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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that wasn't in the studio

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Speaker 1: this morning. We've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: mass Warning Katie. We have got Minister Robin Carl for

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Speaker 1: the CLP. Good morning to you, Robin.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Duran Young for the Labor Party, the

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Speaker 1: Deputy opposition leader.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Duran, Good morning Katie, and good

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Speaker 3: morning to all your listeners.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: Wonderful to have you all in the studio.

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Speaker 1: These so much to discuss this week, but we might

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Speaker 1: actually start with these chaotic scenes in Alice Springs on Monday,

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Speaker 1: a machete wielding teenager running through Yippring Your shopping center

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Speaker 1: and reportedly swinging the weapon as it was reported like

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Speaker 1: a madman. The Australian newspaper saying that an elderly man

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Speaker 1: narrowly avoided being hacked at with this machete which was

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Speaker 1: wielded by this fourteen year old wearing an electronic monitoring device. Now,

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Speaker 1: video as indeed gone nationwide, really of this hooded male

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Speaker 1: swinging at an elderly man and that large machete being well,

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Speaker 1: it was holding the large machete and being chased away

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Speaker 1: by an off duty police officer. Now, as it turns out,

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Speaker 1: two female off duty police officers, is my understanding, the

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister is now writing to the Northern Territory Police

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Speaker 1: Commissioner he'd spoken to us during the week confirming that

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Speaker 1: she's recommended them for Bravery Award, and rightly so. I

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Speaker 1: mean what they did was pretty bloody incredible. To put

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Speaker 1: yourself in harm's way like that when you can see

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Speaker 1: that kind of danger unfolding is mind boggling.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Katie, And this is an appalling, appalling incident and

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Speaker 4: absolutely our community should be outraged as we all are.

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Speaker 2: This should not be happening. It cannot be happening.

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Speaker 4: And we have the alleged perpetrator in custody, which is great.

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Speaker 4: The various steps that will be taken as it's investigated

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Speaker 4: and taken to court will proceed. But I think one

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Speaker 4: of the most important things that we really do need

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Speaker 4: hard to make sure that our community is safe.

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Speaker 2: And how about those two off duty officers.

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Speaker 4: What an incredible act to step in and protect their community.

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Speaker 4: And I can confirm that the Chief Minis has actually

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Speaker 4: written to the Commissioner and recommended they be put forward for.

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Speaker 2: A Bravery award.

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Speaker 7: I agree with you on the actions of those off

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Speaker 7: duty offices. I just question whether, I mean, is this

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Speaker 7: proof that I know you've made a lot of changes

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Speaker 7: when in this space, but is it proof that really

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Speaker 7: it's not working as it should be. This is a

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Speaker 7: fourteen year old kid who, from what I understand, was

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Speaker 7: just three months ago and was monitoring, not given a

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Speaker 7: custodial sentence, and then suddenly is out in the busiest

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Speaker 7: shopping center in Alice Springs wielding a machete.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the previous charges were.

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Speaker 8: You well, I've read that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's certainly my understanding that he was given

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Speaker 7: a good behavior bond only a couple of months ago.

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Speaker 4: Even no, no, I don't know what the circumstances of the

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Speaker 4: good behavior bond were. And we know that we have

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Speaker 4: absolutely tightened up the bail laws in relation to serious

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Speaker 2: Things like dvos.

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Speaker 4: If you breach a DVO, you are going to be

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Speaker 4: reminded to custody. There are always going to be things

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Speaker 4: we can improve on. There are always going to be

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Speaker 4: other steps that we need to take. But the reality

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Speaker 4: phenomenal in a very short space of time.

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Speaker 2: And the most important.

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Speaker 4: Thing for the community to remember is that when we

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Speaker 4: see something that should be actioned, we will take action.

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Speaker 4: And we have proven that time and again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it is a worry though, Like you think

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Speaker 1: know exactly what this person's was, but to then be

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Speaker 1: is just crazy, Like it blows your mind if that

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Speaker 5: Know that this has but it's just crazy, Like it

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Speaker 1: Crazy to think that this is continuing to happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's right, Katie, and I think we've all

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Speaker 3: seen the footage and it's pretty shocking. I was actually

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Speaker 3: it was the unfortunate comment he made was like, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, this isn't the first of these incidents that

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Speaker 3: They haven't felt a drop in these incidents happen. But

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Speaker 3: these types of behavior. He gave me a walk through

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Speaker 3: It's you know, you get thousands of people walking through that.

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Speaker 3: completely back in that the two that stepped in, that

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Speaker 4: They don't know how they'd react in a situation like that,

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Speaker 4: and then when you see people react like that, it's incredible.

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Speaker 4: I just want to touch on something that Duran said there.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely you need to look at how a young person

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Speaker 4: And I can say very confidently with the work that

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Speaker 2: Resolve and change that behavior. And there'll be some.

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Speaker 1: And a story my understanding as well from the Northern

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Speaker 5: He had said that this.

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Speaker 1: Teenager's parents had helped, you know, have worked with the

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, like this is obviously the story that's made headlines

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Speaker 1: also seen a number of teenagers involved in different offending

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Speaker 1: Two of them were nine, then ye got ten year old.

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Speaker 4: I think what you're seeing is the fact that we

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Speaker 5: It's so young.

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Speaker 7: Is a system working as it should be though, because

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Speaker 7: because you know, there's mandatary reporting. If a health professional

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Speaker 7: those notifications as they should be, because we know in

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Speaker 7: the past that that hasn't happened. You know, remember the

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Speaker 4: I can absolutely categorically give the confirmation to you and

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Speaker 4: to the community that I have been forensically looking at

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Speaker 1: Now, it's been an interesting week when it comes to health.

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Speaker 1: the following day. The criticism is never actually of the

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Speaker 1: specialists the health care staff that they're seeing. It's the

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Speaker 1: criticism around not actually being able to get in for

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Speaker 1: you know, for that treatment or having to wait astronomical

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Speaker 1: amounts of time. So we spoke to the CEO of

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Speaker 1: the Health Department about this yesterday, and obviously he had said,

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Speaker 1: you know, there is always going to be concerns. We've

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Speaker 1: got an incredibly busy health care system. We all understand that. However,

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Speaker 1: you know, he did also point to the fact that

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Speaker 1: we're literally, you know, tacking on new parts to this

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Speaker 1: hospital and the reality is that we are going to

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Speaker 1: need a new hospital over the next five to ten years,

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Speaker 1: is what he told us on the show. And we're

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Speaker 1: not talking about it costing millions of dollars. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about it potentially costing billions.

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Speaker 5: Like, how do we get there?

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Speaker 1: You know, how do we get to the point where

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Speaker 1: we've got a healthcare system when you know, when people

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Speaker 1: turn up that they feel confident that they're going to

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Speaker 1: be able to get in and be seen by the

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Speaker 1: incredible healthcare professionals that we've got working well.

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Speaker 4: I think, first up, we have to get the funding right,

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Speaker 4: because that's a good start. And I think that and historically,

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Speaker 4: and I can say this for the many roles I've

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Speaker 4: had over the years, Historically, funding and it doesn't just

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Speaker 4: happen in health, it happens in a number of areas.

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Speaker 4: Historically funding someone on a per capita basis.

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Speaker 2: We know that in the Northern Territory the health.

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Speaker 4: Needs are significantly greater than our per capita basis funding

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Speaker 4: models might be. So we really have to look at

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Speaker 4: what's happening here and we have to persuade the Federal

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Speaker 4: government that this is not just the same size fits all.

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Speaker 4: So you get the funding right, then you get the

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Speaker 4: services right, you.

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Speaker 2: Get the attraction of the right staff here.

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Speaker 4: I think the guys that work in the healthcare system

478
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Speaker 4: do an incredible job. I've watched the services grow over

479
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Speaker 4: the past thirty years and this is not a new

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Speaker 4: discussion and that's not I guess that's the challenge because

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Speaker 4: we continue to take this case to the Federal government

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Speaker 4: and we still are not getting that track.

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Speaker 3: Have you though, because I was down there last week

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Speaker 3: and I'm shocked that Steve Edgington hasn't actually been down

485
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Speaker 3: there to meet with the minister himself, Mark Butler, and

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Speaker 3: you know we actually need after This is my first

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Speaker 3: time down to Canberra, so I actually learned a lot

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Speaker 3: and the machine that Canberra is and.

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Speaker 8: Learning they never wanted to go back there, Well, no,

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Speaker 8: it made me.

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Speaker 3: It's a good point that it made me actually realize

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Speaker 3: the importance of actually being in the minister's face because

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Speaker 3: you know, they're having to represent over twenty million constituents

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Speaker 3: across the country, the Northern Territory being such a small jurisdiction,

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Speaker 3: and it's responsibility of Steve Edgington, the Health Minister, to

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Speaker 3: actually go down there advocate on behalf of Territorians, put

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Speaker 3: a plan in place of what's needed so that we're

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Speaker 3: ensuring that we're getting the right funding for the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: The responsibility of our member Luke Gosling as well to

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Speaker 1: make sure that he's putting our case forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Luke is doing that, but we've got to

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Speaker 3: remember too, like we've seen the urgent care clinics set up,

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Speaker 3: we're seeing funding for an age care center, an age

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Speaker 3: care center that's been set up thanks to Luke advocating

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Speaker 3: for that. But the reality is Steve Edgington is the

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Speaker 3: Health Minister of the Northern Territory and he's responsible of

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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory Health Department, which a ministrates our hospitals

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Speaker 3: up here in the Northern Territory. So he's got the

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Speaker 3: Health Department behind him to actually put a case forward

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Speaker 3: and has those resources behind him to put that case

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Speaker 3: forward to the scene.

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Speaker 1: Though I did say that they've started some of that

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Speaker 1: preliminary work to actually put that case forward in terms

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Speaker 1: of the five to ten year plan for a new hospital.

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Speaker 1: So they've started some of that preliminary work. In terms

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Speaker 1: of trying to get that funding, I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to take an.

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Speaker 5: Awful long time.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like we definitely need to be able to,

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Speaker 1: you know, to walk into gum at the same time

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Speaker 1: in terms of managing an overburdened healthcare system and then

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Speaker 1: trying to get that additional funding or trying to get

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Speaker 1: that happening. I just feel like when we talk about

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Speaker 1: health now, we've reached a point where we everybody.

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Speaker 5: Needs to get to the table and work together. It's

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Speaker 5: a show.

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, Durrant.

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Speaker 4: I've found the best place to actually liaise with my

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Speaker 4: ministerial colleagues and I'm sure Minister Edgington's and this space

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Speaker 4: is not in Canberra. There are lots of other places

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Speaker 4: where we meet and we discuss things. The relationships are

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Speaker 4: quite personal. It's not always a trip to Canberra. You

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Speaker 4: said yourself, I'm sure you had great relationships with your

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Speaker 4: colleagues over the past few years, but you've only just

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Speaker 4: been to camera for the first time. The camera visit's

536
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Speaker 4: probably more of a for show thing.

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Speaker 2: I think there's lots to actually go on behind the scenes.

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Speaker 4: And the reality is we're two hundred million dollars underfunded

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Speaker 4: for the health system and we are funding another two

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Speaker 4: hundred million dollars of services that in other jurisdictions are

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Speaker 4: paid for by the Fed.

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Speaker 3: Can I just respond to that because I don't agree

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Speaker 3: with that, because you actually have an opportunity when you're

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Speaker 3: in canvas during a sittings week to meet with a

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Speaker 3: number of ministers. Because when Parliament is sitting, you not

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Speaker 3: only have the Health minister you can meet with, You've

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Speaker 3: got the age care minister, You've got childcare ministers, you've

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Speaker 3: got Housing minister that all kind of interlinks to the

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Speaker 3: health system. So it's a really good opportunity to actually

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Speaker 3: meet with a number of it of the ministers that

551
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Speaker 3: are all in the one spot, you can advocate on

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Speaker 3: behalf of territories of what's needed to a number of

553
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Speaker 3: ministers because they then take that to Cabinet to make

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Speaker 3: decisions around funding for the Northern Territory. So I would

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Speaker 3: encourage any minister. I don't care if you've a CLP member,

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Speaker 3: I would actually encourage you to go and meet with

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Speaker 3: the ministers in camera because you can get a lot done.

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Speaker 8: I'll just I.

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Speaker 7: Think the bickering between the territory CLP government and the

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Speaker 7: federal label just achieve nothing like seriously, And it's been

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Speaker 7: a little bit undifying to watch it going on between

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Speaker 7: Luke Gosling and Steve Edgington. It's like people just want

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Speaker 7: you guys to get on the same team and get

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Speaker 7: behind what's needed here.

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Speaker 8: And it's the same here, Like I don't think anyone really.

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Speaker 7: Cares whether you're much better to meet with someone in

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Speaker 7: canber or meet with someone or as long as we're

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Speaker 7: getting all on the same page that we need more

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Speaker 7: funding for health in.

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Speaker 8: The Northern So why are we spending all of this

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Speaker 8: time arguing with one another about it? Like, well, it

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Speaker 8: shouldn't be that difficult.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we are going to take a very

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Speaker 1: quick break because there is a lot still to discuss.

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Speaker 5: This morning. You are listening to Mix one O four

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Speaker 5: nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 6: It is the week that was the most listened to

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Speaker 6: our In Territory Radio.

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Speaker 1: It is just on twenty minutes away from ten o'clock.

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Speaker 1: If you've just joined us, see in the studio this morning,

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Speaker 1: Duran Young, Robin Carl and Matt Cunningham. Now this week,

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Speaker 1: we know that a rural Darwin area childcare center and

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Speaker 1: three of its supervisors were charged following the tragic death

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Speaker 1: of a twenty two month old girl. Ebanie Thompson, died

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Speaker 1: after becoming trapped on a fence at the Humpty Doo

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Speaker 1: Community in childcare center in August back in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: and was unaccounted for for up to ten minutes when

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Speaker 1: staff supervision had failed. Now we know that the coroner

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Speaker 1: found that the loop top fence was in a blind

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Speaker 1: spot behind the shed and ruled the death was preventable

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Speaker 1: due to systemic supervision failures. The Education minutester Joe Hersey

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Speaker 1: joined us on the show yesterday. She said that the

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Speaker 1: chargers send a strong message that childcare safety must come first.

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Speaker 1: It is honestly every parent's worst nightmare. It is really

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a really difficult time of your life

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Speaker 1: when your kids are young and you're taking them to

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Speaker 1: childcare and you want to know that when you take

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Speaker 1: them to childcare and they're in that care, that they're

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Speaker 1: going to come home and they're going to come home

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Speaker 1: to you safely.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And you know, my heart absolutely goes out to Ebane's

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Speaker 3: family during this difficult time. You know, no one ever

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Speaker 3: wants to see this happen, I can, you know, I

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Speaker 3: can only imagine how heartbreaking this must be for the

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Speaker 3: family and the friends. But it's also it's been heartbreaking

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Speaker 3: for all of us, to be honest, you know, to

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Speaker 3: see what has occurred here. And you know, every parent

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Speaker 3: has a right to know that when they drop their

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Speaker 3: child off at a childcare center that their child is

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Speaker 3: going to be safe and come home to their to

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Speaker 3: their loved ones. And you know, I just can't imagine

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Speaker 3: the pain that the family are feeling right now. So

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Speaker 3: my heart goes out to them. But we have had

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Speaker 3: a coronial inquest into this which has exposed, you know,

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Speaker 3: a number of regulatory failings in our system, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we'll be doing everything we can to support the Minister

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Speaker 3: ensuring that those failings are set out. I think there's

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Speaker 3: seven or eight recommendations that came out of that in quest.

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Speaker 3: You know, we need to ensure that they're implemented properly.

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Speaker 3: I think we've had a real issue with the regulators

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Speaker 3: for childcare centers. It seems to have been looking through

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Speaker 3: the report and more educational approach to child cares, but

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Speaker 3: you know, we really need to look at that enforcement

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Speaker 3: to ensure that this isn't occurring in our child care centers.

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Speaker 7: It's concerning that when I spoke to Joe Hersey the

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Speaker 7: other day as well, and I think she said that

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Speaker 7: there were some childcare centers that have gone sort of

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Speaker 7: six to eight years without having.

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Speaker 8: Compliance checks, and it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's obviously and you're absolutely right about you know,

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Speaker 7: everyone's sympathy being with Ebity family, but at a national level,

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Speaker 7: you know, it's the horrific things that we've seen in

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Speaker 7: childcare in Victoria in particular. I mean, it would just

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Speaker 7: be an absolute shock and concern to any parent who

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Speaker 7: has their child, you know, at a childcare center. And

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Speaker 7: you know, I think most of us probably have at

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Speaker 7: some stage. And I couldn't speak highly enough of the

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Speaker 7: care that my kids got when they were in childcare

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Speaker 7: here in the Northern Territory. But I tell you, we

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Speaker 7: had a very different experience when we were in Victoria,

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Speaker 7: and I think child care centers can vary from from

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Speaker 7: one to another. I mean, we were really lucky here

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Speaker 7: We're at Nicley Family Center where it was a real

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Speaker 7: it was a family center. You know, like the staff

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Speaker 7: there were like, we're like your children's grandparents were still there, yeah,

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Speaker 7: and still there now, and you know they see the

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Speaker 7: kids all grown up now and they like they have

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Speaker 7: that real bond, Whereas there were places where our kids

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Speaker 7: were in childcare in Victoria where those kids were just

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Speaker 7: a number, Like they were seriously just a number on

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Speaker 7: a spreadsheet. They were a money making device, you would

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Speaker 7: have to say.

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Speaker 4: And regulating childcare first became a priority. It was a

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Speaker 4: number of decades ago now, and I think the situation

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Speaker 4: that you.

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Speaker 2: This kid's being a number.

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Speaker 4: Certainly there were cases there was a national provider who

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Speaker 4: are no longer in business, who were very much much

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Speaker 4: about the numbers, not the children. And I just I'm

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Speaker 4: really pleased to be able to say that Minister Hersey

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Speaker 4: has actually got an agreement that this matter will be

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Speaker 4: put into the agenda for the Education Minister's round table

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Speaker 4: in February. YELP she's canvassing and working with all her

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Speaker 4: state and territory colleagues. This is incredibly important because the

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Speaker 4: regulations are driven at the federal level, even the fencing regulations,

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Speaker 4: so it does make it a bit of a challenge.

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Speaker 2: But I think with the circumstances, with everything.

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Speaker 4: That's been going on in this space, and certainly the

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Speaker 4: terrible tragedy that we had here for Ebony and her family,

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Speaker 4: which we all feel for, I can't imagine what that

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Speaker 4: would be like to not bring your child home from childcare.

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Speaker 4: So we will do everything possible and compliance will absolutely

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Speaker 4: be a.

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Speaker 1: Focus, and I reckon this is one of those areas

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Speaker 1: that we will see absolute you know, you would think

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Speaker 1: no political game playing, you know, from federally here in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. Everybody wants to make sure that our

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Speaker 1: kids are safe. And some of what we've seen over

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Speaker 1: the last few months in terms of what's going on

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Speaker 1: in some of the childcare centers into state has been

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Speaker 1: absolutely horrendous. So I do think it'll be a situation

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Speaker 1: where we have that real you know, coming together and

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Speaker 1: making sure that we get it right for our kids. Now,

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Speaker 1: a real change of pace because one area where it

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Speaker 1: really doesn't look like where I don't know, there's something

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Speaker 1: going on here in terms of not getting the answers

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Speaker 1: from the federal government. The Chief Minister, Leah Fanocchiaro, joined

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Speaker 1: me on the show earlier in the week and she

690
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Speaker 1: said she has had enough of delays from Canberra over

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Speaker 1: appointing the Northern Territory's next administrator. So she told me

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Speaker 1: on Monday that the Territori's nomination has been sitting on

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister's desk since June.

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Speaker 5: Waiting for Federal Cabinet approval.

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Speaker 1: Now she says that the hold up shows disdain from

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Speaker 1: Canberra that they've got for us here in the territory.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola, my producer, had been in contact the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister's office to to get an update on this situation

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Speaker 1: and and well, a department spokesperson for the Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: and Cabinet said the Administrator of the Northern Territory is

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Speaker 1: appointed by the Governor General based on advice from the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory and Australian governments and that yeah, essentially the

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Speaker 1: Australian governments considering the candidate proposed by the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: in line with standard significant appointment process. Does this mean

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Speaker 1: it's somebody controversial, Robert, I don't believe so.

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Speaker 2: I think this just is I'm not sure why there

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Speaker 2: would be to delay.

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Speaker 4: It's very it's very I'd have to kill everybody listening

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Speaker 4: if I said anything. I think it's it's like, it's

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Speaker 4: really unusual. This, this is this is really unusual. This

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Speaker 4: is not what normally happens. This is unprecedented in terms

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Speaker 4: of delay. Normally, by now, with the current administrator's position finishing,

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Speaker 4: I think it's about January.

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Speaker 2: Normally, by now we.

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Speaker 5: No farewell to it.

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Speaker 4: John Farnham, we would know well, we know well hopefully

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Speaker 4: it doesn't mean in the same way as John Farnum.

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Speaker 1: No, well he's yeah, I mean we I guess we're waiting.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It really doesn't make any sense normally. This is just

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Speaker 2: the terror. She puts somebody up.

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Speaker 4: Ye, the PM's office has to essentially rub a stamp

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Speaker 4: it because surely the territory knows who's best to represent

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Speaker 4: the territory. It goes to the gg's office and Bob we.

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Speaker 5: Go from there.

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Speaker 1: Look, we've had some good suggestions, we've had some interesting suggestions.

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Speaker 1: Somebody suggested Matt Cunningham earlier in the week. Somebody else

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Speaker 1: I'd waited for that, someone had suggested me. Somebody had

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Speaker 1: suggested Dave Tolner and Damian Hale, maybe do it as

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Speaker 1: a jewel. Great, it would be well, somebody else had

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Speaker 1: suggested the first the first duo to be the administrator

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Speaker 1: could be stem and Jackie Edwards, and said that nobody

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Speaker 1: else knows everybody in the territory like those Great we

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Speaker 1: had we'd been told it potentially Reese Kershor, the former

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Commissioner and Commissioner of the Australian Federal Police.

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Speaker 5: Oh look, the list goes on.

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Speaker 2: And doesn't it. You know what that says?

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Speaker 4: That says there are so many amazing territorians out there

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Speaker 4: who could do this job standing on their heads.

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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister and the governors.

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Speaker 4: No, definitely conflict, definitely definitely, and I would have to

743
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Speaker 4: leave home.

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Speaker 1: Well look when I mean, I guess we're waiting to

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Speaker 1: find out now from the Prime Minister's or the approval

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Speaker 1: from the PM's office.

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Speaker 5: But how long are we going to wait?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, look, I think it's a bit blown

749
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Speaker 3: out of the water. But left like I respect the

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Speaker 3: role of the administrator, but you know obviously that the

751
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Speaker 3: reality is that there are other priorities that are on in.

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Speaker 4: You're saying the territories administrator is not a priority because

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Speaker 4: they're the person.

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Speaker 8: And it's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Actually represent let's not.

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Speaker 3: Let's not be fooled by the political stunt here. It's

757
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Speaker 3: it's just a complete deflection when you know, we know

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Speaker 3: that it's going to get signed off eventually. It's an

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Speaker 3: administered process that goes to the people.

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Speaker 5: Why are we waiting so long?

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Speaker 7: Why November has it not been signed I can only

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Speaker 7: say to me that there's not that the person who

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Speaker 7: has been put forward is someone who.

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Speaker 2: Has no rush. There is.

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Speaker 4: There is actually a process, and we've actually complied with

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Speaker 4: the process. We've submitted it in the timeframes we are required.

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Speaker 2: To submit it.

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Speaker 4: It's been well beyond what would normally be expected from

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Speaker 4: your career.

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Speaker 8: With me at all.

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Speaker 3: It's not an issue for territory.

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Speaker 8: Surely on the doors they'd be.

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Speaker 5: Talking about this though.

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Speaker 1: The administrator is huge to finish up. What January.

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Speaker 2: When people start taking bets about who it's going to be.

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Speaker 3: Well to know who it is, you make that announcement.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's why the pear hasn't signed off.

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Speaker 5: With Look, we will take a very quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

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Speaker 1: sixty is the week that was Mixed one.

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Speaker 6: At four point nine three sixty, the week that was

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Speaker 6: the most listened to our in Territory radio.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is just five minutes from ten o'clock. Durrance

784
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Speaker 1: had to take off a tiny bit early. But Robin

785
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Speaker 1: Carl of course still in the studio with us, as

786
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Speaker 1: is Matt Cunningham and Robyn Well. Rugby league fans in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory they can market in their calendars. The

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Speaker 1: date has been announced for the Dolphins, the Darwin Dolphins.

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Speaker 5: They're taking on the Penrith Panthers. It's going to be massive.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, do we get a drum roll for the daysman?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Rolind okay I can. It will be the seventeenth.

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Speaker 4: Of April at TiO Stadium, So that is going to

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Speaker 4: be a massive, massive game, first home game here for

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Speaker 4: the Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: We're very excited. You should be excited.

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Speaker 5: Very well. I'll get to see both my brothers which

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Speaker 5: would be nice. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Family family, family reunion in Darwin look out Darwin, all

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Speaker 1: of the Wolves.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe we have to rethink that exactly.

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Speaker 5: You might want to change the location.

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Speaker 1: It's not the only exciting thing happening though. Obviously a

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Speaker 1: bit going on in the AFL as well, Matt. The

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Speaker 1: Suns announced it there well there dates as well, didn't they.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not sure the exactly.

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Speaker 7: It's around nine I think in round ten, so Saint

808
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 7: Kilda and Port Adelaide the Sons will be playing up here.

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Speaker 7: So for that first game again, Sint Kilda should be

810
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Speaker 7: a good one. Saint Kilda have been on a massive

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Speaker 7: recruitment drive, so they'll be They should be one of

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Speaker 7: the contenders next year. And as we know, the Sons

813
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 7: have been on the march up and up. So they

814
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Speaker 7: played their first final series this year just gone and

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Speaker 7: won one of those, so that should be a good game.

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Speaker 7: And then the second game is against Port Adelaide probably

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Speaker 7: you know, not that exciting. Excited I find when you

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Speaker 7: get it's always good here when the Sons play a

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Speaker 7: Melbourne team because a lot of the a lot of

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Speaker 7: the people here support Melbourne team.

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Speaker 8: So last year was great.

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Speaker 7: We had Hawthorne in the Western Bulldogs two really good games.

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Speaker 7: Another sort of non Victorian team. It's usually not as

824
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 7: as as big, not as exciting, but you know, we

825
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Speaker 7: don't want to be two down on it's good. It's

826
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Speaker 7: been good to see Darwin's really got behind the Suns

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Speaker 7: and the Sons have been really successful up here, so

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Speaker 7: that's been a good relationship. Hopefully it continues beyond next year.

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Speaker 4: It's fantastic having those matches here. It's great for the territory,

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Speaker 4: it's great for the locals. It's great to get people

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Speaker 4: in and I will defend the selection.

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Speaker 2: Of Port Adelaide. I know a lot of people who

833
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Speaker 2: do go for them.

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Speaker 4: I don't personally because I'm not really an AFL person.

835
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Speaker 2: I'm more an NFL person. But yeah, I think they'll

836
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: have a great turn out.

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Speaker 7: Well the game in Alice as well, Melbourne and g WS.

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Speaker 5: Yes, oh that's great.

839
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Speaker 1: That's happening in Alice as well. Always wonderful to have

840
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: that high level sport here. We're actually going to catch

841
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: up with the Dolphins captain Tom Gilbert just after ten

842
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: o'clock this morning, find out more about how they are

843
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: feeling coming to the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna have to wrap up.

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00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: That's in for us this morning. Robin Carl, thank you

846
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: as always.

847
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: Can I might have to say Merry Christmas.

848
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 4: I probably won't see you before Christmas, so have a

849
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: good break and I.

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Speaker 1: Will enjoy having a bit of time off, getting a

851
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: little bit of long service leave which will be wonderful.

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00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you for your time

853
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Katie, great to be here, and good luck to

855
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Speaker 7: all the dancers from Royal X who have their concert

856
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 7: on tonight and tomorrow night at Darn Entertainment.

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Speaker 1: A big night, yeah, big night, that'll be massive, huge

858
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Speaker 1: good stuff. And a big thanks to Duran Young for

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Speaker 1: joining us this morning as well.