1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: And joining us in the studio this morning. It is 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: time for the week that was. We have got Marie 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Claire Boothby from the COLP. Good morning to you. 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listeners. 5 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: Great have you in the studio. We've got Kezia Puric, 6 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: the member for Goida, Good morning to you. 7 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 3: Oh morning Bush people right on. 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 4: The ball, Good morning caller. 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: And Brent Potter, Labour's rep for Fanny Bay, Good morning 10 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: to you. Now we do start this morning with some 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: terrible news. In fact, we learned overnight that a young 12 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: child has died in a structure fire that occurred in 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: Alice Springs earlier yesterday. So just after ten thirty in 14 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: the morning, emergency services were called to a structure fire 15 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: in Lara Pinta following reports that a person was trapped 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: inside the residence. 17 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 4: It is absolutely tragic. 18 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: Unfortunately that child did not respond to medical intervention and 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: passed away. I know that Northern Territory Fire and Rescue 20 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: and Emergency Services personnel arrived at the scene and that 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: residence was engulfed in flames. Firefighters entered the property and 22 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: located the unresponsive child and attempted to revive the child. 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: Through CPR. It is every family's worst nightmare. 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: It is, Katie, and I think, you know, my heart 25 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: absolutely goes out to the family and the whole community really, 26 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: but I mean imagine being those first responders and having 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: to deal with that. It's just a task that you 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: cannot imagine. Yeah, there's is really no words, no. 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: Very sad for everyone all around. 30 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, it absolutely is and unfortunately not the only 31 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: terrible incident that's occurred in Alice Springs because also Northern 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: Territory Police are investigating the stabbing of a person on 33 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: the northern end of Todd Street that. 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 4: Occurred yesterday afternoon. 35 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: So emergency services quickly responded to the scene and the 36 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: victim was transported to Alice Springs Hospital in a critical condition. However, 37 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: died as a result of his injuries. A male is 38 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: in custody assisting the police with their inquiries, and police 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: say that they're investigating the circumstances surrounding the incident and 40 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: would like to speak to any witnesses that were in 41 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: the vicinity of the northern end of Todd Strait at 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: the intersection of Will's Terrace between three and three point 43 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: thirty in the afternoon. 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 4: Absolutely terrible stuff. 45 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 5: Town's hurting. Clearly, it's been a tragic twenty four hours 46 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 5: for them and now police are investigating. They've got someone 47 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 5: in custody, I believe. But at the end of the day, 48 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 5: it's tragic and it shouldn't be happening now when that 49 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 5: person goes before the court. The courts just need to 50 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 5: start sentencing in according to community expectation. This person needs 51 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 5: to go to jail, needs to send a message to people, 52 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 5: does it? 53 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: And I think I know the government. I think the 54 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: Attorney General in last sittings at some stage or perhaps 55 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 3: on a I think it was Chancey Pake said that 56 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: the government was looking at perhaps changing laws in regards 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: to carrying of knives like Scotland and other places where 58 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: you know Scotland, as people listeners will remember, Scotland was 59 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: the biggest murder place in the world and it was 60 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 3: mostly from knife attacks. So if we can look at 61 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: something similar, not only the legislation but also education to 62 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: have it as an offense if you are carrying a 63 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: knife of any description, that's a good point. Yeah, you've 64 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 3: got to have both. You can't just I mean, yeah, sure, 65 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 3: black people on the head with the legislation. But along 66 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 3: the way, we've got to get people to stop using 67 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 3: knives or edge weapons as some people like to call it. Yeah, 68 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: and it's become a weapon of not only choice, it's 69 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: just a weapon. 70 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 4: It's just is and it's just absolutely stucial. 71 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 3: You know, you can't carry knives of that description, you know, 72 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: like what that's eight inches nine inches long? Pocket knives 73 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: for work that kind of thing is different. You know, 74 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: cattle station people often have a pocket knife kind of 75 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: knife or fishing people's that's different and laws can accommodate that, 76 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: as they have in Scotland, but we've got to stop 77 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: people carrying these kind of weapons on their person and 78 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: the street. 79 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: And obviously a full investigation to go ahead with what 80 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: has happened in our Springs yesterday afternoon with this stabbing incident. 81 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: But we're also of the understanding that a female paramedic 82 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: was assaulted then while treating the victim. She's had to 83 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: then go to hospital and has had treatment then, as 84 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: I understand it, had to go back and have further treatment. 85 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: So I do hope that that that paramedic is okay, 86 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: But you know the fact is here we've got really 87 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: violent situations. To have a knife, for somebody to be 88 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: allegedly killed, you know, with a knife again on the 89 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: streets of the Northern Territory is horrendous. And I just 90 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: can't understand when we got to a point here in 91 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory or you know more generally around the 92 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: world where you're carrying knives and you're prepared to hurt 93 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: somebody with them. 94 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 5: If you read the UK stor, you're right, there has 95 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 5: been a fundamental shift, like it never used to be 96 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 5: a thing like you hear about it, but it was 97 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 5: never as common and it's it's tragically of course, found 98 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 5: or die. But now we used to carry that, We 99 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 5: used to carry them obviously when we would go field 100 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 5: with military. But you know, there's been a shift, and 101 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 5: we saw a young mother killed in Queensland. We saw 102 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 5: a three year old only in New South Wales yesterday 103 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 5: when you go have a look at that knife attack, 104 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 5: there was stabbing, and then you've had the young boy 105 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 5: in Victoria. It is happening across Australia. And when you 106 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 5: read the UK strategy, about sixty percent of people when 107 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 5: they interviewed them said they carry for protection. Now that's 108 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 5: just that's crazy. What I mean, you should carry a 109 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 5: knife for protection is a joke. 110 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 4: Well, it's an absolute joke. 111 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 3: The authorities always say don't carry because it can be 112 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: used against ye. 113 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 5: And we've committed to a knife strategy. You'll see that 114 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 5: coming out. We have committed to finish the Bar Review 115 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 5: Task Force and listen, I'll be honest if I'll be 116 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 5: the biggest advocate in that. I make this commitment Cady 117 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 5: that if it comes out and sees that we need 118 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 5: to make fundamental changes for people around bail who are 119 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 5: continually going and breaching their bar with knives, then we'll 120 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 5: do that. We've said that as a gun we will. 121 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 5: So we need to go through the machinations of that. 122 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 5: We need to get the advice back from the department agencies. 123 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: But once it is made far away from that because 124 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: it's you know, like the thing is, we're in a 125 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: state of emergency when you talk about knife crime in 126 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. Now we have had a situation where 127 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,119 Speaker 1: we have had this will a number of people killed. 128 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: When you're to a knife, the call it as it is, 129 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: that's a murdered And this is the thing I know 130 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: that in this situation there is obviously yet to be charges. 131 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: We don't know exactly what's going on, but what point 132 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: does the Northern Territory government go. My goodness, we actually 133 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: have to rush ahead really quickly and get this right. 134 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 4: With the serious concerns that we've got around knives being 135 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: carried around. 136 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 5: I think the problem, though, Katie, comes with all of 137 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 5: this is no criminal commits and offense thinking of the outcome. 138 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 5: They all think they're not they're going to get away 139 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 5: with it, and unfortunately they all know that if they 140 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 5: do get caught, they're going to jail. So it's five 141 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 5: or ten years, it doesn't change them. I think your 142 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 5: points bang on, Keysier. I remember we had the one 143 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 5: punch problems in Victoria when I was a young I 144 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 5: was eighteen nineteen going out and people were being killed. 145 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 5: They've been hit from behind. There's been a massive push 146 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 5: around education for that to result in in the name 147 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 5: of it and Danny Green getting involved. I actually think, 148 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 5: and this will potentially come out in the strategy that 149 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,119 Speaker 5: we need to be doing work in schools and showing kids, hey, 150 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 5: if this is what you think is appropriate, and bringing 151 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 5: this out in the public, this is the outcoming. 152 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: You get those constables. 153 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 5: We have them now. Dar in the county was walking around, KAYLEI. 154 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: Like, I hear what everybody is saying here. But I mean, 155 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: you and I have spoken about these serious incidences that 156 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: have happened that every time I listen to your show, 157 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: territorians are just hurting out there and they are really fearful, 158 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: and this is just another attack. I mean, the fact 159 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: that the police and first responders had to attend to 160 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: a child who had died and they're not long after 161 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: go to another stabbing where the man has bled out 162 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: to death what we need today. And I know for 163 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: a fact that right now Bill Yan and Jared Mayley 164 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: from the cop opposition are going to do a press 165 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: conference calling on Natasha Files to hold an emergency press conference, 166 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: an urgent one, really outlining exactly what changes are going 167 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: to happen that can happen today that will make the 168 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: community feel safer. I mean, sure, we've got reviews under way, 169 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: we don't know how long that's going to take. There's 170 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: lots of talk about it, but this needs an absolute 171 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: urgent response. We have territories that are at their wits 172 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: end and people are dying. 173 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: My understanding is that when the review was called. It 174 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: was after the tragic loss of Declan Lavity. Since then, 175 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: we have also we've now seen what's unfolded yesterday. We've 176 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: also though had the tragic death of Seafash that was 177 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: not involving an eaged weapon, but certainly an incredibly brutal attack. 178 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: And in each instance, Katie, we haven't seen the leadership 179 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: that we need from the Chief Minister. I mean, true 180 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: leaders will go and speak to the people, the families 181 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: that are involved, and they will hear from them. I 182 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 2: mean the Chief Minister, she just goes into hiding. After 183 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: the murder on the Esplanade. It took days for her 184 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: to come out and make a statement of any kind 185 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: of comment. I don't recall her doing that about Declan 186 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: Lavity at all. And so really this happened yesterday. Today 187 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: is the perfect time for her to come out and 188 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: hold that emergency press conference and really explained to territories 189 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: we can't afford them and X to go into hiding again. 190 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: I mean, where's the police minister. We haven't heard from her. 191 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: God were points where we do need to know exactly 192 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: what is going to happen in moving forward. I understand 193 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: that it's going to take time with, you know, with 194 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: a knife crime strategy. 195 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 4: But we are at the point where territorians are dying. 196 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 4: Katie a solution right now. 197 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 5: The solution right now is getting more cops back to 198 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 5: work on the beat, more resources, so more police. 199 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: And Michael Worth say that because we've all been calling 200 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: for more police from Micham. 201 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 4: So you're saying they need to get back to work. 202 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 5: I think with a changing leadership, I think Michael Murphy 203 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 5: is doing a great job getting people back to work. 204 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 5: The reality was, and you've heard the numbers, it's fluctuated 205 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 5: from anywhere from one fifty to six hundred. You know, 206 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 5: I've heard three hundred. Let's work on a number just 207 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 5: here right. 208 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: Now, three hundred. 209 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 5: We need to get them back to work. That's almost 210 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 5: the size of the Alic Springs police station. There was 211 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 5: clearly a cultural issue. They were unhappy for a variety 212 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 5: of reasons. He's doing amazing work getting people back to work. Now. 213 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 5: You know, that's not for me to say how many 214 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 5: he's got, but that's for him to come out and 215 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 5: talk about it. But I know, talking to police officers 216 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 5: that are at the school and around my community going 217 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 5: yet we're seeing more people that. 218 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: You're saying that now though, because we've been hearing for 219 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: so long from the Northern Territory government that we've got 220 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: more police than ever before, in a greater investment than 221 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: ever before. But the fact is we've had a huge 222 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: number of the haven't been working. 223 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 5: The key there you made those Katie, we do have 224 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 5: more police funded. So we've funded more police than we 225 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 5: ever have in the budget. 226 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: And if they're not on the ground patrolling, it doesn't 227 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: really make a difference to everyday people. 228 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 5: I was about to get to is we had to 229 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 5: get through an EBA. There's some things in there that 230 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 5: needed to be amended to get a better outcome for 231 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 5: the resources that we're funding, and also to better support 232 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 5: those officers that are turning up to work now, getting 233 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 5: those officers that we've paid for or that you either 234 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 5: can return to work getting back to work those that can't, 235 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 5: we need to find a way to get them into 236 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 5: other employments so we can free that resource up to 237 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 5: backfill and recruit into it. 238 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: So you know, there's the government. Any government can bring 239 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: in urgent legislation and have it in the House and 240 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: passed in one day. 241 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely we've done it before. 242 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 4: We've done it again. 243 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: Lots of governments to it all around the countryside. It's 244 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: not unusual. And yes, when you have urgent legislation you 245 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: do sometimes run the risk of not having full and 246 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: comprehensive consultation. So that's the first thing the government could 247 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: bring in legislation. I know we've got estimates, but they 248 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 3: could bring it. The second thing is Parliament can be 249 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: recalled to deal with urgent legislators for a day or 250 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: even two days. Yes, it was recalled something to do 251 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,239 Speaker 3: with COVID, So certainly the mechanisms are there, the pathway 252 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: is there to do this, to bring in urgent legislation 253 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: to address some of the issues we're all referred to. 254 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 5: Legislation is going to work right now because the legislation 255 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 5: that you're proposing is for when someone commits the crime, 256 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 5: then they're not given there. There's just no chance of 257 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 5: getting BALID that's already in place. 258 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 4: So what do we do just on our head? 259 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 5: But I guess the point I'm making Cad is there's 260 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 5: a whole bunch of operational stuff that's occurring right now. 261 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 5: If the police comes and say we need X, Y 262 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 5: and Z, well's a government we're going to listen to 263 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 5: them and give them what they need like it's not 264 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 5: and if the health sector says the same thing. But 265 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 5: legislation and you know what the CLP is proposing only 266 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 5: works once the person's committed the crime. We need to 267 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 5: get community. But it's not about My point view is 268 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 5: it's not a legislation issue. It is about getting more 269 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 5: resources out in the ground and changing people's minds about 270 00:11:59,360 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 5: carrying night. 271 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 3: I think it's picking kids up off the shoe. 272 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 5: It's all of it, like we've always said, the social 273 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 5: issues we have in the territory, but the fact that 274 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 5: we're not the only ones happy. 275 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: Pick them up, whether it be police or someone else, 276 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 3: pick them up, take them somewhere safe and keep them 277 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: there until absolutely need. 278 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: To hear from the leadership though, I mean, are actually 279 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: quite different to what I hear from the Police minister. 280 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: When she does, people are going to be definitely very 281 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: different from what the Chief Minister says. I mean she 282 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: was talking where and tear. 283 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 5: And other people were where and tear infrastructure. 284 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 2: It is very different between these labor I do. 285 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: I do think what people want to see is some 286 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: serious leadership from the Northern Territory government. 287 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 4: Right now. 288 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: We cannot be in a situation where lives continue to 289 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: be lost at the hands of people allegedly using knives 290 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: to hurt each other. 291 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 4: It is not good enough. But it's not just knives. 292 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: We are in a situation where we have had some 293 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: terribly violent crime in the Northern Territory. We're all sick 294 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: to death of it. We have all had a gutfull. 295 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: We want to see action. We want to see the 296 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: chiefness of a stand up. That's right, and we'll get 297 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: onto that in a moment, but we want to see 298 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: some action. I understand that this review is underway into 299 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: knife crime, but there will be a lot of people 300 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: questioning this morning just how long that is going to 301 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: take and how long it's going to take for the 302 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: Northern Territory government too, really not just talk tough on crime, 303 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: but actually take. 304 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 4: Some action that the community expects. 305 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: Katie. Where there's a will, there's a way. I mean, yes, 306 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: it may mean extra workloads and extra extra resources required 307 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: for whether it be parliamentary counsel or people in the 308 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: public service who are reviewing this on developing these strategies, 309 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 3: but where there's a will, there is a way. So 310 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 3: if government and the relevant ministers say or cabinet makes 311 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: a decision, this is what we're going to do. Make 312 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 3: it happen as they say, make it so such. 313 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 5: As far batful safe. People feel safest when they see 314 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 5: police officers driving around. People feel safest when they don't 315 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 5: see any social behavior in front of them every day. 316 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 5: And that's why I'm saying you can put all the 317 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 5: legislation want in front of it. It's only after the 318 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 5: fact that something's happened. 319 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: Let's think it's I think it's a too pronged approach. 320 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: I think can actually have to do all of those things. 321 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: You can walk into gum at the Centimentally. 322 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 5: I think we've done the right piece of legislation in 323 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 5: relation to the tragic death of deck one. I think 324 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 5: we're there. It's now about running that through and having 325 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 5: the resources to go out, tip out grog enforce DeVos 326 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 5: with no association. 327 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: And send them to EMU. 328 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 4: What is it. 329 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 5: Not search people that you know, you believe may have 330 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 5: a knife, remove that from them going You know, police 331 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 5: do an amazing job. They know what they need to do. 332 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 5: We just need when they ask for resources. If they 333 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 5: come to us and say that that's what'll give them. 334 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 5: And Michael Murphy's now in the chair and he's doing 335 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 5: amazing work getting people back to work. 336 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: So if they ask for the Federal Police to come 337 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: in and give them support to do some of those 338 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: other types of tasks so they can do those things 339 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: that you're talking about, is that something that you would 340 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: support because this government has definitely not supported that at 341 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: any time in the past. 342 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 5: Modern that's not the request that's come from anti police. 343 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 5: Now if they come to us and say we need 344 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 5: the Australian Federal Police to come in, obviously the Minister 345 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 5: and the Chief will assess that. And you know what, 346 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 5: if that's what they're asking for, and that's what we're wide. 347 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 5: That's not been put to. 348 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: Us anyone that comes in anyone in the Corona for that, 349 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: but every other jurisdiction needs that. 350 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 5: That plus more like. 351 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: We need a stop gap right now so the Territorians 352 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: can feel safe, especially in terms of their lives. 353 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 5: Get the three hundred back to work or thereabouts, get 354 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 5: those three hundred officers chance. 355 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: To help us out with this the office and going 356 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: back to work. 357 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 5: That's the easiest way because we've recruited them, they've gone 358 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 5: through training, they understand the system. We need to find 359 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 5: out why they're not coming back to work and do 360 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 5: what we can to make them feel appreciated and get 361 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 5: back in the same. 362 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very 363 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: short break, but when we come back, I am keen 364 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: to talk about the situation that we've seen unfolding Catherine 365 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: in recent days and also are the terrible situation that 366 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: we were told about by our our transport workers union 367 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: around bus driver safety that's coming your way in just 368 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: a couple of moments right here on Mixed one O 369 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. If you've just joined us this 370 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: morning in the studio with me is Marie Claire Booth, 371 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: be Keasier Puric and Brent Potter, and we know that 372 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: throughout the week. Well, actually as we got off, as 373 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: we finished the week that was on Friday last week, 374 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: I started to learn more details about a number of 375 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: businesses that have been broken into in Catherine. It happened 376 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: last Thursday night early Friday morning. A number of businesses targeted. 377 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: We had caught up with at least two of those 378 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: who were really absolutely devastated and distraught about the situation 379 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: that they'd endured yesterday We spoke with Trent DeWit about 380 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: what is unfolded throughout the week talked to Joe Hersey 381 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: and there is claims that over the course of the 382 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: weekend these youth were causing havoc. There was rocks thrown 383 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: at businesses, cars, caravans as well in Railway Terrace and 384 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: on the Victoria Highway, trying to smash windows, running through woolies, 385 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: causing problems for staff and shoppers. The local members says 386 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: that there are not enough police in Catherine. That was 387 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: what Joe Hersey had told us on the show. I'm 388 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: keen to get everybody's take on the situation in Catherine. 389 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: It does seem as though they're going through really bad 390 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: situation right now. Someone might Trent do with He speaks 391 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: to us regularly and he's such a positive bloke and 392 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: just said we just need this sort of like we 393 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: just it's a dark cloud over Catherine. 394 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 3: Well, it's just and someone's I think it might have 395 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: been Robin Lamley. She said it comes from a movie 396 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: and it's coming your way, you know, like what Alice 397 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 3: has gone through over the last three to five years 398 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: or two to four years, whatever it is. Then it's 399 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 3: Bunny hopped into Tenant and Tennant's had their problems. But 400 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: I just gave the story. I have my sister and 401 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: her hobb. We were told don't leave your van in 402 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 3: town and go south. And now it's Catherine's turn. I mean, Darhne. Yes, 403 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 3: we've got it from there, but now Catherine, the word 404 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 3: is spread. The word is spread amongst these these people 405 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 3: with their social media networks and connections. This is what 406 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 3: you do, Keiths, get out there and have fun, smash rocks, 407 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: steal rob whatever, like people breaking into Casuarina and getting 408 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 3: into Hoskins Juelie and stealing probably nice watches and donadque 409 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: you know. So I think that, I mean they do 410 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: it at night, that's the first thing. Usually, not always, 411 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 3: but usually, and the police and all those other agencies 412 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 3: are flat out. But I think those young people have 413 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 3: to be picked up. They have to be picked up. 414 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 3: If they catch them, that's good. But don't send them 415 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 3: back to their homes because clearly they don't want to 416 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: be in their homes for whatever reason. Direct them, process them, 417 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 3: direct them to stay at this seven EMU place whatever 418 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: it is or something similar. 419 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 4: Doesn't even know why. 420 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 1: Seven EMU station Brent, do you know why it's not 421 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: being used at this point in time? 422 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 5: Not at the moment went I went through their last 423 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 5: for a fish and trip he was He actually had 424 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 5: people there at the time, young youth that was probably 425 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 5: about two years ago before all this. So yeah, I 426 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 5: can find out for you. 427 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: Ask well, I think that if we've got a facility 428 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: where we can actually have children going out there, you know, 429 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: getting some getting some various training. 430 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: I mean, the government talks about this quote wrap around services, 431 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 3: which I've yet to work out what it is, a 432 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 3: bit like glad rap. But if these people are the 433 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: age that we're being told they are, clearly they don't 434 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: want to be in their homes. So and we know 435 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 3: a lot of them come from dysfunctional homes, So I 436 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 3: think we need to start to which probably already are. 437 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: I get it, it's complex, I get it, it's complicated. 438 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: But the bottom line is these kids have to be 439 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: picked up and taken off thus streets and put into 440 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 3: care somewhere. And if people think that stolen generation, well 441 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 3: tough luck, because these kids are not doing the right 442 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 3: thing by themselves, and they're not doing the right thing 443 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 3: by our community by any standard. 444 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 5: And you're right. It is evident that when the youth 445 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 5: get picked up by police or whatever service it is, 446 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 5: they shouldn't be handing it release in the back of 447 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 5: the house without that responsible I don't now. In Alice, 448 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 5: I think it was a couple of months ago the 449 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 5: Minister of the Territory Family is also the mess of Police, 450 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 5: announced that they would be implementing a service delivery model 451 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 5: where police picked them up, they'd stay there that evening. 452 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 5: The next morning territory families would go around with the 453 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 5: child to the house and start that assessment. Now, I'm 454 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 5: happy to take that on notice and come back and 455 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 5: see where that's at in terms of numbers and KPIs, etc. 456 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 5: You know, at the end of the day, Keys, You're 457 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 5: absolutely right. Kids are doing this because they don't want 458 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 5: to be at home, you know. But when they do 459 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 5: get caught and they do go before the courts, you know, 460 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 5: it is incumbent of the judges to consider everything and 461 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 5: community safety and something getting that right. 462 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: What happens if they are children that are in the 463 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: care of territory families and. 464 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: Already well they're not been cared for very well, are they. 465 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: That is a question that some people are starting to 466 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: ask now they are if they're out of home care. 467 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: And I have spoken to people who work in that 468 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: sector who say, Katie, our hands are tied. We've got 469 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: kids that you know that are in there, behaving themselves 470 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: relatively well, and then somebody comes round in a stolen 471 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: car and off they all head them up. 472 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 5: Correct. So what I would say is the outer home 473 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 5: care piece is just like very simplically, it's the same 474 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 5: as if your parents aren't capable, we're putting in another 475 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 5: home environment and the parent being government and then the 476 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 5: care provider. Where we do see the benefit is Babasist 477 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 5: Accommodation now salt Bush a couple of months ago. That 478 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 5: is a fantastic facility and the results they get are amazing. 479 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 5: Where the courts need to be sending some more to 480 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 5: salt Bush rather than putting back in home care. Salt 481 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 5: Bush provides the mechanism and it is a facility, is 482 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 5: that it is a locked facility and stop people from leaving, 483 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 5: but they have less absconding. And I think that sometimes 484 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 5: we've got these programs that we're paying for, but they're 485 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 5: just not being outtaken by the courts. In some instances, 486 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 5: police are doing their job. We're putting the money into 487 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 5: the resources and no other times that the court you know, 488 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 5: puts the kids into the right programs in the right 489 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 5: places so that they are set up best to succeed. 490 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 5: Putting them back in the same environment after they've offended 491 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 5: doesn't help. 492 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 4: It is not necessarily going to help. 493 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: What concerns me, Katie is that, I mean I speak 494 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: to Joe Hersey often and what we're hearing from those 495 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: businesses that have had those incredible amount of heartache and 496 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: the amount of smashed windows and the equipment and the 497 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: cost not just the cost financially, but also emotionally. And 498 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 2: you know, Joe was with them. They were asking for hugs. 499 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 2: They were really just pleading with leadership to be able 500 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: to make some changes to make them feel safe again 501 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 2: and in their businesses. I mean police we were telling 502 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: them that they would spend about eight hours looking for 503 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: a responsible adult and then when they finally were able 504 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 2: to send them to territory families and they did appear 505 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: before at the court and they were out the next 506 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: day and they came back to Torment those same businesses 507 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: and the same week we actually had the Chief Minister 508 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: and the Treasurer both go to Catherine to do a 509 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: budget speech to the community, and yet not one of 510 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: those businesses were visited by the Chief Minister the standard. 511 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 2: That's right. How can you know these leaders that. 512 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 4: Leadership leadership at the plant, that's exactly right. 513 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: Leadership is fronting up and going to have those hard 514 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: conversations with people, and it's something that we all need 515 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: to make sure that we do. And you've got to 516 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: make sure that you're genuinely hearing what the community is saying. 517 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Catherine, they've been calling out for this. I mean 518 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: that they wanted the Chief Minister to go and visit it. 519 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 2: They I think, Katie, you saw the video that was 520 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: created by those business owners pleading for Natasha Files to 521 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: go visit. And she was there and her leadership is 522 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: basically just putting a photo on social media and then leaving. Again, 523 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 2: not one of those businesses did she go. 524 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 5: I can't talk for what the chief for that didn't do. 525 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 5: Obviously they would have liked Trent would have liked to 526 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 5: see them come in and talk to them face to 527 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 5: face in their discussion. That's completely reasonable to them to 528 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 5: have that request. And you know I've met Trent. You 529 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 5: wouldn't remember I've gone through and bought you Lewis before 530 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 5: to go. He's a top bloke and he didn't used 531 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 5: to tell just anyone about what he's trying to do 532 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 5: to help the community with the issues they've got down there. 533 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 5: I can take it on notice and come back and 534 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 5: find out whether it is. 535 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: You've got people in like you've got people in Catherine 536 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: who after there was the assault on the young worker 537 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: who worked at the bakery and other locations. She was 538 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: terribly assaulted earlier this year and had to have serious 539 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: dental work. Have that done now you had people like 540 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: Trent to with and other community members raise money so 541 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: that she didn't have to pay for that dental work. 542 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: You have literally got a situation where the community is 543 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: rallying together to try to help each other. 544 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 4: But you the kids are being let. 545 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: Down, the community is being let down. Everybody's being let 546 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: down by what's occurring. And we talk about generational change, 547 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: Well here we've got kids that are ten and eleven 548 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: year old years. 549 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: Old, Katie wait a generation. If people are concerned about 550 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: another stolen generation quote taking children away from families, well 551 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 3: get the bloody elders involved. These children will be linked 552 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 3: to family networks. They'll be linked to communities out in 553 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: the bush areas. Now get the elders involved, or get 554 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 3: the senior people involved. They might not necessarily be elders. 555 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: Get them involved and make them part of the equation. 556 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 4: That's true. 557 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 5: The only issue comes when they don't want to get 558 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 5: involved and they don't believe they have the cultural authority 559 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 5: to be involved in that agree someone things Merricle, the 560 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 5: Chief wasn't in Catherine last week. Eva was, so you 561 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 5: know there was a reason why the chief didn't then 562 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 5: go and meet with Trent. But you're absolutely right. They 563 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 5: want to meet. They want to meet, and I'll have 564 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 5: that discussion with her when I see her later today 565 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 5: and say listen, in case you didn't know. 566 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: Look, I am being told that the Chief Minister wasn't 567 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: in Catherine earlier in the week. I have just received 568 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: that notification she wasn't in Catherine, but that obviously the 569 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: minister for the Treasurer for Infrastructure. 570 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 5: I'll absolutely go and talk to her after this. The 571 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 5: treasure fantastic person's doing. 572 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm talking about sort of fifteen businesses, so I'll follow 573 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: that up. 574 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 4: Now. 575 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: The other thing that has unfolded throughout the week is 576 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: the bus driver situation, so the safety of our bus 577 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: drivers now to paint a bit of a picture for you, 578 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: I think it's important that we hear from Barry Norton, 579 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: who is from the Transport Workers Union. If you missed 580 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: that interview a little bit earlier in the week it 581 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: had unfolded after a bus driver had been assaulted. I 582 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: understand that there have now been a rests that were 583 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: made again youths involved, but take a listen to what 584 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: he'd told us earlier in the week. 585 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 6: It is a wazoned out there. There are thousands of 586 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 6: antisocial incidents on the bus network every year, a lot 587 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 6: is not reported. This also brings us back to what 588 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 6: the union has been calling for for the longest time, 589 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 6: complete driver safety strengths, so that they cannot be spat on, 590 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 6: they can't be reached, they can't be got to, they 591 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 6: can't be assaulted, tempted. Robberies can't happen. And we've been 592 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 6: in discussion with the company and the government for at 593 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 6: least two years. Nothing has happened. 594 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 1: So that again, as I say, was following on from 595 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: that situation where we had seen an attempted robbery and 596 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: assault on the bus driver in Molden. So last weekend, 597 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: so at about six pm police received reports that a 598 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: large group had attempted to rob the driver of this 599 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: bus that was traveling along Tilston Avenue in Molden. The 600 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: group allegedly engaged in violent anti social behavior, resulting in 601 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: the driver being assaulted and the bus being damaged. Now again, 602 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: I will say my understanding is that they have now 603 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: made some arrests. But Barry's saying that it is like 604 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: a war zone on the public bus network at different times, 605 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: and we've been told by our listeners that it's really very. 606 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 4: Much luck of the drawer. 607 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: Some days you get on there and it's not too bad. 608 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: Other days you get on there and it's incredibly difficult. 609 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: You know, one of our listeners who speaks to us regularly, 610 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: she's legally blind, and she said it's bloody scary. 611 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 4: Some days getting on there. 612 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: It would be incredibly scaring. Yeah. Look, I don't know 613 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: what the answer is here, but what I do know 614 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: is that there's a real sense around the Northern Territory 615 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: at the moment, a feeling of lawlessness in some areas. 616 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 4: It's not everywhere. 617 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: And I will say that I think it does feel 618 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: as though there's been a bit of a change of 619 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: approach since the since the acting Police Commissioner has stepped in. 620 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 4: But there is this sense of lawlessness and people have 621 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 4: had enough. 622 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: But they want to make sure that the government truly 623 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: understands how broken they're feeling about about this public you know, 624 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: like about the sense of a lack of safety. 625 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, and listen, the transport worker is absolutely deserved to 626 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 5: be safe at work. You now, we say that all 627 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 5: the time, but they do. They do an absolute civil 628 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 5: service to everyone. I can tell you how there are staff, 629 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 5: our staff that ride the bus from Parmers into the city. 630 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 5: They see it, so it gets fed directly into the 631 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 5: ministerial offices. It gets fed to all of us. So 632 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 5: it's not where people may not believe it. Where territories 633 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 5: we ride the bus, I obviously and Fanny Bay, but 634 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 5: there are people that live Annie Palmerston that ride the bus, 635 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 5: so they're seeing it. We've made reforms, we'll continue makingforms. 636 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 5: But I think what we're seeing on the buses is 637 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 5: a wider manifestation of stuff like you just said, we're 638 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 5: seeing across the territory and our frontline workers and bus 639 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 5: drivers are that are experiencing now we change the He's right, 640 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 5: they've been asking for a different type of screen on there. 641 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 5: There is you know, I'm not the expert in this, 642 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 5: but from what I've heard anecdotally, there's an issue with 643 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 5: the age of the bus and taking the screen all 644 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 5: the way to the roof of the safety hatch. There's 645 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 5: something around there's a safety escape they need. But we're 646 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 5: trialing I believe, a new PERSPEX class, like a real 647 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 5: reinforced class on there. If it's not appropriate and they 648 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 5: want something different, then we'll continue to work them because 649 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 5: we've got to make sure our bus drivers are safe. 650 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: You know, it's almost like, I mean, I don't know if, 651 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 3: given it's a private company that runs the public buses, 652 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: whether you know, they can go on strike. But the 653 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 3: trouble with that is is it then disadvantages all the everybody, 654 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 3: law abiding people who just catch a bus to work 655 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 3: because that's what they do, particularly people who are a 656 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: little bit further out, like the rule there. You know, 657 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: they rely upon the public buses and school kids. Of course, 658 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: you know that's a bit different because the public art 659 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: on it. But you know, it's almost like and I've 660 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 3: said this before, and I don't know if the government 661 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: has said it publicly, but they don't appear to admit 662 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 3: that we have a problem. I just did, no, not you. 663 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 3: I'm good that you. Well, if you want to speak 664 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 3: on behalf of government, that's good. 665 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 5: Behalf of government on. 666 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 3: The caucus refreshing, it's refreshing. But you know, we have 667 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: a problem in our community. I'll give you example. K 668 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 3: at the show French Pashow recently, there's a Chinese lady 669 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: came up to me and she's part of the Chin 670 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 3: family and she's left town. She grew up here, she 671 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: was born here. She left town. She probably she was seventy, 672 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 3: she's seventy, and she lent gone to Bunderburg because he's 673 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: got family there. She said. He said, this is not 674 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: the town that we know. I said, yeah, yeah, and 675 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 3: we knew all the people, similar people. She said, the safety. 676 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: She didn't feel safe in her town anymore, and she 677 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 3: didn't like her town anymore. And she's gone, you know, 678 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 3: and this is it's just not old. She's only seventy. 679 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: So they're the kind She came up to me. She knows, 680 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 3: she knows I couldn't do anything. She said, I can't. 681 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 3: You can't do anything under this, but I want you to. 682 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: I want to let you know so you can go 683 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 3: and tell others. So I'm telling you to people on 684 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 3: the fifth for or who are listening. You are losing 685 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 3: old timers who were born and grew up here because 686 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 3: they don't like our town anymore. And that's the tragedy. 687 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: The bus driver problems. And I heard Barry say that 688 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: there's been thousands of incidences over the number of months, 689 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: which I mean, how devastating is that. I mean, you 690 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: should be able to wake up and go to work 691 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: and feel safe, and. 692 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 4: Clearly they're not. 693 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 2: And it just this is another example of how Territorians 694 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: are feeling and where the government chooses to strengthen the 695 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: windows instead of strengthening the. 696 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 5: Lloyd did we increase the penalties to maniatery stores. 697 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: Well. The other thing I do want to point out 698 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: is that he's also told us about a young girl 699 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: being exposed to like an older man flashing a young girl, 700 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: a school student on a busy, a sexual effects on 701 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: a bus, and also about two girls being assaulted by 702 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: other girls, is my understanding. So these are the types 703 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: of things that for me, as a parent I just 704 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: find mortifying. I know that we all find them mortifying, 705 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: but I also think to myself, I want my. 706 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 4: Kids to grow up in this place. 707 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: And there is so many wonderful things to love about 708 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, our multiculturalism, you know, our. 709 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 4: Absolute there's so much to love. But the kids have 710 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 4: to feel safe as well. 711 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: And if you can see other kids that are doing 712 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: the wrong thing and seemingly not getting in trouble for it, 713 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: what message does that send to our young people. 714 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 5: Well, my daughter rides the bus to school, and you know, kids, 715 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 5: violence is huge at the moment. Social media plays into it, 716 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 5: and I think one of the best things we could 717 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 5: do was banfhone, so we don't give it the status 718 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 5: that it deserves. But more generally, like I said, Katie, 719 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 5: the any social behavior seeing on the bus is a 720 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 5: manifestation that we've seeing in the community. The only way 721 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 5: it's going to be resolved is getting on top of 722 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 5: it with policing resources and programs. And because we did 723 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 5: change the laws, contrary to popular opinion from Mari Claire 724 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 5: and the Liberal Party, we did change the laws around 725 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 5: sentencing for assault worker and bus drivers. You sold a 726 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 5: bus driver you're sold a frontline work, you sold an 727 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 5: ambo doing their job. You deserve to go in time prison. 728 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 5: That's as simple as it is. 729 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 4: Bloody. 730 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: A teenager on a bus, very robust to the hospital 731 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: and get castrated, Well, that's what you do to people 732 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: like that. 733 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 4: I don't understand. 734 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: Can I just quickly say what I'm hearing from Brent? 735 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 2: Those is what I hear from Natasha as well, is 736 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: that there's more consequences than ever before. There's more resourcing 737 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: into police than ever before, and yet we have higher 738 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: rates of crime. The incidences that we are describing here 739 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: are horrific and it's brazen, and yet clearly those consequences 740 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 2: are not being heard by the community. Otherwise we wouldn't 741 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: have these problems. Brent, I just feel like you're playing 742 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: it down so much, and that's that's not what the 743 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: community needs to heap. 744 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 5: I've just acknowledge every single one of those incidents and 745 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 5: teld you what we're doing about it. Not once have 746 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 5: I played it down or denied that it's occurring. My 747 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 5: point is that the resources are there when it gets 748 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 5: before the courts, I actually believe the judges need to 749 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 5: need to start to understand what the community is feeling 750 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 5: and put the community the judges. 751 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 4: Do you think we're in a situation where they're not. 752 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 5: I think in some instance they don't meet expectation at all. 753 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 5: But I'll give you an example. I had a resident 754 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 5: in my community that was assaulted by someone who was 755 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 5: on bay ALMD. That kid should never have been that 756 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 5: young adult eighteen should never have been out on battlest 757 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 5: from my personal opinion, and he went off and as 758 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 5: sold to one of my residents. So from my perspective, 759 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 5: I think sometimes they miss the mark and they need 760 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 5: to be starting a way up there community expectations safety 761 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 5: in the current climate we find. 762 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: Ourselves in, and is the labor government giving them enough 763 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: sentencing options. 764 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 5: I think they've got all the sending, scenting options they need. 765 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 5: There's plenty. Like if we have if the laws aren't 766 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 5: there after a hundred years, you know, we're just tinkering 767 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 5: around the side. The reality is, I think people need 768 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 5: to start to understand the sentiment when they sentence people. 769 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 3: But the trouble the trouble with accept and I acknowledge 770 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: that I like what you're saying, but the trouble is 771 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 3: we can't tell judges what to do lower court or 772 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, and they can't ask for things, they 773 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 3: can't complain, they can't get. 774 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 5: The judge eillion dollars in the budget extra in the 775 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 5: corrections and the judicial. 776 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: So I think, and I've always been one to stick 777 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 3: up for judges because they apply the laws that they're given. However, 778 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 3: there is always leeway in the laws because of the 779 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 3: circumstances that get put before them when someone goes before them. However, 780 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 3: if a strong message has to be sent to community, 781 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 3: then the laws have to be made more rigorous, stronger, 782 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 3: to be more of a deterrent. Then the judges don't 783 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 3: have a choice but to use the legislation that they've 784 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 3: got before. 785 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: We're going to have to take a very quick break, guys. 786 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: It is just twenty minutes away for ten o'clock. Yeah, 787 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: so got to go and pay the bills. You are 788 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: listening to mix on O four nine. It's three sixty. 789 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: It is the week that was and we did obviously 790 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: we have been speaking about a raft of different things, 791 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: but we know that this week the Northern Territory government 792 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: announced plans to improve its justice response to domestic and 793 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: family violence. It is now open for a view with 794 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: the Domestic Family Violence Exposure Draft Bill now online. The 795 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: Justice Legislation Bill for twenty twenty three modernizers the government says, 796 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: as well as re structures and strengthens the Domestic and 797 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: Family Violence Act of two thousand and seven to bring 798 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: it in line with best practices and address inconsistencies in 799 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: the current act. Have you guys had much of a 800 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: chance to have a look through us, and what do 801 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: you make of it? 802 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 3: To overwhelming for me. 803 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: To overwhelming for you, KIZI You'll have to at some 804 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: point very soon, I'm sure. 805 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 2: Maybe, Like I guess, I just want to start by 806 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 2: we know how appalling the rates of domestic violence are 807 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 2: here in the territory and have been growing. I think 808 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 2: it's fifty six percent territory wide that the stats have 809 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: increased from six years ago, which is horrendous. And of course, 810 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 2: you know you've got families of children and wives and 811 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: husbands in some cases that are the ones that have to, 812 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 2: you know, really deal with this. And again it goes 813 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 2: back to that broader problem that we have where we 814 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: have continued to put the rights of offenders above the 815 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 2: rights of victims, and so we welcome any kind of 816 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: change that actually make sure that offenders are dealt with, 817 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: and I just hope that the community is absolutely heard. 818 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 2: I believe that there are been lots of people going forward. 819 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 2: I mean, the mandatory sentencing for a breach of DVO 820 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 2: was abolished under Labor and we'd like to see that 821 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: be reviewed and looked at to come back. And there's 822 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 2: of course a lot of talk about this coercive control 823 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 2: as a sentence and an offense, and I believe that 824 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 2: the Territory in Tasmania are the only two states that 825 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 2: we don't have that as part of our legislation. So yeah, 826 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 2: I was well about our team and lots of terror 827 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 2: telling me they want. 828 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: The thing that we can do to make sure that 829 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: our service providers and those that work on the front 830 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: line and those that are victims of domestic violence, you 831 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: know that we can try to minimize the volume of 832 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: what we are seeing here in the territory. Because even 833 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: when you speak to the Northern Territory Police, they say 834 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: that each and every day they are called out to 835 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: an enormous number of domestic violence incidents. 836 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 5: It's our biggest scourge in this society. So it is 837 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 5: the reason we have all of these social problems where 838 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 5: kids don't want to be at home and it all 839 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 5: leads to the point of a violent act. Now, I 840 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 5: completely agree who your coursive control is emerging more so 841 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 5: on the digital age around money and the control of finances, 842 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 5: and we'll absolutely in agreement on doing something on that. Marclaire. 843 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 5: What I would say, just to clarify, Yes, we did 844 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 5: remove the mandatary sentencing, but like before, we're talking about 845 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 5: tools for judges and giving them the right legislation. We 846 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 5: increase the penalty the maximum penalty for domestic family violence 847 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 5: for breaches. So yes, the manatary sentences gone, but we've 848 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 5: increased the penalty the judges can give, so it gives 849 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,479 Speaker 5: them greater discression to put someone in prison for longer 850 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 5: for the crime they commit. 851 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: Now, so if anybody is keen to have this that 852 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: exposure draft, the Justice Legislation Amendment Domestic and Family Violence 853 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: Bill is available now for consultation. So I would encourage 854 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: people to jump online if you are certainly if you're 855 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: a service provider or somebody involved in that sector, or 856 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: the victim, someone with lived experience, absolutely make sure that 857 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: you jump online and have your voice heard. Now, I 858 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: also want to just briefly touch on and I know 859 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: that this happens after every election, but proposed changes to 860 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: the Northern Territories electoral boundaries. They've been released ahead of 861 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election, with some changes expected to 862 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: well potentially result in swings within the electorates of the 863 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: Northern Territory. Electoral Commission review happens after every four years, 864 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: or every four it happens. 865 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 4: Before every election. 866 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: And we know that we're heading off to the poles 867 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: again August next year. 868 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 4: Goodness, may you considerably feel it coming. I feel I. 869 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 3: Feel for poor people in what's the place down the 870 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 3: bottom of Parmesan. Marlow Lagoon has they wanted to go 871 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 3: into Nelson. Marlo Lagoon has been in and out of 872 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:44,720 Speaker 3: Goider in every election. Marlow Lagoon changes. It's some really 873 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 3: electric yep. I'm good for under your election it goes 874 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 3: to Nelson or to Nelson. It's been in, it's been 875 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 3: in Gorda, it came out of Goida, it's been in 876 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 3: one of the ones who's Armstan came out of that, 877 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 3: it's gone somewhere else. And this one, I don't know 878 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 3: who's got it in Parmesan. The moment now they're promoting 879 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 3: to those poor people in Marlow. 880 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 2: They need their own seat because it's five hundred odd people, 881 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 2: and so I guess it's a smaller number in most episode, 882 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 2: between eighteen hundred and two and a half thousand. 883 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 3: It's just it's just one of those fun it is 884 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 3: sort of semi rule. So I guess there's a bit 885 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 3: of a fit there. There's sort of one acre blocks 886 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 3: I think down. 887 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 2: It it is on the other side of Nelson though 888 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 2: serious like, are. 889 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: There any serious concerns from the independence all the major 890 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: political parties in terms. 891 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 3: Of regards to myself. Well, yes, we're in. 892 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: Teams of any of those seats that you think, oh, 893 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: hang on a seat, maybe that shouldn't happen. 894 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 3: We'll see what happened. That all seats roughly have five 895 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 3: and a half thousands voters roughly, and so we try 896 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 3: and keep that balance and you have a twenty percent 897 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 3: leeway up or down either way. My seed of Gord 898 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 3: is okay, I'm within the boundaries or the limits, whatever 899 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 3: you call it. But when you've got a growth area 900 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 3: or lots of high rises or whatever going like perhaps 901 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 3: in the Fanny Bay, then it bumps them up and spill. 902 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 3: It's way over. I think they've got about seven and 903 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 3: a half thousand voters. Yeah, it's it's a real challenge. 904 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 3: And the people for people listening, the people on the 905 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 3: committee is of course the electoral Commissioner, the Surveyor General 906 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 3: because he knows about maps and things, and of course 907 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 3: the order to General because he's got to keep an 908 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 3: eye on everything. And I think an independent chairman might 909 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 3: be Trevor right, So you know, they and I did 910 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 3: put in a submission because people can, people can suggest 911 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,240 Speaker 3: changing the name of your electrics. 912 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 5: It was interesting seeing some of the name change. I 913 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 5: can't remember the top heavy. There's a lot of people 914 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 5: putting in name chain. I think at the end of 915 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 5: the day, Sarah tooin Zimmy well represented by whoever their 916 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 5: local member is. And from a personal point of view, 917 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 5: it looks like I'll pick up a bit of coconut grove. 918 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 5: There's one more consultation round. Either way, I'll be out 919 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 5: the doors. I know you will be. You'll be on 920 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 5: the doors. 921 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 3: If you get a new area, you know you've just 922 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 3: got to go out and meet go. But the commission 923 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 3: does try and as I call it, keep lik and 924 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 3: like together and That's what I said in my bridve submission. 925 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 3: You know, if there are changes, I don't want any 926 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 3: of those parmesan people. You don't want any town want 927 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,720 Speaker 3: any town is us rural people like to just be rural. 928 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 3: I quite like all my areas. I love Marathi how 929 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 3: to docation all those kinds of areas. So they try 930 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 3: and keep liking like for the less reasons. You know, 931 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 3: you've got the harmonies for synergies and all that sort 932 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 3: of stuff. So if people are interested, hop on the 933 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,359 Speaker 3: Electrocnician's website because jump online. I have everyone's comments there 934 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 3: who put in comments, and labor party in the seal. 935 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 3: People look at it very carefully because it can change 936 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 3: the balance of power within an electric and they can 937 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 3: have a nice suburb that goes one way and then 938 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 3: they lose it and it could go to the. 939 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 5: Other part anyway, whoever is incumbent. You know, as long 940 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 5: as you're talking to your people, when you're outdoor, k 941 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 5: you're talking to peop. 942 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,280 Speaker 3: We've got four years. 943 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 2: In Palmerston, like you alluded to, there's been a lot 944 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 2: of changes and yeah, so they've almost that split the 945 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 2: whole thing up quite differently. In my opinion, and what 946 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 2: it means to me is that there will be a 947 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 2: whole suburb which will go to another electorate. 948 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 3: Molden's gone out of one and into another. 949 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 2: That's one of them. Yeah, and then one in mine 950 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 2: as well, which is gone. And so you know, part 951 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 2: of me goes, oh, well, I'm saddened by that because 952 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 2: I genuinely got to know a lot of those people 953 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 2: and you know, you represent them. But then in the 954 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,720 Speaker 2: same breath I also say that, you know, we always 955 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 2: welcome changes like this because for me, like I represent 956 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 2: all of Parmeerstan, I'm always there to speak to any 957 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 2: territorians that want to share, you know, what's going on, 958 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 2: especially in a time that we have, like you know, 959 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,280 Speaker 2: we want to be speaking to as many territorians as possible, 960 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 2: So it probably doesn't matter what it looks like on 961 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 2: a piece of paper, as long as they know they. 962 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: Can always feasure out me. Well, look, we're going to 963 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: take a really short break. When we come back, we 964 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: might talk briefly about something that has gone on in 965 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: Brent Portter's Electrics v Park. 966 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 4: So that's coming you along, that's coming your way in 967 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 4: just a moment right here on mix. 968 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: Well, if you have just joined us in the studio 969 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: today is Mary Claire Booth, be Keasier Puric and Brent Potter. 970 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 1: And we know that throughout the week, well, the Darwin 971 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: Council they had sort of moved forward, I guess, on 972 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: a contentious RV park plan despite their own survey finding 973 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: that most of respondents were against the move. 974 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 4: But it's maybe not as clear cut as what it seems. 975 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 4: I know that. 976 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 1: Well, Brent Potter, you've been dubbed a bit of a 977 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 1: nimby for not wanting it to go ahead. 978 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 5: If that's the title of Fitzkad, I'll take it. But 979 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 5: I've made it very clear from the start. I just 980 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 5: wanted the proper planning process and consultation to occur, and 981 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 5: I've made it clear from day dot. The dal and 982 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 5: Bowles Club has been trying to do this for youx 983 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 5: and it's a great spot and it's a better solution 984 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 5: to what they're trying to fix. But Congo and your 985 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 5: radio and said if the people don't want it, we 986 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 5: won't progress with it. Well, fifty eight percent didn't want it, 987 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 5: and now he's progressing with it with one little caveat 988 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,359 Speaker 5: that says pending Minister. You will approve. And the reason 989 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 5: they put that in their KDI is because they don't 990 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 5: have the planning approvals under the current zoning requirements of 991 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 5: Bundella to put a caravan park there. And they were 992 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 5: told by the Minute the Department in writing they couldn't 993 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 5: do it, and they responded saying, oh we can, and 994 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 5: now they can't. So statistically a. 995 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 3: Caravan park though, because rbs have to supply everything themselves, 996 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 3: that's not really. 997 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 5: Under the zoning. Under the zoning it would be caravan park. 998 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 5: And this is what the Department tried to make very 999 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 5: clear to city Council, to which then they wrote back 1000 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 5: and rebutted saying no, we can do it. And we 1001 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 5: find ourselves in a position when the majority of the 1002 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 5: people didn't want it, counsel looking to the minister to 1003 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 5: bail them out. 1004 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: It's funny though, because it was only a very like 1005 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 1: it was a pretty small majority. 1006 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 5: Wasn't thirty eight still more than sorry? Thirty eight didn't 1007 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 5: want it? So did want it? Fifty eight did didn't 1008 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 5: want it so because we didn't want it. 1009 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: So we've got quite a bit mixed bag that we've had, 1010 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: like in terms of interaction from our. 1011 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 4: Listeners, some people going. 1012 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: You know what, give something a go in that spot, 1013 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,399 Speaker 1: because as it currently sits, it's a beautiful view. It's 1014 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: a beautiful spot, but it is it's a spot of 1015 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: social behavior. 1016 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 5: Let's do it at the balls clubs we. 1017 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,439 Speaker 4: Then do you reckon at that at the Bundilla Beach. 1018 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 5: Two things that I've been on your radio before about it. 1019 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 5: Let's put the three million dollars straight in the Bundella. 1020 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 5: Let's activate it with basketball half court lights, food vans, 1021 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 5: play equipment, and let's start enforcing our by laws so 1022 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 5: people don't camp down there, and then police can come 1023 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 5: and assist in the afternoon with the drinking. It's working 1024 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 5: at each point you go down there in a weekend. Katie, 1025 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 5: it's been good lately, and that the food vans are back, 1026 00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 5: Mick is good. 1027 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 3: I reckon. Look, I know because I have a few 1028 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 3: friends come up every year and they stay at my 1029 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 3: place and you know, great, no mess to not really 1030 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 3: gray though, and they love it and don't it's an 1031 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 3: urban myth that these people don't spend money. They spend 1032 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 3: shiploads up here. They drive nice fans, nice caravans, They 1033 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 3: go and look at touristy things the Glenty for example, 1034 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 3: and drink drink, enjoy a wine. But they're a fabulous 1035 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 3: asset and I think, yeah, next to the Bowls Club 1036 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 3: will be really good because they do love that kind 1037 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 3: of thing, and. 1038 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 5: They're a small club and they do eat out a lot. 1039 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 3: These people, you know, I know I'm generalizing, but they 1040 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 3: do eat out a lot, and they. 1041 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: Do want any visitors that we can get to the 1042 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: Northern Territory that are you know, they are going to 1043 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: go out and enjoy the wonderful place. 1044 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 3: Katie. The numbers are definitely down in house from Tenant 1045 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 3: and and Alice. It's shocking that the number of travelers. 1046 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 3: And I've just had some friends come up yesterday. They 1047 00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,760 Speaker 3: arrived with their van and they said it was pretty 1048 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 3: cool on the road. 1049 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 2: I was just about to say that, I mean, how 1050 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 2: many people do you speak to? And I certainly noticed it. 1051 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 2: Everyone's saying where are the caravans. I mean, usually at 1052 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 2: this time every year you almost get annoyed with the 1053 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,280 Speaker 2: amount of traffic on our roads. 1054 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 3: I've checked cooled Linger caravan packages near my office and 1055 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 3: there's a section down or thinking and last year, I 1056 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,800 Speaker 3: think it was with the year before, it was shockers 1057 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 3: like a sardine camp. Yeah, this year's so far not 1058 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,240 Speaker 3: so exactly. Now, if they're not coming to the territory, 1059 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,319 Speaker 3: they're going somewhere. I certainly I don't know where they're going. 1060 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 3: Get in society issue. We want them to come back here, 1061 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 3: but they learnly come back here when we start to 1062 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 3: get a better reputation for being a safe destination. 1063 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 2: That is true because no amount of marketing money spent 1064 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,800 Speaker 2: is going to stop someone from googling the Northern Territory 1065 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 2: and then those horrific crime stories to be shown first 1066 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:42,720 Speaker 2: and foremost. 1067 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: And before we wrap up this morning, we did, obviously 1068 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 1: say just a little while ago, there was confirmation that 1069 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,479 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister wasn't in Catherine earlier in the week, 1070 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: Marie Claire, contrary to what you had said it. But yeah, 1071 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: somebody has just sent through as well and said we'll 1072 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,879 Speaker 1: hang on a second. On Facebook, it says she was there, 1073 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: but so on all it's an. 1074 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 5: Eva was down there doing the budget release. That story 1075 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 5: relates to one of the budget released stories that Eva 1076 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 5: did when she was down there. So the Chief wasn't 1077 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 5: in Catherine. And I'm on record now saying the Chief 1078 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 5: wasn't in Katherine, so she was. 1079 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 2: Intending to be in Katherine on that day. 1080 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 5: Well, you and I both know that we release stories 1081 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 5: the day that we do it, and I'm sure I 1082 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 5: post stuff a couple of days later because I forget 1083 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 5: to do it on the day. 1084 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 2: Three hour drive to Catherine and then speed. There's no 1085 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 2: caravans on the road, so it is a nice easy drive. 1086 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 2: I think you know I'm going to be down in 1087 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 2: Katherine this weekend. I'd love to see the Chief Minister 1088 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,839 Speaker 2: down there and show you guys check. 1089 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 5: We'll go and talk to her and remind her about 1090 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:39,839 Speaker 5: the issue going on there. 1091 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: Well, we have run out of time unfortunately. Mary Claire Boothby, 1092 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 1: always great to have you on the show. Thanks so 1093 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 1: much for your time this morning. Thank you, Katie, keezyer Puric. 1094 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your time today. 1095 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie, Mike Pleasure. Going to have a nice 1096 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 3: quiet weekend this weekend. I'm not having anything to do 1097 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 3: with four legged kids, two legged kids, prams, ducks, geese. 1098 00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 2: Anything to get our chickens from them. 1099 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:00,160 Speaker 5: Thank you. 1100 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 3: The Worst Pass Show was a really good weekend, but 1101 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 3: bloody exhausters take a whole week to get over. 1102 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 4: Brainch Potter, Thanks so much for your time this morning. 1103 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,399 Speaker 5: Thanks Catie, always good to be here 1104 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 4: Wonderful thanks, Thank you all so much.