1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: When you're at work, you might be trying to streamline things, simplify, 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: be more productive. And maybe you've picked up a few 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: different things from listening to this podcast, but have you 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: ever turned the same attention towards your home life tried 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: to find efficiencies in how you manage your life admin 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: and take some pressure off the mental load of running 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: a home or being a parent. Two women who have 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: become the best in the business at hacking life admin, 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: Ama Northrop and Dina Roe Roberts. They both have experience 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: working for big corporates in senior strategy, digital and customer 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: experience roles, and these two friends sat down one day 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: reflecting on their successful careers, but realized their home lives 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: were a complete disaster. So they both channeled their efforts 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: and organizational talents into hacking home admin and created a 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: podcast called life Admin Life Hacks, And from that, they've 16 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: just released a book that sums up their best ideas 17 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: called life Admin Hacks. So if you feel like you're 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: perhaps starting to get your work life under control or 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: at least improve things a bit, Maya and Dinah will 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: help you whip your non work life into shape just 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: as well. My name is doctor Ramantha Imbut I'm an 22 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: organizational psychologist and the founder of behavioral science consultancy Inventium, 23 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: and this is how I work a show about how 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: to help you do your best work. So when I 25 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: sat down for my chat with Maya and Dinah, the 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: first thing I wanted to know is how it does 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: having an organized home actually help us work better. 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: There's a direct link between the mental load and your 29 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: life ADMIN at home and your ability to show up 30 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: at work. We sent question daires out to three hundred 31 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: Australians and forty seven percent of people would consider taking 32 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: on more responsibility at work if their life ADMIN was 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: better under control, and one in three felt that life 34 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: adamin was taking up such an extent of their headspace 35 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: and time that it actually impacted their career goals. So 36 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: we know that it's impacting employee absenteeism as well as 37 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: their productivity. And interestingly, another stat that came out of 38 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: that study was that one in three had taken sickle 39 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: or annual leave to do with like to deal with 40 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: life admin, or they reduced their working hours at some 41 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: stage because of the stent of their life ADMIN. So 42 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 2: there is a massive correlation in terms of what's going 43 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: on in our personal life and how sort of under 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: control and calm we're feeling about that, and how we're 45 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: able to bring our best selves to work. 46 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: That totally makes sense, and I don't think I would 47 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: have made that connection because I think until meeting you 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: guys and reading your book, I hadn't really given that 49 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: much thought to life admin and how it impacts things. Dinah, 50 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm curious, what are some of the things that you 51 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: used to think about and organize at work that you 52 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: didn't apply to your home life, but maybe now you do. 53 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 54 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 3: So I think that I was always very organized at work, 55 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: and I had I guess the tools that were available 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: at work, and I'd never deliberately apply them to my 57 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: home life. So cloud storage has been a big one 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: for me in terms of having ready access to documents 59 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 3: on the go and also just really optimizing my task 60 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: list on my to do list and really thinking about 61 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: that in a strategic way, both in terms of making 62 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 3: sure I know what I have to do, but also 63 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: so that my husband and children can share the load too, 64 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: So using those apps in a smarter way so that 65 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: we can know who's doing what and assigned responsibility something 66 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: which you know, almost everyone does at work has a 67 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: task management system, but so many people don't have it 68 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: optimized at home. 69 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: And there's two other aspects of that, in terms of 70 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: the way you might manage to calendar at work, where 71 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: you'll block out time to ensure that you get high 72 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: priority activities done, and you'll defend your time like you 73 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: might make time for deep work so that you can 74 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: really concentrate oil time box activities and you know, create 75 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: those slots. And people don't tend to do that in 76 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: their personal life, even though they might have these activities 77 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: that are really important to them. They might be trying 78 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: to instill new habits or just make sure things like 79 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: exercise gets done or they have time to you know, 80 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 2: what we call an hour of power to get them 81 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: to their life admin And unless those things are scheduled 82 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: in your calendar, they often go by the wayside. So 83 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 2: we I mean, we both used the task like trello 84 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: and assigna in our workplace, and we thought, you know, 85 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 2: adopting some of those tools, especially when we were writing 86 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: the book. We adopted those tools. But that kind of 87 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 2: structure and formality about planning your time belongs in your 88 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: personal life as well. And some people push back about 89 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: that because they feel like their personal life should be, 90 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 2: you know, lass a fair and free floating when it 91 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: comes to actually dropping that mental load and feeling like 92 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: you're on top of things. Embrace those tools because they 93 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: do the job. 94 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: So let's talk about documents that we need in our 95 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: personal life. And for me, I like, despite the fact 96 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: that I host this podcast, I feel like I will 97 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: frequently turn up to places where they need my driver's 98 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: license or Medicare CAD or something like that, and I'll 99 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: be and I might have taken a photo of it 100 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: for some reason months ago, and I'll be like, hang on, 101 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: let me just try to find that, and I obviously can't. 102 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 1: So let's start there. How do you guys manage those 103 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: documents that are needed that most of us have no 104 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: idea how to access them unless we're actually at home 105 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: and have our personal wallet. 106 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: So you've got two options, really, Matthew. You've got your 107 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: cloud storage, as I talked about before, So in our 108 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: family we use Google Drive, but other people might use 109 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: one Drive or even drop Box, so that you've got 110 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 3: ready access to documents on the go. But if you 111 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: need a bit more secure storage, which you might want 112 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: to use for things like driver's license, passports, birth certificates, 113 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 3: Medicare cards. A really great place to store those is 114 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 3: in your password manager. They usually have multi factor authentication. 115 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 3: I use last Pass, and I've got all of my 116 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: family's important documents saved in there. I can share those 117 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: with my husband so he can also have access to 118 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 3: those documents. And it just means that I can fill 119 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: out forms on the go easily. Whether I'm at work 120 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: or I'm out and about, I can easily get to 121 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: that information. So tasks become what we call two minutes 122 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 3: too easy rather than something that you have to add 123 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: to a to do list, because you can do it 124 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: straight away because you've got ready access to the information. 125 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: Okay, So I use last Pass, which I love. So 126 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: Dinah for you, what are the documents or the things 127 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: that you have saved in your last pass in terms 128 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: of what I should now go away and take photos 129 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: of as soon as I finished recording. 130 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: So I've got all of the passports for my family. 131 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: I've got the Medicare card, driver's license for both my 132 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: husband and I. I've also got birth certificates. One of 133 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: my children was born overseas, so I've also got his 134 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: citizenship certificate. 135 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: And I also. 136 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 3: Actually have my university degree and my results and I 137 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: haven't actually had a need to use this until just 138 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: recently when University of Melbourne asked me if I remembered 139 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: what my student number was, and that was some time ago, 140 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 3: and it was ready there in my last past because 141 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: I'd save my academic transcripts in there. So I guess 142 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: any of those important documents that you might otherwise keep, 143 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: you know, important documents folder, I've got all of those 144 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: scanned and saved in last pass. 145 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, and Dinah, I believe you've got a shared 146 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: family email account as well. Can you talk me through 147 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: that and how it works. 148 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we recommend in the book that you have 149 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: a dedicated life email accountant. It really means that you 150 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: can keep all of your life admin separate to all 151 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: of your personal or your work email correspondents. So for 152 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: my husband and I, we share that email address and 153 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: it's got all of our bills go there, all of 154 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: our school correspondents, you know, anything to do with our household, 155 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: all of our banking and our financial affairs, anything that's shared. 156 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: And we really have a rule in that inbox if 157 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: you open it, you deal with it, So that's if 158 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 3: you've opened it, you know, either action it straight away 159 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: or add it to our to do list or schedule 160 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 3: a time in our calendar if it's something that's going 161 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: to take some time. So I mean often it is 162 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: adding an appointment to a calendar or an event to 163 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 3: a calendar. So really it's really shifted everything into neutral 164 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 3: territory for us because everything used to come to my 165 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: personal email address and I had to deal with it, 166 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: and now my husband definitely does his fair share. So 167 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 3: it's been a game changer for our family. 168 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: I love that I definitely do all the life admin 169 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: in my life now. In terms of you mentioned your calendar, 170 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: and I know you're both very organized with how you 171 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: plan your non work lives. I've heard that you will 172 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: schedule all the like appointments if you like, for the 173 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: year at the beginning of the year. Is there something. 174 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: You both do essentially, there's there's there's there's tasks that 175 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: you know are going to pop up during the year, 176 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: and it's lovely to be able to do it proactively 177 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: rather than react to it. So examples might be getting 178 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: the car serviced. You know when that's going to happen 179 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: instead of waiting until things start popping and flashing on 180 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: your dashboard and then having to call and they're not 181 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: being a courtesy car available book at advance, you know 182 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: you can jump online for most of these places and 183 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: choose your dates and do it when you know it's 184 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: going to be convenient. So other things like you know, 185 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: getting haircuts, any things to do with beauty apointments or 186 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: regular medical appointments, anything you can front load into your 187 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: calendar at the start of the year. It just makes 188 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: it easier in terms of being more flexible, usually have 189 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: more choice because you're planning further in advance rather than 190 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: being reactive. And so there's those activities, there's those kinds 191 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: of events, but there's also just the day to day 192 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: stuff that needs to happen to make the week tick 193 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: over and set that rhythm for the week. And that 194 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: might be things like meal planning or when you're going 195 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: to the supermarket, or for some families it's really important 196 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: to know you know which days are laundry days so 197 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: people aren't running out of clothes. So depending on what 198 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: works for you in your house and where things tend 199 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: to fall over, where you tend to sort of run 200 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: out of time or forget about things. Those things are 201 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: also worth popping in that calendar, and that really does 202 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: reflect your priorities and where you need to be, what 203 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: you need to do, what you need to be paying 204 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: attention to. 205 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: Now I know that you guys rely heavily on checklists 206 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: and reference lists, Dina, Can you tell me, I guess, like, 207 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: what are some of the checklists that you have in 208 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: your life. 209 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the checklist that I probably use the most 210 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: often relate to holidays. So we have a holiday what 211 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: we call a lift off list, So that's all the 212 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: things that need to happen around the home before we 213 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: leave the house, like organizing care for our dog, you know, 214 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: making sure that we've got someone to collect the mail 215 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: or stop the mail, and also all those other little 216 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: things around the house, like you know, making sure that 217 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 3: the fridge is emptied and the bins are put out 218 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: and all those mundane things which are horrible if you 219 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: forget to do them before you head off on holiday. 220 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 3: So making sure that that's nailed. And we've got a 221 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: second list around, a packing checklist which has got those 222 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: things on it. That's just you know, a refresher of 223 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 3: the things that are really important for us to take, 224 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: you know, so that making sure that we've got medications 225 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: and first aid, you know, and the other things that 226 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 3: are important to our family, a special pillow, and of 227 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 3: course charges the range of charges you need for all 228 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 3: those electronic devices now, so just having those in a 229 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 3: checklist means it's really not you don't have that mental 230 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 3: load or you know, that sort of chatter in your 231 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 3: mind of the things you must remember. You know, it's 232 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: all saved there in the checklist. Just copy it the 233 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: next time you're going on holiday and just slowly mark 234 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: them off. It also means you can assign tasks to 235 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 3: different people. So my husband and I will often sit 236 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: down before we go on holiday, decide who's going to 237 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: do what, assign the tasks in the list, and then 238 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 3: we you know, we can easily make sure that we 239 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 3: get everything done and there's no stress, no sort of 240 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 3: tension in the household that I feel like I'm having 241 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 3: to do everything. 242 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: When we talk to people about checklists and to do 243 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: lists in referencelance, mostly what we discover is that people 244 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: have a mish mash going on. They'll have one mega 245 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 2: list and it's got to do list tasks in there, 246 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: which are really you know, time bound and have a 247 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: verb associated with them, and they're intermingled with things that 248 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: should be on a checklist, which is really how you 249 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: remember to do those recurring activities you know efficiently and 250 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: compres prehensively, and then reference lists. You know, there are 251 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: lists of things you want to remember, suggestions, recommendations. It 252 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: might be podcasts you want to listen to, books you 253 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: want to read, and often people have that all in 254 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 2: one jumbled list which they call their to do list. 255 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 4: So we usually work. 256 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: With people to split those out to make sure they 257 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: do have their to dos and checklists and reference lists 258 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: in separate areas and often using separate apps. So I 259 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: use notes for my checklists and my reference lists, and 260 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: then I use the reminders app on my phone for 261 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: my actual to do lists, and we also make a 262 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 2: recommendation about how you organize that to do list in 263 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: terms of splitting out chunky life admin tasks that need 264 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: an hour of power where you can sit down and 265 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: concentrate and do research or analyze data to make a 266 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: decision on something. And then you have your ten minute 267 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: time killer tasks. And these are those medium sized tasks 268 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: which are really the bulk of life admin might be 269 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: filling out forms, might be quickly buying something, doing something 270 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: to do with nurturing your social life. Have separate lists 271 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 2: for those, and it makes it really easy when you're 272 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: talking to Siri and you're reminding yourself that you need 273 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: to do something when you're in the car to you know, 274 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: added it to a specific list, so it's going to 275 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: turn up in the right spot. Now. 276 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: Maya you inspired me to use Siri? Do you Siri? 277 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: Full stop? I was about to say to you, Siri smarter. 278 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't easningk Siri at all. Can you tell me 279 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: the different ways that you use Siri the Apple Assistant? 280 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 4: Yeah? 281 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: So probably mostly to add things to my to do lists. 282 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: Either I'm in the car and that's where things occur 283 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: to me. I might hear something on the podcast or 284 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: on the radio, or something will just pop in my 285 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: mind and I'll pause whatever I'm listening to and say hey, Siri, 286 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: and you know, add a reminder. She's probably he's probably 287 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: gonna wake up now. Yeah, My Siri is a man. 288 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: I love the fact that you can customize the voices. 289 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: So that's probably the main way AI Siri In terms 290 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: of life Adamin. I think the Reminders app on the 291 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: iPhone has some very powerful functionality in terms of the 292 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: Toadoo's where you can be reminded on location. So if 293 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: you're arriving somewhere or you're leaving from somewhere, it can 294 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: trigger the reminder. It can trigger a reminder if you're 295 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: talking to someone, particularly if you're messaging with someone. So 296 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: if you link that with a contact, it will remind you, Ah, 297 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: I don't forget you're going to talk to so and 298 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: so about X y Z. There's some powerful things in 299 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: there around tagging and flagging. 300 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: So Mia, how do you link reminders to contact specifically? 301 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: So if you go into the reminders app and you 302 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: click into the sort of information when there's a little 303 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: icon there that says when messaging, and then you can 304 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: choose a person, so you can choose you know, if 305 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: you're chatting with someone, the reminder will pop up, which 306 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: is great when I'm talking to my mum because there's 307 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: always something. 308 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 4: I'm supposed to ask her and I always forget. So yeah, 309 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 4: that's pretty could use things like that. 310 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: Wow, okay, And you can also schedule it when you're 311 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: arriving somewhere because I was on a walk with a 312 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: girlfriend yesterday and I did the Siri trick where we 313 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: were walking, and I said, remind me to send my 314 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: friend Steph this particular information. And I just I said 315 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: a time when I knew I'd be home, But I 316 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: could have said when I arrive home. 317 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: Is that how you Yeah, so you can set a 318 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: location so you can be arriving and you know it 319 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: has your home or your work as placeholders in there 320 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: or getting in the car or getting out of the car. 321 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: So it knows when you're getting in the car, so 322 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: you can have it when you're arriving, or you can 323 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: have it when you're leaving. 324 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: Hang on, it knows when I'm getting in my car. 325 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the getting in and getting out of the 326 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: car option, And I guess it's it's. 327 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 4: I don't know how it works. 328 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: Is it to do with Apple car plays or it 329 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: knows when you've got to the car play and then 330 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: you turn car play off. 331 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 4: I'm persiving that's how it works. 332 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: Otherwise, Yeah, yeah, oh this is great. This is improving 333 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: my serious skills. I'm loving it. 334 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 3: But I think, Amantha, what it really brings home for 335 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: me is that we have these really powerful apps on 336 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: our phones on these you know, reasonably expensive devices, you 337 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: know when you consider people's household budgets, But so few 338 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: people take the time to spend five ten minutes reading 339 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 3: up on the capability of these apps, And you can 340 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 3: invest five or ten minutes and it can save you 341 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 3: hundreds of hours down the track by just you know, 342 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 3: investing a little bit of time in getting your ability 343 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: that bit higher in those apps that you're going to 344 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 3: use every day. 345 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: So, Dinah, what are some other examples for you where 346 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: you've invested time in learning more about the features or 347 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: shortcuts of certain apps that we all interact with every day, 348 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: but you're getting so much more out of them now. 349 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I actually invested quite a bit of time 350 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 3: in deciding what apps to use as well. So I 351 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 3: think I've spent quite a lot of time optimizing which 352 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 3: calendar app to use and landed on using the Outlook 353 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 3: Calendar app. So that app really is a really good 354 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: one for bringing in if you've got an Outlook calendar 355 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 3: at work, but then also have a Google Calendar for 356 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 3: your home calendar, and I found that's the best app 357 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: to be able to seamlessly show the different calendars both 358 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: actually on my phone and also on my PC, so 359 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 3: making sure that you're spending a bit of time in 360 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 3: understanding how you can get the different views that best 361 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: suit you in terms of which way. So that's definitely 362 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 3: been one of the apps. We've already talked quite a 363 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 3: bit about the reminders app, which is another one that 364 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 3: I think, you know, really thinking about and learning how 365 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 3: best to use your to do list app is really 366 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: really important. And another one that I actually spent a 367 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 3: bit of time in trying to figure out, you know, 368 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: the easiest way of saving files to was Google Drive 369 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 3: because that's what we use as our cloud storage. And 370 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 3: you know, just a five or ten minute research on 371 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 3: YouTube so that I could best understand how easily to 372 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: save documents into specific folders, how to search for documents, etc. 373 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: It really just saves me time every day as well 374 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: as you know, it just makes it that much easier, 375 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 3: so it becomes effortless, you know, just that little bit 376 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 3: of practice or rehearsing really makes the habit, you know stick. 377 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: So with Google Drive, because I use Google Drive for 378 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: work and it's an utter mess, not because of anything 379 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: to do with my team, but just because of me. 380 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: So what is something simple that I can do with 381 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: Google Drive. I don't know how to do anything with 382 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: Google Drive other than open documents and search for documents. 383 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: That's about it. 384 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: I think you're going to start with a good folder structure, 385 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 2: and if you're if you have something that works for 386 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: you in real life, if you've had a cabinet, or 387 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 2: if you've got files on your on your desk that 388 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 2: work for you in terms of cat we can file things, 389 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 2: then replicate that in Google Drive. In the book Life 390 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: Admin Hacks, we suggest a folder structure because most people 391 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: have very similar files that need to document. So if 392 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 2: documents they need to file, they'll have things around ensurance, 393 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 2: they might have medical records for each of their family members, 394 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: academic or employment records, you know, things around ID and 395 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 2: those kinds of documents for contracts, that kind of thing. 396 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 2: So we suggest a folder structure, and if you need 397 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 2: to share that folder structure with someone having that conversation 398 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: around what goes where, then when you're getting email documents, 399 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: you literally just click on the little icon that's coming through. 400 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: Say if you're using Gmail and you've got Google Drive 401 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: set up, you're literally just clicking on the little icon 402 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: next to that attachment and it's adding it straight to 403 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: your Google Drive and you get to choose which folder 404 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: you want to place it in, so you know, the 405 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 2: email comes in, you see the document, you press click, 406 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 2: you choose the folder, delete the email, move on with 407 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: the rest of your life. 408 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: Diana, how do you manage the family budgets? 409 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: So, in terms of budgeting, you know, I guess it's 410 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 3: always something that I've felt quite confident about because you know, 411 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 3: I've got an accounting background, accounting and finance, and so 412 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: it hasn't been an area of stress for me. But 413 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 3: in terms of finding some apps that can easily tell 414 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 3: you what you're spending to kind of monitor your budget, 415 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 3: that has been a really big help for me. So 416 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: I've used both money Brilliant and Pocketbook, and those really 417 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 3: can suck the information straight from your bank accounts so 418 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: that you can easily assign them to categories and it 419 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: can really be a game changer in terms of easily 420 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: being able to monitor what you're spending or what and 421 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 3: if you want to, you can even use those apps 422 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: to set yourself up, you know, your own budgets for 423 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 3: specific time periods so that it will kind of ping 424 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: you and let you know how much you've got left 425 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 3: to spend, and so it really helps you keep on 426 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 3: top of it. 427 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: We will be back with Maya and Diana soon and 428 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: you've hopefully gained a few practical tips from this episode 429 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: so far. 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Maya? 457 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 4: And I'm laughing because I've just started a new role 458 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 4: at a startup and I use the order messages on 459 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 4: Slack and so many people like, oh, I didn't know 460 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 4: you could do that on Slack. I'm like, yeah, I'm 461 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 4: audio all the way. You can tell it's auditories my 462 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 4: favorite learning style, communication style. 463 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: So yes, on WhatsApp, on Slack, on the messages app 464 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: that you can leave audio messages, So instead of calling 465 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: someone and leaving a voicemail, you're literally just recording your 466 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 2: message and sending it off within the message. You can 467 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 2: do it with video as well. You can do video 468 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: of yourself, but obviously audio is a little bit flexible 469 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 2: in terms of what you might be looking like at 470 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: the time. But it's just a really personal way of communicating. 471 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: If I sometimes that one minute long sometimes I lived 472 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: twenty minute long messages, it's just a way of communicating 473 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: a secretously without having to type out an essay. I 474 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: much prefer just speaking and talking through my thoughts or ideas, 475 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 2: and I think just more sort of powerful way of communicating. 476 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 3: It's definitely a great way of keeping in touch with 477 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 3: people who live overseas and might be in a tricky 478 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: time zone to have a phone conversation with. So we 479 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 3: used to live in the Middle East, and so sometimes 480 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 3: it's tricky for me to speak to those friends. And 481 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 3: nurturing your social life does become a life admin task 482 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: because you have to find time to do it and 483 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: you need to keep in contact with people if you 484 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 3: want to nurture those friendships. So using voice messages on 485 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: WhatsApp has been a really big game changer for me 486 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 3: in terms of really connecting more closely with people. It's 487 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: such a nice thing to hear their voice and you 488 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: can leave a much nicer message than you know you 489 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 3: would if you were typing a message or you know, 490 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 3: just sending a photo. 491 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just addicted to audio messages. So I'm thinking 492 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: of the applications I have for the One is I 493 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: find it very useful for briefing people. It's so much 494 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: it's so much easier, and there's more nuances that you 495 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: can include for briefing. Like, for example, Liam, who is 496 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: the episode producer for all my interview episodes on how 497 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: I work, if he's about to start researching a guest, 498 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: I will do an audio message that is basically I 499 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: don't want to call it a brain dump because thought 500 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: goes into the audio message, so I'm not wasting his time. 501 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 1: But it's more like, here are all the things that 502 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: I would really like to uncover when you do know 503 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: the pre interview with the guest. For example, I also 504 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: use it for giving my team feedback. So when someone 505 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: on my team has asked for feedback on an idea 506 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: or a document or something like that, sometimes I find 507 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 1: that it's going to be way more effective if I 508 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: give that via an audio message. So there's certainly a 509 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: couple of ways, But what like what are some I 510 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: guess unusual applications that either of you have for audio 511 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: messages other than they checking in and it's just friendly 512 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: to hear your voice kind of thing. 513 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we actually also use LOOM with our virtual 514 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 2: assistant and I use it. It was work as well, 515 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 2: so you can record audio and camera and a screen 516 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: when you need to explain something. So it's a great 517 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: tool for again providing that a little bit more of context. 518 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: They can hear the tone in terms of giving feedback 519 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: or give the instructions for things and not just relying 520 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 2: on a bit of an essay and some screen grabs. 521 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: It's way more immediate. It really does suit people's communications 522 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: skyles a lot better. 523 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: Now, organizing one social life is something I am interested 524 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: in how you do that because for me, I'm trying 525 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: this thing where I'm setting quarterly themes or resolutions, let's 526 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: call them themes. And my theme for summer was prioritizing 527 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: connection over efficiency, so for example, like doing an in 528 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: person meeting rather than zoom. Although that's all gone to shit, 529 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: let's pacee it with case numbers. But anyway, I'll revisit that, 530 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: I think in another season. But I also do prioritize 531 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: organizing my social life, because when I was reflecting on 532 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, many of the highlights from my year 533 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 1: were from connecting with friends and people whose company I enjoy. 534 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: And you guys, I think, are quite systematic about your 535 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: social life and organizing that. So I'd love to hear 536 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: Dieter or Maya, which one of you wants to jump 537 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: in here to talk me through how you do this. 538 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: So maybe I'll kick off and then Maya can follow up. 539 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 3: So I actually do when we talked before about checklist, 540 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 3: but that is probably another checklist or I have on 541 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: my phone, or maybe it's a reference list. I don't 542 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: know if that where it fits in those, but it's 543 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 3: of my closest friends that I want to connect with regularly, 544 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 3: and it's interesting. I do think it's also a list 545 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: that you know, you can kind of just check in 546 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 3: every now and again to make sure that the right 547 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 3: people are on that list. And then that's the list 548 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 3: that I refer to as I'm sort of planning out 549 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: the next couple of months. So once I can see 550 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: that my weekends are looking reasonably free, I'll go through 551 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 3: that list and have a think about who I haven't 552 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: seen who I want to connect with, what I might 553 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: want to do with them, and then batch out planning 554 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: things we love entertaining at our house, so, you know, 555 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 3: really thinking about what weekends are going to suit us 556 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 3: in terms of entertaining, and what are the interesting combinations 557 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 3: of people we might invite over And so I guess 558 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 3: having quite a deliberate approach and also batching it out 559 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 3: so then I know what it looks like for the 560 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 3: next couple of months, and then I can, you know, 561 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 3: then batch again a few months later. So I definitely 562 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: feel like I'm probably the driver of my social life 563 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 3: and so but that really puts me in control of 564 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 3: doing the things I want to do with the people 565 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 3: I want to rather than I guess being at the 566 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 3: whim of other people inviting me to things. 567 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: It's a great question the matter, because during the last 568 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: two years, when we've at times not being able to 569 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: see people, and if that our social lives really restricted, 570 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: it's given people, you know, pause to think about, Okay, 571 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: how do I want to show up in the world, 572 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: Who do I want to see, what are the activities 573 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: I want to do? And some people might have found 574 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: themselves previously sort of having quite a reactive social life, 575 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: just sort of going with the flow. Others probasibly wanted 576 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: more spontaneity, or you know, you want to have time 577 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: to socialize as an individual or a couple, or as 578 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: a as a as a family, and how do you 579 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: make time for all of that? So we talk about 580 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: in the book that idea of you know, sometimes it's 581 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: an event priority. There are activities that you want to 582 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: do and you think who can come along with me. 583 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's people priority. You're thinking about people you really 584 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: want to see and what you can do with them, 585 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: and that might suggest different, you know, different ways of socializing, 586 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: whether it's as a family or by yourself or in 587 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: a group or you know, individually. That's why I thinking 588 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: about and doing some planning, and then yeah, I batch 589 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: it out. I sort of have the school holidays as 590 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: a time when I think, all right, what do I 591 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: want the next three months to look like? Cam, I 592 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: start sending out emails and messaging people about suggestions and 593 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: being really the other thing about nurturing a social life is, 594 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: rather than just sending the message that says we should 595 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: catch up, let's do something like actually think about it. 596 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: Suggest the activity, suggest the date, suggest the time, make 597 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 2: it concrete. People will be absolutely thrilled with you, and 598 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: it's actually more likely to happen. 599 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: Now, there's a whole section in your book on getting 600 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: the best deal, like whether that be for insurance, credit cards, 601 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: all sorts of things, and I think when I was 602 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: reading that section, I'm like, oh my gosh, there's so 603 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: much here. Where do I start? So what I would 604 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: love to know is for people that are thinking about 605 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: who their suppliers are for the different things that you 606 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: need to run a life and a house, where should 607 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: we start in terms of where the biggest savings generally are. 608 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: We have actually ordered the chapters in the book based 609 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 3: on I guess where the biggest bucks are. So homelans 610 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 3: is definitely, you know, the biggest ticket item for most 611 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: households in Australia, so that's where we start. And the 612 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: next two areas where really you can save you know, 613 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 3: more into the hundreds and thousands, a private health insurance 614 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 3: and house and contents insurance. So you know, if you 615 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 3: if you're not having to be massively budget conscious, those 616 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 3: are probably the three areas that are still worth digging 617 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 3: into on a regular basis, because you know that's where 618 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 3: people are getting pinged with that massive loyalty tax. 619 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: Now we've talked a lot about specific websites and apps 620 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: across all domains. I would love to know just in general, 621 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: like at the moment, what what are either some websites 622 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: or apps or tech that you guys just are personally 623 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: excited about that are helping you use your time better. 624 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 3: Gosh, I feel like I have been off tech for 625 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: the last month, and so I've had like this digital detox. 626 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 3: Sorry and Amantha, have you got any suggestions? Me Let 627 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 3: me have a like that's going to require me to 628 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: have a think for a minute. 629 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: I think for us those game changing tools, those foundational 630 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: tools that was the password manager, the list apps, the 631 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 2: budgeting apps, getting Google Drive and the Google Calendar set up, 632 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: they do ninety five percent of the heavy lifting for 633 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 2: the life admin once they're set up and humming. They 634 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 2: reduce the amount of life admin you have to do, 635 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 2: and they make all other life admin easier. So I 636 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 2: don't use a whole raft of other tools in terms 637 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 2: of supporting life admin. Yeah, I tried to keep my 638 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: tech stack pretty lean from a personal perspective. 639 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 3: And I do think that that's probably also my advice 640 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 3: is that actually use less apps and know how to 641 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 3: use them properly, so the time in learning them. So 642 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 3: obviously the five kind of sort of foundational thing. So 643 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 3: thinking about what your password manager is, what your cloud storage, 644 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: what calendar you're using, what budgeting tool you're using, those 645 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 3: are all really important. 646 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 4: I guess. 647 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 3: The only other two that I use on a regular 648 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 3: basis Trippet, which I love for holiday bookings. Really makes 649 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 3: you just send an email to the Trippet and it 650 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 3: already compiles an itinerary for you, So I use that 651 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 3: one even for really short trips. And the other one 652 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 3: that I use on a regular basis is Paprika because 653 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 3: you can send recipes from the you know, you see 654 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 3: something on a website and you can copy that into 655 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 3: the Proprika app and it automatically saves in there. So 656 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 3: that's what I love to use. 657 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 2: Now that I've said that, I'm keeping by tech stack 658 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 2: light about four things just popped to mind. One is 659 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 2: genius Scan, which is an app I use on my 660 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 2: phone to scan things to turn them into PDFs rather 661 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 2: than uploading them with documents handy. I also love the 662 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 2: website pdf Candy, So if you don't have Adobe installed 663 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 2: at home and paying outrageous subscription fees. You might like 664 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 2: pdf candy because it lets you do all the editing, 665 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: filling in, arranging, signing, various things you need to do 666 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: with PDFs that Adobe can make hard if you're not 667 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 2: paid up subscriber. I also just discovered the Forest app. 668 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 2: This is an app that really helps you concentrate. So 669 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 2: it's one of those apps where if you have a 670 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 2: task you do not want to be interrupted, You're trying 671 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 2: to just sit down focus. At the start, you'll set 672 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 2: it up and a little plan to seed, and that 673 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 2: seed will go into a tree as long as you 674 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 2: remain on task and don't get distracted, and at the end, 675 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: once you fulfill your task, it actually plants a tree 676 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 2: in real life. So it's a bit of environmentalism and 677 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 2: productivity all in one forest. 678 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: I love it very good. Now for people that want 679 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: to get their hands on Life admin hacks, which has 680 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: a beautiful pink color cover. I really love the color 681 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: of the cover. Where can people do that? How can 682 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: they do that? 683 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 3: As you can get the book online obviously in all 684 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 3: the major onlines. It's also available big W and Target 685 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 3: and all booksellers. You can also download it on Audible 686 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: or Belinda so wherever books are available. 687 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: Hang on, Belinda, what's Belinda? 688 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 3: Sorry Belinda Audio. 689 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: I have not heard of this. 690 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 2: Oh okay, here's another app for you. You need to 691 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 2: get the borrow Box app by Belinda. So this allows 692 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: you to listen to audio books and ebooks via your 693 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 2: local library. 694 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 695 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 2: Wow, that's beautiful for the car trip. Beautiful if you're 696 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 2: to replace some podcasts. But yes, Amazon Books, Kindle, book Topia, 697 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 2: the usual places. 698 00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing, this has been enlighteny. I feel like I'm 699 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 1: going to go back over this episode and just write 700 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: down a bunch of different things that I want to 701 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: try out. So thank you so much both of you 702 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: for your time, Maya and Dina. And I'm feeling more 703 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: organized in my life already, even though I haven't actioned anything. 704 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 4: I love the optimism and the enthusiasm. 705 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 3: It's great to hear us a nice chatting to you, Amantha. 706 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 1: I hope you are feeling inspired to whip your home 707 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: life into shape after hearing from Mia and Diner. And 708 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: if you end up venturing into the wonderful world of 709 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: audio messages, let me know how you go. That is 710 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: one thing that has seriously changed my life, and I 711 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: use them several times a day, every day to make 712 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: my communication clearer, easier, and also just more personable. How 713 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: I Work is produced by Inventium with production support from 714 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: Dead Set Studios. The producers for this episode were Liam 715 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: Riordan and Jenna Koder, And thank you to Martin Nimba 716 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: who did the audio mix and makes everything sound better 717 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: than it would have otherwise. See you next time.