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Speaker 1: Black Cast Unite our voices.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bayon.

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Speaker 1: My sister.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining me on this beautiful day here

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Speaker 3: on Koby Kobe Country. I would love for you to

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Speaker 3: share with my listeners and our viewers on YouTube. Tell

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Speaker 3: us about your mob or tell us your name, your

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Speaker 3: mob and a little bit about where you grew up

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Speaker 3: because a lot of people when we mentioned our mob,

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Speaker 3: whether it's a language group or our tribes, people don't.

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Speaker 1: Know where that is. Yes, so tell us a bit

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Speaker 1: about Yeah, you're sure.

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Speaker 4: My name is Sissy gor Birch.

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Speaker 2: I am a jar Ugidja woman with connections to Balangara,

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Speaker 2: Baba and Yiggina up in the East Kimberly and the

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Speaker 2: Kimberly region. I grew up in Windham, a small community

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Speaker 2: up in the East Kimberly and you know, like you

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Speaker 2: know what families are like. We had my mom and

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Speaker 2: dad had eight of us us in the household and

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Speaker 2: they adopted so many other kids, so it was overcrowded,

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Speaker 2: but it was fun and we shared, you know, like

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Speaker 2: the way we were brought up, you know, we were poor,

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Speaker 2: you know, we shared everything with everybody else and you

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Speaker 2: got hand me down, so we got hand me down

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Speaker 2: that it was so deadly, like we just it was

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Speaker 2: like an awesome op shop, you know, like a lost

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Speaker 2: girls just digging three things.

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Speaker 1: It was just nine.

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Speaker 2: Ah yeah, well you'd know now, oh girls. Well we

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Speaker 2: had six girls up and then two boys came late.

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Speaker 2: So and by that time I left home. So there's

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Speaker 2: a nineteen year gap between myself as the eldest and

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Speaker 2: my youngest brother.

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Speaker 3: So you are the eldest, yes, I am, sis, I'm

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Speaker 3: the six youngest I got I got five older sisters.

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Speaker 1: So I'm number six and then three little sisters.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had.

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Speaker 1: No idea what it'd be like to be the eldest.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot of pressure, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just you just need to go and do what

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Speaker 1: Carry money, yeah, pretty younger ones.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it was.

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Speaker 2: Like that a lot, you know. And it's nice too

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Speaker 2: with all the girls. You know, we grew up together

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Speaker 4: It was like sisters.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of fighting, arguing, you know, fighting

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Speaker 2: You know, So the girls were just always fighting all

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Speaker 2: the time and arguing. But it was pretty amazing, you know,

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Speaker 2: growing up in that household, the opportunity we had, Mom

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Speaker 2: and dad took us out fishing, camping, hunting. You know,

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Speaker 2: we just grew up on the land in the bush

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Speaker 2: and you know that's something that you know, we'll never

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Speaker 2: ever forget. And this is, you know, the things that

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Speaker 2: I try and grow up, you know with and instill

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Speaker 2: with my children. I've got five children and one little

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Speaker 2: grandchild and one more coming on in December, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy about that and very excited. Like it's

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Speaker 2: just such a different love and it's amazing. Like I

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Speaker 2: heard my parents say that, you know, like being a

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Speaker 2: grandmother and a grandparent is so it's a different thing

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Speaker 2: to a parent. So I definitely agree, and it's just

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Speaker 2: such a lovely thing.

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Speaker 1: So which way are you living now?

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Speaker 2: Living in Kananara only one hundred k's away from Wyndham.

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Speaker 2: I had some great opportunities through my life, and I

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Speaker 1: The Master of Ceremony, yes for this time.

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Speaker 2: And I've been so fortunate Karina and her team have

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Speaker 2: But this space around climate, clean energy, Aboriginal people on

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Speaker 1: It's a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot, you know, and being a mother and

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Speaker 1: It's empowering, Oh my god, Like it's a wake up

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Speaker 3: No one telling you what to do, when to do,

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Speaker 2: You can that independence, yes, and you're sitting in your

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Speaker 2: And you know, it was always told that, oh, you

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Speaker 2: Because my husband he's got a background in science, I've

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Speaker 3: Of course, and that there's massive issues around food security

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of, Kananara, Yeah, I mean, like there's

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Speaker 2: it's just not appropriate. And the cost of living is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: And this is what I've noticed over the last probably

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Speaker 2: structures are breaking down because of all the distractions that

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Speaker 2: And it's just been such an amazing journey for me

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Speaker 1: So how can we purchase your fashion? Tell the listeners?

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Speaker 3: And what has it been like You've got your website,

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Speaker 2: Like I've been amazed, like the stuff that I'm wearing,

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Speaker 1: You've got a men's line. Yes, I've got an accist

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Speaker 3: I love the fact that every T shirt tells a story. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it's connected to culture, it's ethical, it's got integrity, it's educational. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and you want more people to know about these species,

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Speaker 3: That's exactly how I see this clothing, you know. And

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Speaker 3: We are so deadly with what we want to do

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Speaker 2: Well, it's such an expensive space and I didn't realize

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Speaker 2: you know, And I was, you'd be great if there

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Speaker 2: I've finally got stock, and I just need to make

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Speaker 2: actually goes back to our youth program. So we're developing

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Speaker 2: I you know, as a kid growing up, we always

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Speaker 2: we actually made cash by selling cupcakes and jelly jelly

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Speaker 2: bowls and toffees and you know, all of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: So we learned at a very early age. And now

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Speaker 2: this is the stuff I want to bring back to

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Speaker 2: young kids that you can actually make some money and

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Speaker 2: some cash because a lot of our young kids don't

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Speaker 2: have that opportunity to have pocket money, you know, instead

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Speaker 2: of humbugging your mother and father, go out and do

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Speaker 2: something for yourself. So through through our young women's program,

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Speaker 2: this is what we're doing, and we're fortunate to get

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Speaker 2: some funding available last year and this year to run

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Speaker 2: our next Young women's Working on Country program. And we're

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Speaker 2: also ten percent of our sales actually goes back into

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Speaker 2: a youth housing project because I've worked in the youth

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Speaker 2: industry for a very long time and we're wanting to

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Speaker 2: develop a housing project for our young people on the

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Speaker 2: streets that don't have a stable home, that are wanting

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Speaker 2: to go and look for a job and to be

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Speaker 2: able to look at providing nutritional programs and also money making,

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Speaker 2: money saving sort of program and to get them into

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Speaker 2: a trade or a traineeship so that they have some

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Speaker 2: stability and you know, at least for that first.

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Speaker 4: Part of their life.

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Speaker 2: So our sales, whatever sales goes, goes back into our

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Speaker 2: youth program, so our housing program and also our youth

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Speaker 2: on country program.

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Speaker 3: My sister, this is just too deadly because we don't

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Speaker 3: talk about all the deadly things that we do for

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Speaker 3: our communities. Just being you know, blackfellows, Aboriginal people. We're

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Speaker 3: taught to be humble, to be grounded, not to big

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Speaker 3: nat yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and this is a platform where we can talk.

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Speaker 3: About what we're doing in our communities because a lot

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Speaker 3: of non Aboriginal people really they don't know. They've been

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Speaker 3: taught and lied to through mainstream media.

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Speaker 1: It's the deficit model.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and here we are is too quite capable business

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Speaker 3: owners and entrepreneurs that are still raising families, holding communities together,

473
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Speaker 3: holding fans together, growing up our babies and our young

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Speaker 3: people to be strong in culture, and then teaching them

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Speaker 3: about investing and entrepreneurship. And looking after country. So I

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Speaker 3: can't wait to come through Kananara.

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Speaker 4: You have to come.

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Speaker 3: I'm coming back not just for twenty four hours, no,

479
00:23:23,311 --> 00:23:27,831
Speaker 3: but also all of the networks and people and clients

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Speaker 3: that I work with with Black Counter Training, I deliver

481
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Speaker 3: to a lot of people, especially philanthropists, people that have

482
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Speaker 3: money but don't know where to put the money. So

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Speaker 3: these communities, these initiatives, and even the clothing. I can't

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Speaker 3: wait to buy one of your carrots. I'll be representing

485
00:23:44,151 --> 00:23:46,871
Speaker 3: please and letting people know where they can go to buy.

486
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Speaker 3: But for your mob listening, I hope you do look

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Speaker 3: in the show notes and get online and purchase a

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Speaker 3: T shirt, even.

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Speaker 1: For a gift.

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Speaker 3: For every one dollar you spend with a black business,

491
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Speaker 3: the social impact equals four dollars forty one. We are

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Speaker 3: one hundred times more likely to imp ploy our people,

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Speaker 3: according to a recent study, and I'll put that study

494
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Speaker 3: in the show notes as well. One hundred times, not

495
00:24:11,391 --> 00:24:15,191
Speaker 3: ten times, a hundred times more likely to employ our

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Speaker 3: own people. So how about that in terms of closing

497
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Speaker 3: the gap when it comes to unemployment rates, back indigenous

498
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Speaker 3: businesses because that's where the change is going to happen,

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Speaker 3: not in one hundred years. It can happen within our lifetime.

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Speaker 3: So my sister, thank you, thank you for being here,

501
00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:35,191
Speaker 3: jumping on this podcast and sharing the amazing work that

502
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Speaker 3: you do within your community, within your family, and hopefully

503
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Speaker 3: we'll see your garments on the runway.

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Speaker 2: Yes next year, next year, next year. Yes, I'm a

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00:24:45,151 --> 00:24:47,871
Speaker 2: part of the IFP program. So we got in and

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Speaker 2: to showcase our collections in twenty twenty six at the

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Speaker 2: Australian Fashion Week.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming.

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Speaker 3: There are so many people doing deadly things in this space.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait for people to start engaging more and

511
00:25:01,751 --> 00:25:05,711
Speaker 3: thinking about how can you reach some of these startups

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Speaker 3: that initiatives happening in our community.

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Speaker 1: So, my sister, I don't need to say good luck.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of deadly things already happening. But I

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00:25:13,991 --> 00:25:17,791
Speaker 3: hope I can come to the community and figure out

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Speaker 3: how do we get more support, some funding to some

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Speaker 3: of these programs that not just relying on sales of

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Speaker 3: a T shirt. There's some wealthy families in this country, yes,

519
00:25:28,391 --> 00:25:31,551
Speaker 3: that really want to give back, and these programs are

520
00:25:31,591 --> 00:25:32,311
Speaker 3: already set up.

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Speaker 1: We just need some more resourcing.

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Speaker 4: That would be fabulous without all the red tape. Ah,

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Speaker 4: that would be amazing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like because I have been so blessed around

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Speaker 2: the philanthropy that has supported me for the young Women's

526
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Speaker 2: camp for the last two years, and if we can

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Speaker 2: have that, like one camp a year is not enough,

528
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Speaker 2: we want to do five moly.

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Speaker 4: You know, it'd be amazing.

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Speaker 2: Because it's that consistency that our young people could grow

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Speaker 2: and develop and that exposure. So we want to bring

532
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Speaker 2: in women like yourself, you know, professional, you know, black

533
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Speaker 2: strong women to come in to be able to share

534
00:26:03,271 --> 00:26:04,951
Speaker 2: this is in their gurney, because that's where we're going

535
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Speaker 2: to learn from.

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Speaker 1: So you can't be what you can't see.

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly that.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is the stuff that we need to

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00:26:10,631 --> 00:26:12,231
Speaker 2: do and expose our kids, and this is what the

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00:26:12,271 --> 00:26:14,991
Speaker 2: schools need to start learning about and teaching our kids

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Speaker 2: about business, about entrepreneurship. You know, like our kids are

542
00:26:17,871 --> 00:26:20,071
Speaker 2: going to school learning about things that is not even

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Speaker 2: necessary for future. I know, we need to be thinking

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Speaker 2: about how do we embed these projects and programs into

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Speaker 2: the school system so that our kids are thinking outside

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Speaker 2: the box.

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Speaker 3: Of course, my sister go and enjoy the rest of

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Speaker 3: the what's left of this deadly conference. Yes, and I

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Speaker 3: hope I can see you very soon. I'll be wearing

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Speaker 3: one of these dadly coats.

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Speaker 4: Awesome. Thank you and thank you so much for inviting

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Speaker 4: me on the show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Can't wait. We're going to be doing business. Please,

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Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's do it.

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00:26:47,751 --> 00:26:47,791
Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: This is where business happens, where the magic happens, not

557
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Speaker 3: just on the podcast, but when black fellows get together.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait to see what the future holds for us

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Speaker 3: as more black women think about business and entrepreneurship as

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Speaker 3: an in terms of being employed by other people.

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Speaker 1: You know, we need to be in charge of our own.

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Speaker 3: Destinies and there's a lot of people that have been

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Speaker 3: able to do it.

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Speaker 1: It's never too late.

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Speaker 3: So I hope you've got a lot out of this podcast,

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Speaker 3: and I hope you've enjoyed this Deadly So until next time.

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Speaker 1: By for now.

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Speaker 3: If you'd like any more on today's guest, please visit

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Speaker 3: our show notes in the episode description.

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Speaker 1: A big shout out to all.

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Speaker 3: You Deadly Mob and allies who continue to listen, watch,

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