1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Already and this is the daily This is the daily, 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This is. 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 2: The Daily OS. 4 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Oh, now it makes sense. 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday, 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 3: the fourteenth of May. 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: I'm Zara, I'm Sam. 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 3: The Federal government has announced a plan to ban the 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 3: export of live sheep from Australia. Comes after an independent 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: panel urged the government to introduce a van. 11 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: Live sheep exports will be banned in Australia from May 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: twenty to twenty eight. 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 4: Farmers are criticizing the Federal government's decision to ban live 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 4: sheep exports. A one hundred and seven million dollars of 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 4: full package has been announced to help the industry as 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 4: the practice is phased out. Ships of Shames Love Exports. 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: In today's podcast, we're gonna outline exactly what the issue is, 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: how this band came to be, and what the fallout 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 3: has been since. Before we get there, though, Sam, what's 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: making headlines? 21 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: Some really dramatic footage from Newcastle after a plane was 22 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: forced to make an emergency landing on Monday. The airport 23 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: there will reopen today. Three people were on board the 24 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: small craft when its pilot reported issues with the plane's 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: landing gear. It circled Newcastle for around two hours before 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: a fuel shortage forced the pilot to attempt a risky 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: wheels up landing. Emergency services were standing by on the ground. 28 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Police praise the pilot's smooth landing as a great result. 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: The New South Wales government has launched an inquiry after 30 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 3: nearly eight hundred thousand residents failed to vote in last 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: year's state election. That's around a whopping ten percent of 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: the state's total population, according to the Bureau of Statistics data. 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: The probe we'll look at reforms to boost voter participation. 34 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: Special Minister of State John Graham called this gap of 35 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: people who were entitled to vote but didn't alarming. 36 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: Russia has a new defense minister after President Vladimir Putin 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: replaced Sergei Shoigu with economist and former Deputy Prime Minister 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: Andre Belosov. Shoigu spent twelve years in the role and 39 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: was considered a close pudent. Ally, he's been moved from 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: the defense portfolio to Russia's Security Council. The shift is 41 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: being described as one of Russia's most significant leadership changes 42 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: since it launched its invasion of Ukraine in twenty twenty two. 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: And today's good news. Conservationists have discovered a turtle species 44 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: nesting on Australia's East coast for the very first time. 45 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: Olive Ridley turtle hatchlings have been recorded on a beach 46 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 3: in the Queensland town of Mackay. 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Thank you, and now back to the deep dive. 57 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: So, Sam, there was some very big news over the 58 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: weekend with the federal government announcing a plan to ban 59 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: the export of live sheep from Australia. Now this isn't 60 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: something that's going to come into effect overnight. We still 61 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: have quite a process ahead of us. So the draft 62 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: laws are expected to be introduced by next year, and 63 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: then the legislation will come into effect from May twenty 64 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: twenty eight. So we're looking at quite a process here, 65 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: and this all comes about after an independent panel urged 66 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: the federal government to actually introduce a ban on this. 67 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: Okay, So for people who aren't familiar with this topic, 68 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: let's go back. What do you mean when you say 69 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: live sheep exports? 70 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: So I think a good starting place is to highlight 71 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: the fact that Australia sends a lot of things overseas. 72 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: We send coal, iron, wine, meat, and sometimes animals for meat. 73 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: So when we're talking about the live export of sheep, 74 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 3: we're referring to the commercial transport of livestock overseas. Now, 75 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: if you're wondering why Australia would be sending sheep that 76 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: are well living overseas, it's because livestock exports are used 77 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 3: by countries whose domestic agricultural industries can't meet demand for meat, 78 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: so they look elsewhere and they're finding a way to 79 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 3: bolster their own means. And there are a number of 80 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: reasons why this might be necessary. Sometimes it's a matter 81 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: of not having the right cooling facilities to actually store 82 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: packed meat domestically, and so they need to import this livestock. 83 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: Other times it's about culturally specific slaughtering practices. So in 84 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: some religions, for example, animals need to be slaughtered in 85 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: a certain way. 86 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: Right, And it's a big industry, right. 87 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 3: It certainly has been in the past. Give you a 88 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: sense of the financials. Live sheep exports accounted for seventy 89 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: seven million dollars in the twenty twenty two to twenty 90 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 3: three financial year, okay, but that was quite dramatically down 91 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: from where it had been. So at its peak it 92 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: was three hundred and thirty eight million dollars. That was 93 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty three. It's quite a steady decline there. 94 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 3: At that point, seven point three million sheep were exported 95 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 3: from Australia and that was thanks to this increased demand 96 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: for meat that we were seeing in the Middle East. 97 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: But as other countries have built up their own kind 98 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: of capabilities internally to do this themselves, they don't need 99 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: to be importing the same levels that they once were, 100 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: and so as a result we've seen the demand for 101 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: Australian live sheep exports really drop quite dramatically and what 102 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: are the. 103 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: Key criticisms of this industry. 104 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so these practices have faced a lot of scrutiny 105 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 3: over the years. This is by no means a new 106 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 3: idea and there have been a lot of animal welfare 107 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: concerns over the sport of live sheep. 108 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: I distinctly remember a Four Corners episode about this. 109 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 3: So in twenty eleven, the Gillard Labor government, who was 110 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 3: in government at the time, banned live cattle exports to 111 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: Indonesia after footage of mistreatment became public. The band was 112 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: later overturned, but tighter restrictions were imposed on shipping conditions 113 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: and abatoire conditions in those receiving countries. Then, in twenty seventeen, 114 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: twenty four hundred sheep died from heat stress and other 115 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 3: causes on their way from Wa to the Middle East. 116 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: At the time, the then Agriculture Minister David Littelproud, who 117 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 3: you'll be familiar with he's now the leader of the Nationals. 118 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: At the time, he said he was shocked and gutted 119 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: by that incident. Further reforms to limit the risk of 120 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: heat stress on sheep exports were implemented then in twenty nineteen. 121 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: These included not allowing as many sheep onto ships in 122 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: summer time obviously when Totter launching an investigation if more 123 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: than one in every one hundred sheep dies, and also 124 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: in iplementing tougher penalties for companies that broke any of 125 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 3: those rules. So that was introduced in twenty nineteen. 126 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: And then there was an incident this year, right. 127 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so earlier this year an export ship with thousands 128 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: of livestock on board spent several weeks stranded off the 129 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: coast of Wa in heat wave conditions. So this issue 130 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: has been a really big one for many years. I 131 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: mean we spoke earlier of the Gillard government, So it's 132 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: been over a decade of governments having to come to 133 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: terms to deal with this issue. That there are animal 134 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: rights concerned about the way that these sheep are being 135 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: treated when they are being exported, and there have been 136 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: many calls for the practice to end. 137 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: And now we've seen this weekend some major movement from 138 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: the government. What did the government do? 139 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: So the government's response begins back in March last year 140 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: when they appointed an independent panel to examine what a 141 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: proposed ban on live sheep exports would look like. So 142 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: the panel's final report was then handed down in October 143 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: of last year, and it recommend and did a transition 144 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: away from live sheep exports towards a total ban by 145 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight. So that's where this idea of a 146 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: phased approach came from. And then over the weekend the 147 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: federal government announced that it would accept that recommended. 148 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: Ban, right, so that was the big announcement there. 149 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a really big deal. I think on 150 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: the one hand, there have been lots of calls for 151 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: it over a long period of time, and on the 152 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: other this is a lot of people's livelihoods and there 153 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: are some concerns about the way that this could be 154 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: phased out and what it will mean for jobs. The 155 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: government's promised one hundred and seven million dollars for the 156 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: transition as we phase out of live sheep exports. Most 157 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: of this will go towards helping farmers to expand domestic 158 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: practices to prepare for the ban and what that will 159 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 3: do financially for them. 160 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: And I assume that's why there's that couple of years 161 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: runway to get over. 162 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: You can't do it overnight, and certainly none of the 163 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: recommendations suggested they do. 164 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: That, and so what's the response been to such a 165 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: major policy. 166 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: I'd say very different depending on where you sit on 167 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 3: this issue. Quite a divisive issue. So Wa is the 168 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 3: main state where liveship exports take place, and it's the 169 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: state where this proposal has been the most unpopular, at 170 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: least at a political level, I mean, not surprisingly, but 171 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 3: it is interesting to note that it is a labor 172 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: government in power there, and we have a labor government 173 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 3: in power federally, I mean we have a labor government 174 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: almost everywhere except Tasmania. And the Premier of Wa, Roger Cook, 175 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 3: has come out pretty strongly against the ban, saying it's 176 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 3: going to negatively impact the state's regional communities. He flagged 177 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: possible job losses, and he argued that the federal government's 178 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: transition funding isn't going to go far enough to support 179 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: farmers and the economy. So again a labor premier in 180 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: Wa pushing back against the federal government's announcement. Here in 181 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: sticking with Wa, the opposition leader Shane Love also opposed 182 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: the ban and accused the federal government of shutting Wa 183 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 3: farmers out of the decision. So pretty uniform opposition they're 184 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: in Western Australia if we go back to a federal level. 185 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: National's leader and Shadow Agriculture Minister David little Prowd, who 186 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: I mentioned before, he said that the Coalition would reverse 187 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: the ban if it wins next year's election, and he 188 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 3: echoed Premier Cook's concerns about job losses. One of the 189 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: other points that David little Prowd's been making is that 190 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: the trade will continue with worse welfare practices elsewhere. So 191 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: this is the whole idea of you know, a black 192 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 3: market and unregulated and what happens if you just can't 193 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: see what's happening, and that there will be worse standards 194 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: for animals if we can't regulate it at all because 195 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 3: it's banned. That sort of sentiment is echoed by the 196 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: National Farmers Federation. They've said it will negatively impact trade 197 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: partnerships in the Middle East and it will lead to 198 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: poorer animal welfare outcomes for sheep exported from other countries. 199 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So, either on the state or a federal level, 200 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: there's not a huge amount of political support here. I mean, 201 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: obviously the government's in support of their own policy, but 202 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: besides from them, there's not a heap. 203 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 3: Well, I will just say that the government in spooking 204 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 3: this ban has been citing a figure that was by 205 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 3: McCrindle research from last year that said that seventy one 206 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 3: percent of West Australians want live sheep exports by c 207 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 3: to end right. So, I mean that's the kind of 208 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: social capital they're looking at. 209 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: And we can separate then the political response from what 210 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: the government says is the population response. But I do 211 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: think we also need to talk about the response of 212 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: animal rights activists. Yes, what are they saying in response 213 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: to the government's policy. 214 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, as expected, they are fully supportive of the 215 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: government's policy. RSPCA Australia strongly welcomed the ban, which CEO 216 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: Richard Mussel described as a clear plant phase out a 217 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 3: cruel and unfixable industry. The group said that the government 218 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: knows and the majority of Australians know that live sheep 219 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: export is unsustainable, unjustifiable and completely unnecessary in modern Australia. 220 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: The RSPCA also commended the government on the hundred and 221 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: seven million dollars that was the funding I said was 222 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 3: going to go to help that transition to chain. Yeah, 223 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: so they said that funding like this was critical to 224 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: the success of the phase out, and yeah, they were 225 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: supportive of that measure, as with many other proposals that 226 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 3: we speak about on the podcast. I do just want 227 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: to highlight though, before we end that the government still 228 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: needs to introduce legislation, then it needs to pass and 229 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: only then does it become the law. So still a 230 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 3: bit to go before that's the case, and nothing is 231 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 3: set in stone at this point, so definitely one to 232 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: keep an eye on. 233 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: It's catching me off guard at the moment a little 234 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: bit when you're referring to a federal election being a 235 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: year away. I mean we're almost now into kind of 236 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: election season here in Australia when we're watching it overseas 237 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: in the US, and we're going to see more announcements 238 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: geared towards that election. Thank you Zara for explaining that 239 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: to us, and thank you for listening to this episode 240 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: of The Daily Os. I'd love to know what you 241 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: think about the topics that we've talked about today, and 242 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: if there's any topics you think we should talk about 243 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: in the future. We're going to come back to you 244 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: again tomorrow. He'll then have a great day. 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