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Speaker 1: And live in the studio with us this morning is

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Speaker 1: the Police Association President Nathan Finn.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Finny.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katy, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Bete. It's good to see you now we know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've spoken extensively over the last week or

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Speaker 1: so about about Parliament resuming next week. It's resuming for

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Speaker 1: the first time since the Northern Territory election and the

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Speaker 1: Colp government. They're wasting no time with plans to introduce

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Speaker 1: a huge amount of legislation, including ram raid legislation lowering

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Speaker 1: the age of criminal responsibility Declan's Law. We also saw

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Speaker 1: some changes yesterday when it comes to public to the

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Speaker 1: public drinking Phinny. First off, I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: about the new ram raid laws.

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Speaker 2: They're going to carry up to ten years jail.

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Speaker 1: They're going to be debated and passed next week now.

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Speaker 1: Under this new legislation, police are going to be able

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Speaker 1: to charge offenders who have stolen a vehicle and used

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Speaker 1: it as a weapon to damage property or gain entry

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Speaker 1: to a building, the brand new offense, which attracts up

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Speaker 1: to ten years behind bars. I guess some examples of

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Speaker 1: property are business, homes, police and private vehicles.

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Speaker 2: What does it mean for police from your perspective?

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Speaker 3: Definitely great questions to ask. And we've been pushing a

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Speaker 3: lot of this stuff for a long time, Katie, and

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Speaker 3: the letters of changes are coming through and the COLP

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Speaker 3: have been very busy since taking government and been proactive

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Speaker 3: in respect to making sure that our police are getting

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Speaker 3: what they need and also the community gets what they

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Speaker 3: need and make sure there's protections in place to make

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Speaker 3: sure that people in the community are safe and secure

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Speaker 3: and they're going to end up as victims, well hopefully

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Speaker 3: not as victims further on, but they're also protecting our

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Speaker 3: police and making sure that they've got the powers to

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Speaker 3: do what they actually do and help people responsible for

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Speaker 3: what they do.

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Speaker 1: And I guess Tom, we won't really know just how

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Speaker 1: well it's going to work or what the outcome might

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Speaker 1: be until we maybe see that first case go through.

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Speaker 3: Court, do you reckon, Yeah, definitely, until we see it

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Speaker 3: go through court and we see the de terrence actually

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Speaker 3: that's put in place by the court and the sentencing

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Speaker 3: for that offending. We've seen time and time again and

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Speaker 3: these vehicles being targeted by stolen motor vehicles being rammed,

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Speaker 3: objects being thrown at police vehicles, being planets thrown at

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Speaker 3: police officers. We've seen ram rated at police facilities across

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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory as well. This has to stop and

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Speaker 3: there needs to be at a terrence in place, and

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Speaker 3: everyone out there that's winging that they're making all these

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Speaker 3: strict changes, I ask yourself, put yourself in the situation

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Speaker 3: which some of our members are placed in every single day,

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Speaker 3: where they're placed in danger and people in the community

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Speaker 3: as well being victims of these crimes. Continually. Something needs

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Speaker 3: to change. We can't just keep going along expecting different

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Speaker 3: results from the same legislation we had well.

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Speaker 1: And the fact is, you know, like whether some of

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Speaker 1: whether some people like it or not, people voted this

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Speaker 1: way and the COLP was actually really clear in their

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Speaker 1: mandate and what they were going to do when it

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Speaker 1: came to crime. And I know that we're obviously getting

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Speaker 1: further detail of that now, but they were very upfront

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Speaker 3: Us definitely, and again I take my hat off to them.

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Speaker 3: It's a strong care campaign. They run the overwhelming majority

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Speaker 3: of the Northern territory community voted for them on the

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Speaker 3: policies that they put forward in the election campaign. They're

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Speaker 3: coming through with these, with the commitments they made prior

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Speaker 3: to the election, and they're posting this. It's great work.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of work going on behind the scenes,

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Speaker 3: too madly rush to get this into Parliament for the

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Speaker 3: next week, for the earlier the sittings, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of work going on behind the scenes to get this

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Speaker 3: legislation up to spec to make sure. We've had a

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Speaker 3: number of meetings with the Colp government, with Leah herself

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Speaker 1: How different is that for you comparatively to the former government.

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Speaker 3: It's a remarkable difference, Katie, and I take my hat

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Speaker 3: off to them. If there's ever an issue, there's a

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Speaker 3: phone call that's made to make sure that we're happy

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Speaker 3: and police members are being supported to do the role

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Speaker 3: that they need to do and they're desperately crying out

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Speaker 3: for this. For a number of number of years, especially

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Speaker 3: around the assault of a frontline workers which is going

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Speaker 1: So are we expecting minimum mandatory sentencing for those who

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Speaker 1: assault frontline workers.

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Speaker 3: I'd hate to steal the thunder of the government, but

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Speaker 3: in respect to that as well, we're going to see

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Speaker 3: some actual deterrence for members that choose to assauld or

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Speaker 1: You are listening to mix Fallow four nine's three sixty, Well,

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Speaker 1: won't's dry that again? I don't know what's going on

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Speaker 1: for some gremlins in the system.

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Speaker 3: I think it might be the labor party still trying

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Speaker 3: to censor me. I'm sure, Brent or Eva's out there

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Speaker 3: trying to shut me up, but.

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Speaker 2: I think they care what you say. Now, they'll be

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Speaker 2: hoping you go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, definitely, But obviously supporting the CLP government

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Speaker 3: too much and the new Chief Minister.

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Speaker 1: But what a pain in the in the bottom for

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Speaker 1: both of us. There were right in the middle of

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Speaker 1: a good discussion. We're talking about mandatory sentencing for frontline

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Speaker 1: workers and you were talking about why this is required.

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Speaker 1: You didn't want to steal the Chief Minister's thunderus she's

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Speaker 2: But it's absolutely needed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, It's something your members have been asking for

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Speaker 3: for a long long time. We finally feel like we're

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Speaker 3: getting listened to and our members are out there and

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Speaker 3: to hit that support and that deterrent in place to

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Speaker 4: Finny.

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Speaker 1: One of the other big changes we know, the government's

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Speaker 1: got plans to relower the age of criminal responsibility. This

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Speaker 1: has been met with criticism from some groups advocating for

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Speaker 1: the rights of young people. They say that it's actually

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Speaker 1: not going to make a big difference and that it

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Speaker 1: could indeed really put a child on the path, you know,

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Speaker 1: to a life of being involved in crime. What do

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Speaker 1: like do you think it's going to make a difference.

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Speaker 3: I think as a differently, I believe that the young

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Speaker 3: committing criminal offense as a ten year old? And we're

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Speaker 3: sick of the revolving door around the youth crime of

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Speaker 3: us returning to response adults hang on, if they were

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because over the recent days I've actually had

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Speaker 1: nieces and nephews have been you know, have gotten themselves

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Speaker 1: in trouble, and they're basically saying they want that help.

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Speaker 1: You know, for some of them, they're like, we're not

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Speaker 1: actually able to get any help from well, let's you know,

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Speaker 1: for example, family and community services to be able to

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Speaker 1: right track. So to me, it seems like the system's

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Speaker 1: failing us in so many ways currently, so.

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Speaker 3: Many ways we're not identifying the people the children at

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Speaker 3: risk at an early age. We see it time and

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Speaker 3: time again, Katie, where the responsible adult there's no responsibility

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Speaker 3: for these children from a young age. It's not just

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Speaker 3: about the ten and twelve year olds community criminal offenses,

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Speaker 3: but there's no responsibility for those kids growing up. They're

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Speaker 3: not providing that the background or the nurturing, the education

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Speaker 3: going forward for them to make the right decisions later

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Speaker 3: in life. But if we can have them before the

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Speaker 3: court where they have a manatory obligation to put these

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Speaker 1: Finny, what do police currently have to do if a

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Speaker 1: child under the age of twelve commits a.

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Speaker 3: Crime potentially as you hear they've been dealt with other

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Speaker 3: visions of you Justice Act, they've been referned to a

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Speaker 3: There's no they have to actually consent to that process

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Speaker 2: I think people expect that, and we all.

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Speaker 3: Expect that, we would expect that with their own children, Katie,

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Speaker 1: And when I say I think people expect that, you know,

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Speaker 3: Them, because definitely they're still coming into contact with police.

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Speaker 1: From what police tell you, from what officers on the

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Speaker 3: It's a sad fact of the Northern Territory. It's a

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Speaker 3: Why don't you want to be at home? Is there

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Speaker 3: They don't want to lock up every single kid. They

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Speaker 2: I want to move on to Declan's Law now.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is a good idea?

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Speaker 3: Definitely, it's going to be a deterrent. But the converse

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Speaker 3: We've already seen a large number of prisoners being held

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Speaker 3: They're court outcomes that need to be taken seriously, do.

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Speaker 1: We know how quickly those watchises are going to be

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Speaker 3: previous governments. We've been arguing for this for some time.

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Speaker 3: We know daw And watchas is solely used for corrections.

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Speaker 3: We've seen the escape from there recently. We're also seeing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are they saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like obviously concerned because it's so busy, but

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Speaker 3: It's hard to do your own business when you've got

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Speaker 2: Finny, another quick one.

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Speaker 1: We know that as part of the Decklan's Law changes,

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Speaker 2: They can now do this in.

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Speaker 1: More public places, not just high risk areas, including public

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. When this legislation was first placed the Labor government,

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Speaker 3: If police are excited of that, and everyone's worried about

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, just with the mandatory minimum

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Speaker 1: With every single You've heard and seen about it way

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Speaker 3: I don't believe there was an outcome. I don't believe

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Speaker 1: That was one of the more horrifying incidents. I thought

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Speaker 2: But it was just a really I thought to myself, how.

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Speaker 1: Would you go to work every day after something like

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Speaker 3: It's hard enough to get the solder when you're conducting

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Speaker 3: It makes you guarded, it makes you doubt obviously your

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Speaker 3: But our members don't want to go to work to

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Speaker 3: we're supporting our frontline staff that are doing the hard

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Speaker 3: They're not the ones running away from the events. They're

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Speaker 2: In hand well.

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, President of the Northern Territory Police Association, always

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Speaker 1: good to catch up.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Caddie. That disruption, that's the disruption's fine and

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Speaker 2: Just trying still I no, definitely.

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Speaker 3: Not to the men and women out there to continually.

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Speaker 3: We're aiming to make sure that you're supported and make

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Speaker 3: you and make sure that you're supported. So thank you Katie,

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Speaker 3: and thank you for having me on. And I appreciate

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Speaker 3: thank you very much for having on.

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Speaker 2: No worries. Good on you Finny, Thanks so much for

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