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Speaker 1: As I keep saying, this situation is quite an unprecedented

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Speaker 1: And joining us in the studio is the Chief Minister

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Speaker 2: Good morning to your chief.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, into your listeners.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, it's been one heck of a

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Speaker 3: So the community is just beautiful.

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Speaker 4: They're amazing and strong and resilient, and yesterday I got

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Speaker 4: hardest hit house and they had about forty volunteers there

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Speaker 4: over the course of the day, and they were you know,

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Speaker 3: So there's plenty of work to happen.

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Speaker 4: It's still got a lot of water, Like we had

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Speaker 2: So what are we expecting this morning? Are we expecting that?

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Speaker 1: You know, the wood had been that it's going to subside,

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Speaker 4: Or a lot of rime, that's right. So there was

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Speaker 4: So if it's just raining and Catherine, that's not so bad.

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Speaker 4: It's just unbelievable volumes of you know, brown, swirling, rushing

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Speaker 4: It's all headed for the daily, so there is much

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Speaker 4: We can assess damage. Power and water have done a

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are certainly thinking of all of our

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Speaker 1: While it seems that hopefully the worst is over for Catherine,

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Speaker 2: Say, all right, Chief Minister.

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Speaker 2: We now know that they.

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Speaker 1: Say that is due to the flash flooding in what

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Speaker 1: is an unprecedented situation when the dam has never been

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Speaker 1: so full. What's the latest that Power and Water is

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Speaker 1: telling you in terms of the you know, the contingency.

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Speaker 2: So we've got in place.

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Speaker 3: Here, that's right.

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Speaker 4: So and I actually flew over the dam as well,

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Speaker 4: the overflow. But so because of that flash flooding in

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Speaker 4: what that did is flooded the pump station. So Power

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Speaker 4: and we're making assessments. The Territor Tree Emergency Management Committee

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Speaker 4: clear on this. We've asked all of the very large uses,

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Speaker 4: which are your big corporates or government uses, to severely

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Speaker 4: restrict today. What we're asking every day mums and dads

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Speaker 4: and territories is to be responsible. If everyone really just

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Speaker 4: pulls back on unnecessary water usage. What we can do

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Speaker 4: is by time for the tradees who are on site

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Speaker 4: right now to be able to get that gear.

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Speaker 2: But how much time do they need.

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Speaker 4: I think it's about twenty four to forty eight hours.

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Speaker 4: But Power and Water we'll be doing a press conference

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Speaker 4: at twelve thirty today, so we'll have the most up

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Speaker 1: Well hopefully we've got it before then because we do

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Speaker 1: have further info. I mean, Chief Minister, do people need

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Speaker 1: to be going up buying water fi filling the bathtubs?

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Speaker 2: At this point?

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Speaker 4: What we need is just as little usage as possible.

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Speaker 4: So if people feel more comfortable buying water, of course

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Speaker 4: you can. This is not an urgent situation though. What

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Speaker 4: we're just asking is people not having long showers, certainly,

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Speaker 4: don't need to be doing laundry today or running the dishwasher, don't,

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Speaker 4: So just being a little bit more mindful, and if

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Speaker 4: the corporates doing the heavy lifting and the bringing on

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Speaker 4: of the ball fields will be fair.

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Speaker 1: And so those corporates have been asked to really not use.

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Speaker 4: Yeah a lot of water, correct today And that happened

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Speaker 1: In terms of redundancies, though, as I understand it, we

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Speaker 1: then using the other ball fields at this point in time.

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Speaker 1: But like, how many days do we have up our

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, that's a good question for power and water

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Speaker 4: when you've got them on at eleven Katie, I'm sorry

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Speaker 4: I don't know that information. But my understanding is is

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Speaker 4: the redundancy planning is well enacted. People worked through the night,

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Speaker 4: so that is all very very advanced to be getting

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Speaker 1: Are you confident that they're going to get this sorted

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Speaker 1: and that we're not going to end up without water?

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Speaker 3: I am? I am, Katie.

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Speaker 4: If everyone does the right thing and supports each other

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Speaker 4: through this and just be is a bit more responsible today,

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Speaker 4: I think we'll.

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Speaker 3: All be fine.

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Speaker 2: What happens if they can't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Katie, but we won't get to that,

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Speaker 4: there's no we can't. We will and I'll make sure

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Speaker 4: of it, my bloody hope.

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Speaker 1: So especially when we've got such an enormous amount of

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Speaker 1: water falling from the sky and I get it, it's unprecedented,

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Speaker 1: but it is worry indeed. Now tell me I want

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Speaker 1: to I just want to sort of speak a little

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Speaker 1: bit about the day to day as well. Here very quickly,

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Speaker 1: we know that the nightcliff by election happened over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: It's looking as though he'd smell just pick that seat up.

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Speaker 1: It did look like there was a drop in primary

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Speaker 1: you worried about that?

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Speaker 4: No, Look, this is not our seat to lose, Katie,

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Speaker 4: and we congratulate ed on his win. Labor have held

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I've been focused on other things I can

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Speaker 4: But of course that happened, and you know we'll welcome

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Speaker 2: So not a loss for you.

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Speaker 1: You don't feel as though it's any skin off your nose.

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Speaker 3: No, No, this wasn't one for us to lose.

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Speaker 4: And you know, our mandate is still very very clear,

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Speaker 4: our mission is still clear, and there's no change from

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Speaker 4: US Territorians. We'll see us focusing on reducing crime, rebuilding

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Speaker 4: the economy, restoring our lifestyle as we promise.

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Speaker 1: Well, she's been I know you've got to get into

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Speaker 1: Parliament really quick. One from Bill Ingray. He said, Katie,

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Speaker 1: could you ask Leah why are the fuel stations ripping

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Speaker 1: us off? I've been watching one in Palmerston and its

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Speaker 1: prices have been going up daily and I'll bet they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty horrific.

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Speaker 4: And Treasurer Bill Yan was absolutely scathing of what's going on.

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Speaker 4: There's really no reason for these prices to be going

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Speaker 2: Day levers that can be pulled though.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, you know we obviously from opposition, we were

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Speaker 4: looking at some levers around fuel pricing transparency. So if

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Speaker 4: by territorians, we can bring all of that back on

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Speaker 2: And is that something that you're considering.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm looking at it today more closely. My mind

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Speaker 4: has been in obviously the floods. But I am getting

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Speaker 4: briefings later this afternoon about what the situation is. But

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Speaker 4: it's a warning to all of the fuel service stations

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Speaker 4: We are watching and we will take what measures need

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I.

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Speaker 1: Reckon, it's the poor buggers that are behind the counter

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Speaker 1: that are probably helping us. You know, you've got these

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Speaker 1: You've got these big corporates that couldn't give a shit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's disgusting, It's really disgusting, Katie, And it's unterritorian,

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Speaker 4: and that's what cuts the deepest. So people need to

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Speaker 2: Well, well, i'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: I was out at fuel Express this morning, which is

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Speaker 1: hope that others continue to do the same, Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: really quickly. Parliament resuming this week despite all that is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so today is a big day.

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Speaker 4: We've got our domestic violence legislation where we are increasing

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Speaker 4: I want to be really clear. This is for people

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Speaker 4: opportunity to be on parole before twenty five years. Life

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Speaker 4: direction to putting the rights of victims.

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Speaker 1: So pushback from domestic violence groups, I mean, what do

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Speaker 4: Them, Yeah, I just I can't understand the justification to

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Speaker 4: really unjustifiable. What we are talking about is people who

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Speaker 4: is instead of them at twenty years popping their hand

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Speaker 4: we're saying no, you can sit there for twenty five

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Speaker 4: and then we'll talk about it. So I really don't

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Speaker 4: understand the justification by the opposition leader or the DV

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister la FINOKR will let you go. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning, much appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Heay care and please everyone a little bit of water

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Speaker 3: today only