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Speaker 1: Now the Cyclone Tracy monument, it's now being described by

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Speaker 1: Convact Scalus Territorians were left quite confused as to what

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Speaker 1: exactly the council is planning. Now we'd also seen in

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Speaker 1: So look, if you miss the interview with convat Scarlets

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not going to be a monument. It's going

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Speaker 2: actually it shows the forces of nature and that was

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Speaker 3: So what is this?

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Speaker 1: Is it a monument for cyclone tracing? So why has

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Speaker 1: it been referred to with you properly? So we're getting

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Speaker 1: seven So seven hundred thousand dollars is going to a

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Speaker 1: public artwork, absolutelyublic artwork for what public heard.

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Speaker 2: The same way that the Jellyfisi in front of the.

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Speaker 4: East Points.

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Speaker 1: So is out funding from the federal government in any

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you and I have said before, this is

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Speaker 4: Approve this do so.

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Speaker 3: That was the Lord me.

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Speaker 1: That's part of what the Lord mayor Convat Scalas had

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Speaker 3: Good morning to your brandning.

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Speaker 4: Katy, and morning to all the parents on school holidays.

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Speaker 1: I get shout out to all the parents on school

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Speaker 1: Now, Minister you started a petition last week after hearing

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Speaker 3: What's been the response?

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Speaker 5: Check this morning, Cady over one thousand see injuries about

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Speaker 5: one thousand and thirty three, and I understand that it's

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Speaker 4: I'm not an art connoisseur.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't here for Tracy, so I couldn't say what

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, people do not seem happy with it at all.

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Speaker 3: Now we know.

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Speaker 1: We had Cyclone Tracy survivors make contact with us last

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Speaker 1: Now it reads fifty years after Cyclone Tracy devastated Darwin.

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Speaker 3: By local artists for East Point.

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Speaker 1: Now, from what I'm reading, the federal governments obviously provided

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Speaker 1: Too from here though, Brent, because it seems as though

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Speaker 3: You are urging them to reconsider.

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Speaker 1: The Chief Minister has urged them to have another think

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Speaker 5: is it too late to change it? If it is

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Speaker 5: Because I think it's pretty clear that people aren't happy,

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Speaker 3: So we're too from here.

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Speaker 1: We just got to wait and see what the Council

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Speaker 5: Believe it's gone through that, Like, it's gone through the

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Speaker 5: they've made it pretty clear. It's gone through their Tracy committee.

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Speaker 4: The art piece.

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Speaker 1: Why all right, I'll move along, listener. Question Territory day.

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Speaker 1: There's one happening obviously at Mindle. We know that that's

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Speaker 1: common sense has prevailed. It's going back to Mindle, but

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Speaker 5: I believe the Waterfront are conducting their own small event

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Speaker 1: All right, Moving along, sixty four police recruits are graduating

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Speaker 5: That's the value of announced twenty five additional call takers.

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Speaker 5: and we've got to put more police call takers with

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Speaker 5: also looking at other options to report crimes as they occur,

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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea how long people are waiting

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Speaker 3: With that stolen car in the Northern suburbs. So was

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Speaker 1: And so what happened. They'd stolen a car from somewhere

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Speaker 5: And put themselves and other people in danger and you know,

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Speaker 5: Policed in the amazing job apprehending those individuals, and thankfully

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Speaker 4: But police did an amazing job.

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Speaker 5: Those individuals are before the courts, and I believe we've

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm hoping one of those individuals goes down

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Speaker 3: So how many kids were actually arrested with that stolen vehicle?

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Speaker 1: And I've no doubt someone will see this the vision

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Speaker 5: Work, So the moment the panel expression of interest to

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Speaker 5: So four have submitted. I believe we're about to submit,

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Speaker 1: So how quickly with the four that are pretty well

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Speaker 3: Just a couple of quick ones.

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Speaker 1: All right, Then regarding those social clubs, what will some

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Speaker 5: It's an example of what one measure may look like.

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Speaker 1: Hi Katie, could you please find out why after the

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Speaker 1: Also, these guards cannot speak up as they're all employed

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Speaker 5: Well, of course I've done what I said I would,

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Speaker 5: I can't force a private company to take that up.

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Speaker 4: The framework's there.

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Speaker 1: If those businesses though to territorianes as it being like

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Speaker 5: And I know there is at least I know. I

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Speaker 4: If they take it up. Fantastic, that's what we want.

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Speaker 1: So the reality is that no, are there no bottle

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Speaker 5: to be done to keep territory and safe. At the

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Speaker 5: end of the day, if those private companies decide not

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Speaker 5: to take it up, that's a decision for the company

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Speaker 5: and the strategy that they want to play inside the

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Speaker 5: private security market.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we better leave it there. Minister for Police,

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Speaker 1: Brent Potter, thank you for your time this morning.