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Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro is Australia's most talked about influencer. At nineteen,

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Speaker 1: she made it big on social media when she shared

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Speaker 1: her fitness journey whilst pregnant. This is my first blog again,

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Speaker 1: so it might be a little bad.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to be boring or what,

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Speaker 2: but hope you guys enjoy it. Tammy's life is far

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Speaker 2: from boring. The fitness influencer and her family are Australia's

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Speaker 2: answer to the Kardashians. In fact, she's even been involved

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Speaker 2: in a few Kardashian scandals herself.

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Speaker 1: A model explains why she had to leave Kylie Janno's

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles birthday party in a stretcher. By sharing her

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Speaker 1: life online, Tammy has attracted over twenty million followers and

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Speaker 1: built an empire worth fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: What has really kept her followers glued are her romantic relationships.

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Speaker 2: Over the last ten years, the internet has borne witness

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Speaker 2: to three engagements, three children, one epic wedding and now

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Speaker 2: a divorce.

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Speaker 1: We are journalists Amy and Kate Torber, and in this

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Speaker 1: special Outspoken series, we explore the real story behind the

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Speaker 1: rise of Tammy Hembro.

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Speaker 2: Now, when we last left you, things were officially over

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Speaker 2: between Tammy Hembro and Matt Paul and the end of

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Speaker 2: the last episode, we promised to take you back to

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Speaker 2: the start of Tammy's brief but controversial love story with

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Speaker 2: Matt Szakowski. So that's where we're going to begin today.

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Speaker 1: I'm most excited for this part of the Tammy story.

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Speaker 1: Matt two point zero.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when we originally started planning this series back in March,

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Speaker 2: I always thought it was going to be four parts,

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Speaker 2: but Matt Sakowski and Tammy Hembro, they just keep giving.

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Speaker 2: This is the fourth episode, but we will be having

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Speaker 2: an episode next week. Number five will be the final one.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's take things back to the start. So on

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Speaker 1: the third of September twenty twenty three, Tammy was photographed

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Speaker 1: outside a hotel with former Love Island contestant Matt Zakowski.

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Speaker 1: And this photograph it was taken by a fan and

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Speaker 1: it was actually sent into an influencer Watchdog account Influencer

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Speaker 1: Updates AU. I remember first seeing this photo and being like,

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Speaker 1: there is no way she's kissing Matt Zakowski, Like, surely

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Speaker 1: this is somebody else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've been a longtime listener of Matt's podcast

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Speaker 2: Where's Your Head At? And I've listened to a lot

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Speaker 2: of his stories about his past relationships. He'd only recently

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Speaker 2: broken up with his girlfriend Jen, and I was like, what, Like,

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Speaker 2: no way, this matchup does not make sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was this really weird crossover between reality TV

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Speaker 1: and the influencer world.

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Speaker 2: Now, shortly after, the pair was spotted again, this time

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Speaker 2: at Tammy's sister's skin clinic event. Now I want to

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Speaker 2: go into who Mattzakowski is. As mentioned, Matt rose to

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Speaker 2: fame in twenty nineteen after being runner up on the

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Speaker 2: second series of Love Island Australia. But before appearing on

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Speaker 2: reality TV, he actually worked as an international model in

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Speaker 2: London and Milan. He also was a professional wrestler, so

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Speaker 2: he performed under the stage name Charlie Matthews and according

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Speaker 2: to Matt, his character was known for winning the genetic Lottery.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting he was a wrestler before going on Love

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Speaker 1: Island because family men who appear on reality shows come

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Speaker 1: off it and then they start up these big celebrity

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Speaker 1: boxing matches against each other.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what'd be great if he did some

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Speaker 2: celebrity wrestle off between him, Reese Hawkins and Matt.

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Speaker 1: Pol That would go viral. It sounds very Jordan Simmy,

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Speaker 1: like maybe they could fight for the love of Tammy.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, that would absolutely go off on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: As for Matt's day job, he worked and still works

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Speaker 2: at his father's pool company as a project manager. However,

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Speaker 2: it was Matt's side hustle his podcast that led him

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Speaker 2: to meet Tammy. So Matt hosts a podcast called Where's

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Speaker 2: Your Head At with his former Love Island co star

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Speaker 2: an A macavoy, and in a bid to gain publicity

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Speaker 2: leading into the launch, Matt and Anna pretended that they

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Speaker 2: were dating, so they uploaded a video to TikTok where

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Speaker 2: they looked like they were about to kiss and wrote

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Speaker 2: something coming soon Now. Matt's ex girlfriend, former Bachelor contestant,

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Speaker 2: Kira Maguire, wasn't thrilled about this publicity stunt, so they'd

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Speaker 2: broken up just a few months early after dating for

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Speaker 2: over a year. In terms of their dating timeline, they

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Speaker 2: went official in July twenty twenty, shortly after Kira left

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Speaker 2: Bachelor in Paradise, but they'd been dating for a few

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Speaker 2: months prior and there was quite a large age gap

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Speaker 2: and Kira was thirty four.

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Speaker 1: We spoke about bizarre crossovers with Tammy and Matt. I

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Speaker 1: think this was even weirder seeing Matt from Love Island

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Speaker 1: hook up with Kira from the Bachelot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which made people question whether it was a pr relationship.

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Speaker 1: This was peak COVID time, and I remember watching a

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Speaker 1: lot of their content together. They were isolating at home,

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Speaker 1: so maybe it was just one of those COVID relationships

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Speaker 1: where they thought, oh, well, I can't actually go out

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Speaker 1: and meet anyone. We're sort of in this together now now.

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Speaker 2: In July twenty twenty one, off the back of Matt

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Speaker 2: and Anna's video, Kira told The Daily Mail they aren't dating.

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Speaker 2: They are pretending to be together as they want to

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Speaker 2: get exposure for some podcasts they are doing. I had

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Speaker 2: to block them both on socials as it was really

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Speaker 2: hurtful to watch. I expressed to both of them, especially Anna,

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Speaker 2: who were supposed to be my friend, this was hurtful,

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Speaker 2: but she told me I shouldn't care and continue to

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Speaker 2: do it. I guess people will do anything to get exposure,

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Speaker 2: even if it hurts the people they are supposed to

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Speaker 2: care about, it makes me really question both of their

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Speaker 2: intentions for being in my life in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Now, off the back of Kira's comments, Matt told The

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Speaker 1: Daily Mail, we don't want to put any labels on anything.

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Speaker 1: We're just seeing where's our head at. It just reminds

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Speaker 1: me of all those people that come off maths now

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Speaker 1: that are pretending that they're in relationships, and I can't

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Speaker 1: believe people are buying it. You're just like, they're clearly not.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to get They're trying to extend their fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes of fame.

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Speaker 2: Well after launching the podcast, Matt backtrack, telling The Daily Mail, look,

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Speaker 2: we've just been hanging out a lot, and people write

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Speaker 2: their own narratives, so we just didn't comment. We didn't

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Speaker 2: lead anyone on. We literally hung out and put Instagram

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Speaker 2: stories up together and the public wrote their own narrative.

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Speaker 1: Now they weren't misleading anybody, but they were happy with

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Speaker 1: the publicity they were getting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, Anna also gave an interview, so when asked about

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Speaker 2: the podcast, she said, when I was on Love Island,

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Speaker 2: I was like the go to advice girl. Matt gets

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Speaker 2: himself into bad situations and I try and give him

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Speaker 2: the best advice possible, So we thought it would be

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Speaker 2: a good dynamic. Now the strategy appeared to work because

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Speaker 2: by twenty twenty three, the podcast had hit one million

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Speaker 2: downloads and Matt and Anna did a live show tour

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Speaker 2: to celebrate the milestone. So, while planning for the live show,

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Speaker 2: Matt claims a pr manager for his podcast mentioned that

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Speaker 2: Tammy Hembrow was on the invite list, and according to Matt,

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Speaker 2: he didn't know who she was, so took it upon

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Speaker 2: himself to look her up, and he said his first

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Speaker 2: reaction upon seeing Tammy was fuck, she looks all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, there was actually journalist Meek and Bistetto who debunked

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Speaker 1: Matt's claims that he didn't know who Tammy Hembro was.

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Speaker 1: So in an episode of So Dramatic in October twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, Megan dug up an old podcast interview where

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Speaker 1: Matt and Anna had interviewed Chase Demore, and during the interview,

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Speaker 1: they discussed in length Chase's strategic attempt to date Tammy

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Speaker 1: by sliding into her DMS. Let's throw to some of

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Speaker 1: the clip.

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Speaker 5: When I was trying to get I was trying to

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Speaker 5: holler at Tammy while I was over there because I

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Speaker 5: saw whatever guy that she used to be with making

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Speaker 5: out with another girl at the pavilion and so me,

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Speaker 5: I was just.

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Speaker 3: Trying to do do my honors due diligence. And I

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Speaker 3: was like, look, Cammy, like if he's cheating on you,

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Speaker 3: like you need your shoulder to cry on. I know

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Speaker 3: a really tall, good looking American boy that's here for

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Speaker 3: the holiday wow play with kids, like come on?

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Speaker 6: So did she reply to the slide in?

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Speaker 5: She just liked my message?

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Speaker 6: Did she send her a voice note?

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Speaker 7: Yes? I sent her a voice note.

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Speaker 6: And she liked it. I mean, you gotta like it's

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Speaker 6: pretty good.

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Speaker 8: She's one of our, like the most famous influencer we

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Speaker 8: have here. Did you tell her in the voice note

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Speaker 8: that you saw her ex or her boyfriend?

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Speaker 6: I don't know if they're sill together.

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Speaker 5: I could I could play the voice No, if you

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Speaker 5: guys want to hear it, play the.

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Speaker 6: Voice note sent to Tammy. Hembrow.

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Speaker 7: That's a bold move.

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Speaker 9: So normally someone who passes on the message gets shot,

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Speaker 9: like they always shoot the messager.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming this is where Matt got the idea to

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Speaker 2: slide into Tammy's DMS and invite her to the live

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Speaker 2: show because it was literally six months later.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't be say awkward because he's obviously pretended to Tammy like,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea who you were, Like, I just

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Speaker 1: you know, was inviting you to this event, and then

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Speaker 1: this clip comes out, you'd probably be like, oh, for

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Speaker 1: fuck's sake.

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Speaker 2: No imagine trying to explain that now. Anyway, back to

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Speaker 2: the podcast live show planning meeting, Matt ended up dming

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Speaker 2: Tammy and he wrote to her, Hey, there'll be a

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Speaker 2: ticket on the door at the Brisbane show, and Tammy

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Speaker 2: just double tapped the message but didn't respond.

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Speaker 1: I remember hearing an interview with Tammy and she was

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Speaker 1: talking about the first message that Matt sent her and

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Speaker 1: she's like, I double tapped, but then I didn't hear

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Speaker 1: from him, and I felt it saying, but you can't

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Speaker 1: just double tap a message which has a question in it,

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Speaker 1: like what's he meant to If someone just double tapped

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Speaker 1: my message, I would take that as Oh, they're being polite,

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Speaker 1: they're not interested, they don't want to talk to me.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, she's got three kids. That's probably her

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Speaker 2: way of responding to people. You've got to be quick

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Speaker 1: So is the love heart message the mom's equivalent of

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the love heart is still nicer

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Speaker 2: bumbs up. Anyway, Matt ended up double messaging Tammy and

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Speaker 2: she did finally reply, and Matt spoke to his podcast

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Speaker 2: about how he found it really hard to read Tammy's

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Speaker 2: tone over message, so he ended up calling her and

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Speaker 2: apparently they talked for hours and arranged a date.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about that strategy of him just

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Speaker 1: giving Tammy a call that do you like it? Or

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Speaker 1: if you're in that situation, are you just thinking just

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Speaker 1: reply to my text mate, I don't actually want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you on the phone.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, I don't think anyone wants to

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Speaker 2: talk on the phone. I couldn't think of anything worse

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Speaker 2: than some guy I've never met calling me in having to.

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Speaker 1: Talk for hours.

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Speaker 2: But I suppose it's also a sign that someone really

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Speaker 2: likes you if they're willing to do that.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 1: Apparently Tammy thought that her meeting up with Matt was

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Speaker 1: fate because his videos had been popping up on her

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Speaker 1: TikTok for you page, and she thought he was really cute.

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Speaker 2: And as we spoke about last week, she possibly watched

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Speaker 2: him on Love Island Now with Tammy based on the

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Speaker 1: A few weeks after making an Instagram official, Tammy dropped

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Speaker 6: And passing the mike to someone who got their boyfriend's

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Speaker 4: To everyone who watches My Life and gossips about it,

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Speaker 7: Season two was about to come out.

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Speaker 1: I love how as soon as that post went up,

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Speaker 1: Tammy was the one that said, look, if you want

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Speaker 2: In January, Tammy Hembro made a guest appearance on That's

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Speaker 9: This is what she said, Yeah, Tammy Sakowski, that that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, will you change your name?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I think I love that.

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Speaker 7: I said, I don't.

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Speaker 7: I understand if you don't want to.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's like none of my kids have my last name,

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Speaker 2: It's it's pretty awkward because Matt recently spoken to his

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Speaker 2: in the ass. So I feel for Tammy if she

440
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 2: has to go change it back.

441
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Speaker 1: I think he should have changed his name to hem Bro.

442
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 1: He could have done a Dalton Henshaw. I mean she's

443
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 1: got the better last name. Well, she's got the bigger profile.

444
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he didn't want to take them. Yeah, exactly.

445
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:12,680
Speaker 3: Now.

446
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 1: In this interview, Tammy opened up about her engagement to Matt.

447
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 1: So she explained it's the third time she's been engaged,

448
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,199
Speaker 1: but she never actually planned a wedding or bought a

449
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,199
Speaker 1: wedding dress before.

450
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she also touched on the backlash they had

451
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 2: received after announcing their engagement. Here's what Tammy said, I

452
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:29,880
Speaker 2: don't really care.

453
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 1: I've been engaged three times.

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Speaker 7: Get over it as well. I call her Thanos.

455
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm collecting stones.

456
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 7: She's got her own color.

457
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Speaker 8: I mean it's a good thing, right, Like when I

458
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 8: was twenty nine and hadn't been engaged at all.

459
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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm offender that I.

460
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Speaker 8: Haven't been proposed to yet, Like, I mean, she's a catch.

461
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Speaker 6: Of course she's gonna you know, I don't know why

462
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 6: people have such a problem.

463
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Speaker 9: With her, Like I don't and I'm marrying, so what's

464
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Speaker 9: their problem?

465
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Speaker 1: Now? In March twenty twenty three, unverified rumors started circulating

466
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: that Matt had been messaging another woman. Screenshots of an

467
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 1: alleged private conversation between Matt and another woman was shared

468
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 1: to a gossip account before being deleted. Now, they of

469
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: course were screenshot before they were deleted, and they went viral.

470
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 3: Now.

471
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 2: In these screenshots, the woman covered her own name, but

472
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: you could see Matt's Instagram handle with his verified tick,

473
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 2: and Matt's account set a message saying still with your boyfriend.

474
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 2: The woman ended up replying saying hey Matt, yes, why

475
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: is that still marrying? Tammy and Matt responded three hours later,

476
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 2: writing interesting ha ha and yes. The woman wrote back,

477
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: why the message then, hah. Now these messages came out

478
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Speaker 2: just days after Tammy and Matt attended Glamour on the

479
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Speaker 2: Grid for the Grand Prix and there were a bunch

480
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 2: of photos taken at the event where they looked very

481
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 2: loved up. So it was all very confusing.

482
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then not long after, Tammy was spotted without

483
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: her engagement ring, and the timing couldn't have been work

484
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: because a week later, Tammy embarked on a press tour

485
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: to promote her book Show Up, And it was clear

486
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: that Matt was scrambling to win Tammy back because when

487
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 1: she appeared on Mom and Me as No Filter podcast,

488
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 1: Matt shared a photo of him and Tammy to his

489
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: Instagram story and he wrote, I have never felt a

490
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: love that is so strong and pure. I love you

491
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: so much, babe. He also left a comment under the

492
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Speaker 1: podcast promotion of the episode, saying he couldn't wait to

493
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Speaker 1: listen now. Tammy didn't address the incident publicly, but twenty

494
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: four hours after Matt's post, she followed him now. During

495
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: her interview on No Filter, which was obviously recorded prior

496
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: to the fallout, Tammy revealed that she's not done having kids,

497
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,479
Speaker 1: so she admitted that she thought Posey would be her

498
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: last because she broke up with Matt Paul shortly after,

499
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 1: but now that she's in a new relationship she was

500
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: open to it. This was interesting news because Matt has

501
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: bravely spoken publicly about the fact that he doesn't produce sperm,

502
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: so it will be difficult for him to naturally conceived children,

503
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: and Tammy explained that Matt was upfront with his fertility

504
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: struggles and said there were options for them to conceive.

505
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: It was pretty funny because during this press tour she

506
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: made a joke about how convenient it was that her

507
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: last two fiances are called Matt, so she kinds up

508
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: their names. She also admitted that she gets where people

509
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: are coming from when they comment that she's introducing her

510
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: kids to another man, but she said that she doesn't

511
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: do it lightly and always has her kid's best interest

512
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: at heart. Tammy also spoke about how Matt's public profile

513
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 1: actually helped their relationship because she said it made him

514
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: understand the demands and exposure that comes with being an influencer.

515
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,239
Speaker 1: And she was also asked about how she deals with

516
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: negativity online and she said, in the beginning, it definitely

517
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: got to me, but I couldn't really care less anymore.

518
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't change how I'm going to act or how

519
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to live my life. Now In April, Matt

520
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: Zakowski broke his silence after being accused of cheating on Tammy.

521
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: He spoke candidly on his podcast about the situation and

522
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: confirmed he did message another woman, but claimed he did

523
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: so on his friend's behalf. The whole episode felt like

524
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: damage control, but really lacked the guidance from a public

525
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: relations professional to actually achieve. I don't think anyone really

526
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: believed him because it just didn't really make much sense.

527
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: And you could tell that Matt and Anna were working

528
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: in overdrive to try and garner public sympathy for Matt

529
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: because at the start of the episode, Anna said she

530
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: didn't even recognize him because he looked so disheveled and lost.

531
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Speaker 1: She then asked Matt how he was coping with this situation,

532
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: and he said.

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00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 9: This, I'm not gonna lie, I'm in a pretty bad

534
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 9: place mentally, like it's just I don't know, like look

535
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 9: like it's just more embarrassed than anything, and it's just

536
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 9: taken a strain on everyone around me. Like I'll go

537
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 9: into more details later, but like, yeah, I'm exhausted, I'm drained.

538
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 9: It's just something that's like to me was and I

539
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 9: guess what I did, and I'll explain. I get what

540
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 9: I did was wrong. Yeah, it's just exhausting. We're just

541
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 9: working through it.

542
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: Before delving into the incident, Matt and Anna really built

543
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: up just how hard they had been partying at Glamour

544
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: on the Grid, and Matt explained that after the event,

545
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 2: he and Tammy went back to their suite with Anna

546
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 2: and her fiance Michael, and drank until three am. Matt

547
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: claimed he was so drunk that he projectile vomited the

548
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: following morning, and Anna recounted that she and Michael went

549
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: back to their room at three am just as Matt

550
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: opened another bottle of champagne. Matt confirmed that this was

551
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: the moment he messaged the mystery woman.

552
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: This is what he said.

553
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 9: Honestly, I'm not making excuses, but I don't fully remember

554
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 9: sending any message.

555
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 7: I know that sounds.

556
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 8: Bad, but it doesn't sound bad because Michael was like

557
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 8: when it came out, Michael was like, there's no way

558
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 8: Matt would remember sending that because he was popping.

559
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 6: Another bottle when we were leaving. Anyway, we're not, you know.

560
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 9: Not making excuses. Yeah, okay, So what happened was I

561
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 9: saw I messaged a girl and I asked her if

562
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 9: she was single. But the story behind it is my

563
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 9: mate showed me her and he said, your sister and

564
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 9: her follow each other and she follows you. Do you

565
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 9: know her?

566
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Speaker 7: And then he goes, look, do you reckon?

567
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 6: You could?

568
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 9: You could message her for me and you know, put

569
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 9: in a good word and tell her to message me.

570
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 9: And I was like, nah, man, like that's not I'm

571
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 9: not going to do that for you.

572
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 6: And I'm engaged.

573
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, oh yeah, I just don't. It's not

574
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 7: what It's not what I wanted to do. And then

575
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 7: this is cringe.

576
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 9: But he did say you use your blue tick, she'll

577
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 9: message you back. And I was like, nah, man, I'm

578
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 9: not going to do that. And then I ended up

579
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 9: doing that when I was fucked off my head at

580
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 9: like three am, pissed as waking up the next day,

581
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 9: I realized that that is not a good idea. It's

582
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 9: embarrassing for my fiance, it's embarrassing to my family, it's

583
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 9: embarrassing to my friends, it's embarrassing to her family her friends.

584
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 9: Most of all, is embarrassing to the relationship. Like I

585
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 9: don't want to be someone in a relationship that does

586
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 9: stuff like that like, I'm not that sort of person,

587
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 9: like I don't do stuff like that. I think at

588
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 9: the moment, I did it because I was pissed. I

589
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 9: know it's not an excuse, and I'm not trying to

590
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 9: make any excuse, but the moment something like this came out,

591
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 9: they just jumped on it and they were just like, oh,

592
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 9: he's like this, this is like you know what I mean, cheatah,

593
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 9: all this sort of stuff.

594
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 7: But that's not what happened.

595
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 9: And that's what has really like made me frustrated with

596
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 9: it all because I did live did stay quiet on

597
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 9: socials about it. I didn't think that it was worth

598
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 9: addressing in that way, so I kept it quiet because

599
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 9: I wanted to do it like this where I could

600
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 9: actually talk raw and actually talk about it. But yeah,

601
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 9: I think that I'm not making excuses. It was the

602
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 9: wrong thing to do, but I feel like, yeah, it's

603
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 9: embarrassed Tammy, it's embarrassed me, and it's embarrassed a relationship.

604
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm so confused how they thought that that was helping

605
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: the situation, Like we were so drunk, we had no

606
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: idea what we were doing. But I must point out

607
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: that it wasn't I wasn't messaging this girl for me,

608
00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: it was refresh.

609
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 6: Yeah right, Yeah.

610
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: They constantly contradicted themselves throughout the entire episode, making excuses

611
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 2: for Matt's behavior, and they kept using alcohol as an

612
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: excuse because after talking about how drunk they were at

613
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: the event, they also spoke in length about how Matt

614
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: had all these other instances where he's lost control binge drinking.

615
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: So he recounted a story about how he fell through

616
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: a glass door of his friend's house and his roommate's

617
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 2: girlfriend had to call the police. He also spoke about

618
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: how he was really drunk Anna's thirtieth and woke up

619
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: on Chapel Street and his phone had been stolen and

620
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: he didn't know where he was. So I don't think

621
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: it was helping the situation. He then read out the

622
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: apparent full text exchange Let's take a listen.

623
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 9: She asked me why I think so? She said he

624
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 9: still a tammy, and I said yes, because I don't.

625
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 9: I'm not interested in this girl, So I said yes,

626
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 9: and then she goes, why the message is then, and

627
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 9: I said, my friend Dale saw you while we were out,

628
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 9: was trying to help a friend friend.

629
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 6: Haha.

630
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 9: But I will let him down gently. She goes, oh, say,

631
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 9: hope he finds the white and I said, so do I.

632
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 9: The hunt continues. She goes, I've got a friend. I said, okay,

633
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 9: send through your friend's instant and I'll get him to

634
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 9: message her. She sent the name. I said, thank you

635
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 9: for the help. She love Heart reacted to that, and

636
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 9: she goes, this was this one was scouted by Love Island.

637
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 9: Do your magic, and I said, I'll try my best.

638
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: Look, I'm finding it hard to believe this text exchange,

639
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: particularly because he didn't provide a screenshot of it. Yeah,

640
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: I mean, all this episode achieved was just making Matt

641
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: look even guiltier than he already did. And it made

642
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: no sense because throughout the episode he kept saying that

643
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: he was in the wrong and he'd learnt his lesson,

644
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: but then he denied cheating, so it really didn't make

645
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: the sense. It really did make the situation work. So

646
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: he literally confirmed that he did in fact message a woman.

647
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: Tammy isn't happy about it. He then dropped that they're

648
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: currently in couples chouncling over it and said, this.

649
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 6: Is there anything else that you want to say, Matt?

650
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'd like to officially in front of everyone apologized

651
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 9: to Tammy. I am sorry that I did that. I

652
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 9: really do love you and I can't wait to spend

653
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 9: the rest of my life with you.

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00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: The groveling was next level. I think a lot of

655
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: us just assumed that this was it for Tammy and Matt.

656
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: There was no coming back from it. But spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: they got married seven months after this incident.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard not to feel sorry for Tammy.

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Speaker 2: It was completely embarrassing for her. It was at this

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Speaker 2: point where her audience completely turned against Matt. At the start,

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Speaker 2: for Matt, it may have looked very lucrative being Tammy's fiance,

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Speaker 2: but not when you piss off twenty million people who

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Speaker 2: follow her.

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Speaker 1: Now, that is.

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Speaker 2: Where we're going to leave things today. Next week, in

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Speaker 2: the final installment of this series, we'll be diving into

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Speaker 2: the wedding and seven months have not been maritalis. If

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Speaker 2: you did enjoy this episode, we would love if you

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Speaker 2: could help us out by leaving us a review. This

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Speaker 2: episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana

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Speaker 2: people of the Adelaide Planes.

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Speaker 1: We pay respect to elders past and present,