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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Katie, Good morning Minister.

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Speaker 1: How on earth was this woman labeled a sex worker

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Speaker 3: The Chief Minister has said that there was a process

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Speaker 1: But how did this information even come about? I mean,

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, there was an error, a process error. I'm

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, I think that it's also really important in

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Speaker 2: Well, and I guess that's the point that I'm trying

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Speaker 1: We don't actually have much of an idea of what

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Speaker 2: Now I know that that. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: One thing that is happening today as of today, which

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Speaker 1: in app set to be linked. Is this kicking in

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Speaker 1: from straight away this morning, yes, Katie.

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Speaker 3: So when I woke up this morning, I went into

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Speaker 3: the Medicare app. So people do need to go back

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Speaker 3: weeks ago it only had Victoria and New South Wales

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Speaker 3: that you could link it. Now there is a number

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Speaker 3: you just link it across and the information can be

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Speaker 3: shared and so you when you check in, it will

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Speaker 3: show that you are checked in and vaccinated. Because I

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Speaker 3: you're busy trying to check in, and then you've also

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Speaker 3: got to show them that you've vaccinated. That can come

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Speaker 3: up on the one screen.

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Speaker 2: Well, that is good news.

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Speaker 1: I have got one listener question which continues to be

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Speaker 1: raised with us here on three point sixty, and that

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Speaker 1: is it, says Hi, Katie, can you please ask the

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Speaker 1: minister how many Territorians have had adverse reactions to the vaccine.

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Speaker 3: So, Katie, it's important that people understand the difference between

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Speaker 3: the side effects when you get the vaccine. We've been

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Speaker 3: very open that you know, there can be a fever,

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Speaker 3: you can be feeling unwell, and you know almost all

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Speaker 3: of these resolve within a few days and are mild.

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Speaker 3: The Therapeutic Goods Administrations are the TGA. They closely monitor

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Speaker 3: adverse events for suspective side effects, and so I don't

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Speaker 3: have those figures. I'm certainly not aware of large numbers.

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Speaker 3: I know this is important to your listeners, So I'm

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Speaker 3: happy to ask Health and provide some information, you know,

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Speaker 3: around how the TGA reports that back to the community

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can hear them, you know, right now, they'll

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Speaker 1: be saying Katie, How does she not have those numbers?

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Speaker 1: How do we not know how many people have had

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Speaker 1: an adverse reaction, particularly if it's a serious one, Katie.

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Speaker 3: So in terms of there is processes at a national

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Speaker 3: level with TGA, with the therapeutic goods, they closely monitor

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Speaker 3: those adverse events, and it's really important that people feeling

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Speaker 3: unwell and could go on for a few days and

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Speaker 3: you could feel quite unwell. That's a mild side effect

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Speaker 3: as approached to an adverse reaction. But I'm happy to

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Speaker 3: go away and get that information and provide that process

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Speaker 1: All right, that would definitely be appreciated. We are going

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Speaker 1: to have to leave it there. Health Minister Natasha Files,

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Speaker 1: thanks for your time today. Thank you, and you are

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