1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: The Opposition leader, Leah fanokii O. Good morning, Leah, Good 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: morning Katie and to your listeners. 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: Now, Leah, there is always plenty happening when sittings are underway, 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: and yesterday we broke down the budget. So this morning 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: we'll obviously get a bit more detail on the opposition's 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: budget reply, but I'm also keen to find out a 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: bit more about the situation with the Blaine MLA Mark 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: Turner being referred to the Privileges Committee and the government's 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 2: decision to cut the number of Opposition members on the 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: Estimates Committee as well. 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: Leah. 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 2: Firstly, yesterday that report was due to be handed down, 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: as I understand it, in parliament today regarding Blaine MLA 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 2: Mark Turner. 15 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: Why has that been delayed? 16 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 3: Look, government popped that into the Parliament yesterday without you know, 17 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 3: as they do with their numbers. They've got the numbers 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: and they got leave to make that extension. It's a 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: great question for you to ask Natasha Files, the chair 20 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: of the Privilegess Committee, when you have her on a 21 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: bit later on this morning, Kit. But I'll certainly be 22 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: putting to the committee that the committee should be making 23 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: a public statement to explain why that happened yesterday. 24 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: So no real understanding or background at this point in 25 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: time as to why that's happened. 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 3: No, certainly, it just happened very quickly in the Parliament 27 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: and the chair is responsible for public comments around what 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 3: the Privileges Committee does, So I think that's an important 29 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: one for the media to be approaching. Natasha files and 30 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: I'll certainly put to the committee that they make of 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: public statements that people understand what happened there. 32 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be interested to know, that's for sure. I'm 33 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: sure that there'll be plenty of Territorians interested to know 34 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: as well. Now, anyone who listens to this show knows 35 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: that I'm pretty passionate about scrutiny of government, no matter 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: who's in power, and yesterday it seems that the ability 37 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: well to scrutinize took a bit of a blow. A 38 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: decision has been made to cut the number of Opposition 39 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: members on the Estimates Committee. As I understand it, Leah 40 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: is what's the current situation, how many members of Opposition 41 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: and independence are all that committee and what exactly do 42 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: they do well? 43 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: This was astonishing, Katie again, just came out of nowhere. 44 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: The government and all their arrogance and all their superiority 45 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: just decided to change how estimates works once again. And 46 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 3: we've seen this erosion of scrutiny and transparency from the 47 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: Gunner government over and over a long period of time now, 48 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 3: but this really takes the cake. So the Estimates Committee 49 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: is the committee of the Parliament that sits down and 50 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: scrutinizes the budget. We sit down with every single minister 51 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 3: for hours and hours and hours and go through line 52 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: by line every bit of spending that the government makes. 53 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 3: It's a very very important part of our democratic process 54 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: and a very very important part of scrutiny and things 55 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: like you know, last year in estimates we yielded information 56 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 3: like that fifty percent of all youth arrested last year 57 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: were on bail at the time of their arrest. So 58 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: important information, critical information comes out of the estimates process. 59 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: So what's that now? 60 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: You know? 61 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: What's what have you been told as to why that's 62 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: being cut? 63 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: So what's happened is because Mark Turner has been banished 64 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 3: from the Labor Caucus, they no longer have four backbenches now. Traditionally, 65 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: Katie and the Territory, the Estimates Committee has comprised of 66 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: three government members with the chair having the casting vote, 67 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 3: so it's a government controlled committee, make no mistake about that. 68 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 3: And then two opposition members and one independent member. Now 69 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: we've done a bit of a look around the country 70 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: and at this point in time, no other jurisdiction only 71 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: has one opposition member on their estimates as part of 72 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: their estimates process. And that's exactly what this government is proposing. 73 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: So they've cut our numbers in half. They've said no, 74 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: instead of having two opposition members undertaking that scrutiny of 75 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: ministers on the budget, they're going to slash us in 76 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: half to one. And that's all because they are so 77 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: afraid to lose control and lose power because Mark Turner 78 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: is no longer able to sit as part of that estimate. 79 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: Do you really need more than one person on those committees? 80 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: I mean, if like you've said, the government has the 81 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: casting vote anyway, and if you've got the shadow of 82 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: spokesperson I'm assuming, or if you've got you know, if 83 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: you've got one person there on that committee, surely you'd 84 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: be able to get the questioning and scrutinizing required done. 85 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Anyway. 86 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 3: Well, we will still holding the government to account. But 87 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: this is an opposition led process, so the government is 88 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: so fragile, they're so afraid of being exposed that even 89 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: though they were still have three and even though they 90 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 3: were still have the casting vote and all the power 91 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: wielded in that committee, they still want to crush us 92 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: down and push us to the side so that we 93 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: can't ask questions. When you have two people in there, 94 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: you can bounce off one another. You know, one person 95 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: asked the question, the other person might think of a 96 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: follow on from that question, and it's a really good 97 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 3: way to ensure that you're coming out the ministers from 98 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 3: all sides. And that's exactly what estimates are supposed to be. 99 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: It's not meant to be a walk in the park 100 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 3: for the government. This is the one time where they 101 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: have to front up, face up, and really stare us 102 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 3: in the eye and answer some serious questions that we, 103 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 3: of course create and of course come from members of 104 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: the Parloak public and an industry. 105 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: And so to cut. 106 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: Us down like that means they want to give us 107 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: as limited opportunity as possible to scrutinize. They don't want 108 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: us to get on a roll. They don't want us 109 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: to bounce off each other. They don't want us to 110 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 3: have momentum. But the fear they have, the fear they 111 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: have of losing control is just unbelievable. I mean, to 112 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: have three and still have to cut us down to 113 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 3: one is really appalling. And we've just seen this time 114 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 3: and time again for a government that came in on 115 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: a platform of open and transparent government. They couldn't be 116 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: further from the truth. They're arrogances that all time hires 117 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: at the moment and just a Discraene. 118 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: All right, let's move along, Leia, and you have slammed 119 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: the government's budget, particularly the level of debt that the 120 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: Northern Territory is in. You said yesterday the only way 121 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: forward is to grow the population and our own source revenue. 122 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: How would the opposition do that? 123 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been very critical of gouvernment and of course 124 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: we've got a nine point one billion dollar debt. Now 125 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: we borrow three point seven million dollars every day just 126 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 3: to keep the lights on, and we're paying one point 127 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: one five million dollars every single day on the interest 128 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: on that debt, and that means we can't send money 129 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: on other things. Hence the first home owner grant is 130 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: on the chopping block because the government can't afford it anymore. 131 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: We have said very clearly that cutting our way to 132 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 3: save this budget is not the solution. Our economy is 133 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: too fragile. But we do have an incredible opportunity to 134 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: grow our economy and that's where the stuff that you 135 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 3: can do with the stroke of a pen. It doesn't 136 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 3: cost government anything to unleash the private sector and that's 137 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: where all our policy focus is. Katie. The only thing 138 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: we will cut is crime and everything else is about 139 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: growing the economy. 140 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: So also it's about sort of speeding up those policies, 141 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: you know, just to give give us a bit more detail, 142 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 2: is it about speeding those policies up? 143 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: How would you change things that you know that they're doing. 144 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: So we would have the Territory Coordinator in place, which 145 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: we tried to do last sittings, which has a decision 146 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 3: making powers to fast track and facilitate development. We would 147 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: create the Approvals Fast Tracked Task Force, of course, slashing 148 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: all approvals across government by fifty percent as a minimum. 149 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: We believe people need to be able to spend their 150 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: money faster, and that goes from big minds wanting to 151 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: do mining projects to the mum and dad who want 152 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: to set up a cafe. You know, any approvals you 153 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: have to interface as a territorian. We want your experience 154 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: to be with government to be as fast and efficient 155 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 3: as possible. That allows people to spend their money faster. 156 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 3: We also would give stronger powers to the buy local 157 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 3: advocates so that that position has some real teeth and grit. 158 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: We want to bring back the Local Advisory Procurement Panel, 159 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: and all of our policies really are focused around unleashing 160 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: the private sector, getting government working hand in hand with 161 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: the private sector to achieve their aspirations. It's not the 162 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 3: government who's going to bail us out of this and 163 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: create jobs, it is the private sector. And here in 164 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: the Tear we have the sore hill, we have the sun, 165 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: we have the minerals, we have the rare earth, we 166 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: have the gas, we have the water. We have the people, 167 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: the culture and the can do attitude to get this done. 168 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: We does have the wrong people in government who have 169 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: no idea how to deliver le Let's. 170 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: Move along to this bail legislation. 171 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: Obviously, the proposal that you guys have put forward was 172 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: voted down yesterday. We know that the government is going 173 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: to introduce their own measures next week. They have sort 174 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: of issued or sent out I guess you'd say some 175 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: of that proposal to the public to be able to 176 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: look at and comb through. 177 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: Have you had much of an opportunity to look through 178 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: that yet? 179 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going through it as we speak. Of course, 180 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: the first time we got that legislation was yesterday, and 181 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 3: it's quite complicated, I'll put it that way, and that 182 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: sends alarm bells to me. When things are very layered 183 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: and overlapped, it often means that the endpoint isn't a 184 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: good one. But we'll certainly be looking at that. We've 185 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: been very clear that we will support any legislation that 186 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: puts victims not offenders first. So even though this legislation 187 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: might not be as good as we hoped it would be, 188 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: we were still supported even if it just goes a 189 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: little bit further than where we already are. But you know, 190 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: the government has been dragged, kicking and screaming to this debate. 191 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: They gunned down our BAO bill last night. They wouldn't 192 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 3: pass it two months ago when we had the opportunity 193 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: to stop those repeat offenders. So the government's on the 194 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: back foot right from the start on this one. I'm 195 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: glad on behalf of every victim and every territory who's 196 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: concerned about crime that finally they're doing this. But certainly 197 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 3: their approach is a political one. This is a political 198 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: issue for them, not a genuine issue that they're trying 199 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 3: to fix something. It's very sad for the territory. 200 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: Do you know, like they have said that there's going 201 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: to be a change to you know, to some of 202 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: those prescribed defenses, and that's going to be expanded. Do 203 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: you have much detail from what you can see at 204 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: this point in time as to how that's going to 205 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 2: be expanded. 206 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 207 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: So what they've done is we had to when they 208 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 3: create when they weakened laws two years ago, they created 209 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: two types of offending a non prescribed and are prescribed now. 210 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 3: That all sounds reboring, but it's basically two columns. One 211 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: that's they perceived as less bad and one that they 212 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 3: perceived as bad. Now. In the less bad column was 213 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 3: horrific offenses like recklessly endangering serious harm, driving a motor 214 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: vehicle causing death, hit and run, dangerous driving, like all 215 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: these types of things which I think anybody on the 216 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: street would have said, hmm, I think that's actually a 217 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 3: really serious offense and should be in the prescribed list. 218 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 3: So we've been banging on about this for more than 219 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 3: two years, and finally they are moving some of those 220 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 3: very serious offenses from the not so serious list into 221 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 3: the serious list. So thank goodness for that, is all 222 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: I can say. But again, the devil will be in 223 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: the detail about how that's going to be implemented, because 224 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: of course what attached to those two different columns was 225 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: presumptions of bail or not, and so I need to 226 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: look at the detail on that because how the law 227 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: was is that if you did one of those non 228 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: serious offenses, you had a presumption in favor of baal, 229 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: and if you did a serious offense, you had a 230 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: neutral presumption. So I need to look at whether or 231 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: not that's changed. If it hasn't, then the government still 232 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: doesn't understand what's really important when it comes to offending. 233 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to be very interested to see where 234 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: this all lands, as you know, as the government really well, 235 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: i'd have to know now, and we've been banging on 236 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: about it on this show for a long time. This 237 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: issue of crime, particularly youth crime is one which has 238 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: plagued a lot of Territorians for an awfully long time. Leah, 239 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: it is going to be a juggle though for the government. 240 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: You know, you've got indigenous groups and youth advocacy groups 241 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: saying that this is a step backwards. What would you 242 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: say to those groups. 243 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look, we haven't really received, you know, a 244 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: lot of feedback on our bill. We've certainly received opposition 245 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 3: to what the government is trying to propose. We really 246 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: need to be putting the balance back in and this 247 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: government just went way too far in protecting offenders and 248 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: that is just not acceptable. The government's first responsibility is 249 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: to keep people safe and yes, well no one wants 250 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 3: to see young people in jail. We also have a 251 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: responsibility to stop people being repeatedly victimized. And what we 252 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: want to target is those repeat offenders. And the difference 253 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: between us and Labor is our legislation targeted adults and use. 254 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: There's only targets use. But in any event, if we 255 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 3: know that fifty percent of all youth arrested last year 256 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 3: were on bail when they were arrested, that is a 257 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: big problem. If we know that seventy five percent of 258 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: all people arrested by Strikeforce Viper were repeat offenders. Then 259 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: it's very very clear where a problem is that needs 260 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: to be fixed, and the law can fix that if 261 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: the government has the will to do it, and that 262 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 3: we won't hold back, we won't apologize for wanting to 263 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: put victims not offenders first. 264 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: Leah Finocchiaro, we are going to have to leave it there, 265 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: Opposition leader. 266 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: Good to speak with you this morning. 267 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time, and we'll see you 268 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: tomorrow for the week that was, I'll be there. 269 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: Thank you.