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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to two Good Sports sports news told differently.

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Speaker 2: I'm Abby Jellmy and I'm Abbe Jelmy. It is a

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Speaker 2: singular one of the two Good Sports this week as

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Speaker 2: our dear Georgie Tunney is still sailing around Spain, I believe,

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Speaker 2: although I did see footage at first singing the Lions

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Speaker 2: excited that Brisbane are through to the final four of

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Speaker 2: the AFL Finals. But do we have an episode for you,

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Speaker 2: because loyal listeners remember in October last year Georgie and

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Speaker 2: I said there's a certain little Melbournie and you need

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Speaker 2: to keep an eye on Oscar Piastre. And if we

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Speaker 2: said he was on the rise, then my goodness, has

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Speaker 2: he just arrived now? Because Oscar Piastre has claimed his

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Speaker 2: second F one win, holding on for victory at the

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Speaker 2: Azerbaijean Grand Prix. Now it was a drama filled race,

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Speaker 2: and if his first win in Hungary was questioned given

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Speaker 2: he had to rely on McLaren teammate Orlando Norris giving

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Speaker 2: seemingly are the Papaya rules, Yes, that's what they're called

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Speaker 2: in F one circles, which are essentially just McLaren's internal

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Speaker 2: raise each other rather than just whole position. Piastre started

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Speaker 2: Championship for the first time since twenty fourteen, and the

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Speaker 2: face of it is our Australian Oscar Piastre, and he says,

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Speaker 2: I think considering where we started when I joined the

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Speaker 2: so are we and listeners. You know Georgie and I

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Speaker 2: hate to say I told you so, but we told

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Speaker 2: you so. We were so excited to do a deep

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Speaker 2: please take a listen to this little bit of a

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Speaker 2: reheated episode because we think you'll enjoy it. George on

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Speaker 2: today's show. Some sports people can pinpoint the exact moment

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Speaker 2: they knew all they wanted to do was to reach

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Speaker 2: the pinnacle of their sport. Remarkably, that's not the case

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Speaker 2: for Australia's most successful athlete on the world stage right now?

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Speaker 2: Who am I talking about?

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Speaker 1: Sam Kay?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well she is very success but right now, but

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Speaker 2: right now in terms of global sports and who is performing?

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Speaker 2: Oscar Pastre, Oscar pstre Pistre pstrest. He loved cars and

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Speaker 2: racing the remote control variety from as early as six

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Speaker 2: at six because it wasn't that cool. No move to

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Speaker 1: And then he was set up to be an F

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Speaker 1: So weird, it's so complicated, like it's quite a convoluted progression.

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Speaker 2: A jaw line and you've probably got the right bloke

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Speaker 2: Him racing with the dodge on deck. That's him. That's

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Speaker 1: And he is now Oscar Pstre's manager. So him with

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Speaker 2: And we also think as Australians we get hyped about

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Speaker 2: simply not the case for Oscar Pastre. It is a

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Speaker 2: talking heads talk about it on Everyone's favorite show, Drive

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Speaker 2: to Survive.

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Speaker 1: It is everyone's favorite show.

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Speaker 2: It is everybody's favorite show. So and if you haven't,

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Speaker 2: I was late to the Drive to Survive party, I'll

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Speaker 1: Christian Horner to quantify that is the head of Red

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Speaker 1: Bull Racing. He is also mister Jerry halliwell, I know

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Speaker 2: because it brought these big names in F one that

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Speaker 2: in season five, which is August twenty twenty two, Fernando

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Speaker 2: That could it is, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: giving side eye to people and backing it up with results.

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Speaker 2: I told you at age, well we seem like geniuses,

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Speaker 2: don't we? But thank you for listening to Two Good

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Speaker 2: Sports sports News told differently. We'll be back on Monday,

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Speaker 2: not Tuesday, Monday with a special Brownlow episode going through

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Speaker 2: the deep dive of some of the best and let's

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Speaker 2: be honest, most memorable moments from football and AFL's Night

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Speaker 2: of Nights. But again, thank you so much for joining us.

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