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Speaker 1: Joining us from Alice Springs this morning is the opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Leah Finocchiarro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and you're wonderful listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, first up, we've now learned the thirteen year

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Speaker 1: college and assaulted innocent youth has been charged with aggravated assault,

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Speaker 1: trespass and serious breach of bail. Leah, it's pretty concerning

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Speaker 1: to hear this person's being charged with the serious breach

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Speaker 1: concerned about, that people on bail are continuing to offend.

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Speaker 3: It's a really good example of a broken system under

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Speaker 3: a government that refuses to admit they got it wrong

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Speaker 3: when they watered down the laws and took away powers

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Speaker 3: from police. And as we can see now, people's lives

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Speaker 3: are literally being impacted by this. We've got young people

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Speaker 3: being allegedly assaulted at school, schools having to go into lockdown,

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Speaker 3: totally unexcpt tipple and a government still pretending like crime

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Speaker 3: and the territory is that on some sort of equal

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Speaker 3: categorically is not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I'm I had been told by parents at

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Speaker 1: who jumped the fence had an ankle monitoring bracelet on.

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Speaker 2: I had hoped that I was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I had hoped that I had heard it, you know, secondhand,

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Speaker 1: this person's been charged with a serious breach of bail,

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Speaker 1: I think people are just feeling a bit broken about

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Speaker 1: this whole situation.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 3: People are broken, they're losing hope, they're demoralized. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the good question to ask, Katie is was this person

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Speaker 3: bailed despite the fact that it was a serious breach

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Speaker 3: of bail? And that will probably indicated even more serious

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Speaker 3: problem we had the system. But you know, Katie, eight

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty eight territorians left the territory last quarter

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Speaker 3: serious issue. It's something people are talking about and changing

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Speaker 3: territory because of It's totally unacceptable, and yet it is fixable.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there are immediate things we could do tomorrow

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Speaker 3: make sure that we're turning people's lives around and addressing

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Speaker 3: those root causes well of crime. But Labour just doesn't

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Speaker 1: And look, you and I've spoken about some of what

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Speaker 1: get to one of those things in a moment. Before

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Speaker 1: we do, though, I want to talk about this footage

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Speaker 1: that was on Sky News yesterday. They're reporting that community

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Speaker 1: leaders are demanding urgent action after a sixteen year old

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Speaker 1: obtained this footage of the incident, which occurred on Saturday morning,

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Speaker 1: March sixteenth. Police said there had been a brawl involving

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Speaker 1: up to fifty people along Gregory and Hartley. It's in

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs, CBD. Officers said the sixteen year old victim

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Speaker 1: attacked by up to ten other girls. The video shows

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Speaker 1: yippering Your School principal Gavin Morris said the footage has

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Speaker 1: the well, it's the worst that he's seen in twenty

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Speaker 1: five years working as an educator. Lea, have you seen

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Speaker 1: that footage and what was your reaction?

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Speaker 3: I have seen the footage, Katie, and it's absolutely hideous.

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Speaker 3: It's heart renting, and it makes you reflect on what

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Speaker 3: It is absolutely at breaking point here in Alice Springs

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Speaker 3: and unfortunately the people living here, those types of public

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Speaker 3: brawls and disgraceful incidents are happening every single day, sometimes

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Speaker 3: We must be making sure that kids are getting to school,

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Speaker 3: that there's an audit into all funding going into service

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Speaker 1: To go over lia is an order. I mean, is

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Speaker 3: I think royal commissions are just too expensive and take

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Speaker 3: It can be done at a territory level and we

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Speaker 3: there needs to be much doing around How.

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Speaker 2: Who would conduct that audit?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a number of professionals around the country who

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Speaker 3: who can do this work. I've got no doubt in

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Speaker 3: my mind about that. But when Labor just handing out

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Speaker 3: you have is a situation where things aren't working, there's

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Speaker 3: And we know under Labor they're not delivering tougher laws,

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Speaker 3: they're not delivering boot camps, they're not delivering outcomes that

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Speaker 3: support to their family right through to when they're offended

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Speaker 3: sod LEA.

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Speaker 1: What do you think that an order would deliver? Or

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Speaker 1: why do you think that an audit into all of

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Speaker 1: these services in Central Australia is required right now? Because

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Speaker 1: some people listening might be thinking, come on, we know

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Speaker 1: what needs to be done, just get on with doing

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Speaker 1: it and what it's going to take forever. But there

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Speaker 1: is a lot of money flowing into a centralist flowing

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think an order is going

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Speaker 3: Well, it's hundreds of millions of dollars, if not more, Katie.

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Speaker 3: Honestly it is hundreds of millions of dollars. So I

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Speaker 3: also need to be doing the audit. So what the

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Speaker 3: NDAs you name it. So there's a range of service

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Speaker 3: so who's doing those services? What outcomes are supposed to

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Speaker 1: Isitor?

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Speaker 3: Is there a successful service that has a lack of

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Speaker 3: aren't getting the results that they perhaps anticipated. And this

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Speaker 3: in delivering our comes, not just running program I mean, Leah, are.

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Speaker 1: The NGOs doing good enough in Central Australia right now?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that we've heard from Matt Patterson, the mayor,

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Speaker 3: We've heard from Gavin you know there we you certainly

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Speaker 3: I mean Steve Edgington, Josh Bergoyn and Bill Yen wrote

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Speaker 3: that we must be addressing the demand for alcohol through

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Speaker 1: All right, we have spoken at lengths over the last

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Speaker 1: these boast and post change legislation. Now the Deputy Chief

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Speaker 1: part of the review which is being undertaken, which will

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that's fast enough.

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Speaker 3: Nothing that labor are doing on or an order or

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Speaker 3: our economy is fast enough, Katie, and the Deputy Chief

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Speaker 3: Minister at Chancey Paig will say and do anything to

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Speaker 3: try and trick Territorians into voting for labor.

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Speaker 1: So will you introduce I mean, if you are elected

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is exactly right. So we've already drafted legislation

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Speaker 3: of if you're posting on your crime on social media.

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Speaker 3: And what that does is it means if you're stealing

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Speaker 2: Would the minimum be though, Like, what would the minimum be?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So the minimum for stealing a vehicle, I don't

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Speaker 3: have it in front of me Katie, but I don't

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Speaker 3: We're going to give the courts the opportunity of the

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Speaker 1: All right, Lea, are a few things to get through

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Speaker 1: very quickly. I know we're both pressed for time. Last week,

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Speaker 1: Steve Edgington, the Member for Barclay, resigned as the Shadow

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Speaker 1: Minister for the Prevention of Domestic, Family and Sexual Violence.

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Speaker 1: In a statement on Thursday afternoon, he said he took

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Speaker 1: the devastatingly high rates of domestic and family and sexual

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Speaker 1: Did Steve actually say he wanted to resign all together?

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Speaker 3: So, you know, Steve took the time to think about

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Speaker 3: And domestic violence is a serious issue across the territory. Steve,

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Speaker 3: We've got domestic violence figures, assaults up eighty three percent

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Speaker 1: Did he say though, that he wanted to resign all together.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately Steve resigned from the domestic violence portfolio and I

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Speaker 1: So he didn't say that he was happy to resign

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there were a number of discussions that day.

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Speaker 1: Where were you aware of the extent of the offending

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Speaker 3: No, so I wasn't aware of any offending. But you know,

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Speaker 3: the action's been taken to stand down the person involved.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that it was appropriate that

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Speaker 3: Well, I think Steve has been really clear about his

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Speaker 3: But I think what's most important is that Steve has

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Speaker 1: Guess I'll put it to you this way. Would you like,

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Speaker 3: Look, Steve's made it really clear that had he have

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Speaker 1: LEA a quick one from one of our listeners. Therees

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Speaker 1: has emailed through and said, good morning, Katie. Can you

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Speaker 1: please ask the opposition leader what she plans to do

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Speaker 1: if elected about the crime in the Northern Territory. Now,

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Speaker 1: I want to know how the CLP is going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great question, and we would deal with it immediately,

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Speaker 3: going to give police greater powers to deal with public

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Speaker 3: make sure that the revolving door of bail is dealt

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Speaker 3: with with law changes that see all serious violent vendors

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Speaker 3: then make sure our police are well supported with what

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Speaker 3: CLP is on getting kids to school. And I've got

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Speaker 3: the data here. I'm sitting in Alice Springs right now

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Speaker 3: is sixty five percent. It's just not good enough. We

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Speaker 1: What about what about the Northern Territory government right now

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Speaker 2: End of the year.

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Speaker 1: If elected, is the CLP actually going to, you know,

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Speaker 1: to accept the recommendations of that review.

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Speaker 3: I've got no confidence in anything Labor does on this issue.

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Speaker 3: I believe this is a political tactic, a trick to

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Speaker 3: We don't need a review into youth justice. And actually, Katie,

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Speaker 3: it's Labor and Eva Lawler and her government who actually

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Speaker 3: certainly will not be well. We talked about it last

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Speaker 3: and confidence. But Labor currently have a review, a secret

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Speaker 3: review into youth bail, and we believe the reason they

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Speaker 3: haven't released it is because it proposes even weaker laws,

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Speaker 3: which is something the CLP is not interested in whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: We believe in making our community say first and foremost

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Speaker 3: and backing our police, and we will throw everything we

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Speaker 3: have at that, Katie, because community safety has got to

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah Finocchiaro, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 1: it there. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for joining us from Alice this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, take care everyone.

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Speaker 2: Thank you