1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, we want to issue 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: a trigger warning as this episode discusses issues around animal 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: cruelty and also fertility. On today's show, Emma Claire dumped 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: by brands after admitting to killing two cats as a child. 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Tully smythe divides followers by announcing pay partnership with a 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: fertility company, and Sammy Robinson asks her fans to work 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: for free. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: I'm Sophie Torbert, and I have a question to kick 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: things off. If I was a super rich influencer with 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: a heap of businesses, would you, guys ever accept me 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: paying your wages or giving you a monthly sort of salary? 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: Depends what the job was like. If it was in 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: something I was interested in, then yeah sure. But if 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: it was just like so I could hang out with 16 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: you on film, YouTube videos, maybe not. I think I'd 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: say no because I'd feel like a bit of a loser. Well, 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: this is the question that is facing Molly May's sisters 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: Zoe So she recently left her role in the army 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: to pursue an influencing career and a job as an 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: online coach, and she has revealed that Molly has offered 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: to pay her a monthly wage and also offered her 23 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: work at a tanning line filter. However, Zoe said it's 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: not in her to accept those sort of offers and 25 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: she needs to be out and about doing something else. 26 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: So she has discovered that a role as an influencer, 27 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: in her opinion, isn't fulfilling. 28 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: As much as I love doing Instagram making YouTube videos, 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: I love making YouTube videos so much, I don't want you, guys, 31 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: I don't love doing that at all. It's it's not 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: fulfilling me. It's really not fulfilling me. It's made me 33 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: realize over the last few months that I need to 34 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: be out and about and doing something like I'm very 35 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: much happy to do Instagram and do YouTube on the side, 36 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: I don't want it to be my primary source of income. 37 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: I want another job and I want to be out 38 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: and about. Hence why I joined the Army initially. 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: To me what I watch this video? I was wondering 40 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: if she didn't have many brand deals coming in well, 41 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: there were rumors that she'd struck it rich with being 42 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: offered an ambassador role at PLT, which of course her 43 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: sister Molly May is the creative director of. But it 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: seems like that might not be true. The thing is, 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: I found it weird that she's not willing to accept 46 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: a job from Molly. However, her becoming an influencer is 47 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: based on Molly's career in itself, like people are only 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: interested in Zoe because of Molly's see. I kind of 49 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: respect the fact though that she's had to try at 50 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: it and she's thought, actually, this isn't for me, because 51 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: she says that she now wants to go into something 52 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: where she's out and about doing something helping people. So 53 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: she's looking into a career in the fire service or 54 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: working in protection services. You's gonna remember, okay, that everybody 55 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: who has become big really on YouTube has come off 56 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: the back of somebody else. I think of saff from Barker. 57 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: It was her like fifteen year old boyfriend that was 58 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: big on YouTube. She got big now her brother's big 59 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: particulars how it were. And if you're in the orbit 60 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: of someone who has made a fortune at the age 61 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: of twenty three off starting her own businesses and reality 62 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: TV and youtubing. 63 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: Of course, you wouldn't be happy in. 64 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: Your everyday job where you're never gonna earn as much 65 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: money if you had the opportunity to try and have 66 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: a goal with it. Going back to your example, though, Amy, 67 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: you're talking about Saffron Barker's brother, who was like seventeen 68 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: at the time. It's a bit different for a woman 69 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 1: who's already had an established career. I believe Zoe is 70 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: around twenty seven twenty eight to then suddenly drop everything 71 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: and become an influencer because her sister was on love Ie. Yeah, 72 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: but people are interested in her life. I think she's 73 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: got over one hundred thousand followers. I follow her content. 74 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: I really like her and I think what I like 75 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: about her is that she is a normal girl, as 76 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: opposed to you might watch her sister Molly's content to 77 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: see that aspirational life. 78 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: So she does need a job, well, she does. 79 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: She does need a job, and having worked in the army, 80 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: working as an influencer, it's obviously very boring in comparison. 81 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: There are definitely two ends of the scale, aren't they. 82 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: And with Zoe, she has said that she wants to 83 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: continue youtubing and creating content on the side, but she 84 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: really does need something that she. 85 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: Feels a bit more fulfilled in. 86 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: And I take my hat off to her for not 87 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: taking the easy route and just awage from her sister. 88 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: I think there's I think there's also a power imbalance, 89 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: So the fact that she's twenty seven her sister's twenty three. 90 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: I wonder if it's a bit embarrassing being offered something 91 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: from your younger sister. I think it's nice of Molly 92 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: to offer, though, because Molly must be making truckloads of cash, 93 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: and she would think, well, why don't I just help 94 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: my sister out and build up her career. Well, she's 95 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 1: rumored to be worth nine million pounds for some reason, 96 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: I thought she'd be worth even more than that. Yeah, 97 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: but you're forgetting Tommy. Tommy Fury would be worth a shitload, 98 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: particularly after his big fight. I do remember in a 99 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: YouTube video Molly mentioned that she was going to gift 100 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: her sister her old car, which was like a brand 101 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: new range Rover or something. So I feel like there 102 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: definitely is a power imbalance. But I think Molly wants 103 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: her sister around, maybe helping out with the baby and 104 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: just to be in the background of her YouTube's people are. 105 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 4: Gonna hate us already a hot mess queen, so we 106 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 4: are hot messes. Sometimes we would like some hot mess 107 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 4: queen advice from other hot messes. 108 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: Emma Claire has shocked followers by admitting she killed two 109 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: cats as a child on her recent podcast episode. The 110 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: backlash has been swift, with multiple brands cutting ties with her. Now, So, 111 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: for those who don't know, can you give us a 112 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: bit of background info on Emma? 113 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 3: Well? 114 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: She is a twenty eight year old Sydney influencer who 115 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: has one hundred and seven thousand followers on Instagram and 116 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: also two hundred and twelve thousand followers on TikTok. And 117 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: we did speak about her last year after she went 118 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: viral for sharing a story about her bridesmaids stealing from her. 119 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: More recently, Emma gave birth to her first child just 120 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: a week ago, so this controversy doesn't come at a 121 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: good time for her, now, kay, can you talk us 122 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: through exactly what happened? 123 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 4: Well? 124 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: For a while now, Emma has been teasing a podcast rebrand, 125 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: and on Tuesday she launched a new show called Simply Chaotic. 126 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: So her podcast used to be called The Fucket Diaries, 127 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: but she said she changed the name because people were 128 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: offended by it. I thought you were going to say 129 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: the fuck wit Diary. Yeah, it might be more appropriate 130 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: for her what has just happened? 131 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 4: Maybe? 132 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: Well. The podcast is touted as your weekly dose of 133 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: shit talk with a side of TMI now. Emma is 134 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: joined by her best friend Christy on the podcast, and 135 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: during the episode, they were sharing personal secrets, and Emma 136 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: shocked everyone, including her co host, by saying this. 137 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: I've got one. I killed my cat. Fuck off. 138 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: Okay, but I promise I'm really good with my animals. 139 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 4: I'm not actually sure if I really want to. 140 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 2: Go ahead with this. Yeah, it was pretty fucked up. 141 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 2: Oh my god, did that really happen? 142 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: Emma went on to say I didn't mean to I 143 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: was young, I was a child. I was swinging my 144 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: cat around like I was thinking it was just a 145 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: stuff toy, and I accidentally let. 146 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: Go of it. 147 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: She went on to confirm that the cat died from fright. 148 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: Rather than an injury. 149 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: She also revealed that her sister didn't speak to her 150 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: for months after the incident and her mum was fucking fuming. 151 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: Emma went on to say, I just want to say, 152 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm giggling about it now, but this happened years and 153 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: years ago, and like I was a fucking little child. 154 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: She finished off by off. 155 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: Hanley revealing that she killed her best friend's cat, but 156 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: didn't provide any further information. At what point, when she 157 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,559 Speaker 1: was retelling this story on the podcast did she think, mmm, 158 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: maybe this is not the best story to tell on 159 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: this upbeat show. 160 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: Or editing it. 161 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the most sickening thing that she thought 162 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: that this was some clickbait that would. 163 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: Get her followers interested. 164 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: Because this sickening conversation was also used as a teaser 165 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: to promote the podcast. I mean, was anyone in her 166 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: immediate circle of friends or families not saying this is 167 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: highly inappropriate and offensive. I can't believe that anyone thought 168 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: this was appropriate. They do have a producer on the show, 169 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: but I'm guessing he's just a friend of Emma's because 170 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: someone really should have flagged that this is not the 171 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: sort of information you should be putting out there. The 172 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: thing is, I understand that this was an incident that 173 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: happened when she was a child, but by talking about 174 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: it in the way she is, she has absolutely no 175 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: remorse for what happened, and the tone is treating this 176 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: whole thing as if it's a joke, and I'm sorry, 177 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: animal cruelty is not a joke. Whatever age that this happens, 178 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: I just find it so appalling, especially as a cat love. 179 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: She was nine, though it's not like she was three. 180 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: Nine year olds know what they're doing. That's what I 181 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: found really disturbing about the whole story, And I think 182 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: it was particularly troubling because during the episode, Emma spoke 183 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: about how she had severe anger issues and started seeing 184 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: a psychologist when she was seven. She also spoke about 185 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: how she had broken a girl's nose because she told 186 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: her that she had a crush on someone, and this 187 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: was when she was very young too, so it's not 188 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: like it was just some accidental thing. It seems to 189 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: have maybe come from these rage issues, but also the 190 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: fact that it's not an isolated incident, and she flippantly 191 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: said that she also killed her best friend's cat, Like 192 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: what is going on? I found the whole thing very traumatizing, 193 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: and a lot of people did. The backlash was swift, 194 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: and Emma did put out a statement about it. However, 195 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: she was not apologetic at all, she said to the 196 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: people offended by my story in today's Simply Chaotic episode 197 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: that I shared, it happened twenty one years ago. I 198 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: was a small child. Accidents happen, and you need to chill. 199 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: I hope you are not the same person you were 200 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: at nine years old, and then in brackets, I could 201 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: have been even younger, you know, haha, And I can 202 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: confirm that after that accident, I have been the best 203 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: mother to multiple cats, including my baby fread. It's a 204 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: bit of light humor in a get to know you episode, 205 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: and if you can't handle that, then Simply Chaotic ain't 206 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: for you. So by to everyone who has messaged me 207 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: about the episode with positive feedback, we thank you. Thank 208 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: you for not taking things too seriously and understanding the humor. 209 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: Simply Chaotic is a place for all the hot messes 210 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: out there to just be themselves and not worry about 211 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: getting judged by lowlss ps. I'm going to go back 212 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: to my newborn bubble now again. Sorry not sorry for 213 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: an accident that happened over twenty years ago, and sorry 214 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: not sorry for having a giggle about it because I 215 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: still think twenty years on, I'm still shocked by it. 216 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: Is it actually an accident when you pick up a 217 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: cat by its tail and swinging around a room? But 218 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: also the actual tone there of sorry, not sorry. She 219 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: is not apologetic about this incident at all. I know 220 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: we speak a lot about celebrities and high profile influencers 221 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: who obviously have the help and support of a PR 222 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: team to come together with an apology. This is a 223 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: prime example of someone who has totally misread the room, 224 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: someone who has written this on their own. At the 225 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: same time, even if you don't have a publicist to 226 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: help you, I can't see how you would ever think 227 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: this was an appropriate apology. She lacked any remorse for 228 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: the situation and again played it off as a joke 229 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: and it was everyone else's fault that they were offended 230 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: by it. 231 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: I'm confused. What's meant to be funny about it? 232 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I didn't like oh because she's so chaotic 233 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: that she accidentally killed two cats. I also didn't like 234 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: the photo she chose. She was her looking very amused 235 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: and almost rolling her eyes at the situation. The thing is, Okay, 236 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: you were nine years old and you did something, but 237 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: you're now twenty eight years old and you've decided to 238 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: reveal it as some sort of funny get to know 239 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: you segment, Like you're a twenty eight year old you 240 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: should know better that telling stories about animal cruelty is 241 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: not going to fly, you know, when you're at school 242 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: or at UNI and you have to introduce yourself to 243 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: someone and then report back to the class of fun fact. 244 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: Is this some sort of weird, disgusting fun fact that 245 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: has been following her whole life? And she thought that 246 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: it's been funny when everyone's been shocked and traumatized. But 247 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: I personally think that she was trying to be shocking 248 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: for her new podcast. I mean, they used it in 249 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: the promo. It shocks me that she thought that this 250 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: would be something that would be, you know, laughed about. Well, 251 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like it's been good promotion because she's 252 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: already been dropped by multiple brands. One of those brands 253 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: was beauty brand m CO Beauty. They announced they were 254 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: dropping Emma as an ambassador, sharing on the Instagram story. 255 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: It has come to our attention that Emma Clair recently 256 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 1: related story on her podcast discussing an incident of animal 257 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: cruelty from her childhood. We were dismayed by this story 258 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: and will no longer be working with Emma in the future. 259 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: Here at MC Beauty, we take instances like this extremely 260 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: seriously and do not condone animal cruelty of any kind. 261 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 4: Now. 262 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: Lust Minerals also shared that they would no longer be 263 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: working with Emma, saying they were saddened by the events 264 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: that had taken place and do not condone animal cruelty. 265 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: They went on to say, as a company, we take 266 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: matters like this very seriously and have made the decision 267 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: to end all activity with Emma Clair. Well for Last Minerals, 268 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: they had to act quick because they are known as 269 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: a cruelty free makeup brand. Everything is vegue and everything 270 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: is very by the book, So I'm really pleased. 271 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: That they took action when they did. 272 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: What a great move by both of those companies. Glasson's 273 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: and Princess Polly have also distanced themselves from Emma, confirming 274 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: they won't be partnering with her in the future. I 275 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: feel like this is going to have a huge impact 276 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: on her earning ability. A lot of those brands were 277 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: actually contacted by followers who were disgusted by this behavior 278 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: and wanted to let brands know and we're seeing this 279 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 1: more and more people power. What do you guys think 280 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: about that, because last week we discussed how we didn't 281 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: think it was really good, but it depended on the situation. 282 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: In this situation where animal cruelty is involved, I am 283 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: all for people power and them touching base with brands 284 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: because also as a publicist, I think it's incredibly damaging 285 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: for brands to be working with people like that. Well, 286 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: just a day later, after being dumped by numerous brands, 287 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: her tunes suddenly changed, so she wrote on in Instagram, 288 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: Hello friends, I would like to jump on here and 289 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: firstly apologize for the story mentioned in episode one of 290 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: Simply Chaotic. I'm well aware that the story was not 291 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: light humor and in fact very serious. It was not 292 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: intended to come across the way that it did, as 293 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: it was simply a story from the past about an 294 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: accident that I made as a little kid, but I 295 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: can see how it came across like that. I have 296 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: taken time to think about my actions and want to 297 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: confirm that I do have empathy about the situation and 298 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: it's not something I'm proud of, as it really hurt 299 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: myself and my family. Twenty one years ago, what about 300 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: the cats. I am a loving person, it continued to 301 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: all things living, and have since been the most amazing 302 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: cat mum to multiple cats and dogs. I'm now also 303 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: a loving mum to a little baby boy, and I've 304 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: definitely grown up from. 305 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: That little nine year old kid. 306 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: Again, I deeply apologize for those affected by an accident 307 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: that happened in the past, and I. 308 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: Hope we can leave it there. 309 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: Sorry. 310 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: That comment is like, well it happened in the past. 311 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: How many times had she mentioned how old she was 312 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: and that she's grown from an accent exace you're laughing 313 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: about it twenty years ago? A podcast then says I'm 314 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: deeply sorry and this is a serious matter. But the 315 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: day before it was like sorry, not sorry, And also 316 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: I don't. 317 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: Like the way. 318 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: It's like it was not intended to come across this way, 319 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: but basically saying, but that's how you've will take it. 320 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: You'll take it. 321 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: Sorry. They were acting like twat's on their podcast, trying 322 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: to one up each other on how disgusting they could be. 323 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: Like sorry, yeah you won, Emma like you won. It's like, 324 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry that you're offended. 325 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: It's the blame is all on the people who were 326 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: upset by it, not actually she's not taking accountability and 327 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: saying geez, I fucked. I do get that it's shit 328 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: timing because she does have a week old baby, but 329 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure when this podcast itself was recorded, 330 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: and I don't record it when she was pregnant and 331 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: they've just released it. So the thing is I have 332 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: been seeing that as an excuse like, oh, well, hang on, 333 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: remember she has got a one week old baby, and 334 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: you know she is getting piled on, and yeah it 335 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: pylons aren't good. But I do feel like it's important 336 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: to discuss this because it is a very serious case 337 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: of animal cruelty and it's not something that adults be 338 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: then laughing about now, particularly when there's so many defenseless 339 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: animals that are needing homes to seek refuge and there 340 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: are a lot of animals that come in and they 341 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: have been neglected and abuse. Well, I just think it 342 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: shows a lot about a person if they think that 343 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: that's funny twenty years on. I mean, it would be 344 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: something that would probably traumatize you in something that you 345 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: would never want to share with anyone. And I don't 346 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: think the fact that she's had a newborn baby gets 347 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: her off the hook of doing what she's done. 348 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: In very exciting, anxious, overwhelming news, I'm partnering up with 349 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 4: monash IVF who are going to help me freeze my eggs. 350 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: Tully Smyth has been labeled tone deaf after announcing she's 351 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: freezing her eggs as part of a paid partnership with 352 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: monash IVF. Now, Kate, can you tell us a bit 353 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: more well? On Tuesday, Tully shared a series of Instagram 354 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: reels announcing she was partnering with monash IVF to share 355 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: her egg freezing journey, and Tully, who was turning thirty 356 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: six in October, explain that she has always wanted to 357 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: be a mum, but with her partner currently living in 358 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: the US, kids were still a long way off for her. 359 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: Tully got really teary talking about the heartbreak she feels 360 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: every time she sees another person's pregnancy announcement and said 361 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: it was time for her to take her fertility seriously. 362 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: She said her goal was to share every aspect of 363 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: her journey so she can educate, inspire and remove the stigma. 364 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: And I felt really sad watching these reels as you 365 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: could see how painful this topic was for Tully to discuss, 366 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: and she said she felt an element of shame that 367 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: she had failed to reach the milestone of having kids. 368 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: Tully finished up by saying her only regret was that 369 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: she didn't do it sooner, because freezing your eggs is 370 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: the best possible way to give you options now. The 371 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: reaction to Tully's announcement was very mixed. So while her 372 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: reels were flooded with messages of love and support, some 373 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: people felt that the partnership was tone deaf and upsetting. 374 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: So many women struggling with infertility issues shared their upset 375 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: on influencer updates AU's post about the partnership announcement. One 376 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: common we finally got our rainbow baby, but the fact 377 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: that there are so many couples struggling to afford to 378 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: do this, then you get an influencer that people who 379 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: are genuinely struggling can't relate to. This is the most 380 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: unrelatable and tone deaf marketing ad I've ever seen. Give 381 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: your money to couples or individuals who genuinely need it. 382 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: Another person wrote, I'm so upset by this. It really 383 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: hits home. I know so many women who would be 384 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: beyond grateful for an opportunity to get a paid partnership 385 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: to help ease the burden of cost. Author and podcaster 386 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: Aliria Potter commented on the post, writing, ah, okay, so 387 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: I like the intention behind it because it's prompted me 388 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: to think about freezing my eggs. However, this doesn't sit 389 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: well with me, knowing I have friends and family who 390 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: can't afford IVF or really struggled paying for multiple rounds 391 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: of IVF now. Others commented that it was a slap 392 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: in the face of families who desperately need fertility treatment 393 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: but can't afford it, while others were annoyed that Monash 394 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: IVF had bumped an influencer to the top of the 395 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: list and done it for free. I really do want 396 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: to commend the women who are going through their own 397 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: fertility issues to share their opinions on the matter, because 398 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: it really opened my eyes up to the issues surrounding 399 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: this partnership. Because my initial reaction was, oh, I thought 400 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: it was really good and positive because it will really 401 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: start discussions about egg freezing and women's fertility. However, after 402 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: reading women's comments who were directly impacted, by fertility. I 403 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 1: can see the situation is a lot more complicated, and 404 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: I really do feel for anyone who was upset by 405 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: this partnership. I also feel for Tully though, too, because 406 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: I actually think that she is quite a relatable influencer 407 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: in the sense of I know that this commentary is saying, oh, 408 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: it's not relatable to me and my partner, but I 409 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: think Tully represents what a number of young women in 410 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 1: their thirties are going through. They're struggling to meet someone 411 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: at an early age, so they're you know, finding their 412 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: perfect person later in life. Then their career is important 413 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: to them. They don't want to give it up. I 414 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: found it quite a good partnership. And she's also not 415 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: a huge, like high flying influencer. She's spoken a lot 416 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: in the past about how, yes, she does make her 417 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: career influencing, but it's not like she's hugely rich from it. 418 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean, she lives in a one bedroom apartment, her 419 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: partner is overseas. I don't think she would be doing 420 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: as well financially as perhaps some of these people assume. Well, yeah, 421 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: I did feel uncomfortable that the blame was being put 422 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: on Tully, like an individual person, because she's not the 423 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: first influencer to partner with a fertility company. Last year, 424 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: Britt Hotly did a paid partnership. I've seen a lot 425 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: of podcasts having fertility ads on there. I mean, we 426 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: have no idea about Tully's financial situation and whether she 427 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: could afford it or not. In fact, she was the 428 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: one that actually reached out to the company and initiated 429 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: the partnership, which makes me think that it's something she 430 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: perhaps couldn't afford without the partnership. 431 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 2: From a PR. 432 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: Perspective, I can see why Monash went with Tully because Sophie, 433 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: as you said, she does have a really relatable story. 434 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: If they had just plucked somebody from the street that 435 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: might have been on the waiting list and they have 436 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: their own emotional story, the fact of the matter is 437 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have reached so many people. No one would 438 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: be talking about it right now. 439 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: I agree. 440 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: I think what's made it a little bit tricky for 441 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: people to swallow is the fact that she's getting paid 442 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: for it and the service for free. I feel in 443 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: this instance it might have been more appropriate to do 444 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: it as a gifted partnership, where Tully is getting the 445 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: services contra rather than it appears that she made additionally paid. 446 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: That changes things a bit. I didn't know that it 447 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: was a paid partnership. I thought it was a contra 448 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: deal that does muddy the water is a bit more well. 449 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: She's listed it as a paid partnership on her story, 450 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: but she hasn't exactly disclosed what the partnership is, so 451 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: I think that that would be helpful for people. I 452 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: also think it's natural for others who are going through 453 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: a difficult situation to lash out, and it's easy to 454 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: target one person who is the face of something. But 455 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: I do think this needs to be looked at more broadly. 456 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: According to IVF Australia, the estimated out of pocket expenses 457 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: for an initial cycle of IVF in a calendar year 458 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: it's five two hundred and seventy four dollars, and usually 459 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: most people need multiple rounds of treatment. So I think 460 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: that we should be directing this frustration at government bodies 461 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: who are doing more to subsidize the cost of this 462 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: sort of fertility treatment. I agree because did you know 463 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: at the moment egg freezing for non medical reasons is 464 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 1: not subsidized, which is ridiculous. I think that that really 465 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: needs to change because it's such an expensive process, and 466 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: I do hope moving forward with this partnership with Tully 467 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: and Monash IVF that they are more transparent about how 468 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: much it actually costs to freeze your eggs and also 469 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: the success rate. 470 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: Tully did say she would. 471 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 1: Be sharing the ups and downs of the journey as 472 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: well as educating her followers of the process. The sad 473 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: reality is that IVF success declines as women age, even 474 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: if you freeze your embryo or use some fresh The 475 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: latest success rate for IVF for women under thirty is 476 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: twenty one point two percent, while it's sixteen point five 477 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: percent for women age thirty five to thirty nine and 478 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: five point two percent for women age forty to forty four. 479 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: So it's quite clear that IVF is very difficult and 480 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: complex and everyone's experiences are very different. Sadly, many women 481 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: undergo multiple rounds of IVF cycles, which are both very 482 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: emotionally and financially straining. So I do hope during the 483 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: partnership that they are really upfront with these statistics, because 484 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: I would hate for someone to get false hope based 485 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: on Tully's story alone. 486 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 4: All Right, Clake, for having as on the shop It's 487 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 4: so us under bare Headscray. 488 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: Beauty influencer and fashion designer Sammy Robinson has been called 489 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: out for asking fans to work at her brand One 490 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: Miles warehouse sale for free. Sophie, did you go along 491 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: and work for free? Yeah? 492 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 2: When's it all starting? 493 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: I am a big Sammy Robinson fan, but I'm not 494 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: that desperate to go on rub shoulders with her. So 495 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: Sammy's clothing brand one Mile posted an Instagram story looking 496 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: for volunteers. So the story said we are on the 497 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: hunt for volunteers to help us out at our upcoming 498 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: Melbourne warehouse sale, and anonymous influencer account dutch Minty was 499 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: quick to call Sammy out, so she tagged Sammy and 500 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: also one Mile and wrote I'm certain you living it 501 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: up in your Sydney Northern Beaches property. Have an enough 502 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: money to pay these people. Don't be a wanker now. 503 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: That post was also shared by our friends at influencer 504 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: updates Au, which sparked a huge response. So one user 505 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: wrote this is really out of touch with the current 506 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: cost of living crisis. She should be ashamed and embarrassed, 507 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: whilst another said low, you can't flaunch your expensive lifestyle, 508 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: whilst also asking volunteers to work for free. 509 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 2: Read the rusk not a volunteers. Yeah, I mean that's 510 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: a good point. 511 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: Someone else said, volunteers in this day and age, bro 512 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: I do tend to agree with this commentary. Sammy has 513 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: been living it up. She was just in Canada, she's 514 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: now in the US. She's been talking about how she's 515 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: got big meetings about one Mile in the US, so 516 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: the brand is obviously doing very well for itself. Yeah, 517 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: she's also been at Coachella. I just want to know 518 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: if Jordan Simmy has put up his hand to volunteer already. 519 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 2: I'll do anything you want now. 520 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: Sammy and one Mile did not respond to the criticism, 521 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: but instead deleted the post. 522 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: A dirty delete. Yeah now. 523 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: Pedestrian also covered this story and said that they reached 524 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: out to Sammy for comment, but they received no comment. 525 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: And it is interesting to look at one Mile as 526 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: a brand because she did launch it in twenty nineteen, 527 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: so it's been around for four years now. And when 528 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: it was in its startup phase, she ran it out 529 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: of her apartment. She had her best friend Daisy working 530 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: for her on this random pa and now she's really 531 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: grown it into a very established and successful business. She's 532 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: expanded into jewelry, handbags and shoes and they have this 533 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: very large office in Sydney with ten staff. So they 534 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: have also been featured in Australian Fashion Week and the 535 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: clothes are really pricey, so one singleer will set you 536 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: back eighty dollars. 537 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 2: Wow. 538 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: So I think this sort of shows the growth of 539 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: one Mile and the fact that they have enough coin 540 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: to be paying people to work for them. In the 541 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: fashion world though, there'll be massive brands and they will hire, say, stylusts, 542 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: and then the stylists will have a volunteer with them. 543 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: I wonder if it's the same thing where they're thinking, well, 544 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: those young girls or guys that want to get into 545 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: the fashion industry, maybe they want to come along and 546 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: do a bit of volunteer work. 547 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 2: And being an intern is different to just hey can 548 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: you guys randomly company? It actually happens a lot. 549 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: So when I used to work for a PR company 550 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: and they worked very much in fashion, they would constantly 551 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: do callouts for volunteers and UNI students to be clothes dresses, 552 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: so they would help the models get dress quickly. 553 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: They basically run around that. 554 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: Experience would be probably helpful for people that are trying 555 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: to embark in the fashion industry. However, I don't think 556 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: randomly coming down to a Melbourne warehouse and taking cash, 557 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: and usually with an internship, there is an exchange of knowledge, 558 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: so that person may be working for free, but they're 559 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: getting a leg up in the industry and industry knowledge. 560 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: You're not getting much industry knowledge from taking cash at 561 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: a warehouse, but it shows you how willing you are 562 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: to work in an industry when you say that you're 563 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: happy to work for free. The thing is, I think 564 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: that free work does play a role in getting experience 565 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: and growing your own things and being successful. But in 566 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: this instance, I don't think it's fair, particularly with the 567 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: rising cost of living. I mean, I'm sure a lot 568 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: of these people who are probably putting their hand up 569 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: to work, they're living in a mummy and daddy's house. 570 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: But still I think that if you're. 571 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: Still going to go buy ackole on the weekend, I. 572 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: Couldn't afford to feed myself. 573 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: But I did meet Sammy Robinson. 574 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: That I think is it's not like they're even based 575 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: in Sydney, so I highly doubt any of them are 576 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: getting a look in for a job at one Mile eventually. Well, 577 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: the thing it's sort of touted as is, if you 578 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: guys come along and work for free, you can talk 579 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: to Sammy Robinson or rub shoulders with She's probably not 580 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: even going to be there, she's still in California. They 581 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: send Daisy down, They're just like, no, she's in Canada. Yeah. 582 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: It hasn't been a good look for Sammy well, particularly 583 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: because they do a lot of influencer marketing and they 584 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: gift influencers like Steph cleare Smith, who's you know, got 585 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: thirty six million dollars and Jarde Tunci masses of clothing 586 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: for free. So it's not really a good look to 587 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: be giving out millionaires free stuff. And then it's not 588 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: even like it was a contra deal. It's not like, oh, 589 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: you can get some free clothes if you sell them. 590 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: And also, how much like say twenty dollars an hour, 591 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: twenty five dollars an hour, that's probably pretty good for 592 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: a teenager. 593 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: That's very good for it. 594 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: It wouldn't cost that much to us people twelve dollars 595 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: at bake us Delight when I was eighteen. Also, there's 596 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: a lot of insurance around when you are taking on 597 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: interns and volunteers, so I wonder legally how this all 598 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: kind of fits in with the business too. 599 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 3: Well. 600 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank 601 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to another episode of Outspoken, 602 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: and please, if you haven't already, can you go and 603 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: help us out in the reviews. Leave us a positive one. 604 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: We've been inundated with some not so nice ones, so 605 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: we've had some nice ones recently, so thank you for 606 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: those people. 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