Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
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Speaker 1: for clicking and downloading on today's episode with the winner
Speaker 1: of channel Lines the Summit, which finished this week in
Speaker 1: a nail binding and somewhat polarizing finale. In the last episode,
Speaker 1: we saw an obstacle challenge for the final hiker's nerves,
Speaker 1: plus a brutal sacrifice where it ended with an agonizing
Speaker 1: decision for one hiker alone, proving the ascent to the
Speaker 1: Summit was never going to be easy. And I have
Speaker 1: all the behind the scenes goss I have to say,
Speaker 1: I don't usually see as much negativity online for a
Speaker 1: decision from a reality show, and I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: disappointed that so many people have been saying that Charlotte
Speaker 1: should have split the money. Evenly. Hey, that's just my opinion,
Speaker 1: but it is a game, and I want to remind
Speaker 1: people that we all don't know what we would have
Speaker 1: done in that situation. I will talk about the highs
Speaker 1: and lows from climbing the summit, from the conditions to
Speaker 1: the hard decisions that choice not to split the money,
Speaker 1: and what Charlotte will remember now that the experience is
Speaker 1: behind her. We will unpack the trolls online and how
Speaker 1: to deal with the comments section, with some insights into
Speaker 1: who's been her biggest supporter after filming, and what Charlotte's
Speaker 1: friendship looks like. With Simone and Matt, Charlotte will talk
Speaker 1: about her disability and what she did to prepare for
Speaker 1: the show, including what we didn't see turned out to
Speaker 1: be a pretty big disadvantage. You will find out what
Speaker 1: the host Jai is really like, and if those helicopters
Speaker 1: are as menacing as they look. There's actually so much
Speaker 1: to unpack with Charlotte, so sit back and relax as
Speaker 1: we unpack the wonderful world of the Summit Australia.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1: Hi, is this Charlotte. This is Charlotte God Hi. Sorry
Speaker 1: we were having different connecting through to you, so I.
Speaker 2: Was like, hello, hello, at the top.
Speaker 1: Of the Summit.
Speaker 2: I'm at the top of the Summit. Actually it was live,
Speaker 2: so just climbing down now I'm free.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on on the win. I mean you get to
Speaker 1: walk away with the title, but the three of you
Speaker 1: did so well in this competition.
Speaker 2: Thank you. So much. It's so exciting to watch. I'm
Speaker 2: just like, oh my god, I did that top.
Speaker 1: How do you feel after watching the show back, because
Speaker 1: you know, it's really interesting. You could take part in
Speaker 1: a show like this and have sort of an understanding
Speaker 1: about how it all went down in real life, but
Speaker 1: then when you watch it back on a show, it
Speaker 1: probably can feel quite different.
Speaker 2: Of course, because you know, we were filmed twenty four seven,
Speaker 2: so you know, forty eight hours is condensed into one episode.
Speaker 2: So obviously there's so much nuance that people miss, and
Speaker 2: you know, the little intricacy of different relationships and dynamics
Speaker 2: doesn't sort of come across sometimes, but then sometimes it does,
Speaker 2: and so in that way, it's really interesting to see
Speaker 2: sort of what has been chosen and you know, how
Speaker 2: people come across in juxtapocision to how you experience them.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's very interesting to watch.
Speaker 1: For me, have your opinions changed of any of the
Speaker 1: people because you've watched the television narrative effort?
Speaker 2: Not at all. My opinions have not changed about the
Speaker 2: other competitors. I feel like everyone was themselves. I think
Speaker 2: some people came across as sort of an amplified a
Speaker 2: version of themselves. But in essence, I feel like everyone
Speaker 2: was portrayed in a way that was true to who
Speaker 2: they were.
Speaker 1: You know, what's really interesting about you saying that was
Speaker 1: that I did a reality show many years ago, and
Speaker 1: there was like quite a few people who took the
Speaker 1: editing to task. But it was interesting because everyone who
Speaker 1: said that they were actually played exactly who they are
Speaker 1: and exactly who ya and you know, it was interesting
Speaker 1: that they might have had a bit of a disconnect
Speaker 1: with who they are and how they come across to
Speaker 1: people day to day, and maybe that's where the issue was,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the problem.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy once you've won these shows, right, so,
Speaker 1: like you know, you can be quite reflective in a
Speaker 1: different way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, listen to me commenting from my high horse
Speaker 2: of you know, winning a reality TV show and taking
Speaker 2: home three hundred and thirty six thousand dollars for two weeks.
Speaker 1: That's a good paycheck and you deserved it because you know,
Speaker 1: when I saw you joining the show and we all
Speaker 1: got to see briefs on the different characterizations, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: how are you going to go with this disability? Considering
Speaker 1: that the Mountain is already an impossible feat for anybody.
Speaker 1: But I think that in itself helped me gravitate myself
Speaker 1: to you. It was almost like I was rooting for
Speaker 1: you right from the start.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I mean, I shared your exact thoughts and I,
Speaker 2: you know, through the casting process, I was like you, guys, sure,
Speaker 2: like you sure you want me to do this?
Speaker 1: Like, have you seen that I've got one arm?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Have you do? You remember me Charlotte one arm
Speaker 2: from birth? But no, I I too had no idea.
Speaker 2: You know. My game plan was just to try my
Speaker 2: best for as long as I could, and it turned
Speaker 2: out that that was the whole fourteen days. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm under no illusion that I did this by myself.
Speaker 2: You know, I had so much support from so many contestants,
Speaker 2: and you know, especially mattch Like, there's no way that
Speaker 2: I would have got to the shop without him, you know,
Speaker 2: just one foot in front of the other. Through through
Speaker 2: the tears and the fears.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of crying.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of crying.
Speaker 1: I think they could change the name, you know, because
Speaker 1: or at least be sponsored by Tissues, you know, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been great. Three Tissues forever, forever.
Speaker 1: You don't want to ask you the big question at
Speaker 1: this point because I want to get it out of
Speaker 1: the way, and it is what everyone's talking about. How
Speaker 1: did you go about making that decision on splitting the money,
Speaker 1: because the three of you did make it to the top,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think between the three of you,
Speaker 1: you all really deserve the money at that point. So
Speaker 1: you had a big decision to make. And that's the
Speaker 1: big question.
Speaker 2: That is the big question, And I mean it was
Speaker 2: such a hard decision to make, and it was I mean,
Speaker 2: it's so rare in life that we ever make big
Speaker 2: decisions like this by ourselves. If you ever make a
Speaker 2: big decision in your world, you talk to so many
Speaker 2: people about it. Well, I know, I do. You know,
Speaker 2: my partner and I hash it out, my mom and
Speaker 2: I my dad and I my friends, and I like,
Speaker 2: you know, you talk things over and you take your time.
Speaker 2: But I sort of had to make this choice in
Speaker 2: an hour one hour by myself. I got to listen
Speaker 2: to what the other contestants would do, but ultimately, you know,
Speaker 2: I couldn't really ask any questions of anyone, and it
Speaker 2: was really hard. And I guess the things that I considered,
Speaker 2: you know, I was very lucky in that moment, and
Speaker 2: Matt and I jumped on that bag at the same time,
Speaker 2: and for all the haters out there, the producers rewound
Speaker 2: the cameras, watched it in slow over and over and
Speaker 2: over again, and we hit it at the exact same time.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes can do that though, because like the
Speaker 1: angle that they played it on, I think almost like
Speaker 1: it kind of triggered everyone because do you know what
Speaker 1: when you hit a bag at the same time and
Speaker 1: you use the camera angle fit's to the left and
Speaker 1: you're on the left, it will make it look like
Speaker 1: it's you. And I'd already heard that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The result at the end was just neck and neck,
Speaker 1: and so I think in some ways it's kind of
Speaker 1: polarizing for us to sort of go but is it that,
Speaker 1: you know, can we slow it down? You know? I
Speaker 1: think that that just makes the show a little bit
Speaker 1: more potent and maybe a little bit more dramatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. And you know, Matt and I had
Speaker 2: a conversation. I was like, you want to open it
Speaker 2: and he was like, nope, you open it.
Speaker 1: Shar like, well, here's a good he's a good guy.
Speaker 2: He's a good bloke. It's reflective of who he is.
Speaker 1: And I also like the fact that you were the
Speaker 1: one that got the money in the end, and you
Speaker 1: were the one with the decision, because it does seem
Speaker 1: stupid of me to say this, but I mean, the
Speaker 1: other two had been on television in experiences before that
Speaker 1: had offered them sort of otherworldly or very limited opportunity
Speaker 1: that everyone else would get, and this is kind of
Speaker 1: your first. So they've probably had about one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in their bank account for being on television in
Speaker 1: the past, and this is your first time to have that.
Speaker 2: Oh, it cannot be overstated how out of my reach
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand, out of my reach one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: would be without this, you know, once in a lifetime opportunity,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know if you know how much nurses
Speaker 2: in your South Wales health get paid, but I'm at
Speaker 2: senior nurse and I get less than fifty dollars an
Speaker 2: hour to deliver baby.
Speaker 1: And you know, they like, you're defending that at this point.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't mean to cut you off, but
Speaker 1: you know what's really it is really powerful to say
Speaker 1: yes and no at this point of our lives. And
Speaker 1: I think that you gave them one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: each out of your money. And I defy and deny
Speaker 1: anyone that ever watched the show to be in the
Speaker 1: situation where they would dig into their bank account and
Speaker 1: give someone that they've only known for two weeks one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars out of their bank account. It's unusual
Speaker 1: to be a viewer on the couch watching the television
Speaker 1: and saying what someone should do. Where I watched it
Speaker 1: and thought, well, Shah just gave those people. She just
Speaker 1: handed out two hundred thousand dollars out of her bank
Speaker 1: account that you could have kept. That's a couple of
Speaker 1: deposits on a house, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: that's life changing, and you need to be proud of
Speaker 1: yourself that you gave them that, you know, and I think.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Own it.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to own it. I'm trying to I'm trying
Speaker 2: to stand by it. But it's there's a lot of
Speaker 2: hatred on the internet to that choice.
Speaker 1: Well shut that down, because let's get rid of those voices,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, no one knows
Speaker 1: and we know this about everything in life. No one
Speaker 1: knows how you feel and what happened in that moment
Speaker 1: unless they were there. And I'm sorry being at the
Speaker 1: top of a mountain with low altitude, no friends, no family,
Speaker 1: no telephone to call a friend, and you've made a
Speaker 1: very generous decision that you could have just taken all
Speaker 1: that money and you gave it to your friends. I
Speaker 1: think it's powerful.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That is just so kind.
Speaker 1: And also, don't read the comments. CenTra Bullock says this
Speaker 1: all the time, the comment section on the Internet. It's
Speaker 1: a dangerous place to be after you've been on a
Speaker 1: show like this because you can let other people's opinions
Speaker 1: infiltrate the reality and then it starts to pull apart
Speaker 1: and it starts to make you feel a certain way.
Speaker 1: Shut it down. You don't need that in your life.
Speaker 1: You're a nurse, you're helping people every day, and you're
Speaker 1: being on a reality show that you've won. Like, celebrate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, that's so nice.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, a fifteen day deadline. I mean, this
Speaker 1: show was never going to be easy. Let's just talk
Speaker 1: about that. What was it like in comparison to what
Speaker 1: you thought it was going to be like when you
Speaker 1: decided to apply.
Speaker 2: So I thought that my greatest challenges would be the
Speaker 2: physical aspect, just how sort of physically grueling it would
Speaker 2: be to high call day with a heavy pat and
Speaker 2: how like how challenging the obstacles would be. But to
Speaker 2: be honest, the hardest part for me was just being
Speaker 2: around a group of people twenty four to seven. I
Speaker 2: found that exhausting socially.
Speaker 1: Not to mention the fact that people don't realize this,
Speaker 1: but the type of people that are willing to go
Speaker 1: on reality television so many extroverts, and that's not normal
Speaker 1: group scenario in any situation. And so when you find
Speaker 1: yourself with these extroverted type of people that would want
Speaker 1: to go on a show that believe that they can
Speaker 1: climb the summit and win, that's a type of personality.
Speaker 1: It's like an A grade personality type, and that can
Speaker 1: be very daunting and sort of suffocating.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, well that's exactly sort of how it felt.
Speaker 2: And it was very amplified after Lockie and Olympia left
Speaker 2: because they were my sort of you know, meadow of tranquility,
Speaker 2: and you know, they I feel like they just were
Speaker 2: we were just like a little a little gang, and
Speaker 2: we had so much fun and we laughed and you know,
Speaker 2: we went to bed when the sun set, and it
Speaker 2: was just it's so easy wish the two of them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, for me, that was probably the most challenging
Speaker 2: part was just navigating the personality, navigating the game, not
Speaker 2: being able to have a break, like you just couldn't
Speaker 2: tap out. You know, it was twenty four to seven,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's so unlike any situation that we
Speaker 2: would ever be in our normal lives, like when we
Speaker 2: go camping or when you're on a holiday and you're
Speaker 2: around people of time, they're your best friends or you know,
Speaker 2: your partner or your family and you can say to them,
Speaker 2: I'm going to go and have some quiet time for you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that was sort of impossible in this experience,
Speaker 2: and I found that like truly exhausting because I love
Speaker 2: being alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm a highly extroverted introvert, so it's interesting
Speaker 1: people would know me. And I remember if someone one
Speaker 1: said to one of my housemates like ten years ago,
Speaker 1: oh god, you know, must be flurry full on living
Speaker 1: with Ben. But she was like, no, actually, it's really
Speaker 1: interesting because I guess people whould only see him being
Speaker 1: social would think that he is really loud. Where at home,
Speaker 1: I'm actually quiet, you know, And that's because I require
Speaker 1: an enormous amount of downtime to find the energy to
Speaker 1: go out there and be like that socially. You know.
Speaker 2: I feel that I'm very similar to that, you know.
Speaker 2: And the way that we sustain giving so much much
Speaker 2: socially is because we can go home and retreat and recharge.
Speaker 2: But having that opportunity sort of taken away, yeah, I
Speaker 2: found really really hard. And also just being so dirty.
Speaker 2: I hated it. I hated so.
Speaker 1: And I mean dirty, yes, But also the heightened reality
Speaker 1: of cameras does something really unusual to someone, It's bizarre
Speaker 1: and you can't explain that until it's on you. But
Speaker 1: it's a heightened reality. It's an added pressure that I
Speaker 1: don't think people realize because you become this sort of
Speaker 1: self conscious. It's almost like you're giving yourself a new
Speaker 1: narrative all the time, a new voice.
Speaker 2: It's so amplified. It's so amplified, and every decision that
Speaker 2: you make, every that you make is so extreme, which
Speaker 2: is so exhausting. Like for a week I.
Speaker 1: Was going to ask you that. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: what kind of what kind of you know, aftermath, like
Speaker 1: what do you do? Did you book yourself into like
Speaker 1: a retreat? Like how do you recover?
Speaker 2: I came home and my body was pretty battered as well,
Speaker 2: Like we were just covered in bruises. I had, you know,
Speaker 2: my poor feet were just destroyed. You know, I had
Speaker 2: a like a nail bed infection because we were so
Speaker 2: dirty all the time. It just wouldn't heal. So I
Speaker 2: just came home and snuggled down and you know, swam
Speaker 2: in the sea, ate lots of delicious food that I
Speaker 2: wanted to eat, and just had quiet time for like
Speaker 2: a week before I went back to work.
Speaker 1: You deserve it, That's all I can say. I guess
Speaker 1: it would be remiss of me not to ask you.
Speaker 1: This season, it did sort of feel like every every
Speaker 1: episode we got you on a bridge climb, a rope climb,
Speaker 1: there was something every single day that you were having
Speaker 1: to face of a challenge for you. What was the
Speaker 1: hardest bridge or rope climb that you faced throughout filming?
Speaker 2: I think in the beginning, So I think for me,
Speaker 2: it was such a mental gain, Like I really all
Speaker 2: of those obstacles were so physically challenging, but in the
Speaker 2: beginning I hadn't proved to myself that I was capable
Speaker 2: of overcoming them, and so the obstacles that were earlier
Speaker 2: in the series was so much harder because I was
Speaker 2: so much more fearful and I had so much more doubt.
Speaker 2: Whereas as the show progressed and as the days progressed,
Speaker 2: I was like, well, if I did that, I can
Speaker 2: do this. It's just one foot in front of the other.
Speaker 2: And you know, my brain had been in that high
Speaker 2: stress situation just the day before, so my body was
Speaker 2: sort of getting more used to it. Resistance, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're building up a sort of tolerance to these extremely
Speaker 2: high stres situations and so and you know, you've got
Speaker 2: the frame of reference, so you know, if I climbed
Speaker 2: a waterfall yesterday, I can go on a flying fox today,
Speaker 2: like that kind of thing. So yeah, getting sensitized, desensitized
Speaker 2: a little bit, but you know, it was really hard.
Speaker 2: The hiking I found surprisingly challenging as well, just because
Speaker 2: a lot of the terrain that we were hiking was
Speaker 2: very slippery, and so the way that you're supposed to
Speaker 2: hike it. If you're doing like a fairly verticful crime
Speaker 2: is you take big fistfuls of the long graph to
Speaker 2: support you. But I couldn't really do that because I
Speaker 2: needed my arm to sort of balance, and so I
Speaker 2: just slipped and fell, slipped and fell, slipped and fell
Speaker 2: all day hiking And yeah, so yeah, there.
Speaker 1: Were lots of right now that had a negative thought
Speaker 1: about the way in which the show ended. Have a
Speaker 1: think about that, Have a think about have a think
Speaker 1: about that, because that is the stuff we didn't really
Speaker 1: get to see, and it's an impossible thing to do.
Speaker 1: That's a true sign to me of your mental strength
Speaker 1: and your capability.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of problem solving. I mean,
Speaker 2: life with disability is problem solving because you know you're
Speaker 2: having to apply a different, you know, approach to doing
Speaker 2: things that everyone else does in a different way. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think the way that I sort of worked through
Speaker 2: was looking at those obstacles problem solving them, trying to
Speaker 2: work out the best way for me to do them,
Speaker 2: and the hiking as well. It was all just problem
Speaker 2: solving all day.
Speaker 1: I can imagine I need to ask you about you
Speaker 1: know who the hardest person was to eliminate to get
Speaker 1: to the top. You know, you're facing big decisions, and
Speaker 1: people were sent home, dreams were crushed. Looking back for
Speaker 1: you personally, maybe not for everybody, but who was the
Speaker 1: hardest person to eliminate or for you to see go?
Speaker 2: Well, obviously Olympia and I was devast stated when Olympia left,
Speaker 2: and it was on the back of Lockie leaving the
Speaker 2: day before, and you know, Lucky in Olympia and I,
Speaker 2: I feel like our friendship wasn't really represented on the
Speaker 2: show like it was in life, and the three of
Speaker 2: us had so much fun, and you know, we had
Speaker 2: a really beautiful bond. And Lucky left and Olympia and
Speaker 2: I were devastated. And then Olympia left and I felt
Speaker 2: so lost, and it really shocked me that I was
Speaker 2: so emotionally affected by her leaving. And I think at
Speaker 2: the time, I really felt like he was the only
Speaker 2: person that sort of didn't look at me like a
Speaker 2: disability advocacy poster.
Speaker 1: You know, like a real person. Well, she looked at
Speaker 1: you like everybody else, Which is that thing that you want?
Speaker 1: I can yeah, it's the thing that you want is
Speaker 1: to be treated like everybody else. It's really interesting because
Speaker 1: people be like, well, Ben, you don't have a disability,
Speaker 1: how are you relating to this? But I remember in school,
Speaker 1: because I was so obviously gay, you know, there were
Speaker 1: some people that would treat me differently in both sides
Speaker 1: of it. There was homophobia towards it. But then people
Speaker 1: talk to me like they were doing me a favor,
Speaker 1: you know, to sort of pull me along. And all
Speaker 1: I want, yeah, was to be like everybody else, you know,
Speaker 1: I just wanted for people to treat me the same.
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to blend in.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, because there is no difference. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and I just felt, you know, in the moment, I
Speaker 2: felt like I was losing the last person that you know,
Speaker 2: saw me for who I was, which is a just
Speaker 2: the absolute break that I am. You know that we
Speaker 2: all are.
Speaker 1: What's going on inside our minds, what's going on inside
Speaker 1: our minds is the same thing.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like, yes, don't absolutely, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know if people really see that. I'm running out
Speaker 1: of time and I really need to ask you just
Speaker 1: a few quick questions.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, go run ahead, because.
Speaker 1: Charlotte, I honestly, like I have been so excited to
Speaker 1: talk to you today. Yeah, and I've been thinking about
Speaker 1: all the things that I could talk to you, and
Speaker 1: I could talk to you all day, let me.
Speaker 2: Tell you, and Black Lives it's been my favorite interview
Speaker 2: of the day. Honestly, some of them have been like
Speaker 2: pulling to.
Speaker 1: No. I just I just feel so I love the show,
Speaker 1: and I think that's that's important when you're talking to someone.
Speaker 1: But I also just think you were fantastic and I
Speaker 1: love and an ending that we don't know, I think
Speaker 1: that that's also something really important to me. Like I
Speaker 1: don't know if it just ended, you know, in a
Speaker 1: way that was predictable, I think I wouldn't have enjoyed
Speaker 1: this series as much. Where you've given us something, you know,
Speaker 1: given us something to bite into, which I think is great.
Speaker 1: But you know, Jay, who's the you know, he's like
Speaker 1: the host of the show, but he's quite menacing, you know,
Speaker 1: when he's sitting around and he meets you guys. It
Speaker 1: was it quite comical at times to listen to his
Speaker 1: taunts because when I was watching it on the show,
Speaker 1: like sometimes it's just he was like very dramatic and
Speaker 1: what he was saying, and I kind of whether or
Speaker 1: not I would laugh at that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I think that when you're in it, you're so in it,
Speaker 2: and so his presence is so meaningful because you know,
Speaker 2: when he's around, things aren't good, like he doesn't bring
Speaker 2: good tidings. So I think for that reason, and we
Speaker 2: took him really seriously because he was the lens through
Speaker 2: which we understood the game, even though from the outside
Speaker 2: it might seem comical, like when you're in it, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's the boss of you kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you kind of have to play along. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can see that. I remember people sometimes didn't understand when
Speaker 1: I did Big Brother that I would be scared by
Speaker 1: a Big Brother and it was funny. They would think
Speaker 1: that was really strange. But when you're in it and
Speaker 1: you've committed to the idea of the show, your reality
Speaker 1: has become your reality. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: If that makes any sense at all?
Speaker 2: Like people, No, it completely does, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And then you're frightened, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: other people would be like, oh, because they can go
Speaker 1: back into the kitchen and get themselves a cup of tea,
Speaker 1: they can turn the TV off and get on with
Speaker 1: their day. But when you're in it, and you can't
Speaker 1: get out when you're in it.
Speaker 2: It's your life, it's your reality.
Speaker 1: What about these helicopters, you know, the mountains keepers? Are
Speaker 1: they as scary as they look? Because I'd be frightened
Speaker 1: of those helicopters. It was once in a helicopter fir
Speaker 1: a sh show, and I felt nauseous every time I'd
Speaker 1: hear the propellers start. So I was curious about the participants'
Speaker 1: reactions to these helicopters.
Speaker 2: No, they it's in a similar vein to sort of
Speaker 2: the presence of Jai. This loud, looming, shiny, black, zippy
Speaker 2: helicopter was also really scary because number one, I'm not
Speaker 2: a writer, I thought, and I'm kind of low center
Speaker 2: of gravity, like running not my strong suit. And if
Speaker 2: the helicopters were around, you knew that something that hasn't
Speaker 2: going to happen and you're going to have to run
Speaker 2: for something. So they did feel really threatening, and they're
Speaker 2: a huge part of the game.
Speaker 1: It's like the Yah dogs, you know, remember that psychological
Speaker 1: thing where yeah, absolutely so. Then after all you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, your brain is conditioned into saying, okay, I
Speaker 1: can hear those helicopters happening, and the last three times
Speaker 1: this happened it was not good news.
Speaker 2: Not good news. No, it's never good news.
Speaker 1: Would you give to anyone that would dare to do
Speaker 1: this show? You know, this is a show that was
Speaker 1: first happened, I believe here in Australia, and now it's
Speaker 1: going to be seen overseas. They're going to have their
Speaker 1: own versions of it. I'm sure people are going to
Speaker 1: be listening to this podcast, someone like yourself who's just
Speaker 1: been cast and is looking for information on how they
Speaker 1: can do it. You have advice for them.
Speaker 2: My advice would be that it is a social game,
Speaker 2: so sharpen your social tools because no matter how strong
Speaker 2: you are, if you don't have good relationships and good bonds,
Speaker 2: you're not going to win.
Speaker 1: You know, interesting that you say that, what's the relationship like?
Speaker 1: Then with Simona Matt, what's your relationship like? After the show?
Speaker 2: I've spoken to Matt heat He has been an absolute legend.
Speaker 2: You know. He was defensive of me and my choice
Speaker 2: till the end. You know, he yeah, and he warned me,
Speaker 2: he was like, this isn't my first rodeo shak. I
Speaker 2: think there might be some backlash, Yeah, backlash for the
Speaker 2: last episode. Just be prepared. Don't read the comments. And
Speaker 2: I was like whatever, and he was right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't read the comments. I remember once I didn't
Speaker 1: read the comments for a few months, and then I
Speaker 1: just was on a weekend away with a group of
Speaker 1: people who all went to bed early, and I had
Speaker 1: a bottle of wine there and I drank this bottle
Speaker 1: of wine while reading the comments on a forum and
Speaker 1: I just and now you know, I have a podcast.
Speaker 1: This is episode four hundred and ten. I'm talking to
Speaker 1: people from reality shows. And it's the one piece of
Speaker 1: advice that you know, it's kind of addictive in a way,
Speaker 1: you know, like as much as I want to do,
Speaker 1: isn't it? Yes, it is interesting. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a scratchy you know what I mean, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: like a gamble. You want to keep reading because like
Speaker 1: one of the comments can be positive and then another
Speaker 1: one can be negative, and you become addicted to the
Speaker 1: highs and the lows and the dopamine hit of something.
Speaker 1: And so what I've learned is it's just as important
Speaker 1: not to read the positive comment as it is to
Speaker 1: take on board the negative because we don't know who
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 2: Absolutely I'm not engaging. I'm not engaging.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy with that. I have to let you go.
Speaker 1: I had a million questions to ask you. I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll run into you in my life it
Speaker 1: often happens after something like this, I somehow ridiculously walk
Speaker 1: into it. But as four hundred and ten episodes, I
Speaker 1: have to ask you, what is something from behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: something that we maybe didn't get a chance to see?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's something from behind the scenes. I mean we
Speaker 2: were film twenty four to seven, so there wasn't really
Speaker 2: any behind the scenes. Like the only time that we
Speaker 2: were not with each other is when we were taken
Speaker 2: aside for our video one on one interviews. Wow, I
Speaker 2: mean there was no breaks from the cameras ever. But
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, maybe things that didn't make it,
Speaker 2: you know, onto the interview episodes, just how much fun
Speaker 2: Olympia and Lucky and I had, and you know, after
Speaker 2: they left, how much fun I had, Tay and Matt
Speaker 2: and we just laughed so much. And you know, there
Speaker 2: was a lot of lightness that didn't make it on
Speaker 2: the show because I guess it's boring. Guest. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: building an intensity, and you know, Matt was sort of
Speaker 2: really came across as a strategy mastermind, which he is,
Speaker 2: but he's also very funny and like entertaining and clever
Speaker 2: and you know, an absolute clown. So sort of that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, that social lightness I think didn't make
Speaker 2: it because we all had a lot of fun as
Speaker 2: well while we were while we were hiking and while
Speaker 2: we were waiting for each other on the other side
Speaker 2: of these obstacles and that kind of thing. And you know,
Speaker 2: you have this shared intimacy because you've spent so much
Speaker 2: time together in these ridiculously challenging conditions. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess a lot of the lightness and the joy I
Speaker 2: think didn't make it into the episodes, given how much
Speaker 2: of that there was.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, that makes perfect sense. And you
Speaker 1: know what they are the things. They are the jewels
Speaker 1: to these sorts of poes. They are the memories that
Speaker 1: you get to have that no one else has, hang
Speaker 1: on to the stuff that meant something to you. But
Speaker 1: I have to let you go. But can I just say, Shark,
Speaker 1: I am so excited about you spending this money. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited about your journey and how this show is
Speaker 1: going to change your life. Thank you for signing up
Speaker 1: and doing it. And oh, thank you your generosity today
Speaker 1: talking to me.
Speaker 2: I love it. Oh, thank you so much. I've really
Speaker 2: enjoyed chatting and you've given me some really beautiful little
Speaker 2: pearls of advice, and yeah, I really appreciate it, so
Speaker 2: thank you so much,