've really stipped my mind. 659 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 2: To here that's Ash at the end being like, oh yeah, 660 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: there's grand plans. Fun fact about Ash Gunner love. 661 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: Shoes, love shoes, already have Gucci shoes, Gucci shoes, a 662 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,919 Speaker 1: time piece. I just love that. That's what she's spend 663 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: at her five hundred and fifty. Yes, reward yourself. But 664 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: also that's half a meal for twenty three days. Oh yes, 665 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: because the comp is only twenty three The comp. 666 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: Is so short. 667 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: So on top of that, she's got a contract with 668 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: the Sixes. You've then got your contract at a national level. 669 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: She having a good time, Ash, She's having a great time, 670 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: great time. We'll learned time and it's great that she's getting. 671 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 2: And also that clip is every reason why I love 672 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 2: women's cricket. 673 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 3: Well, that's it, that's. 674 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 2: Her good sports. Let us know if you think that 675 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: we've got our personalities right, yeah, we've got positions that 676 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 2: we are, but would you have picked it? We're so 677 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 2: interested as to what happens now. We believe there has 678 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 2: to be a resolution to this sooner rather than later. 679 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: Yes, and we will bring that to you when it 680 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: does happen, and we'll give you all the highlights of it, 681 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: because it is murky, it's convoluted, it's all the things. 682 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: But there is a general consensus that it just has 683 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: to end quickly. 684 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 2: Be a good sport, adopt a super netball team, and 685 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 2: we'll see you next week.