1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: How would you describe your relationship with food? Is it tricky, complicated, 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: or maybe there's nothing to see, or maybe you are 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: one of the many women listening who's had traumatic experiences 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: with food at some point in your life and it 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: seriously impacts your relationship with food even today. On today's 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: episode of The Nutrition Couch, we deep dive food trauma, 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: talk about the origins and most importantly, the steps to 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: work through it so you can get back to a 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: place in which you enjoy food without feeling guilty, pain 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: and suffering. 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: Hi. 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm Cusie Burrow and I'm lean Wood, and together we 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: bring you The Nutrition Couch, the weekly podcast that keeps 14 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: you up to date on everything you need to know 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: in the world of nutrition as well as food trauma. 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: We have some concerning new research looking at diet soft drinks. 17 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: Leanne has found a new sapar and our listener question 18 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: is all about creating and kidney health. So Leanne, I 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: brought this as a topic to you to discuss on 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: the potty because I've had a few clients in recent 21 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: months that have really struck me as being quite different 22 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: to a typical client presentation. So in general, I like 23 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: you specialize in women's nutrition. Most of the women I 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: would see would fall into one of two categories. They 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: want to lose five to ten kilos. They're already fit, 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: active and just want to find tune their body composition. 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: And then I see a group of women who maybe 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: have twenty thirty kilos to lose over a longer period 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: of time, perhaps are using a new GORP medication and 30 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: need diet support. And it's work I really enjoy. I've 31 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: done it for twenty twenty five years, and my background 32 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: is in psychology, so I feel quite comfortable to work 33 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: through psychological issues as they arise, and inevitably in life, 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: we've all got some psych stuff that could do with 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: some therapy at some point or another. But what I 36 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: want to talk about today is a couple of clients 37 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: who I would describe more as outliers, because what I 38 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: have identified is that whilst they may present with wanting 39 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: to lose weight, often it is an underlying issue with 40 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: their relationship with food. And the way that I would 41 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: define it is that it's a little bit unusual. It's 42 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: not a case of just turning up and saying what 43 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: do I eat to lose weight? Or how do I 44 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: find you in my program, or do I have hormone issues. 45 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: It's sort of more an unusual presentation of struggling to 46 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: enjoy eating. Often it may be someone who's had a 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: long history of dieting. That may be sort of the 48 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: initial They might say that, you know, my mum was 49 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: a dieter, I went to weight watches. Since I'm ten, 50 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: I really don't know what I should be eating. I 51 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: don't feel much pleasure in food anymore, or in some 52 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: cases even completely disassociated from what they like to eat, 53 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: what they should eat, and even a topic that they 54 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: can't talk much about. There's a trauma there. So certainly 55 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's everyone, but I would say that 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: some people listening this will resonate with because what I 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: wanted to chat about today was the way our very 58 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: early experiences with food, and in particular what i'd describe 59 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: as traumat events associated with food directly or indirectly, can 60 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: have a very powerful impact on how we conduct ourselves 61 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: in relation to food throughout our entire life. And in 62 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: some of these cases, or many of them, in my experience, 63 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: my client is actually not even aware of what has 64 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: caused this relationship. All they know is that they can't 65 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: necessarily get to the weight they want to get to, 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: they can't seem to get their eating behavior under control, 67 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: and there's just something else there that doesn't make a 68 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: lot of sense. Now, this is quite heavy psychological stuff. 69 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm certainly not encouraging people to deep dive into emotional 70 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: trauma without relative support. My background is in psychology. I'm 71 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: skilled and qualified to be dealing with this. But I 72 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: would say to any dietitians listening, this may be a 73 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: little bit above your pay grade. If you're feeling like 74 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: it's getting into territory of eating disorders, long term disordered 75 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: eating patterns, personal trauma. It's definitely more worked for a 76 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: psychologist than a dietitian. But Lee and we do see 77 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: it because so often the food is the symptom. So 78 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: the first thing I wanted to say was I would 79 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: describe it is when there is maladaptive relationships with food, 80 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: sometimes it is indicative that there may be food trauma present. 81 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: So when some of the behaviors don't make sense, and 82 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: this is across the board in terms of behavior, when 83 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: people are behaving in a way that doesn't quite make sense. So, 84 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: for example, the way I often pick it up. The 85 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: first risk factor I see is when people describe having 86 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 1: a long history with dieting and restrictive eating, and often 87 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: that has come through a mother or a grandmother and 88 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: a discussion about body image or fat shaming at a 89 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: very young age. That's a very big one. But the 90 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: other time it comes up for me is when I 91 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: perhaps started to work with a client and I have 92 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 1: gone through the process of a diet assessment, talking about 93 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: habits we want to change, and then no matter how 94 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: good their efforts are, they just don't seem to be 95 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: able to do it, and they're not even sure why. 96 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: And then I start to deep dive into what I 97 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: would describe it early food trauma. So, if you're someone 98 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: listening who knows that your relationship with food is not great, 99 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: if you were exposed to diets early, or you just 100 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: have a love hate relationship with it, you binge eat 101 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: for unexplained reasons. You go through periods of extreme diets 102 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: and deprivation. You don't ever enjoy your food. It's like 103 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: an effort or a chore. You're almost dissociated from making 104 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,679 Speaker 1: positive changes and are self sabotaging your dietary or health 105 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: related goals. These are all factors that may be suggestive 106 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: that food trauma is there. Now. One of the things 107 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: I wanted to discuss is that people may not be 108 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: as aware that when we're below the age of adolescence, 109 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: when we are exposed to some of those what I 110 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: call as traumatic experiences, which may be as simple as 111 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: a grandmother fat shaming you. It maybe your mother making 112 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: comments about your weight, maybe that you were dragged to 113 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: weight watchers. Often we're not even aware that that may 114 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: be a fact driving our experience. And what happens in 115 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: those early years is it basically puts an imprint onto 116 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: our psychology, into our psyche, and we identify with that. So, 117 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: for example, if you may have had a grandmother when 118 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: you were quite small, you might have only been four 119 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: or five, the first points that you can establish memory, 120 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: and there may have been you may have observed her 121 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: with abnormal eating behaviors or restricting food intake. You might 122 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: have felt deprived. You might have been always going to 123 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: school and your mother never packed you any treats, so 124 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: you used to steal other kids' lunches, that kind of 125 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: maladaptive behavior which isn't quite normal. And so as an 126 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: adult quite likely if you find now that you sneak food, 127 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: if you hide food away. Often it is that very 128 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: early experience that is driving that behavior as an adult. 129 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: Because as human beings, when we find ourselves in similar situations, 130 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: So if there's a perception of restriction or a belief 131 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,559 Speaker 1: that you should be losing weight, it will trigger those 132 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: subconscious programs without you even realizing it. So, for example, Anne, 133 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: when I've got a client who is binge eating after 134 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: dinner and she's got a well balanced meal plan, she's 135 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: having treats regularly already, and yet still binging. One of 136 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: the things I will say to try and assess if 137 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: this early food trauma may be there, I'll send them 138 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: off and I'll say, I want you to think about 139 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: your first experiences of food, your memories from when you're 140 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: a child. And I cannot tell you. There's stuff that 141 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: comes up with clients and the depth of it, ranging 142 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: from childhood illness to full eating disordered parents, to actual 143 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: physical restriction of food, to parents divorcing to family illness, 144 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: and at that time we've found comfort in food or 145 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: have formed that belief about ourselves that we were deprived 146 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: or fat or naughty, whatever that is, and that's become 147 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: what we identify with. So as adults, what happens is 148 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: when we find ourselves in that same stress situation, we 149 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: elicit the same response. And that's why you may find 150 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: yourself even though it makes no sense. You can eat 151 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: whatever you want when you want still hiding food, binging 152 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: food and feeling and engaging in those maladaptive behaviors that 153 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: don't make sense. 154 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: So I thought it was. 155 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: Just worth a bit of a discussion because in the 156 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: past few months I've seen a couple of things that 157 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: I've gone, oh my God, like, no wonder, you've got 158 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: a traumatic relationship with food. So it's certainly not to 159 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: make people you know, emotional or feel any more guilty. 160 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: But the first step in recovery is awareness. And I 161 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: can't tell you how cleansing it is for clients who 162 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: have struggled with binge eating restrictive eating diets to understand 163 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: why they do some of the things that they do, 164 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: because when we understand it, it's a lot easier to 165 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: make changes, and you actually don't have to do anything 166 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: at all. Sometimes just bringing it into awareness and understanding 167 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: that you are always going to be vulnerable to eating 168 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: all the cake because you were never allowed cake as 169 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: a child. And that's a simplistic example. But just that 170 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: knowing that that is old programming, you understand why it's there. 171 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: That was your mother's stuff, that was your grandmother's stuff, 172 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: that was your father's stuff, and then you can move 173 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: on from it. But as I said, if you yourself 174 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: are listening thinking, yes, I had very traumatic early experiences 175 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: with food and nutritional diets, I never seem to be 176 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: able to break the back of it. I don't understand 177 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: why I bin j I don't understand why I keep 178 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: doing things I shouldn't do. I would urge you, when 179 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: you've got some space and time to really think about 180 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: what your early experiences was and how they might be 181 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: programming your behaviors as an adult. Now, obviously, Leane, you 182 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: and I talk in the context of food, because in 183 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: our profession, food is the symptom. It's not the problem. 184 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: It's always the symptom of the other issue. But this 185 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: would be relevant for anything in our lives, you know, 186 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: relationship dynamics, all of those different things. But you'll be surprised, 187 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: you know. And I can't share too many examples because 188 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: I certainly don't want to breach my client's confidentiality, and 189 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: it is very sensitive issues. But all I'll say, some 190 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: of the stuff that's been brought up, I think, wow, 191 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's no wonder that this poor girl has 192 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: got such aversion. You know, like, for example, if someone 193 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: might have gone through fertility treatment and had to go 194 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: on very special diets or lose weight and there never 195 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: was successful in having a child, you can see how 196 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: that would be a very sensitive issue for that person. 197 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: And again that's a broad example, but yeah, some pretty 198 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: deep stuff comes up for people, and I think it's 199 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: certainly worth starting to reflect and think, actually, have I 200 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: got some food trauma that I do need some support 201 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: with to move through it? Because it's absolutely real that 202 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: early programming and beliefs we have about ourselves. You know, 203 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: they can form so young, four or five, six years 204 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: of age, and sometimes it's not until you bring it 205 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: to the surface that you realize how it's impacting your 206 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: behavior now and you're perhaps inability to reach the goals 207 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: that you have. 208 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you mentioned how it's sort of linked in 209 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 3: with our identity, and it's so true because the amount 210 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 3: of clients that have said to me, oh, I don't 211 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 3: think I can lose weight, it's my metabolism, or I'm 212 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: big boned, and it just becomes this belief that you're 213 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: big boned and that you can't lose weight. So you 214 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: just end up self sabotaging yourself every time. And that's 215 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: not really linked to food trauma, but I think a 216 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: lot of the food trauma does become part of your 217 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 3: identity and you do end up just believing that to 218 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: your core, even though it may not be true. 219 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: And then I also think it's a. 220 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: Really great time to just remind everyone of how a 221 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: lot of us needs support from a whole team. So 222 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: articians are wonderful, but as Susie said, unless they're particularly 223 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: specialized in psychology, which most aren't, it is really important 224 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: to be linked in with a great team. So a 225 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 3: great GP, a great psychologist, a great exercise physiologist or 226 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: personal trainer or physiotherapist like a women's health physio. 227 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: It's very uncommon. 228 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 3: Where you're just going to get great results at last 229 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: a lifetime from just one profession. I have a lot 230 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: of clients who are working with me as a dietician 231 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: but also an exercise physiologist, or they're seeing a women's 232 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: health physio but they're also linking in with their GP 233 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 3: and also seeing a psychologist. 234 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 2: So I think it is. 235 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: Really important that we remember that it is as part 236 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: of the healing journey. There may be many practitioners alongside 237 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 3: you on that journey. It's not like it just because 238 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 3: you've tried one thing and it didn't work, you shouldn't 239 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: ever do it again. It is really important to find 240 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 3: that I guess practitioner, a professional that you really do 241 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: del with and that really can help you move forward. 242 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 3: And just because you have a bit of a relapse, 243 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: or you know, you might have not binged in days 244 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: or weeks or years and then you have a bit 245 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: of a relapse, doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with you. 246 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: I think just bringing that little bit of grace into 247 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 3: it and being kinder to yourself, it's easier said than done, 248 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: can go a long way. Because some of these things 249 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: are so deep and they've been around for decades and decades, 250 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 3: and like Susie, I've worked with people that for thirty 251 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: years have had a terrible relationship with food, and the 252 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 3: minute they slip off the wagon or they slightly fall 253 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: of track in week three or four, they're beating themselves up, 254 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: but it doesn't really help anyone, and it certainly doesn't 255 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: help you get towards your goals. Because none of us 256 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: are perfect. We're always going to have times where we 257 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: deviate from the plan, and that's just life. We're just human. 258 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: But I think that it's understanding that a lot of 259 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: these traumas, or even if it's not a trauma, a 260 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: lot of these bad food habits, just for many of us, 261 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 3: can be deeply ingrained in decades and decades of behavior 262 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: and can take more than eight or twelve weeks or 263 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: a six week gym program to unravel. So I think 264 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 3: time and grace and the correct professionals and a team 265 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: around you goes a really long way. 266 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: It doesn't exist. 267 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't. That's a good example that time and time 268 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: again of trying to lose weight and never getting there. 269 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: If I experienced that, I'd be questioning, what is the 270 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: story that you tell yourself about that? And how is 271 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: that as program? Because the biggest predictor of future behavior 272 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: is past behavior. So for ten twenty thirty years you've 273 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: had no success in your goal of losing weight. There 274 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: could certainly be some underlying psych stuff that needs a 275 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: deep dive and then the other thing I see probably 276 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: is the most common symptom of it. If you as 277 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: someone who no matter where you are, you literally can't 278 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: stop eating. So when there is cake in the house 279 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: or you will literally eat the whole lot, like you 280 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: feel out of control around food. That is another warning 281 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: sign for me that there could be some underlying food 282 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: trauma that we need to look at. Now you know, 283 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: a qualified professional won't just launch in and say what 284 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: did your mother used to say to you about your diet? Like, 285 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: of course not. It's a very sensitive process and in 286 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: some cases it won't be until the tenths of twelve 287 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: sessions that I'll be able to broach it and develop 288 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: that trust with a client. In some other cases, I'll 289 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: bring it up far earlier because I feel like my 290 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: client is ready to deal with it. But the other 291 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: probably thing to be keeping in mind that a lot 292 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: of our listeners will still have parents who are alive, 293 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: which is fantastic, But if you know that, for example, 294 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: anything to do with your food and diet, if you 295 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: take it back to your mother, the comments and feedback 296 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: are negative. Again, that is going to be a heavily 297 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: programmed because no matter how strong you are psychologically, your 298 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: mother will heavily influence you until the day you die. 299 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: So again, if you have that really sensitive relationship with food, 300 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: if your mum still comments about your weight or your 301 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: weight loss attempts, or your failure to do so, or 302 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: even your successes. You know, I've got situations where clients 303 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: of mine have lost twenty killers and their mother doesn't 304 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: even acknowledge it. You know that, you know straight away 305 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: is assigned. There's some stuff going on there. And certainly 306 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: once your parents are getting to the eighties and nineties, 307 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: it's probably not the time to bring up at a 308 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: family meeting what they did with terms of food trauma. 309 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: But you know, definitely it's an understanding because then you 310 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: can see perhaps where they got it from. Because ultimately, 311 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: as human beings, Ley and we just passed it on, 312 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: don't we. And for these generations and our listeners, what 313 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: we want to do is and if we are a 314 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: mother of daughters in particular, you know, how do we 315 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: stop this cycle and teach better program habits because ultimately, 316 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, growing up in the forties fifty sixties, when 317 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: our parents would have been growing up, they're only a 318 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: victim of their own parents and the beliefs at that time, 319 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: which was came because food became more abundant and it 320 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: became more of an issue. Whereas you know, going back 321 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: to the depression and beyond far less people had weight issues. 322 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't enough food to go around. So you can 323 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: see how the cycles go. And I think that all 324 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: aids to the understanding of actually what's going on, and 325 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: sometimes when you understand what it's like for your own 326 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: parents too, but as parents ourselves, it's really insightful and 327 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: useful I think when it comes to teaching much better 328 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: less maladaptive strategies. So I think just some food for thought, 329 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: and I think we'll get some interesting DMS about this 330 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: because I think it will really resonate and I know 331 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: that if it's something in you that elicits emotion, if 332 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: you're feeling emotion listening to this a bit teary, there's 333 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: probably some stuff they're worth exploring. 334 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, like you said, with a qualified professional, 335 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: because I truly believe that the majority of parents out 336 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: there do the absolute best we can at the time 337 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: with what we've got. So I don't think that there 338 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: are any parents out there who are intentionally trying to 339 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: ruin their child's relationship with food or intentionally set upon 340 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 3: these behaviors that they carried with them through decades of time. 341 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: I just think we do the best we can at 342 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: the time with what we've got. So, as you said, Susie, 343 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: if your parents are elderly, if they're approaching in their 344 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: eighties or nineties, potentially it's not something you want to 345 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 3: bring up with them, but you do have to deal 346 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 3: with that yourself with somebody. You have to acknowledge it, 347 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 3: you have to accept it, and you have to just 348 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: let it go if you ever really truly do want 349 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 3: to move on and heal your own relationship. But it 350 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: does start with that acknowledgment, which we hope that some 351 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: of you may have gotten from this podcast today, and 352 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 3: then it's linking in with a great professional who can 353 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: truly help you heal. And it's going to take some time, 354 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: but you can certainly do that, and we've certainly had 355 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 3: a clients who have come out the other side with 356 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: great relationships with food. And it may take many months 357 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: or even many years, and that's okay as well, because 358 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 3: a lot of you have been carrying it around for many. 359 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: Decades as well. 360 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: All Right, well, onto our next segment, Susie, and we 361 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 3: have quite an alarming headline. You're ready to read it 362 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: out to you. One artificially sweetened soft drink? 363 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: Are you diet? 364 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 3: Soft drink a day increase diabetes risks by more than 365 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 3: a third? Pretty alarming. So let's break down this new 366 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 3: research study which has been all over social media lately 367 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 3: and people are kind of losing their marbles a little 368 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: bit about it. But it's an interesting study. So it's 369 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: a longitudell Australian study, which we don't get that big 370 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 3: studies Australia, and it was published in a quite reputable journal, 371 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: the Diabetes and Metabolism Journal, and it tracked over thirty 372 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: six thousand adults across fourteen years, so over a decade. 373 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: And these adults in the study were aged between forty 374 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 3: and seventy And essentially what the study found was that 375 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: drinking just one artificially sweetened soft drink per day was 376 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: associated with a thirty eight percent higher risk of developing 377 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 3: type two diabetes. And that's actually higher than the twenty 378 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: three percent increased risk link to traditional sugar sweetened soft drinks. 379 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: So if you have a soft drink a day, you're 380 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: twenty three percent more likely to develop type two diabetes. 381 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: But if you have one diet soft drink a day, 382 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 3: this study is found that you were thirty eight percent 383 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: higher risk of developing type two diabetes. So that's like 384 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: you look at that data and think, oh, my goodness, 385 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: that's very concerning. So of course, this is one of 386 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 3: the first studies that I don't have SUSI that's really 387 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 3: shown this link, particularly with diet soft drink, because for 388 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: many many i'd say years and decades, we sort of 389 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: thought that, you know, would be a lot healthier if 390 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 3: they swap from normal sugar soft drink to artificially sweetened 391 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: soft drinks. So it presents a whole range of public 392 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: health implications because I think people just thought it was 393 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: always the better choice. But I think a lot of 394 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 3: that is also people sort of assuming that people that 395 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: drink artificially or diet soft drinks are generally people who 396 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 3: live in larger bodies. But this study was really interesting 397 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: because it actually adjusted for that co founder, So it 398 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 3: actually took people's body weight in their BMI and adjusted that, 399 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: and it's still found that even after adjusting for body 400 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 3: weight and BMI, the risk was still a lot higher. 401 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 3: So it's very very interesting and presents its own challenges 402 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: because I'm certainly I'm happy if my clients are going 403 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: out that I don't want to drink alcohol, I'll say, 404 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: of course, you know, drink a diet coke. Or if 405 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: they feel like a little something not just water in 406 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 3: their diet, and I'll say, yeah, have a sugar sweeten, 407 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 3: you know, have a diet lemonade or something like that. 408 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 3: I'm the first to admit I like a I like 409 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 3: a diet lemonade occasionally. I'm not someone who has something 410 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 3: for lunch and dinner every day, but I do think that, 411 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: you know, it's in enjoyable and I certainly don't want 412 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 3: to be drinking fool sugar soft drinks. So I'm always 413 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 3: one that has thought that diet or artificially sweetened soft 414 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 3: drink work better than the fool sugar soft drink. So 415 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 3: it's a very interesting study. I hope that we'll see 416 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 3: more of these types of research and studies done in 417 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 3: the future. But I think that it's just it's a 418 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 3: moderation thing as well, isn't it Like if you're somebody 419 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: who's having one for lunch and one for dinner every day, 420 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 3: like a diet coke at lunch and a diet lemonade 421 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: at dinner every day. You may want to pay attention 422 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: and cut down the amount, but it is it is 423 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 3: about the amount in moderation. Like if you're just having 424 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 3: one a couple of times a week, or you know, 425 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: you go out to the public a Saturday night and 426 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 3: everyone's having a few beers and wines and you choose 427 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 3: a diet coke. I'm certainly going to say that that 428 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: is a better alternative to drinking alcohol if you don't 429 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 3: want to drink alcohol, So moderation is key. Of course, 430 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: whole Food's unsweetened cups of tea, soda, water, of course 431 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 3: they go into better choices. But I do think that 432 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 3: it's interesting, and I do think that we'll see more 433 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 3: of this in the future. 434 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: How do you feel about this. 435 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: I'm certainly not telling my clients to avoid all diet 436 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 3: soft drinks, but I do think the amount and the 437 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: frequency matters, doesn't it. 438 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: I think that interesting because it doesn't give a lot 439 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: of detail in these news headlines. But my gut feeling 440 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: with it would be I want you to think about 441 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: the kind of foods you're often consuming when you're having 442 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: diet soft drink as well, you know it's with a 443 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: meal deal at a fast food chain like I know 444 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: they've said they've controlled for diet, but I do wonder 445 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: if it naturally lends itself like you have it at 446 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: the pub, you have it at a service station, you 447 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: have it on road trips, you have it at fast 448 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: food joints like. I don't think there's that many people 449 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: buying a salad for lunch with a diet soft drink. 450 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: I think people who are buying a salad for lunch 451 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: are havingkom butcheral water, So I think it's food association. 452 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: And I also think that that very sweet substance drives 453 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: cravings for more sweet food. So my gut feel with 454 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: it working with clients would be if they're sweet food drinkers, 455 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: they're more likely to be in consuming it. But I 456 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: think you and I would both agree, and we're both 457 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: partial to a cheeky diet coke. It's not good for us. 458 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: The sweetness are not good for us. It is certainly 459 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: not good for us, which is why companies like Coca 460 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: Cola are phasing it out, and any kind of artificial 461 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: sweetenes is not good for us. The less of it 462 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: we have, the better, and I think that has to 463 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: be our message. And you know, we're just about to 464 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: release our new product guide with the sort of top 465 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: two hundred food products, and we've been quite strict and 466 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: gone back on our choices and said, right if ultimately, 467 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: if it's ultra process, we can't be mentioning it anymore. 468 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: We have to be strict on that. And I would 469 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: agree with the artificial sweetness as well. It's at the 470 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: point where we have to be very clear these are 471 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: not good for us. So I think there are so 472 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: many other options now, Like you go, there's the Aunt 473 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: Franklin sparkling waters with a bit of fruit through it. 474 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: It's all the komb Butcher's, it's all those nexper drinks. 475 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: What are the ones we get on the retreat, those 476 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 3: remedy the kombucher sotally remedy ones. 477 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many drinks that don't have it in. 478 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: I think that really. You know, sure, occasionally you love 479 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: a diet coke, but if there are other choices for 480 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: most of the time, So if you're a daily diet 481 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: soft drink user, I would be cutting back. And I 482 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: think there's plenty of better options, So I actually think 483 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: it's not that complicated. Now we have so many other options, 484 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: it's not completely difficult. 485 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: Term. 486 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: You could have an alcohol free wine if you want exactly. 487 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a huge range of back or free alternatives. 488 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 3: My friend I went to her party the other day. 489 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 3: It was her daughter's party, a bunch of three year 490 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 3: olds running around, and she had I can't remember the brand, 491 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: but it was like passion fruit flavored sparkling water and 492 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 3: it was delicious, and she also had alcohol and beer. 493 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: That's Mount Franklin. 494 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: It's really good, is it Mount Franklin. Yeah, it was delicious. 495 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good one. I like it too, one 496 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 3: hundred percent. There's so many good options. In our retreat, 497 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 3: we always put a little four pack of either the 498 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 3: Remedy Kombucha's or the sodaly ones with the prebodic in 499 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 3: there as well into the goodie bags for all of 500 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: our retreat attendees, so we love them. 501 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 2: They're a really great range too. 502 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 3: So there's just as Susie said, there's no real reason 503 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: or excuse to have an artificially sweetened soft drink. There's 504 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 3: so many naturally sweetened ones available. There's beautiful types of 505 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 3: soda waters, mineral waters, sparkling waters, lots of that, you know, 506 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: save it for the I don't really have an option, 507 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 3: like you know, diet cokes the only thing on the 508 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: menu besides a full sugar soft drink or alcohol. Sure, 509 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 3: that's okay, but as Susie said, if you're having it 510 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 3: every day, if you're having one a day with your lunch, 511 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: it's time to rethink that choice. Because this was a 512 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: very large study and it followed people for fourteen years, 513 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 3: and it did it just for some of the things 514 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 3: in there as well, like body weight and diet. So 515 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: I do think we need to sit up and pay attention. 516 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 3: And I certainly think we are probably going to be 517 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: seeing more and more of this research, you know, as 518 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 3: time goes on. 519 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, true, true, Now, Leanne, you found a little interesting 520 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: snack bar. 521 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: I have. I quite like these. 522 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: So if I saw it at the top it's at 523 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: the top of Willis, I realized because I was looking 524 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: for it and I thought, oh, it is in there. 525 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found it right on the bottom 526 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: of mines. Interesting. 527 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 3: So they don't obviously have the budget to pay for 528 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 3: the prime position at eye level like some of the 529 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 3: large brands do. 530 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that's how they and that we should listeners should know. 531 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: That's how it works in supermarkets. You pay for shelfs. 532 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: You pay for it. 533 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 3: Yep, you pay for that eyeline visibility. But if you're 534 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: someone like me who's six foot one, you know, we 535 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: can see quite moore. 536 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: I only see the bottom shelves in a. 537 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 3: Smaller package, in the bottom shelves. So this brand, I 538 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 3: haven't heard of this brand before, Susie. 539 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 2: It's good. 540 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 3: Fixate fix At Fixate natural fruit lemon coconut bars. They 541 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: also do. Off the top of my head, it was red. 542 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 3: I think it was like a cherry maybe a cherry 543 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 3: chocolate one as well. There was two flavors, so I've 544 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 3: got a five style health rating. There's no preservatives, which 545 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 3: I really like. There's no artificial you know, stuff in there, 546 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: no colors, no flavors. 547 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: It's all really natural ingredients. 548 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 3: It's a good source of fiber and it's basically just 549 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: cold pressed fruit and nuts, so I really like them. 550 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 3: They retail for six dollars at woolworst in a five pack, 551 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: so there's five little thirty five grand bars in there, 552 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: so not like it's not cheap. Let's be honest. But 553 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: you pay for quality, and this is what it comes 554 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 3: down to. You pay for better quality products. So if 555 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 3: a little bar or a snack bar is something that 556 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 3: you eat regularly, it is probably time to make that 557 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 3: investment if this is something that's going into your diet 558 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 3: multiple times a week. So I quite like these because 559 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 3: the only ingredients susy ad dates, rolled oats, chicken, root, fiber, cashews, pepitas, 560 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 3: sunflower seeds, coconut natural flavor, cheer seeds, lemon powder, and 561 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: lemon oil. 562 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: That's it. 563 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 3: So you literally could make that in your kitchen at home. 564 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 3: So it's a wonderful product. The ingredient list is very strong. 565 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: Allergens are gluten, soy and cashew, so unfortunately not okay 566 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: for our Celiac listeners because of the oats in there, 567 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 3: and nutritionally per thirty five gram bar, five hundred and 568 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 3: eighty kilodels, four point eight grams of protein, which is 569 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 3: very strong in a small bar, five point six grams 570 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 3: of fat and that's all the healthy bats coming from 571 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 3: the nuts and the seeds, with only one gram of 572 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 3: that being saturated, thirteen point eight grams of carb with 573 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 3: close to seven point eight grams of sugar and then 574 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: seven point five grams of dietary fiber, which is a 575 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 3: whopping amount, and it's also boosted up by the addition 576 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: of the chicory root fiber. So if you're someone with 577 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: a bit of a sensitive tummy and a bit of IBS, 578 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: you may want to be careful with these because sometimes 579 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 3: chicken root fiber can not be so great for sensitive tummies. 580 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: But for most people they're completely fine with it, and 581 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 3: only two milligrams of sodium, so that's all naturally occurring. 582 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: It's very basically non existent, so very strong nutritionally, very 583 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 3: strong macro and nutrient breakdown as well. 584 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: So I love them. 585 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: I give them a five stars as well. We don't 586 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 3: normally love the health direting, but time they have done 587 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 3: a really great job in creating a wonderful product, and 588 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: I hope that people go out. I hope people buy them, 589 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: I hope people enjoy them. This is obviously not sponsored, 590 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 3: but I do think that when these small brands create 591 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 3: better products, we need to be supporting them, or before 592 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 3: we know it, in three months time, they'll be off 593 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 3: the shelves and all of the ultra process bars will 594 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 3: we will be back unfortunately. 595 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just had a look at the company. They 596 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: do appear to be a small producer. And the other 597 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: couple of products, they've got what we would call ultra process, 598 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: kind of lower carb options, whereas this is a natural one, 599 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: the cherry coconut, which sounds very nice. I have to say, 600 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: it's got a couple of grams more sugar in it. 601 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: But have you eaten them? Because I want to know 602 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: do they taste good? 603 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 2: I bought them and David smashed them and he said 604 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 2: they were nice. 605 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: David smash them don't mean can eat. I didn't even 606 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 3: get one, not one out of the whole flightpack. We're 607 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: allowed to say yet that he's built your sauna. He 608 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 3: hasn't built it yet, so no, we don't give him 609 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 3: credit it. 610 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm coming in a couple of weeks, so I expect 611 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: that sauna to be there, so better get another box 612 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: of bars and smash it. 613 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: We should actually do it. 614 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 3: We should actually do a sauna episode because I'm loving 615 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: saunas lately. 616 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 2: Anyway, back to the fruit. 617 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: Bars, So Leanne's Leanne's getting a sauna. I'll just say 618 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: this because we're keen, you know. And about three of 619 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: my friends all said, oh, I'm thinking of getting a sauna, 620 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: and I said, I reckon, I might be able to 621 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: get your little discout code through Leanne, so Leanne if 622 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: we get a whole lot of nutrition. Couch listeners also 623 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: thinking about getting a barrel sauna. 624 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 3: Watch this space. We might have a code we can share. 625 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 3: You never know, yeap, I can reach out to a company. 626 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 3: I can work the magic exactly. 627 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: Tell the barrel sauna people it's hot, hot right now. 628 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: And David, you've got two weeks until I'm up, and 629 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: I expect a barrel sauna to be ready to my arrival, 630 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: no pressure. I haven't tasted them, so I don't know. 631 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: Do you think the kids would like them? You don't know, 632 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: you haven't tried that. 633 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 3: I think so, But I can't give it to my 634 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: kids because he's got Kashum. He's got a very severe 635 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 3: cashun Yeah, so if you've got an allergies in the family, 636 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 3: not your goer. 637 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: But otherwise I think, yeah, I think kids would like them. 638 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: I do. I think, particularly smaller kids because the size 639 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 3: I mean for your boys, they're growing. They burn so 640 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: much energy and might not even touch the sides for 641 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 3: you know, boys, probably ten and older, but I think 642 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: for smaller children they're a great little size. 643 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, great, awesome, Okay, very nice, All rightly, and we'll 644 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: for our last listener question, I'm going to hand it 645 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: over to you a little bit more so I know 646 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: you're a bit more across this at I. But the 647 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: listener question is around the use of creation and kidney health, 648 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: because of course, we did release a CREATI range at 649 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: the end of last year which has gone gangbusters as 650 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: more and more evidence emerges around the really powerful health 651 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: promoting and brain health promoting effects of creating, particularly for women, 652 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: we have seventy to eighty percent less still creating it's 653 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: really important for brain health, body composition, mood, it appears, 654 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: and sometimes we do get a listener question asking about 655 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 1: the impact on kidney health, and I think I'll let 656 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: you take over. But my first port of core would 657 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 1: be if you have kidney issues, it is imperative that 658 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: you consult with a medical professional first. Absolutely, and in 659 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 1: many cases, no, you won't be able to take it, 660 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: but you must. Anyone who is concerned or does have 661 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: an underlying medical condition should be checking. But in generally 662 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 1: and it is safe for most people. Yeah, the bottom 663 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: line is that is completely safe. So creating is the 664 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: most research nutritional supplement in the world, the most research 665 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: and the safest nutritional supplement in the world. There are 666 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: hundreds hundreds of studies with creatine looking at it from 667 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: a both of performance aspect but more recently the health 668 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: outcomes as well as Susie mentioned. So it is a 669 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: naturally occurring compound that's made in the liber end in 670 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: the kidneys, and we basically store it in our muscles 671 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: and in our brains to help with short term like 672 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: bursts of energy production essentially. But there is a myth 673 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: that just refuses to die that creating damages your kidneys, 674 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: and this myth has been going on for decades. Like 675 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: I said to my mum in law, my husband David 676 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: did quite high level rowing when he was at school, 677 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: and my mom in law said, yeah, the coach used 678 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: to make them supplement with creatine when they were thirteen, 679 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, it's not legal. And this was 680 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, like what thirty years ago or something, so 681 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: we would never have said under sixteen. 682 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well when they were quite young, but they 683 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 3: were rowing it, you know, like state national level, so 684 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 3: they were you know anyway, we wouldn't say that. We 685 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: definitely don't recommend supplements for children, particularly that young unless 686 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 3: it's got strong advice from a sports dietician. But this 687 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 3: is a myth that has just been around forever, and 688 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: it basically comes from the fact that creatine supplementations slightly 689 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 3: increases your blood level of what's called creatinine. So creatinine 690 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 3: is a breakdown product of creatine and it comes through 691 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: because it's like measured in your blood test and it's 692 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: a marker of kidney function. But the key point is here, 693 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: listeners that when people take creatine, the rise in creatinine 694 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 3: in the blood test is actually due to the creatine 695 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 3: supplement itself, not kidney damage. So it's basically like a 696 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 3: false red flag. It's not actually a problem in healthy people. 697 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 3: But the issue is because creatinine is used to calculate 698 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: what's called our EGFR, so it's our estimated glomular filtration rate. 699 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 3: It's a marker of like how well our kidneys are functioning. Essentially, 700 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 3: so creating users can often appear to have a lower 701 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 3: EEDFR on paper or through a blood test. And I 702 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: say this with respect, but a lot of doctors aren't 703 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 3: aware that this is happening. So a lot of doctors 704 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 3: aren't aware that creatine supplementation increases creatinine breakdown, which seems 705 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 3: to falsely reduce EDFI rate, and many doctors are seeing 706 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: this as quote unquote early kidney damage. But the reality 707 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 3: is that it's completely expected when you're supplementing with creatine, 708 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 3: and it's a very harmless effect or a byproduct of 709 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 3: creating use. So it's very common, it happens to most 710 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 3: of us. I recently had my blood test. My EDFI 711 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 3: was lower than the quote unquote standard or normal range, 712 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 3: and my doctor was like, what's happening. She's really good 713 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: and I was like, look, I'm supplementing with creatine. I 714 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 3: have been for like two years now. And she went 715 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 3: back to my blood test and she's like, oh, you're right, 716 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 3: but the lower EDFR has been stable. So what I 717 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 3: would say, if you have a doctor that is concerned 718 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 3: with your kidney function or that your EDFR is slightly lower, 719 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 3: request a test that doesn't use creatinine to measure your 720 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 3: kidney function. So there's a specific type of blood test 721 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 3: called a cysteten C blood test. Basically, what it does 722 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 3: is it measures your kidney function without using creatinine. So 723 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 3: it gives you a much more accurate indication of your 724 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 3: kidney function while you're supplementing with creating. And I can 725 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 3: pretty much I can't say that on the podcast David 726 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: or Kidney because he's a lawyer. I was gonna say, 727 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 3: I pretty much guarantee that it'll be fine, but don't 728 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 3: don't listen to that. But basically, if you have your 729 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: doctor that is worried about your kidney function because you've 730 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 3: been supplementing with creating, request assistanty blood test, send me 731 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 3: a message, send me a DM and I can send 732 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 3: you more about that blood test. But that is a 733 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 3: much more accurate indication of kidney function. And then once 734 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 3: the GP can see that your kidneys are actually functioning well, 735 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 3: they as well will have a better appreciation for that 736 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: as well. Because I've got a family member who's also 737 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 3: a family GP, and he was saying to me, all 738 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 3: of these Jim Brows are coming through with early kidney damage, 739 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 3: and I was explaining it to him. He went away 740 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 3: and he did some research and he came back and 741 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 3: he's like, you know, I have been requesting this additional 742 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 3: test and actually for all of my career, I've thought 743 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 3: that all of these Jim Brows had been doing early 744 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 3: kidney damage, but it's actually completely fine. So it was 745 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 3: a really interesting conversation to have. And I do think 746 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 3: that as creating becomes more and more popular and it 747 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 3: enters you know, quote unquote normal households, people who aren't 748 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 3: even exercising, they're using it for the brain benefits, for 749 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 3: the cognitive benefits. It is important that as health professionals, 750 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 3: we're all across this, but particularly as doctors, you know, 751 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 3: they're seeing this more and more. They need to be 752 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 3: requesting separate tests so that we're not all assuming that 753 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 3: everybody has early kidney damage. 754 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 2: Because the research is very very clear in. 755 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 3: Healthy individuals with normal kidney function, creating supplementation is completely 756 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 3: safe at the recommended dose of three to five grams 757 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 3: a day. So that's basically the key takeaway here. At 758 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 3: the right dose in healthy people, your kidneys will be 759 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 3: absolutely fine. And if your doctor's concern, just requests that 760 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 3: assistance C test and you'll get a much clear result 761 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 3: or a much clearer indication of how your kidneys are going. 762 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 3: So hopefully that clears it up for a lot of people. 763 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: Excellent thanks Ianne, very comprehensive. Thank you for listening to 764 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: the Nutrition Couch for another week. Please keep telling your 765 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: friends about us, and we've got a little surprise coming 766 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks about how this podcast 767 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: is going to be streamed. So watch this space and 768 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: have a great week, you guys. 769 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: Next week,