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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line. You may recall last

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Speaker 1: week I caught up with my next guest last week

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Speaker 1: as well and spoke about some of those concerns, and

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Speaker 1: he joins me on the line again this morning. His

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Speaker 1: name is John Koenig. He's the owner of John John's

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Speaker 1: ice Cream. Good morning to you, John, Okay, how yeah,

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Speaker 1: really well, thank you so much for your time now, John,

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Speaker 1: I know that we were talking yesterday, of course, a

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Speaker 1: lot about anti social behavior on the show. How have

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Speaker 1: things been going for you over the last week or

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Speaker 1: so since we last spoke.

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Speaker 2: Over the last week, I guess there has been a

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Speaker 2: bit more police present. The police came down, we didn't

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Speaker 2: have a meeting on site, and then just their plan

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Speaker 2: of what they wanted to do for the city. That

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Speaker 2: meeting happened on Wednesday, and I did request for a

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Speaker 2: CCTV trailer to be put into the park. That request

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Speaker 2: was put through Wednesday afternoon and then was granted and

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Speaker 2: then the trailer went in Thursday. So there was action

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Speaker 2: taking immediately, which was good to see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is really good to hear.

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Speaker 3: John.

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Speaker 1: How's it going there now that that CCTV trailers there?

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Speaker 3: Over the last week, I think the severe anti social

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Speaker 3: behavior has decreased from what I can see, but there's

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Speaker 3: also been a lot of the police presence as well

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Speaker 3: going in through the park, larryk here and TPS also

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Speaker 3: going through as well. But then on Sunday and night

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Speaker 3: we were closing up and then it was told by

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Speaker 3: the TPS guards that there was a break in at

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Speaker 3: one of the cafes and then those youths were sitting

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Speaker 3: at the front of my shop, so luckily we were closed.

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Speaker 3: And then yesterday I locked up to work. In the

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Speaker 3: buildings across the road they had graffiti done all over them,

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Speaker 3: and then obviously what happened at Woolli's. So even though

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Speaker 3: it might seem like it's a little bit better, yeah,

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Speaker 3: just different pockets not so great as well well.

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Speaker 1: And it's just, you know, it's just one of the

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Speaker 1: many things that you're having to grapple with, and you'd

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Speaker 1: gone through, you know, some of the anti social behavior

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Speaker 1: and different issues that you've had to deal with with

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Speaker 1: us last week, and I know that you've made a

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Speaker 1: number of sort of or taken a number of different

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Speaker 1: steps in an effort to try to make your business

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Speaker 1: more secure and to try to stop that anti social behavior.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: You and I spoke last week and you'd called for

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Speaker 1: a few different things to happen. Have you seen much

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Speaker 1: change since you and I spoke last week? Aside from

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Speaker 1: that CCTV trailer.

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Speaker 3: I haven't really spoke. Besides the TV trailer, I haven't

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Speaker 3: really spoken to I was just waiting for the meeting

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Speaker 3: to address all those concerns because it was just like otherwise.

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Speaker 3: I'm still running a business and doing twelve for fifteen

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Speaker 3: hour days. So I didn't want to get bogged down

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Speaker 3: in meetings. I thought I have it all said at once,

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Speaker 3: and then the people can speak as well and just

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Speaker 3: try to have an approach where government, NGO's police, landlord's,

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Speaker 3: business owners and in the wider community. It's something that

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Speaker 3: we all need to work together with.

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Speaker 1: And so that meeting, that public, that public meeting, it's

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Speaker 1: happening tonight, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That's okay. So it's at five pm at Tameron Park,

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Speaker 3: which is a part next to John John's. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: I think there's Shunk support. There's ministers or their advisors

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Speaker 3: are coming down. The police are coming down as well,

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Speaker 3: and counsel.

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Speaker 1: That is good to hear. Any idea how many you

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Speaker 1: know how many other business owners or how many other

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Speaker 3: I am not too sure. Most business owners that I've

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Speaker 3: spoken to will try to attend, but like as well,

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Speaker 3: everyone's running a business and I'm not really too sure.

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Speaker 2: But from what I do.

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Speaker 3: Though, is friends getting back to me that just from

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Speaker 3: the conversations that I've had on radio, a lot of

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Speaker 3: people are talking. And then when people do come and

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Speaker 3: say hello, they were often or not, they'll tell me

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Speaker 3: lot of people are set up and sick of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's interesting. Thing is there's been two customers that have

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Speaker 3: come to my shop every day at five pm for

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Speaker 3: the last six weeks, and yesterday I was sitting down

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Speaker 3: and having a chat with him and they said, in

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Speaker 3: the six weeks that they've been here every single day there,

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Speaker 3: it's progressively gotten worse and the just tourists to do

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Speaker 3: on and if they can see it, and as that

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Speaker 3: note that was noticeable for them, then it goes to

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Speaker 3: show something. And then we just happen to be at

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Speaker 3: the Bullies right before that incident.

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Speaker 1: So this is the thing, you know, it's scary for people.

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Speaker 1: It's utterly scary if you were there when that incident unfolded.

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Speaker 1: But it's also like the kind of behavior that you

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Speaker 1: just cannot tolerate. If we start to tolerate that behavior,

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Speaker 1: walk past it, think that it's okay, or see it

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Speaker 1: as being normal, it is absolutely not normal. But it

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Speaker 1: is also so entirely frightening for people who are visitors

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Speaker 1: to the Northern Territory or to Darwin.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I could not agree with that statement

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Speaker 3: even more. If tourists are coming through and they're not

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Speaker 3: used to seeing this sort of thing, then like their

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Speaker 3: first instance is like what are the government doing? What

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Speaker 3: is the police doing? And then like you've got to

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Speaker 3: educate them because they just see such a bad incidents,

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Speaker 3: and then the referral of what they're going to go

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Speaker 3: back home and say to the people. But I've got

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Speaker 3: friends who live and work in the city, and the

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Speaker 3: people who live in the city don't shop at Willie's

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Speaker 3: in the city. They'd rather go to than likelist shop.

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Speaker 3: It's just like, why are you driving twenty minutes out

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Speaker 3: of the city to do your shopping and then driving home?

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. Well, This is exactly based on safety.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be cleaned up, it's got to

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Speaker 1: be sorted out.

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Speaker 3: John.

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Speaker 1: So with the meeting this afternoon, mate, can anyone come

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Speaker 1: along or who exactly you know? Who are you hoping

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Speaker 1: it tends anyone?

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Speaker 3: I mean, anyone can come down and support because it's

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Speaker 3: going to be a community why push, And it's at

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Speaker 3: the I said the other day, it's at the boiling

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Speaker 3: point and unless something gets done, it's only going to

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Speaker 3: get worse. And where you really need to get lift

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Speaker 3: in the button the moment. So the more support the better,

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Speaker 3: I'd say.

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Speaker 1: Now, what are you hoping? What outcomes are you hoping

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Speaker 1: for from this meeting?

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing that I do want to say, it's

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Speaker 3: not a meeting to bash anyone, or I shouldn't they

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Speaker 3: bash is not the right word, is that it's not

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Speaker 3: too point fingers and took the blame game like that

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Speaker 3: that's already been done and that's not working. What needs

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Speaker 3: to happen is the whole community approach to get things

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Speaker 3: sorted and the things that I'm highlighting is that. But

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Speaker 3: you know, safety is one thing, but whether or not

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Speaker 3: extra lighting so people feel safer more patrols is, which

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Speaker 3: you know they're already working on and just cleaning up

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Speaker 3: the problem areas. So I do know the park is

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Speaker 3: one of the problem areas, and that's why I'm holding

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Speaker 3: that meeting there, and how can we address it? What

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Speaker 3: are the solutions, what's worked previously and what hasn't worked?

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Speaker 3: And the CCTV one is a week trial already seems

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Speaker 3: to be working. But when no one's around, does the

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Speaker 3: antisocial behavior increase or decrease? I can't tell. I can't say.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a really good idea that this meeting happens,

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Speaker 1: and your spot on. You know, we've tried every tact

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Speaker 1: when it comes to this antisocial behavior and nothing seems

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Speaker 1: to be changing. So I think that it's a really

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Speaker 1: good thing if everybody gets together and we try our

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Speaker 1: best to make sure that our voices are heard. So

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Speaker 1: I would certainly encourage anybody you know who wants to

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Speaker 1: show their support for our Northern Territory business owners who

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Speaker 1: are based in the CBD, for wonderful people like yourself,

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Speaker 1: get down there Tamarin Park, five o'clock this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, and I appreciate all the support