WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY -THE SUMMIT - CHARLOTTE 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.160 TV Reload, the podcast Last Weep Their Life. Hey, guys, 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:07.360 welcome back to TV Reload. I want to thank you 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.639 for clicking and downloading on today's episode with the winner 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.720 of channel Lines the Summit, which finished this week in 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:18.520 a nail binding and somewhat polarizing finale. In the last episode, 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.720 we saw an obstacle challenge for the final hiker's nerves, 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:26.000 plus a brutal sacrifice where it ended with an agonizing 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.600 decision for one hiker alone, proving the ascent to the 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.720 Summit was never going to be easy. And I have 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.680 all the behind the scenes goss I have to say, 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.640 I don't usually see as much negativity online for a 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.159 decision from a reality show, and I'm a little bit 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.320 disappointed that so many people have been saying that Charlotte 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.840 should have split the money. Evenly. Hey, that's just my opinion, 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:49.920 but it is a game, and I want to remind 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.360 people that we all don't know what we would have 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.760 done in that situation. I will talk about the highs 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.560 and lows from climbing the summit, from the conditions to 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.760 the hard decisions that choice not to split the money, 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.160 and what Charlotte will remember now that the experience is 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.640 behind her. We will unpack the trolls online and how 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.920 to deal with the comments section, with some insights into 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.360 who's been her biggest supporter after filming, and what Charlotte's 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:18.679 friendship looks like. With Simone and Matt, Charlotte will talk 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.399 about her disability and what she did to prepare for 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.280 the show, including what we didn't see turned out to 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.560 be a pretty big disadvantage. You will find out what 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.039 the host Jai is really like, and if those helicopters 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.160 are as menacing as they look. There's actually so much 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.840 to unpack with Charlotte, so sit back and relax as 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.760 we unpack the wonderful world of the Summit Australia. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.240 Hello, Hello, Hello. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.520 Hi, is this Charlotte. This is Charlotte God Hi. Sorry 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.280 we were having different connecting through to you, so I. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.560 Was like, hello, hello, at the top. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:54.080 Of the Summit. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.639 I'm at the top of the Summit. Actually it was live, 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.560 so just climbing down now I'm free. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.280 Congratulations on on the win. I mean you get to 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.240 walk away with the title, but the three of you 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.120 did so well in this competition. 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.320 Thank you. So much. It's so exciting to watch. I'm 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.160 just like, oh my god, I did that top. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.760 How do you feel after watching the show back, because 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:20.799 you know, it's really interesting. You could take part in 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.919 a show like this and have sort of an understanding 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.520 about how it all went down in real life, but 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.320 then when you watch it back on a show, it 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:29.800 probably can feel quite different. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.720 Of course, because you know, we were filmed twenty four seven, 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.760 so you know, forty eight hours is condensed into one episode. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.960 So obviously there's so much nuance that people miss, and 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.040 you know, the little intricacy of different relationships and dynamics 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.360 doesn't sort of come across sometimes, but then sometimes it does, 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.400 and so in that way, it's really interesting to see 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.400 sort of what has been chosen and you know, how 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:01.920 people come across in juxtapocision to how you experience them. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.120 So yeah, it's very interesting to watch. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.080 For me, have your opinions changed of any of the 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.320 people because you've watched the television narrative effort? 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.360 Not at all. My opinions have not changed about the 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:20.000 other competitors. I feel like everyone was themselves. I think 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.320 some people came across as sort of an amplified a 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:28.480 version of themselves. But in essence, I feel like everyone 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.040 was portrayed in a way that was true to who 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:31.440 they were. 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:33.920 You know, what's really interesting about you saying that was 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.080 that I did a reality show many years ago, and 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.280 there was like quite a few people who took the 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.840 editing to task. But it was interesting because everyone who 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.160 said that they were actually played exactly who they are 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.480 and exactly who ya and you know, it was interesting 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.680 that they might have had a bit of a disconnect 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.760 with who they are and how they come across to 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.680 people day to day, and maybe that's where the issue was, 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:57.520 you know what I mean. 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.360 Yeah, they're the problem. 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:03.800 I mean, it's easy once you've won these shows, right, so, 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.520 like you know, you can be quite reflective in a 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:07.119 different way. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.840 Yeah. Yeah, listen to me commenting from my high horse 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.120 of you know, winning a reality TV show and taking 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.120 home three hundred and thirty six thousand dollars for two weeks. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.560 That's a good paycheck and you deserved it because you know, 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.040 when I saw you joining the show and we all 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:26.320 got to see briefs on the different characterizations, I was like, well, 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.240 how are you going to go with this disability? Considering 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:33.279 that the Mountain is already an impossible feat for anybody. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.520 But I think that in itself helped me gravitate myself 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.680 to you. It was almost like I was rooting for 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.480 you right from the start. 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.880 Thank you. I mean, I shared your exact thoughts and I, 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.719 you know, through the casting process, I was like you, guys, sure, 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:51.800 like you sure you want me to do this? 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.800 Like, have you seen that I've got one arm? 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.680 Yeah? Have you do? You remember me Charlotte one arm 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:02.359 from birth? But no, I I too had no idea. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.560 You know. My game plan was just to try my 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.760 best for as long as I could, and it turned 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.279 out that that was the whole fourteen days. You know, 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:15.000 I'm under no illusion that I did this by myself. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.760 You know, I had so much support from so many contestants, 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.440 and you know, especially mattch Like, there's no way that 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.839 I would have got to the shop without him, you know, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.719 just one foot in front of the other. Through through 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:28.120 the tears and the fears. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:29.599 There was a lot of crying. 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:30.719 I had a lot of crying. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.200 I think they could change the name, you know, because 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.680 or at least be sponsored by Tissues, you know, because. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.560 Yeah, that would have been great. Three Tissues forever, forever. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.240 You don't want to ask you the big question at 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:42.960 this point because I want to get it out of 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.080 the way, and it is what everyone's talking about. How 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.680 did you go about making that decision on splitting the money, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.239 because the three of you did make it to the top, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.680 and you know, I think between the three of you, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.279 you all really deserve the money at that point. So 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.880 you had a big decision to make. And that's the 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:58.520 big question. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.479 That is the big question, And I mean it was 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.000 such a hard decision to make, and it was I mean, 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.919 it's so rare in life that we ever make big 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.760 decisions like this by ourselves. If you ever make a 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:15.160 big decision in your world, you talk to so many 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.560 people about it. Well, I know, I do. You know, 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.800 my partner and I hash it out, my mom and 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.680 I my dad and I my friends, and I like, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.279 you know, you talk things over and you take your time. 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.680 But I sort of had to make this choice in 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.440 an hour one hour by myself. I got to listen 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.440 to what the other contestants would do, but ultimately, you know, 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.840 I couldn't really ask any questions of anyone, and it 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.200 was really hard. And I guess the things that I considered, 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:46.040 you know, I was very lucky in that moment, and 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.760 Matt and I jumped on that bag at the same time, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.120 and for all the haters out there, the producers rewound 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.320 the cameras, watched it in slow over and over and 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.400 over again, and we hit it at the exact same time. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.320 I think sometimes can do that though, because like the 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.760 angle that they played it on, I think almost like 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.680 it kind of triggered everyone because do you know what 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:08.440 when you hit a bag at the same time and 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.280 you use the camera angle fit's to the left and 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.440 you're on the left, it will make it look like 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.480 it's you. And I'd already heard that. 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:15.800 You know. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.840 The result at the end was just neck and neck, 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.280 and so I think in some ways it's kind of 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.160 polarizing for us to sort of go but is it that, 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.320 you know, can we slow it down? You know? I 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.200 think that that just makes the show a little bit 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.640 more potent and maybe a little bit more dramatic. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.760 Yeah, of course. And you know, Matt and I had 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.400 a conversation. I was like, you want to open it 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.000 and he was like, nope, you open it. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.680 Shar like, well, here's a good he's a good guy. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.360 He's a good bloke. It's reflective of who he is. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.360 And I also like the fact that you were the 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:46.920 one that got the money in the end, and you 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.320 were the one with the decision, because it does seem 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.400 stupid of me to say this, but I mean, the 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.560 other two had been on television in experiences before that 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.400 had offered them sort of otherworldly or very limited opportunity 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.160 that everyone else would get, and this is kind of 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.440 your first. So they've probably had about one hundred thousand 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.400 dollars in their bank account for being on television in 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:10.000 the past, and this is your first time to have that. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:14.280 Oh, it cannot be overstated how out of my reach 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.040 three hundred thousand, out of my reach one hundred thousand 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.520 would be without this, you know, once in a lifetime opportunity, 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.560 Like I don't know if you know how much nurses 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.440 in your South Wales health get paid, but I'm at 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:32.079 senior nurse and I get less than fifty dollars an 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:33.760 hour to deliver baby. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.000 And you know, they like, you're defending that at this point. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:38.520 You know, I didn't mean to cut you off, but 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.640 you know what's really it is really powerful to say 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.040 yes and no at this point of our lives. And 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.280 I think that you gave them one hundred thousand dollars 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.240 each out of your money. And I defy and deny 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.760 anyone that ever watched the show to be in the 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.480 situation where they would dig into their bank account and 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.960 give someone that they've only known for two weeks one 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.120 hundred thousand dollars out of their bank account. It's unusual 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.719 to be a viewer on the couch watching the television 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.320 and saying what someone should do. Where I watched it 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.280 and thought, well, Shah just gave those people. She just 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.360 handed out two hundred thousand dollars out of her bank 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.720 account that you could have kept. That's a couple of 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.480 deposits on a house, you know what I mean? Like, 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.200 that's life changing, and you need to be proud of 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.400 yourself that you gave them that, you know, and I think. 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:23.520 Thank you so much. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:24.360 Own it. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:28.080 I'm trying to own it. I'm trying to I'm trying 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.800 to stand by it. But it's there's a lot of 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.800 hatred on the internet to that choice. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.360 Well shut that down, because let's get rid of those voices, 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.800 because at the end of the day, no one knows 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.840 and we know this about everything in life. No one 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.200 knows how you feel and what happened in that moment 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.480 unless they were there. And I'm sorry being at the 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:51.319 top of a mountain with low altitude, no friends, no family, 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.280 no telephone to call a friend, and you've made a 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:58.280 very generous decision that you could have just taken all 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.440 that money and you gave it to your friends. I 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:01.240 think it's powerful. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.040 Thank you so much. That is just so kind. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.200 And also, don't read the comments. CenTra Bullock says this 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.440 all the time, the comment section on the Internet. It's 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.800 a dangerous place to be after you've been on a 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.280 show like this because you can let other people's opinions 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.720 infiltrate the reality and then it starts to pull apart 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.520 and it starts to make you feel a certain way. 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.440 Shut it down. You don't need that in your life. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.640 You're a nurse, you're helping people every day, and you're 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:31.240 being on a reality show that you've won. Like, celebrate it. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.960 Thank you so much, that's so nice. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.680 Well, you know, a fifteen day deadline. I mean, this 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.680 show was never going to be easy. Let's just talk 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.920 about that. What was it like in comparison to what 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:43.880 you thought it was going to be like when you 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:45.320 decided to apply. 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.880 So I thought that my greatest challenges would be the 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.480 physical aspect, just how sort of physically grueling it would 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.240 be to high call day with a heavy pat and 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.640 how like how challenging the obstacles would be. But to 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.920 be honest, the hardest part for me was just being 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.240 around a group of people twenty four to seven. I 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.800 found that exhausting socially. 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.480 Not to mention the fact that people don't realize this, 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.400 but the type of people that are willing to go 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:19.360 on reality television so many extroverts, and that's not normal 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.920 group scenario in any situation. And so when you find 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.360 yourself with these extroverted type of people that would want 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.160 to go on a show that believe that they can 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.040 climb the summit and win, that's a type of personality. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.199 It's like an A grade personality type, and that can 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.240 be very daunting and sort of suffocating. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.520 You know, yeah, well that's exactly sort of how it felt. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.440 And it was very amplified after Lockie and Olympia left 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.920 because they were my sort of you know, meadow of tranquility, 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.240 and you know, they I feel like they just were 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.760 we were just like a little a little gang, and 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.679 we had so much fun and we laughed and you know, 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.079 we went to bed when the sun set, and it 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.040 was just it's so easy wish the two of them. 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.280 But yeah, for me, that was probably the most challenging 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:09.720 part was just navigating the personality, navigating the game, not 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.360 being able to have a break, like you just couldn't 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.360 tap out. You know, it was twenty four to seven, 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.640 and you know, it's so unlike any situation that we 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.280 would ever be in our normal lives, like when we 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.200 go camping or when you're on a holiday and you're 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.440 around people of time, they're your best friends or you know, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.760 your partner or your family and you can say to them, 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.280 I'm going to go and have some quiet time for you. Yeah, 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.560 but yeah, that was sort of impossible in this experience, 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:38.000 and I found that like truly exhausting because I love 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:38.840 being alone. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:43.200 Yeah. Well, I'm a highly extroverted introvert, so it's interesting 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.720 people would know me. And I remember if someone one 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.800 said to one of my housemates like ten years ago, 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.840 oh god, you know, must be flurry full on living 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.559 with Ben. But she was like, no, actually, it's really 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.480 interesting because I guess people whould only see him being 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.880 social would think that he is really loud. Where at home, 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.040 I'm actually quiet, you know, And that's because I require 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:09.040 an enormous amount of downtime to find the energy to 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.520 go out there and be like that socially. You know. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.120 I feel that I'm very similar to that, you know. 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:19.680 And the way that we sustain giving so much much 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.199 socially is because we can go home and retreat and recharge. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.200 But having that opportunity sort of taken away, yeah, I 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.520 found really really hard. And also just being so dirty. 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.160 I hated it. I hated so. 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.040 And I mean dirty, yes, But also the heightened reality 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:41.000 of cameras does something really unusual to someone, It's bizarre 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.800 and you can't explain that until it's on you. But 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.760 it's a heightened reality. It's an added pressure that I 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.520 don't think people realize because you become this sort of 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.679 self conscious. It's almost like you're giving yourself a new 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:54.720 narrative all the time, a new voice. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:59.200 It's so amplified. It's so amplified, and every decision that 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.600 you make, every that you make is so extreme, which 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:07.640 is so exhausting. Like for a week I. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.560 Was going to ask you that. I was going to say, 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.720 what kind of what kind of you know, aftermath, like 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.680 what do you do? Did you book yourself into like 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.280 a retreat? Like how do you recover? 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.440 I came home and my body was pretty battered as well, 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:26.240 Like we were just covered in bruises. I had, you know, 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:30.400 my poor feet were just destroyed. You know, I had 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:34.080 a like a nail bed infection because we were so 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.640 dirty all the time. It just wouldn't heal. So I 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.960 just came home and snuggled down and you know, swam 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.040 in the sea, ate lots of delicious food that I 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.520 wanted to eat, and just had quiet time for like 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.600 a week before I went back to work. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.640 You deserve it, That's all I can say. I guess 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.720 it would be remiss of me not to ask you. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.080 This season, it did sort of feel like every every 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:59.200 episode we got you on a bridge climb, a rope climb, 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.280 there was something every single day that you were having 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.680 to face of a challenge for you. What was the 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.520 hardest bridge or rope climb that you faced throughout filming? 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.200 I think in the beginning, So I think for me, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:16.360 it was such a mental gain, Like I really all 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:20.200 of those obstacles were so physically challenging, but in the 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:25.080 beginning I hadn't proved to myself that I was capable 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:30.080 of overcoming them, and so the obstacles that were earlier 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.360 in the series was so much harder because I was 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.200 so much more fearful and I had so much more doubt. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.240 Whereas as the show progressed and as the days progressed, 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.200 I was like, well, if I did that, I can 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.760 do this. It's just one foot in front of the other. 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.840 And you know, my brain had been in that high 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.480 stress situation just the day before, so my body was 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:56.200 sort of getting more used to it. Resistance, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.360 you're building up a sort of tolerance to these extremely 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.720 high stres situations and so and you know, you've got 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.080 the frame of reference, so you know, if I climbed 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.600 a waterfall yesterday, I can go on a flying fox today, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:16.160 like that kind of thing. So yeah, getting sensitized, desensitized 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.440 a little bit, but you know, it was really hard. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:23.400 The hiking I found surprisingly challenging as well, just because 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.200 a lot of the terrain that we were hiking was 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.920 very slippery, and so the way that you're supposed to 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.560 hike it. If you're doing like a fairly verticful crime 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.560 is you take big fistfuls of the long graph to 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.960 support you. But I couldn't really do that because I 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.920 needed my arm to sort of balance, and so I 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.640 just slipped and fell, slipped and fell, slipped and fell 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:48.760 all day hiking And yeah, so yeah, there. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.360 Were lots of right now that had a negative thought 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.360 about the way in which the show ended. Have a 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.040 think about that, Have a think about have a think 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.680 about that, because that is the stuff we didn't really 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.400 get to see, and it's an impossible thing to do. 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:05.280 That's a true sign to me of your mental strength 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:06.640 and your capability. 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.680 Yeah, it was a lot of problem solving. I mean, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.640 life with disability is problem solving because you know you're 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.439 having to apply a different, you know, approach to doing 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.400 things that everyone else does in a different way. But yeah, 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.640 I think the way that I sort of worked through 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.919 was looking at those obstacles problem solving them, trying to 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.120 work out the best way for me to do them, 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.840 and the hiking as well. It was all just problem 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:32.720 solving all day. 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.000 I can imagine I need to ask you about you 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.200 know who the hardest person was to eliminate to get 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.520 to the top. You know, you're facing big decisions, and 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:43.280 people were sent home, dreams were crushed. Looking back for 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.720 you personally, maybe not for everybody, but who was the 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.919 hardest person to eliminate or for you to see go? 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:54.840 Well, obviously Olympia and I was devast stated when Olympia left, 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.080 and it was on the back of Lockie leaving the 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:02.480 day before, and you know, Lucky in Olympia and I, 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.399 I feel like our friendship wasn't really represented on the 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.439 show like it was in life, and the three of 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.600 us had so much fun, and you know, we had 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:16.040 a really beautiful bond. And Lucky left and Olympia and 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:20.040 I were devastated. And then Olympia left and I felt 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.280 so lost, and it really shocked me that I was 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:27.359 so emotionally affected by her leaving. And I think at 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.040 the time, I really felt like he was the only 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.840 person that sort of didn't look at me like a 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.520 disability advocacy poster. 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.639 You know, like a real person. Well, she looked at 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.000 you like everybody else, Which is that thing that you want? 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.879 I can yeah, it's the thing that you want is 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.280 to be treated like everybody else. It's really interesting because 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.040 people be like, well, Ben, you don't have a disability, 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.880 how are you relating to this? But I remember in school, 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.240 because I was so obviously gay, you know, there were 0:18:56.280 --> 0:19:00.000 some people that would treat me differently in both sides 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.560 of it. There was homophobia towards it. But then people 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.760 talk to me like they were doing me a favor, 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.520 you know, to sort of pull me along. And all 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.320 I want, yeah, was to be like everybody else, you know, 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.600 I just wanted for people to treat me the same. 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.200 I kind of wanted to blend in. 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:19.359 You know, yeah, because there is no difference. And yeah, 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.159 and I just felt, you know, in the moment, I 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.479 felt like I was losing the last person that you know, 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:29.359 saw me for who I was, which is a just 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.919 the absolute break that I am. You know that we 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:32.360 all are. 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.359 What's going on inside our minds, what's going on inside 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:36.560 our minds is the same thing. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.159 You know what I mean, Like, yes, don't absolutely, I. 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.679 Don't know if people really see that. I'm running out 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.080 of time and I really need to ask you just 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:44.080 a few quick questions. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.400 Oh yeah, no, go run ahead, because. 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.080 Charlotte, I honestly, like I have been so excited to 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.520 talk to you today. Yeah, and I've been thinking about 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:52.600