1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm joining me live in the studio right now, and 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: probably the reason I forgot to turn the mic on 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: because you can't get us to stop talking even. 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: Before we get on. 5 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Here is ABC political report of Thomas Morgan. 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Katie Morning listeners and nine. 7 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: News Darwin's executive producer, Kathleen Gazola, Good morning. 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: To you morning. We're on the home run. 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: We've reached the home stretch of the marathon. We're on 10 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: the final what two hundred meters? 11 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: Do you think? 12 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: One hundred meters? I've been sick all weekend. I am 13 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: not missing a long way to go. Somehow, it doesn't it. 14 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: Saturday night will feel like the longest night ever. 15 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 4: Yeah. 16 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: Well, and look, it's been a really interesting week. 17 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say in the sense that 18 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: last week, you know, we're talking about the polling center's 19 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: opening and more than forty thousand people have already turned. 20 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: Out to vote. What do you make of those numbers? Tom? 21 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 5: I think that makes it clear that people want to 22 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 5: vote and get out there, and I think they're sick 23 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 5: of the Really, I think that people are sort of 24 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 5: know what they're going to do. They're not going to 25 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 5: listen to attack ads or you know, new political announcements 26 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 5: from major parties about supermarket chains coming in Northern. 27 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 4: Territory for instance. 28 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 5: I think people are just sort of quietly, sort of 29 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 5: ready to have their say and to move on. 30 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think, Kap, Yeah? 31 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: I think so too. And I just think people are 32 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: ready to get it over and done with and to 33 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 3: no one outcome and just basically crack on, get on 34 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: with our lives, and whoever is government do what they're 35 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 3: promised to do. That's what people want you to do 36 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: when you're elected. 37 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. It hasn't stopped the political parties so from making 38 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: their different announcements, that is for sure. 39 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: I think I actually reckon. 40 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: That they've struggled to wrap their heads around how to 41 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: campaign in this new way. 42 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: Given the fact that so many are turning out to voge. 43 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: Early, it would make it pretty boring two weeks for 44 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: us if they won't make exactly nice Yeah. 45 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 46 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 5: And I think also part of it is that this 47 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 5: is the first normal election that we've had since Problem 48 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 5: twenty twelve. Like twenty sixteen was all about getting out 49 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 5: the Giles government, twenty twenty was all about COVID. So 50 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 5: now twelve years later, I think the political parties are 51 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 5: sort of, I guess scrambling trying to figure out and 52 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 5: trying to figure out where actually like the sort of 53 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 5: business as usual election stairs stands, Like, you know, people 54 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 5: are making up their minds, they're voting already, and I 55 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 5: think now that the political parties, like all the people 56 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 5: who haven't voted, what are they going to need to 57 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 5: hear to win their vote? 58 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? 59 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: I don't know that free land is what I don't know. 60 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 3: On Friday, Katie being like, did you see this roll 61 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: like it just you know, offering free land to as 62 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: you were just talking to the Chief minister, a massive 63 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: multinational German multi national to try and get them here. 64 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: I mean, reeks of those Maya days, doesn't it, Katie? 65 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 2: People haven't been here. 66 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: Around a long time. 67 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: Remember when Maya was coming? 68 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: Wasn't coming? Was coming? 69 00:02:59,280 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: Wasn't coming? 70 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: Does it sit well to local supermarket owners? So we've 71 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: had to purchase, build fit out their own their own 72 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: premises and in some cases spending millions and millions of 73 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: dollars to try to you know, to make a buck 74 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: and have struggled over recent years. The impacts of the economy, 75 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: the impacts of crime, the impacts of all. 76 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: Sorts of alcohol license that's right, and. 77 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: The irony of it, and I and like, I get it. 78 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: But the irony of it as well is offering you know, 79 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: a multinational a huge you know, a huge parcel of 80 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: land for free, but they're not allowing the likes of 81 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: Dan Murphy's into town. 82 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: Is something that's been pointed out to me. 83 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: It. Look, a lot of our listeners are not buying 84 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: it this morning, you know, they're really sort of going, oh, 85 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: hang on a second, you know, offering free land, but look, 86 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: I guess it's that one final pitch to to you know, 87 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: try to prove that you could potentially lower the cost 88 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: of living to territories. 89 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: Will it work? 90 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: I mean, we see these chains all around the country, 91 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: you know, and still everyone has seen the cost of 92 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 3: their grocery bill increase. They have access to so many 93 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 3: more options than us, So why would them come here 94 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: really have that big of impact. 95 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: You know. 96 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: It takes me back to I don't know, it's probably 97 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen when the previous Colp government announced 98 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: a major petrol station that truck Central that is now built, 99 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 3: and of course you get a lot of trucks through there. 100 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: But I'm pretty sure whenever I've driven past there and 101 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: seen their petrol price, it's not a lot not lower 102 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: the cost of petrol. 103 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: Ye, for sure. 104 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 5: I think this is sort of a bit of an 105 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 5: attempt by a territory labor to reframe the conversation around 106 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 5: the cost of living direction Well that's another word, you know, 107 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 5: but that's it, right, Like they want to fight the 108 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 5: election on their terms, and so for territory labor, it 109 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 5: seems more like they want to talk about cost of 110 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 5: living because they might have more to talk about than 111 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 5: say crime or other issues. So I think, you know, 112 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 5: Friday afternoon releasing an announcement like that is an attempt 113 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 5: to try and I guess wrestle back some attention from 114 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 5: the COLP. 115 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was interesting and it was also not done 116 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: as like a big announcement. 117 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 4: No, it was just to the paper. 118 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, which you know, that's the strategy that or 119 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: media or political parties and whatever I do is dropping 120 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 3: it to different media agencies. But it was, you know, 121 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: mid afternoon on a Friday, and no minister or you know, 122 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: chief minister coming out to spook it and doing. 123 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: It well, and an attempt I think, as you've seen 124 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: Tom to claw back some of the discussion that had 125 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: very much turned to the CLP's announcement around Declan's Law, 126 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: and something that a lot of Territorians, you know, rightly 127 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: or wrongly, it's resonating with them. I'd spoken to Samara 128 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: Lavity on the show on Friday and spoken a little 129 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: bit more about, you know, her views on these proposed 130 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: legislative changes. I mean, she had said she just does 131 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: not want another family to live through what her family 132 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: has gone through. And a lot of people sort of 133 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: scratching their heads, not only with the case, you know, 134 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: with the with Declan's case, but also there was a 135 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: story in the paper last week on Friday, a man 136 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: who was reportedly on bail had sexually assaulted a woman 137 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: in the CBD. You know, these are the kinds of 138 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: incidents that are happening. They're real, they are occurring in 139 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory and a lot of people are very 140 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: worried about them, and they are questioning, you know, whether 141 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: there does need to be different laws in place when 142 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: it comes to bail and rightly, you know, rightly or wrongly, 143 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: that's where the discussion is at now. I say rightly 144 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: or wrongly, I guess because I know that there are 145 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: some that argue that it's not going to make a 146 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: big difference. 147 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 5: And yeah, and we sort of spent a lot of 148 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 5: Le's press conference with samural Avity sort of trying to 149 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 5: actually get to the bottom of exactly what the COLP 150 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 5: was wanting to change, which I think is a big 151 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 5: question that still hasn't truly been answered. The only real 152 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 5: explanation I've been able to get from the Criminal Lawyers 153 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 5: Association is that it may include more people on first 154 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 5: time offenses being denied bail. But there was sort of 155 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 5: a sort of a lack of clarity around exactly what 156 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 5: the CEA is going to change around these laws compared 157 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 5: to what's already there. 158 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: But nevertheless, obviously. 159 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 5: I think the COLP would be wanting to talk about 160 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 5: bail laws and keep attention on that issue for the election. 161 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: I think, for me, the whole thing, as you mentioned that, 162 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: we had the same stance and information coming back from 163 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: the Criminal Lawyers Association. Of course, legal eagles have a 164 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: better read on legislation and politicians. It's obviously their job 165 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: above what we know and what we and the average punter, 166 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: But I think I feel the feeling out there is 167 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: that the average punter just wants to give it a crack, 168 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: Like they're like, why not try it? If we're already 169 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: dealing with what we've got in place and we already 170 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: don't feel safe, well, then why aren't we trying something? 171 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: You know, we saw the review of the bail laws. 172 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: It really didn't say too much. Same with the knife 173 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: crime strategy, really didn't say too much or make any 174 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: significant changes which the government relied on. 175 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 4: Has anyone actually been wandered since those laws came into. 176 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: But not for a little while. 177 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: I might have to see if I can get a 178 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: bit of an update to see if there's been a wanding, 179 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, any wanding exercises take place. 180 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: I'm moving my arm around like Harry Potter. 181 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: But I think the studio feeling is that people feel 182 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: so unsafe in the community at the moment that, you know, 183 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: listening to lawyers X, Y, Z there, well, why don't 184 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: we try it and then we might feel safe? 185 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 186 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: And look, I understand the point that lawyers are making 187 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: absolutely and understand both sides of the of the argument. 188 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: I totally get it. 189 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I think that the thing You've always 190 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: got to be cautious of is that any of those 191 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: legislative changes. You don't want them to have unintended consequences. 192 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: But you also want to make sure that that victims 193 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: are kept safe. You want to make sure that if 194 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: there are repeat offenders, that they aren't able to hurt 195 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: anybody else. We're going to take a really quick break, 196 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: and when we come back, there is still a bit 197 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: to cover off on. We've got to take another look 198 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: at those seats that we're keeping an eye on and 199 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: whether there's been any movement that's coming your way in 200 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: just a couple of moments right here or mix. If 201 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: you have just joined us in the studio with me 202 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: this morning. I've got Thomas Morgan from the ABC, political 203 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: reporter with the ABC, and we've also got nine News 204 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: Darwin's executive producer Kathleen Gazola talking all things election. And 205 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: as I said, well, plenty of people turning out to vote. 206 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean, at this point in time, at over forty 207 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: thousand people, that obviously doesn't include today's numbers. What percentage 208 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: do you reckon we're going to get to before Saturday. 209 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if we'll be will be over fifty percent. 210 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, good on people for getting out there, and of 211 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: course it has dropped off from those first couple of years, 212 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: but even looking at the weekend numbers, they're still quite 213 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 3: significant of people coming through. 214 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: There really was. 215 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: They're pretty big numbers still over the course of the weekend, 216 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: and I'll take our listeners back through those as well 217 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: over the next couple of hours. But yeah, I mean 218 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: they are quite large numbers. Like I say very often, 219 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: no vote, no wings. If you're not going to turn 220 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: up and vote, then you don't get to winge afterwards 221 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: if you're not happy with the result. But I think 222 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: it's really important that Territorians do exercise their. 223 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: Right to vote. 224 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: We know that some of these seats are literally one 225 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: by ten votes. 226 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 3: And I really hope that the remote polling stations do 227 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: get a significant turnout because obviously that is the area 228 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: that areas that are representative of our most vulnerable, that 229 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: need a lot of support and need a lot of 230 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: improvement that's going to help lift the Northern Territory as 231 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 3: a whole. So you do hope that that extra time does. 232 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, those numbers are not overly high at some of 233 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: those mobile polling boots, at this point, I know that 234 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: that certainly has time to change, but some of them 235 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: not overly high, so I've no doubt there'll be plenty 236 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: of work going. 237 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: On out there. 238 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: But look, you know we spoke about this last week 239 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: in terms of the different seats. We ran through all 240 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: of the seats and how we thought they looked. But 241 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: there are some that really are going to be very close, 242 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: and you know, ones that either the Labor Party is 243 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: hoping to pick up or the Colps hoping to pick up. 244 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: And at this point in time, I know we spoke 245 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: about this last week to some degree, but certainly out 246 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: in Palmerston I think is going to be an interesting area. 247 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well, like you've got an independent Mark Turner, 248 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 5: formerly Labor who now doesn't have the resources of a 249 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 5: major party backing him to campaign. I think that the 250 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 5: CLP will be really looking to try and pick up 251 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 5: a win there. The same with Drysdale the Chief Minister's seat. 252 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 5: I think that could be one of the biggest upsets 253 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 5: of the night if Clinton Howe manages to snag that. 254 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is going to need quite a big turn 255 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: against the Chief Minister. However, the electoral boundaries have also 256 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: changed in that Electric. 257 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 5: Picked up a whole bunch of Eva's seat got redistributed 258 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 5: to pick up a whole bunch of very conservative areas 259 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 5: of Maray Clare Boothby's seat of Brennan. And so obviously 260 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 5: now Evil All has got to go out and introduce 261 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 5: herself to all these new voters who have never had 262 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 5: to vote for her before. 263 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: And lost a significant chunk that would have been familiar 264 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,119 Speaker 3: with her around moms. 265 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 5: Died in the walled labor voters down in parts of 266 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 5: I think was molden. Yeah, so you know this is 267 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 5: you know, may not necessarily on paper look like it's 268 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 5: winnable for the COLP, but when you start to dig 269 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 5: down into where Eva's actually got to pick up votes 270 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 5: and win over people's support, it becomes a bit more 271 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 5: of a well an open question as to whether she 272 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 5: can keep her seat. 273 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 3: And then your chief Minister, you're being pulled left, right 274 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: and center and expected to do a lot of different 275 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: things outside of your electorate that some of her colleagues 276 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 3: don't have to do. So when you're not out there 277 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: door knocking Likecklington how I believe has done it twice 278 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: or something, you don't see her as much and you know, 279 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 3: you might see a staffer that'signed from even Lawler's office, 280 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 3: but it's not the same as seeing her in person. 281 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: That's exactly right, I know, it is. 282 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: He not the only seats that we've sort of focused 283 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: on as well that are certainly ones to watch. Tom, 284 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: you had an article over the weekend as well that 285 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: looked at those ones to watch. I mean, what are 286 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: the key seats or the key areas do you think 287 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: at this point in time. 288 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Labor really you know, talking to a few 289 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 5: different people on both sides of the political spectrum, and 290 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,599 Speaker 5: it seems like Labor really bullish, optimistic, not necessarily that 291 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 5: they'll win, but that they can drag the seats of 292 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 5: Namajira and Barkley to be very close pickups for Labor 293 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 5: and potentially offset say that they do lose Drysdale or 294 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 5: do lose you know, Port Darwin, which is one of 295 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 5: the ones that the CLP factored to gain at this election. 296 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 5: Then if Labor can win back some of those sort 297 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 5: of central Australian remote community seats like Barkley, like Namagira, 298 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 5: then it's going to be a really interesting contest from 299 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 5: the sense that Labor can offset losses in Darwin. 300 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 3: And history is on their side obviously, because those seats 301 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 3: have been long held by Labor members. Obviously Jerry McCarthy 302 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: held it for a. 303 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: Couple decades or something, for a very long time. 304 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: You know, the Bush has traditionally swung towards Labor and 305 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: obviously that was what twenty twelve became, was the COLP 306 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: revolution of focusing on the Bush, and they were repaid 307 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: for that. 308 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 5: But then obviously the only thing is though that you know, 309 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 5: the local candidates out there for the COLP. You've obviously 310 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 5: been incumbents for four years and have had time to 311 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 5: work those seats, so that's something that you know, the. 312 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 4: Former comes again. Yeah, I forget the name of Steve 313 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 4: veg Steve Edgington out there in the community. 314 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: Well, And one thing. 315 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm being told in Tenant Creek that's going to be 316 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: really interesting is my understanding is that Steve very very 317 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: strong and quite confident in Tenant Creek in the town center. 318 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: But then the Labor Party candidate quite strong out in 319 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: the Bush. And so it's going to be a matter 320 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: of whether those out in the Bush turn up to 321 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: Vosh and whether those in Tenant Creek turn up to Vosh, 322 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: So it could be a really close one. But look, 323 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: taking into account that history that you'd spoken about just 324 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: a moment ago as well, Cathleen, for the likes of Barclay, 325 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: and the fact that it had traditionally been a seat 326 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: that was held by labor. That's where I actually think 327 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: some of the other seats could become quite interesting, like Daily, 328 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: for example, which has changed hands on a number of occasions. 329 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: I know many you know like like. 330 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: Well, and that's right, But even then, when you sort 331 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: of look back historically as well at the set of Daily, 332 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: it's not always been a labor safehold. And again the 333 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: dynamics have changed a tiny degree as I understand it. 334 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that the electoral boundaries. I thought they 335 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: had encompassed a bit more of Berry Springs. I could 336 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: be wrong on that, but so it's going to be 337 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: like it is going to be interesting somewhere like Daily. 338 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: I mean, then when you look at. 339 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: That, that's one of those ones that is a mix 340 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: of urban and remote. Obviously it takes in what it's 341 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: as well as Berry Springs in the rural area, which 342 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: you know, a low people say is very conservative. 343 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, my advice to the COLP, and I 344 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: don't know whether they have done this or not, but 345 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: I would have certainly been engaging Gary Higgins to help 346 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: me out with that electorate and to be working behind 347 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: the scenes on some assistance. Now I've got no idea 348 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: whether he has or not, and I would argue probably hasn't. 349 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 5: But and one anecdote that I heard on the prepole 350 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 5: was that Labor had gone out and made some commitments, 351 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 5: so they didn't really share with media, didn't announce like 352 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 5: I think something about a new pool in daily I'm 353 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 5: sure on the first day of pre poll, and that 354 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 5: was sort of you know, the seal people like whoa, Okay, 355 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 5: So you know Labour are coming out and trying to 356 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 5: make a play, not necessarily to win the rural area, 357 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 5: but to at least weaken the CLP support there. Labor 358 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 5: can do really well in the remotes and potentially win 359 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 5: that set well. 360 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: And my question always is have those promises been costed? 361 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: And when are we going to find out exactly how 362 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: much they are going to cost? 363 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: So that's I think question of this week, and well, 364 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: arguably the CLP has done it a lot less than Labor. 365 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: Labour's put a lot more figures on some of their 366 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: announcements and stuff, because obviously they've got the budget. They 367 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: can play with that and they can do that, and 368 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: a lot of the. 369 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 4: Things that they're talking about as well are ready exactly 370 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 4: education they. 371 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: Come out and do that and we're like, you've already 372 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: announced it. Lines, yeah, done either it is a little 373 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 3: that's right. 374 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: Those little promises though, are the ones that add up. 375 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: So not those bigger ones that have already been committed 376 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: and now you're showing the progress work. But those little 377 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: promises I pull out, and you know, wherever they've said 378 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: there could be one, you know, different commitments that are 379 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: getting made in different seats that they're worried that they 380 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: may not win. Like, you've got to be really open 381 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: and transparent about those small promises because they all add up. 382 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: And it does go to the old argument from the 383 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: colp Oh, we won't spend twelve million dollars on a 384 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: shade structure, you know, but. 385 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: Where you read that money from, which is what we 386 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 3: haven't heard from them. And I believe it's two days 387 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 3: before the election, so at least by Thursday, the costings 388 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: for both sides have to come out, and they'll come 389 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 3: from Treasury, which obviously will independently analyze it. 390 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 4: And by then half of voters may have. 391 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: Already That's right. Look, it's going to be a very 392 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: interesting race to election day. There is a lot of 393 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: seats that are going to be interesting. I mean, Port, Darwin, 394 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: Fong Limb. I think even Funny Bay is going to 395 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: be you know, look, I would think that the likes 396 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: of Brent Potter is going to potentially be safe, but 397 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: you really don't. 398 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 5: Know, right and Karama and Huri. You know, Nicole Maison 399 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 5: had a very high personal vote in that electorate. 400 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 4: And you know, people. 401 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: Have seen Johnston as well. I think someone mentioned during 402 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 3: the week to me that they were driving around Milner 403 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 3: perhaps and her posters Justine Davis was everywhere. 404 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 5: The other joy that could be a breakthrough, and I 405 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 5: you know, it was interesting. You know, a lot of 406 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 5: people who I talk to who are in Johnston have 407 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 5: made the point that they haven't seen much of Joel 408 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 5: in the last four years. And you know, I don't 409 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 5: live in the electorate, so I can't know. But that 410 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 5: is a theme that I've sort of picked up on, 411 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 5: is that there is a bit of unhappiness with how 412 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 5: the government may have treated the electricate. We've had a 413 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 5: lot of high profile incidents like declan lavity, like seafat 414 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 5: the International Student and so you know, there is perhaps 415 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 5: a weakness there, of vulnerability there that Labor hasn't necessarily 416 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 5: gotten around to fixing until now. And now you start 417 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 5: to see Joel rolling out all these big commitments of 418 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 5: after school care and the electorate, perhaps in a way 419 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 5: to sort of, I guess, mend relations with the local community. 420 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 4: But I wonder how if it's too little, too late now. 421 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: Just before I let you both go, I mean, what 422 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: do you make of the two campaigns? It does seem 423 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: to me like the CLP is running a very grassroots 424 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: campaign in the sense that they've got their local members 425 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: or the people that they're hoping to become local members, 426 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: out at every single door, knocking on those doors. Labor yep, 427 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: The Labor Party meanwhile very much running a leader lead 428 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: campaign evil all of front and center. They obviously can 429 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: see that she has garnered more popularity within the community 430 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: than what her two former predecessors have. I mean, like, 431 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: what do you make of the campaigns that are being run? 432 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: We've talked about this so many times of how different 433 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: it is compare to previous elections. Election campaigns can be 434 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: very intense because it's very high stakes, but this one 435 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 3: definitely does feel as you've described it. You know, the 436 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 3: Labor how to vote cards have the Labor candidate and 437 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: Eva next to it, part of the Labor team, and 438 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: it's just it feels like Labor is very out there, 439 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: being very visible in particular in the media for us, 440 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 3: whereas a CLP is out and about, and they've probably 441 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: been a bit more as the campaign the two weeks 442 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 3: of ripol has rolled out, but it feels like they're 443 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: kind of just taking a little bit of a back 444 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 3: seat and just letting Labor they hope, stumble along. 445 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're really hoping. 446 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 5: I think the CLP that people have had enough of 447 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 5: labor and wanting and will park their vote with the CLP. 448 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 5: The danger with that is that people don't park. They 449 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 5: don't vote for labor, but they don't also vote for 450 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 5: the CLP, which is why you had the CLP put 451 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 5: out these flyers urging people not to vote for the 452 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 5: independence last week. That was I think telling of some 453 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 5: concern within the CEA P. I haven't seen those, Yeah, 454 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 5: a few people sent them to me. And I was like, wow, okay, 455 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 5: like urging people like you're independent, can't do anything, you know, 456 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 5: I don't vote for the Independent. I think that was 457 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 5: quite telling. It has been a very subterranean campaign. There 458 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 5: hasn't really been much out from the CLP, but. 459 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: It has been very late leader led because it's been 460 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: Leah doing all of the CLP and now you're and 461 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: also not always with a candidate right, which usually they 462 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: always have them next to it, like they have a 463 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 3: couple of times I can't think of. 464 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 5: The one of my head, the one with similar lavity 465 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 5: the b U S and Jingly didn't have Greg Strachan 466 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 5: or Gary you know, no local candidate there. 467 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 4: I can think of a. 468 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 3: Leah doing the men Ninja cockle vaccine Robin Carl who 469 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 3: obviously the Perhamiston super Clinic and is one of their 470 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 3: high profile candidates. She wasn't standing next to ye was 471 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 3: another one as well that I can't think of. 472 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a very safe campaign. They really 473 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 5: don't want to make a mistake and potentially then you. 474 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: Know, anither party at this point in time and look 475 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: we've still got a few days to go. Have played 476 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: it real dirty, you know, like sometimes some of the 477 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: years that I've been covering politics, it has reached the 478 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: point where it is it's you know, it's borderline offensive 479 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: with some of what they're sort of saying and doing. 480 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: But this time around, I do feel as though both 481 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: Evil Lula and Leofanocchiaro as best as they can. They're 482 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: trying to take the higher ground, which which does seem 483 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: to be a good thing. I hope that that continues. 484 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: I know there's still some petty politics happening out there. 485 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: Get a hint of it, then it gets wound. 486 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 3: Yes, Leah hasn't brought into a lot of the attacks 487 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: that Eva has tried to do. She's tried to just 488 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 3: sort of take a bit of a step back from 489 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 3: perhaps what you've usually seen her efforts in parliament because 490 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 3: she can be one of those performers. But yeah, that's 491 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 3: been interesting, I think grassroots wise, in each different electorate 492 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: there's been more of that foul play. 493 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 5: Interesting stories going around about what's happening in Gouido, which 494 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 5: might be something that And I. 495 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: Also saw that one of Justin Glover's core flutes, a 496 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: lot of her core fleotes were completely slashed in. 497 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 5: Heart putting in Karama they've actually been circulating an endorsement 498 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 5: that Justin Glover gave tanari O kit before she then 499 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 5: decided to run as an independent, So they've started to 500 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 5: circulate that as a way of saying, well, it's independent, 501 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 5: actually back labor until a few weeks before she announced 502 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 5: her independent candidacy. So there is some and you know, 503 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 5: who knows there might be more to come. 504 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: Who knows well, And that might be why people are 505 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: hitting out to vote early so they can go, hey, 506 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: I don't even care whether you or whether you send 507 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: that out. 508 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: Lovely to have you both in the studio. 509 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: Thomas Morgan, ABC Political reporter, thank you for your time 510 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: this morning. 511 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 4: Thanks Katie. 512 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola, Executive producer, nine News Darwin, thank you for 513 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: your time. Good luck for the rest of the week. 514 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: You want to talk to you, so thank you.