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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is the colp's

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Speaker 1: member for Braitling in Alice Springs, Josh Bergoing. Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Morning Katie, Morning to you listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Josh, I was going to go to the People's

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Speaker 1: Choice issue first, but after what's happened over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: I think I'd rather actually talk to you first off

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Speaker 1: about these home invasions that have been experienced over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Now three of them, from what I can gather, correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, are the Southern Watch Commander Mark

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Speaker 1: Watson saying that three homes in less than three hours

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Speaker 1: will targeted across Saturdayen and Braitling armed. Three armed offenders

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Speaker 1: I believe bearing edged weapons broke into a saturday In

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Speaker 1: home at eleven thirty, threatening a seventy five year old

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Speaker 1: woman living in that house before fleeing. Then at twelve

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Speaker 1: twenty one, three armed defenders breaking into a home before

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Speaker 1: stealing a vehicle. An unknown number of offenders then trying

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Speaker 1: to force their way into another occupant's home. As I

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Speaker 1: understand it, that occupant well locking themselves in the bedroom,

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Speaker 1: had to flee through the bedroom window. Josh, these sound

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Speaker 1: like bloody, frightening incidents over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: They're shocking incidents, Katie, and unfortunately they aren't I once off.

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Speaker 2: These sorts of escalating crime incidents have been happening in

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Speaker 2: Alice Springs for some time. My information is that over

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Speaker 2: the weekend there were four four entries. Obviously three of

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Speaker 2: those police believed to be linked. So I've been listening

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Speaker 2: to local radio this morning myself, and yeah, obviously wanting

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Speaker 2: very busy at the moment, and it's really concerning when

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Speaker 2: we hear about these sorts of incidents happening time and

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Speaker 2: time again. It was only not too long ago where

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Speaker 2: an elderly lady that my wife and I know lived

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Speaker 2: in Alice Springs for an extraordinarily long time, was held

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Speaker 2: up at nine point in their own home in larapinter

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Speaker 2: And you know, I've spoken to that woman since that event.

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Speaker 2: And this affects people for the rest of their lives,

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Speaker 2: these sorts of incidents, which is why we are so

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Speaker 2: committed to cracking down on crime and ensuring that people

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Speaker 1: Tell us from what we can gather, and I know

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Speaker 1: that there's a post on the Action for Alis page.

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Speaker 1: But Brent Potter, the minister, confirming this as well. Apparently

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Speaker 1: one of those incidents involving a mum and kids who

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Speaker 1: were held at knife point pleading for a children's safety

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Speaker 1: fourteen year old protecting his three year old sibling. What

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Speaker 1: do you know of that, Josh.

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Speaker 2: These sorts of reports and unfortunately you know it is

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Speaker 2: still all the information is coming to light. Is extremely concerning.

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Speaker 2: When someone breaks into a home, uses a weapon, threatens someone.

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Speaker 2: It is extremely concerning for the public because obviously we

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Speaker 2: want the offender's court as quickly as possible so that

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Speaker 2: they cannot then go on to reoffend. But I think

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Speaker 2: it leaves everyone feeling and you said it earlier, Katie,

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Speaker 2: people aren't feeling safe in their own home. And that's

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Speaker 2: what's really concerning because we all know someone that works

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Speaker 2: out Bush. I used to be electrician that worked out Bush.

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Speaker 2: Quite often you leave your family at home, and when

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Speaker 2: these sorts of events are occurring more frequently in our town,

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Speaker 2: people are seriously questioning, you know, how often they leave

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Speaker 2: their home, that their safety at home. It's just something

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Speaker 2: that people shouldn't have to deal with on a regular basis,

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Speaker 2: but unfortunately we are hearing about these armed incidents more

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Speaker 2: and more in our town.

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Speaker 1: So do you think that the government's NFE crime strategy

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Speaker 1: is working?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's not, Katie. I mean, this is the thing

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Speaker 2: they've come out with, this strategy. The police commissioner before

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Speaker 2: spoke about wanding. How many wanding operations have we had

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Speaker 2: in other springs. I reckon you'd be lucky to have

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Speaker 2: more more than a handful. And I think this is

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Speaker 2: what's frustrating, is that police should be able to want

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Speaker 2: someone any time of the day, night or day. My

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Speaker 2: understanding is under the current legislation he asked to, you know,

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Speaker 2: put forward it's for twenty four hours and then if

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Speaker 2: they want to extended. It's like a lot of these

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Speaker 2: laws and rules. Let's just make sure that police can

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Speaker 2: a wand you can use it on anyone. Let's keep

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Speaker 2: in other springs. More recently with the latest riot. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there were a number of weapons that were being utilized

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Speaker 2: and this is unfortunately. I've lived in Ola Springs my

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Speaker 2: whole life, grown up there on thirty four. These incidents

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Speaker 1: So what will you do differently? I mean, if the

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Speaker 1: CLP is elected come August, what are you going to

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Speaker 1: do differently to minimize this issue that we've clearly got

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Speaker 1: when it comes to knife crime, but when it comes

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Speaker 1: to these home invasions, what we are seeing is really frightening.

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Speaker 2: They are Katie, and we are going to change the law.

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Speaker 2: I heard time and time again about Minister Potter talking

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Speaker 2: about the judiciary the courts. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: the courts implement the laws that the Parliament sets out.

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Speaker 2: It is very simple, and I want your listeners to

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Speaker 2: understand that if the laws aren't strong enough, the judiciary

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Speaker 2: the courts will let these people go. They will say, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, they had an extrenuating circumstances, They've had a

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Speaker 2: bad upbringing, all the rest of it. At the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, if someone is breaking into someone's home.

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Speaker 2: If they are a serious violent offender, they should not

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Speaker 2: be on our streets, and they do need to be rehabilitated,

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Speaker 2: which is why we've spoken very strongly about the rehabilitation

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Speaker 2: space as well. But the end of the day, more

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Speaker 2: often than not, these people have a criminal history, they've

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Speaker 2: been involved with the courts before, but they are still

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Speaker 2: out in the public and they are able to commit

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Speaker 2: these terrible offenses whilst people are couing in their homes.

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Speaker 1: All right, Josh, I want to ask you about People

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Speaker 1: Choice Pople's Choice Credit Union in Alice Springs making the

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Speaker 1: tough decision to shut its stores in Alice for safety concerns.

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Speaker 1: So as of August thirty, as I understand it, the

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Speaker 1: bank on Hartley Street's going to permanently shut, a move

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Speaker 1: that their chief officer, their chief customer officer, Maria and

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Speaker 1: Camalleary said was not a decision that they've made lightly.

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Speaker 1: What is the situation from your understanding with People's Choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly, Katie. I've had a number of constituents get

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Speaker 2: in touch with me that are obviously customers, very upset

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Speaker 2: by the latest revelation. I think a lot of us

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Speaker 2: sort of think that the banks you know, aren't utilized

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Speaker 2: in other Springs. We utilize our banks very regular I

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Speaker 2: can tell you my office is across the road virtually

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Speaker 2: from People's Choice. There's quite often people in there doing

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Speaker 2: very clearly, I've spoken to one person I don't want

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Speaker 2: to say who they are, whose works in relation to

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Speaker 2: People's Choice, and I think what's very clear is that

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Speaker 2: there have been a number of insidants over a long

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Speaker 2: period of time. People's Choice have made that decision that

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Speaker 2: they are going to close that branch in Olla Springs,

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Speaker 2: and they've cited in that email that they sent out

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Speaker 2: to customers very clearly the lack of safety and wanting

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Speaker 2: to ensure that their staff can be safe into the future,

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Speaker 2: and unfortunately that meant closing that Other Springs branch.

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Speaker 1: Have you met with the bank. Are they prepared to

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Speaker 1: reverse this decision in any way if there can be

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Speaker 1: any kind of assurances or any changes made.

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Speaker 2: Now, Look, these are all things that I'll be seeking

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Speaker 2: to do. It is one of these things, unfortunately, that

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Speaker 2: once these decisions are made, they tend to happen. And

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Speaker 2: obviously these things, these decisions aren't made lightly, they've had security. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: I've spoken to many people that have been involved in

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Speaker 2: this space. There have been a range of incidents that

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Speaker 2: they believe they cannot overcome and as a result they

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Speaker 2: are now closing. But I think this really does more highlight, Katie,

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Speaker 2: that when the laws do not protect the citizens of

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Speaker 2: this is what happens. We have businesses as are closing

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Speaker 2: because they can't keep their own staff safe. We have

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Speaker 2: people being having home invasions because people think it's their

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Speaker 2: right to break into someone's house and steal what's not theirs.

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Speaker 2: This is as a result of a breakdown of law

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Speaker 2: and order in our community, and it is really disappointing

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Speaker 2: and upsetting to see this occurring in my hometown, the

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Speaker 2: town that I love, of our springs.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Josh Burgoyne, the member for Brakling, the seal

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Speaker 1: P member for Brakeley, I am going to have to

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Speaker 1: leave it there. Really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Thanks mate,