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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Matt Paul

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Speaker 1: pops the question in Palm Cove Sky, Wheatley's public falling

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Speaker 1: out with her business partner Tammy hambro throws shade at

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Speaker 1: her baby daddy's and Simone Anderson's very close relationship with

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Speaker 1: her mother in law. But first, there's already trouble in

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Speaker 1: Paradise between Veruca Salt and her new husband. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't say I'm completely shocked about this update. The

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Speaker 1: pair got married after knowing each other for fourteen days

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Speaker 1: in Vegas, so I feel like it was only a

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Speaker 1: matter of time before we started seeing cracks in this relationship. Well,

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Speaker 1: he so knew that. As followers, we don't even know

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Speaker 1: his name. He goes by the handle Digy Premium, so

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Speaker 1: we are going to refer to him as Digi when

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Speaker 1: we talk about him. Poor guy. I think he just

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Speaker 1: needs to put his name out there for once and

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Speaker 1: for all so we know what to call him. Well,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people must have gone on to follow him,

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Speaker 1: because people have been sending in the fact that he

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Speaker 1: is making a plea to Varuka's followers to pass on

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Speaker 1: a message to her. So it turns out that Veruka

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Speaker 1: has already blocked him. So he wrote on his Instagram stories,

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Speaker 1: y'all tell Varuka unblock me and I'm sorry, with two

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Speaker 1: sad faces and a broken heart emoji. He added go

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Speaker 1: comment on her posts, so it sounds like he's done something.

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Speaker 1: Aside from the fact that this would obviously be upsetting

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Speaker 1: it for Vruka, the silver lining is this is fantastic

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Speaker 1: TikTok content for her. I mean, all of the videos

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Speaker 1: of her talking about her wedding have gone completely viral.

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Speaker 1: They have millions of views, and everyone was saying, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, we can't wait for you to drop the

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Speaker 1: story of when it all goes tits up. Well, it

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Speaker 1: kind of makes Tammy hamber On Matzkowski's marriage not look

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Speaker 1: so bad. I mean, they were together for at least

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Speaker 1: what four or five months? I think it was seven

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Speaker 1: in the end. That seems to be the magical number.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that how long Olivia Rodgers and Justin McKeon were

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Speaker 1: together for. I think people probably think, okay, if I

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Speaker 1: make it to six months. It doesn't look as bad

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Speaker 1: if I call things off. God, that's a sad milestone

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Speaker 1: to be holding out to hit. I just hope that

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Speaker 1: whatever has happened, Varuka tells us very shortly she will.

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Speaker 1: I think this will be an evolving story which we'll

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Speaker 1: be keeping our listeners across.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I'm Matt Paul, former Ironman Champion.

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Speaker 1: Former iron Man Matt Paul has popped the question to

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Speaker 1: Analie oatweigh Whilst on a family vacation to Palm Cove.

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Speaker 1: Matt got down on one knee on a Palm Line

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Speaker 1: beach alongside their six month old son, Parker, and his

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Speaker 1: three year old daughter Posey, who he shares with his

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Speaker 1: ex fiance, Tammy hembro God, those pool jeans are strong.

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Speaker 1: Posey and Parker literally look like twins. They are so

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Speaker 1: adorable they are. And I think it's a really nice

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Speaker 1: touch that he proposed in front of their two kids.

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Speaker 1: Not to compare engagements, but he actually did the same

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Speaker 1: thing when he proposed to Tammy Hembro. So that took

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Speaker 1: place on a boat and he had her two kids,

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Speaker 1: Wolf and Saskia there, and I think Wolf held up

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Speaker 1: a little sign. They both did actually, if you want

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Speaker 1: to be really specific. Now, they shared the announcement on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and Matt wrote, let's plan a wedding, missus Paul.

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Speaker 1: I found that interesting because obviously he put up the

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Speaker 1: post and it was one of those collaborative posts, but

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Speaker 1: it seemed like he was very much driving the social

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Speaker 1: media around it. Well, probably because he's got the bigger following.

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Speaker 1: For those who don't know, Annalise actually works as a

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Speaker 1: nurse and she subsequently has got a bit of a

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Speaker 1: following off the back of Matt Paul and his connection

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Speaker 1: with Tammy Hembro. I suppose essentially, I mean to be

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Speaker 1: fair in Matt Paul's own right, he is an iron man,

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Speaker 1: but I think he's had a lot more eyes on

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Speaker 1: him since his connection with Tammy. Now we've got to

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Speaker 1: get into the ring, because it was quite a unique

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Speaker 1: looking ring. It was made by jeweler Son del Dole,

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Speaker 1: which is a bestoke studio in New South Wales. I

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Speaker 1: am going to do my best to describe this ring.

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Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure what the actual stone

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Speaker 1: is because diamond well, I wasn't sure. I thought maybe

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Speaker 1: it could have been a different stone. Whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: It is the shape of a pair and it's flipped

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Speaker 1: on the side and it is then surrounded by a

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Speaker 1: chunky gold band. It's difficult not to talk about this

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Speaker 1: ring without comparing it to the one Matt gave Tammy

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Speaker 1: Hembro and I feel bad comparing them, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you do propose to Australia's biggest influencer, that moment

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Speaker 1: is going to be burnt in a lot of people's minds.

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Speaker 1: And all I could think about was, oh, I preferred

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Speaker 1: Tammy's ring, like she had this beautiful, massive oval diamond

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Speaker 1: surrounded by smaller diamonds, so that a dream engagement ring.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The unfortunate thing is her engagement ring from Matt Paul

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Speaker 1: was probably one of my favorite influencer rings ever. That

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Speaker 1: being said, this ring that he created for Annalise was

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Speaker 1: very sentimental and I think that it was her dream ring.

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Speaker 1: Now underneath the post, the jeweler congratulated the couple and

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Speaker 1: said that it was an honor to craft her ring,

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Speaker 1: and Matt replied reiterating that it was Analise's dream ring

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Speaker 1: and that inside the ring are both Posey and Parker's birthstones,

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Speaker 1: which is a very special touch, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: particularly sweet to see the relationship that Analise has with Posey.

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Speaker 1: Obviously she sees her as her own daughter. Now, the

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Speaker 1: ring divided opinions on social media. One person went as

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Speaker 1: far as to say it was a complete disappointment, which

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Speaker 1: I thought was pretty harsh, Like, just have your thoughts privately,

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Speaker 1: but you don't have to voice them on the posts. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: one of Analisa's friends waiting in the comment section, and

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Speaker 1: they revealed that, as you said, Kate, Analise is actually

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Speaker 1: a nurse and because the ring is super flat, it

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Speaker 1: means that she can wear it during her shifts. She

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Speaker 1: also added that Matt obviously took that into consideration when

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Speaker 1: he got it custom made for her. I mean that

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Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense because you see these women

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Speaker 1: like Molly May and Tammy Hembro walking around with these

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Speaker 1: absolute massive rocks on their fingers, and I always think

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Speaker 1: how practical really is that. I mean, I often take

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Speaker 1: hairdresser saying to me, don't get a ring that has

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Speaker 1: diamonds around the band. Because you're just going to get

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Speaker 1: changing appies. I actually did op for a wedding band

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Speaker 1: with diamonds around it, but I actually haven't fallen into

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Speaker 1: that problem yet. Yeah, both my wedding bed and engagement

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Speaker 1: I haven't had any issues. But again, I often don't

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Speaker 1: wear them when I'm changing. Now, as you would expect,

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Speaker 1: the comment section absolutely blew up under Matt Paul's post

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Speaker 1: Tammy Hambro's ex husband Matt Zakowski, who wrote, congratulation guys,

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Speaker 1: so happy for you both now. Matt Paul actually responded

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Speaker 1: because there's been a lot of speculation that there's bad

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Speaker 1: blood between them, No, so I searched his likes. She

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Speaker 1: and this has sparked further speculation that there is growing

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Speaker 1: bad blood between Tammy and Matt, because he was caught

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Speaker 1: out liking a parody video which mocked Tammy for filming

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Speaker 1: herself crying following her divorce. I definitely think something is

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Speaker 1: deeper into that later in this episode. Now, another interesting

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Speaker 1: element of this proposal that I want to finish on

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Speaker 1: is the fact that this took place on what appeared

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Speaker 1: to be a paid trip to Port Douglas and Palm Cove,

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Speaker 1: or at least a gifted trip, because in the lead

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Speaker 1: up to this proposal, Matt was posting all about his stay.

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Speaker 1: Now he tagged his resort, which surprisingly wasn't actually my

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of influences recently, staying out. Maybe he

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Speaker 1: didn't want to propose there because Tammy's other ex and

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Speaker 1: baby daddy Rhyese Hawkins proposed to his wife, former wife

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Speaker 1: got to do it somewhere else. Did they actually ever

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Speaker 1: get married or were they just fiance's Well, it was

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Speaker 1: a bit of speculation that they got married in a

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Speaker 1: later on, but then that never happened. They broke up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well for anyone who stays important Douglas. The place that

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Speaker 1: Matt and an Alas were actually staying is the Pullman.

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Speaker 1: It looks like a much more family friendly resort now

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Speaker 1: he tagged them in the post. I'm not actually sure

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Speaker 1: on his page right now? Yes, win win for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley and her business partner Tory Jong appear to

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Speaker 1: have rekindled their friendship. The former besties who run Good

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Speaker 1: People Apparel dramatically unfollowed each other last month. Now, the

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Speaker 1: timing of this bust up was particularly tough for Sky

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Speaker 1: because she had just announced her breakup with her baby

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Speaker 1: daddy Lockie War. She actually ended up backtracking a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks later, though, saying that she and Locke plan

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Speaker 1: to work through things when they're not so busy with

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Speaker 1: forward a couple of weeks and Sky and Tory have

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Speaker 1: time because Tory has just announced to her forty two

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Speaker 1: of ten years. So she announced that she's officially single

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Speaker 1: and said that things have been up and down with

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Speaker 1: that she has been caring for her kids ninety nine

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Speaker 1: interesting because, similar to Sky Unlockee, Tory said that she

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Speaker 1: of a breakup when kids are involved is probably quite common.

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Speaker 1: It's just not something that we hear a lot of

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Speaker 1: because she said that she's shit scared about what she's

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Speaker 1: going to do financially because she is primary care of

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Speaker 2: No, he definitely does, doesn't but he does just like

432
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Speaker 2: vlog on his iPad around the house, like not to

433
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Speaker 2: low key. He would actually be really good, He actually would.

434
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Speaker 2: He's such a character.

435
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Speaker 1: Do we reckon he does have a secret YouTube channel somewhere,

436
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Speaker 1: because if he does, I'm sure a lot of media

437
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 1: publications would love to get their hands on the content

438
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: he's putting out there about his mom. No, I mean

439
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: us included, We would very much like to see that content.

440
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Speaker 1: It was pretty funny because Tammy and Emily said that

441
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Speaker 1: their kids love watching their vlogs. I mean I remember

442
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: growing up and loving watching old family videos. I suppose

443
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: it's the same thing, except millions of people don't see it. Well.

444
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 1: Sarah's Day said her son Fox loves watching his own

445
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: birth vlog, so it'd be pretty cool. It would be

446
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: really cool, I mean, just not everyone seeing it. Like

447
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 1: if if your parents back in the day actually filmed

448
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: all the lead up to your birth, if you could

449
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: watch that privately, it would be great. But I don't

450
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: think i'd want to out there for everyone to see.

451
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Speaker 1: What did you think about this first episode of Emily's podcast. Look,

452
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be mean, but I think the

453
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Speaker 1: two questions that we covered really saved the whole episode

454
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Speaker 1: because it was a bit of a Snoresville Otherwise. I

455
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: just felt like Nova gave Emily a bunch of really

456
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: basic motherhood questions and they were trying to be really

457
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Speaker 1: peacy about it all.

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Speaker 3: See.

459
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Speaker 1: I actually quite enjoyed it because I don't normally hear

460
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Speaker 1: Tammy and her sisters talking about motherhood, and at the

461
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: moment it's a bit of my Roman Empire. I love

462
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Speaker 1: hearing about how people, particularly people in the public eye

463
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Speaker 1: and people who run their own businesses, are coping having children.

464
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Speaker 1: So I kind of related to it as much as

465
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Speaker 1: I could. I just found it a little bit boring.

466
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Speaker 1: I mean, I have heard Tammy interviewed quite a lot.

467
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Speaker 1: I just didn't feel like they gave heaps like I

468
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Speaker 1: think they warmed up. But I'm looking forward to part

469
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Speaker 1: two because I think there's going to be room for redemption.

470
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Speaker 1: It sounds like it's going to be a lot more

471
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Speaker 1: interesting because Emily said they're going to go deep on

472
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Speaker 1: topics they haven't discussed online before, including heartbreak, grieving and loss.

473
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Speaker 1: So I'm expecting big things, but in.

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Speaker 3: All honesty, I have been struggling.

475
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Speaker 1: Saffron Barker has admitted her move to Dubai has put

476
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Speaker 1: pressure on her relationship with her boyfriend Josh Milne. The

477
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Speaker 1: couple made the move from the UK to Dubai just

478
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Speaker 1: eight months into their relationship. Now, for some background, Josh

479
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Speaker 1: is a twenty three year old Scottish model who lived

480
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Speaker 1: in Dubai it during his teenage years. When he and

481
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Speaker 1: Saffron first got together, he moved so quickly into her

482
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Speaker 1: mansion in bright and everyone was like getting whiplashed from

483
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Speaker 1: the whole thing. And he seemed to really integrate himself

484
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Speaker 1: into her life with her family. Yeah, I was like

485
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Speaker 1: Saffron's mum Wendy is going to love him because he

486
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: is all about Saffron and their family. It's quite clear

487
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: that's what they've been looking for, because Saffron is the

488
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Speaker 1: type of person who on her podcast spoke about how

489
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Speaker 1: the fact that if you're a girl, your boyfriend should

490
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Speaker 1: come and spend Christmas Day with you and your family.

491
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Speaker 1: They shouldn't agree with it. No, I think that you

492
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: have to see both families. Oh, I'm just joking. I

493
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Speaker 1: mean as you say, Okay. Saffron is incredibly family orientated.

494
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Speaker 1: She has built this mega mansion at Brighton, which is

495
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Speaker 1: just down the road from her parents. She also lives

496
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Speaker 1: very close to her two brothers and their partners, who

497
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: also live in the same suburb. In fact, her sister

498
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: in law recently just moved back to Brighton because they

499
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: started a business together, so a pajama brand. So she

500
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: would have been absolutely spewing to find out that Saffron

501
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: was moving to the Middle East. Yeah, so this move

502
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: really shocked everyone, including her followers. Saffron has always spoken

503
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Speaker 1: about wanting to pursue an acting career, which meant she

504
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: would live part time in la and part time in

505
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Speaker 1: the UK, but she never mentioned the prospect of moving

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Speaker 1: to the Middle East. And when Saffron announced the move

507
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Speaker 1: to her followers, she explained that Josh had had to

508
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Speaker 1: slot himself into her life and move into her house

509
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: and it was time for them to move somewhere where

510
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Speaker 1: they were on more of an even playing field. However,

511
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: it became quite apparent early on that moving to Dubai

512
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Speaker 1: was actually Josh's dream, because as you touched on Kate.

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Speaker 1: He lived there as a teenager, and we later found

514
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: out in Saffron's blogs, so his dad actually still lives there,

515
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: as well as a lot of his friends from childhood

516
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: who they've subsequently been hanging out with. So it doesn't

517
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: really seem to be this even playing field. It seems

518
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: like Saffron is now having to thlot herself into his life,

519
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: which seems quite established in Dubai. Yeah, and it seems

520
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: like it's starting to cause a bit of friction because

521
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Speaker 1: in Saffron's recent YouTube video, she opened up about how

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Speaker 1: she was coping with the move, so she titled the video,

523
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Speaker 1: I have been struggling lately. Let's take a listen to

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Speaker 1: some of what she said.

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Speaker 4: But in all honesty, I have been struggling because I

526
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Speaker 4: just somebody who honestly.

527
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Speaker 3: Can't survive without routine.

528
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 4: Like I have to have a routine and I have

529
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 4: to be product to you, but I have to be

530
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 4: doing things, and if I'm not, that's just really stressful.

531
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Speaker 4: It sounds ridiculous. But even like when I go and

532
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 4: do like things that you should just enjoy and be

533
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: in the moment, all I'm constantly doing is thinking about

534
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Speaker 4: the next thing.

535
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Speaker 3: And I think that's something go definitely duty to work on.

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Speaker 4: You know, if Josh and I are on holiday, we're

537
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 4: laying around the beach, all I'm thinking about is how

538
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 4: I want to be working, which I know is like

539
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: a little bit weird because my mind just honestly doesn't

540
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 4: switch off and I definitely do need to learn to

541
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Speaker 4: teach myself that and learn to have balance. But yeah,

542
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 4: where we just haven't had like furniture, and we've been

543
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 4: moving around.

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Speaker 3: Even though we've been in this place now for maybe

545
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Speaker 3: over a month.

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Speaker 4: We've had like people come and stay with us, and

547
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Speaker 4: I've been traveling a lot, and it's still just we

548
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: still just hadn't like got.

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Speaker 3: Ourselves into a routine. And let me tell you, we're

550
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Speaker 3: not there. We are so far from it.

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Speaker 4: And it's definitely been putting like way more pressure on

552
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Speaker 4: our relationship as well, because you know, like neither of

553
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 4: us have really been living like a reality, if that

554
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 4: makes sense, because we've kind of just been like here,

555
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 4: there and everywhere. And although moving to device is probably

556
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Speaker 4: one of the easiest places you can move to, it's

557
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Speaker 4: still obviously a long process and there's lots you've got

558
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 4: to do, and you know, finding your feet and stuff

559
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 4: like that, and just meeting new people and not having

560
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Speaker 4: your family and friends here like.

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Speaker 3: It just yeah, it's just a whole different experience.

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Speaker 1: I was really surprised to hear her admit the told

563
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Speaker 1: that this move has actually put on their relationship, in

564
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Speaker 1: saying that it's not surprising at all. Even if you

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Speaker 1: have the strongest relationship, if you're living in a different

566
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Speaker 1: country with one person you've only known for a couple

567
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: of months, and you're in this young relationship, there are

568
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: always going to be arguments. You don't have any outside

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00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: source to speak to or complain or vent to. I

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00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: found it interesting that she referenced that they're not currently

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Speaker 1: living a normal life, like living the reality that most

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Speaker 1: people do, and that's a problem because you would think

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Speaker 1: for a lot of couples that if you got to

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Speaker 1: go traveling all the time and you got to party

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00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: and eat whatever you want and have family staying over

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Speaker 1: and friends staying over, that that would be like a

577
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: honeymoon period for most couples. But she's saying that she's

578
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: craving the stability that they used to have at Brighton.

579
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: But to me, what she's craving is having her family there.

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Speaker 1: I also think it has a lot to do with

581
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: her career though, because she has been incredibly career focused

582
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: ever since she started her channel as a teenager, and

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Speaker 1: as we touched on in the past couple of years,

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Speaker 1: she has set herself some pretty lofty goals when it

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Speaker 1: comes to acting, and it seems like this move to

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Speaker 1: Dubai has meant that she hasn't been able to focus

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00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: on it, and maybe there's a bit of resentment creeping in.

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00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: It seems like this move to Dubai is all about

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00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: Josh and what he wants to do, and maybe some

590
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: modeling opportunities around there. I also think for her, she's

591
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: very into fitness, and she said that she's finding that

592
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: they are falling into bad habits, so her boyfriend Josh

593
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: doesn't like to get up early in the morning where

594
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: she likes to do a lot of early morning exercise classes.

595
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: I mean, when you move in with someone, you truly

596
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: find out their bad habits and maybe the fact that

597
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: you're potentially not on the same page now. Some of

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Speaker 1: Saffron's followers weighed in on the comment section of the YouTube.

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00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: One user wrote, I feel you are so out of

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Speaker 1: your comfort zone in Dubai. Sometimes that's not a bad thing,

601
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: but I can't help think you need to go back

602
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: to the UK. I'm worried about Saffron. She is one

603
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: of my favorite influences, and I couldn't help but feel

604
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: like she just looked really sad in her YouTube video.

605
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Speaker 1: There was this sadness in her eyes that I haven't

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00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: seen before. Is it a bit of a cry for

607
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: help or sort of dropping hints that she will be

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00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: moving back soon to the UK. The sad thing is

609
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: I actually really like her and Josh together as a couple.

610
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: They compliment each other really well. I think it's just

611
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: clear that they're both very young and potentially just a

612
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: bit selfish. I think anyone's selfish at that age.

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00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: But do we think that she's going to be back

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00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: in the UK long term soon? I don't know. I

616
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: really don't know. I'd like to see her move back

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Speaker 1: and then move back together, but it just seems like

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Speaker 1: they're in a bit of a struggle at the moment. Well,

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Speaker 1: that is where we're going to leave things today. If

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Speaker 1: you do enjoy the podcast, we drop a subscriber only episode,

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Speaker 1: which is basically an extension of this show. Every Thursday.

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Speaker 1: All the details to sign up are in our show notes.

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Speaker 1: episode every week. This episode was recorded on the traditional

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Speaker 1: land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We

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Speaker 1: pay respect to elders past and present.

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