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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torbert and on today's show, we are finishing our

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Speaker 1: influencer countdown. Yes, so last time we counted from six

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Speaker 1: to ten. Now we're doing the top five, just to

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Speaker 1: refresh everyone's memories. Coming in at number ten was the

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Speaker 1: Steph Claire Smith Uber eats deal which featured her son Harvey.

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Speaker 1: Even though they no longer show his face, it was

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Speaker 1: quite contentious. His face was very creatively concealed during that ad.

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Speaker 1: Sharing ninth spot was Olivia Rodgers and her ex husband

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Speaker 1: Justin mckinn's separate pregnancy and OUs to other people yeap.

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Speaker 1: Then an eighth spot was the Sabi artwork controversy. One

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Speaker 1: of the owners of the company was accused of painting

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Speaker 1: over an artist's artwork. Then in seventh spot we had

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Speaker 1: Georgia Love and Lee Elliott's divorce signaling the fact that

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Speaker 1: love is dead. That was very upsetting and coming in

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Speaker 1: at six spot, my personal favorite was Molly May and

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Speaker 1: Tommy Fury reuniting, so there is hopefull Lee and Georgia

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Speaker 1: now coming in a fifth spot, as voted by Outspoken.

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Speaker 1: Is Indy Clinton hiring a PI to expose her trolls?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: She put her trolls on warning in May after experiencing

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Speaker 1: relentless online harassment over her nose job. So she called

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Speaker 1: in reinforcements in the form of a private investigator. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so she broke the news about the PI during a

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Speaker 1: Q and A. She wrote, the anonymous accounts and the

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Speaker 1: faceless people hiding behind them need to be held accountable.

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Speaker 1: I'm here to make a change for my children, your children,

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Speaker 1: your nieces and nephews. She then went on to say,

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Speaker 1: here to make an impact and a difference. I'm absolutely

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Speaker 1: shocked at who these people are. That's all I can

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Speaker 1: say for now, as it's an ongoing investigation. Now a

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Speaker 1: month later, and this was literally the weekend before I

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Speaker 1: was about to give birth, Indy rather dramatically returned to

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Speaker 1: her stories to share the results that her PI had uncovered.

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Speaker 1: And I was devastated by the time in because I

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Speaker 1: wanted to be all across this, but I missed out

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Speaker 1: on this episode. That bit of a fun fact for you. Now,

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Speaker 1: over a glass of wine and I say a glass.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps it were several glasses, because Indy did confirm that

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Speaker 1: she was quite intoxicated by this stage. She revealed that

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Speaker 1: her PI had delivered her a sixty four page report

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Speaker 1: containing detailed information about her most prolific trolls. So she

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Speaker 1: declared to her trolls, let me tell you you are

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Speaker 1: not anonymous, because they literally have every fucking detail she

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Speaker 1: wanted to say that she knew specific details about her trolls,

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Speaker 1: including their Australian business numbers, where they gave birth, their

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Speaker 1: tattoo designs, and even the names of their kindecologists. That's

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Speaker 1: a lot of personal invation here. Now. The report also

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Speaker 1: uncovered that, disturbingly, the majority of Indie's trolls were from

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Speaker 1: Melbourne and were mothers.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: In the end, Indy took the highroad and said she

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be naming or shaming. She said it just wouldn't

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Speaker 1: beneficial for anyone to do so. It really did seem

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Speaker 1: to spark a movement though online, particularly because only a

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Speaker 1: few weeks later the owner of tattle Life, a notorious

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Speaker 1: hate forum, was unmasked. Coming in in fourth spot is

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Speaker 1: Sarah's Day's canceled perfume collaboration. This one was huge. So

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Speaker 1: in July, Sarah announced her collaboration with fragrance brand who

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Speaker 1: Is Elijah was over. Sarah was set to launch her

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Speaker 1: own signature perfume with the Australian Fragrance House and had

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Speaker 1: been documenting the process to her one point two million followers.

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Speaker 1: She ended up sharing the news on her Instagram story

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Speaker 1: and it didn't take long for things to get messy.

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Speaker 1: So she claimed that she had been working on the

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Speaker 1: collaboration for two years after the brand reached out to

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Speaker 1: her to make a fragrance. Sarah said that she felt

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Speaker 1: she owed her followers an update as she had documented

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Speaker 1: the entire process. Let's take it a loft.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to sit down and update you guys

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Speaker 4: on something you've been asking me a lot about, and

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Speaker 4: that is my collaboration with who Is Elijah. So two

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Speaker 4: years ago they reached out to me to make a

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Speaker 4: fragrance with them, and as you know, I have documented

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Speaker 4: the entire process. You guys have come along on the

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Speaker 4: journey and we were all really excited and unfortunately it's

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Speaker 4: no longer happening. And I'm sure you're asking why, and honestly,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, I'm just as disheartened, I guess as you guys,

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Speaker 4: and I was really excited about this collaboration. But it's

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Speaker 4: just not happening. That is, unfortunately the update. However, I

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Speaker 1: And forget that ever happened.

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Speaker 4: I wipe it from my mind, wipe it from all

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Speaker 3: Okay, you get things, don't. That's love, that it's fun.

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Speaker 1: A few hours after Sarah's announcement, Raquel Buris released her

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Speaker 1: own statement on Instagram. In it, she said that they

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Speaker 1: all have so much love and respect for Sarah, and

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Speaker 1: the decision to pause the collab wasn't random or without reason.

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Speaker 1: She said, as the brand grows into international markets, they've

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Speaker 1: had to make some tough calls to stay focused on

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Speaker 1: global plans, which meant shifting their resources towards retail expansion

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Speaker 1: and other internal priorities. Despite both parties having their say,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't the last we heard from Sarah, so Sarah's

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Speaker 1: real started to go viral. It attracted over one point

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Speaker 1: two million views and five hundred comments, and the comment

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Speaker 1: section itself turned into an absolute free for all, with

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Speaker 1: Sarah's fan slamming who is Elijah. Sarah also didn't hold

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Speaker 1: back in the comment section, so while she was quite

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Speaker 1: constraint in the video, she was dropping the extra details

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Speaker 1: very angry and upset that the collaboration had ended. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In the comment section, she revealed that she learned the

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Speaker 1: like she was being strung along for free promo and content.

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Speaker 1: She also alleged that she didn't receive a dime for

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Speaker 1: the collaboration and everything she did was in good faith

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Speaker 1: because she was committed to the project. She even labeled

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Speaker 1: the situation ikey and wrote, Honestly, it's not about the

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Speaker 1: money for me, It's about the time and the sneakiness

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Speaker 1: of it all. Just using the word sneaky, you can

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Speaker 1: tell how fired she would have been. She even told

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Speaker 1: a follower that she'd kept the sample of the sense

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Speaker 1: she created just to make sure that who was Elijah

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Speaker 1: also complained about the brand taking valuable time away from

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Speaker 1: her and her kids. She wrote, it's about the time

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Speaker 1: my baby so I could work on it. Time is

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Speaker 1: the most valuable commodity, truly. I kind of get that

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Speaker 1: now as a mum, though, Like anytime you do have

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Speaker 1: but I kind of I feel like I get Sarah's

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Speaker 1: Day more now that I'm a mum, but that you're

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Speaker 1: time as parenting. I actually feel like there has been

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Speaker 1: a bit of a swing and more people like Sarah's

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Speaker 1: Day now, Like I think people are sort of over

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Speaker 1: the cancelation or the canceling of influences. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: cancel culture has been left in the early twenties and

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Speaker 1: we're moving towards people just being exhausted over this constant

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Speaker 1: cancelation of people and being like, if you don't like it,

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Speaker 1: unfollow it. See I was listening to the episode that

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Speaker 1: you guys it would have been a few weeks now

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Speaker 1: recorded about Sarah's Day's luxury beach house, and you guys

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Speaker 1: had the conversation where you were talking about that people

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Speaker 1: think that we hate Sarah's Day. I love her videos.

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Speaker 1: I used to get criticized for being too much of

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Speaker 1: a Sarah's Day, Stan, But as you said, I think

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Speaker 1: in death on the podcast. You can like someone but

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Speaker 1: be disappointed by the content that they put out. It's

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Speaker 1: not particularly that I would use the word like her like.

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Speaker 1: I would say I enjoy her content, and I have

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Speaker 1: been following her for you know, seven or eight years now,

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Speaker 1: so she seems like someone you know and you're following along.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a friend of a friend. You

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily like them, but you're interested in their life,

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Speaker 1: Like when you catch up with your friend, you want

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Speaker 1: to hear the update of what's going on with that person.

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Speaker 1: See I just I have loved her life style from

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Speaker 1: All vlogs feel great Anyway, let's get back to this.

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Speaker 1: So in the comment section, one fans comment ended up

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Speaker 1: triggering a war of words between Sarah and the CEO

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Speaker 1: of Who Is elijahs So, Sarah's follower wrote, seems pretty

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Speaker 1: deceitful and sneaky. They just used you for free promotion

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Speaker 1: if you signed a contract, can you sue them? And

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Speaker 1: Sarah ended up liking the comment and replied, Unfortunately, I

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Speaker 1: CEO Adam Boris, who is Raquel's husband, entered the chat.

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Speaker 1: He wrote, Sarah, this is absolute rubbish and you know this.

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Speaker 1: You are fueling this with a false narrative. Sarah replied,

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Speaker 1: would you like me to forward you the email my

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Speaker 1: team was blindsided with after two years of working on

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Speaker 1: Some things work and some things don't, and we move on.

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Speaker 1: That is business. We apologized for the change in direction

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Speaker 1: and offered to still do the perfume under your own brand,

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Speaker 1: completely your own, which we fully supported, which was immediately rejected.

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Speaker 1: I won't stand and watch you gaslight your own followers

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Speaker 1: husband Kurt then entered the chat himself. He fired up

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Speaker 1: writing to Adam, tread careful as you threaten a woman.

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Speaker 1: Come on, mate, Sarah hasn't said a single bat thing

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Speaker 1: about the two of you, the team, or the brand.

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Speaker 1: She has simply let her community know that it's not

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Speaker 1: going ahead, which, considering she has shared pretty much every

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Speaker 1: eleven years, it's a pretty normal thing now. A couple

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Speaker 1: of days later, Raquel ended up releasing a very eloquent

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Speaker 1: that she wasn't initially going to respond, but she felt

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Speaker 1: she had to say something after someone with such a

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Speaker 1: huge platform was encouraging bullying and spreading false narratives about

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Speaker 1: her brand. That was a very strong comment. She continued,

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Speaker 1: saying that who was Elijah ended the contract well within

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Speaker 1: the agreed terms and there was no breach. She also

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Speaker 1: end the collaboration and what she received back from Sarah

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Speaker 1: was unprofessional. She then went on to say that Sarah's

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Speaker 1: was simply untrue. She also went on to say that

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Speaker 1: who Is Elijah was responsible for everything, including the fragrance, sampling, manufacturing, logistics,

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Speaker 1: and compliances. She said Sarah's involvement stopped at the sampling stage,

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Speaker 1: and she finished up by saying what Sarah said was

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Speaker 1: Indy Clinton's nose job. So back in March, if you'll

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Speaker 1: believe it, Indy revealed on TikTok that she was set

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Speaker 1: I mean it was great timing to release our five

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Speaker 1: and people started to sympathize with him. That didn't happen instantly, though,

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Speaker 1: because I think it was a day after they went

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Speaker 1: public with the divorce, Matt was spotted out at an

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Speaker 1: NFL event with Taylor Little, a blonde journalist who looked

436
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: a lot like Tammy hembro. People were like, we knew it,

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00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: you know, people were thinking that he cheated. But the

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Speaker 1: tide definitely has turned. I think a big part of

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Speaker 1: that was the fact that Tammy was spotted very early

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Speaker 1: on as well with AFL Heartthrob Bailey Smith. That relationship,

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Speaker 1: as we have documented very closely on this podcast, fizzled out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was quite a crashing blow for Tammy because they

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Speaker 1: were papped, I believe in August, so they were spotted

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Speaker 1: kissing and holding hands at a Gold Coast venue and

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Speaker 1: then papped together. And then I think two weeks later,

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Speaker 1: they both shared that they were out at dinner together

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00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: on Instagram, so Instagram official, and everyone was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, so she's coming to the Brownlow. There were

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Speaker 1: a lot of whisky Instagram official as such. They just

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Speaker 1: shared that they were dinner together. Yeah, but his hand

451
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: was on her legs. It was a lot, but yeah,

452
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: people assumed, oh my god, that means Tammy Hembro is

453
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Speaker 1: coming to the Brownlow. But in a very crushing blow

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Speaker 1: ahead of Football's Night of Nights, Bailey told the Kyle

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Speaker 1: and Jackie O Show that he and Tammy were just

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Speaker 1: mates and he would not be bringing her as he

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Speaker 1: didn't want to bore her with footy talk. What an

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Speaker 1: ultimate burn there. I know. I felt so bad for

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Speaker 1: Tammy in that moment. But since then, she has been

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Speaker 1: spotted getting quite cozy with the head of her management

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00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: company that was at a fast fashion event. Then she's

462
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Speaker 1: gone completely Mia. She's gone and filmed for this reality

463
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Speaker 1: show called Shark, but she's back online. She's already been

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Speaker 1: causing a stir pre Christmas. There were rumors that she

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Speaker 1: was with another guy. He ended up being her actual manager,

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Speaker 1: who was also a part of his management company. Well,

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Speaker 1: the thing is, I think that people have seen Tammy's

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Speaker 1: behavior being deemed her behavior as being attention seeking because

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Speaker 1: shortly after her divorce, she also posted a string of

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Speaker 1: videos alongside her baby daddy Rhyese Hawkins, and people thought

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Speaker 1: it was a bit a bit unfair because he'd recently

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Speaker 1: got into relationship with Live Kelly, which has subsequently gone

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Speaker 1: to shit. Live Kelly's now back with her ex Jamara

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Speaker 1: google Hagen, so it's all very messy. I think we

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00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: actually need to draw up one of those like family

476
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: trees of all of the relationships that involved Tammy Pembrow

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Speaker 1: and her exes, like it would be this dis influencer

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Speaker 1: web we do. It's quite interesting because initially Matt said

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Speaker 1: that he wasn't going to touch on the divorce or

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Speaker 1: anything to do with Tammy, But as soon as the

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Speaker 1: Bailey Smith news went public, he backtracked and he suddenly

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00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: started talking about how the relationship impacted his mental health

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Speaker 1: and how he felt about it all. And I think

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Speaker 1: people appreciated him being so open and honest about it,

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00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: and he started to kind of have this puppy dog

486
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: energy about him. Yeah, I mean it started to win

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Speaker 1: us over. It'd be interesting to see how he goes

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Speaker 1: next year. I wonder if he might fade into obscurity

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Well, after seeing how many downloads they

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00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: get on their podcast, I feel like that might be

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Speaker 1: a thing now coming in in top spot. Drummer Allso

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Speaker 1: is the cancelation of TikToker Anna paul So. In February,

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00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: the beloved TikToker and OnlyFans creators reputation was in tatters

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Speaker 1: following explosive claims made by her former friend and fellow

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Speaker 1: creator Mikayla Testa. So this bust up dominated Millennial and

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Speaker 1: gen Zetters for you pages four months, with a level

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Speaker 1: of the scandal being compared to the twenty nineteen Taddy

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Speaker 1: Westbrook and James Charles drama. Now. The drama was first

499
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: ignited when Anna told her followers she would be randomly

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Speaker 1: gifting cash rewards to new subscribers who signed up to

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Speaker 1: her Only Fans account. This is where Mikayla Tester entered

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Speaker 1: the chat. She slammed her former friend on Instagram, accusing

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Speaker 1: her of running an illegal lot and taking advantage of children.

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00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: She then proceeded to unfollow her. Now, this came as

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00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: a real shock to the public because despite Michayla breaking

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00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: up with Anna's brother Addas several years earlier, the women

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00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: still seem to be on good terms with each other. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember being surprised because they were still leaving pretty

509
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: nice comments on each other's videos. Now, things escalated further

510
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: when Michayla uploated an eight minute video making explosive claims

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Speaker 1: about her former friend. So Michayla called Anna calculated, manipulative,

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Speaker 1: and evil, and alleged the popular TikToker doesn't care about

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Speaker 1: her fans. She told a story about an encounter Anna

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Speaker 1: had with a fan, claiming that she called the fan

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00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: annoying and gross and said that she didn't want to

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00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: hug her because she was quote fat and quote sweaty.

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00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: Michayla also accused her of lying about her upbringing, so

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Speaker 1: a big part of Anna's appeal was the fact that

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Speaker 1: she had this rags to Richard's story. However, according to Mikayla,

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00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: Anna allegedly grew up in an upper middle class family.

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00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Mikayla also made some very big accusations about her ex

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Speaker 1: boyfriend Addis Paul, which we will go into in a second.

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Speaker 1: But for almost a week, it was radio silence from

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Speaker 1: the pool camp until Anna uploaded her own eight minute

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Speaker 1: TikTok declaring she felt broke growing up. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to some of what she said.

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Speaker 3: The second one is that I lie about growing up broke. Now,

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00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: I do not lie about the fact that I grew

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Speaker 3: up broke. I when I say I grew up broke,

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Speaker 3: that is my experience. That is how I felt. When

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Speaker 3: I can hear my parents talking in the kitchen that

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Speaker 3: the budget for the groceries that week is thirty dollars,

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Speaker 3: it makes me feel broke when we kind affords gre uniforms.

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Speaker 3: It makes me feel broke when I'm eleven. When I'm

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Speaker 3: ten and all my friends can afford something and my

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Speaker 3: parents can't, it makes me feel broke when they say, oh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how we're gonna afford rent next week.

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Speaker 3: That makes me scared. It makes me feel broke. That

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Speaker 3: does not mean that I was the most broke person

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Speaker 3: on earth. There are definitely people in way worse situations.

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Speaker 3: But that does not mean that I'm lying about the

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Speaker 3: fact that I felt broke during those times.

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Speaker 1: While this story was very serious, it was pretty funny

544
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: because DJs began remixing Anna paulse I felt broke line

545
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: into songs and it was became this trending sound on

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Speaker 1: TikTok with users miming to it. I mean, you can

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Speaker 1: see why I got such a big reaction because she

548
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: was essentially saying that being poor as a mindset, it

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00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: was just ridiculous. Now, in the video, Ana also denied

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00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: calling a fan fat, but she actually seemed to land

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00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: herself in more hot water saying this.

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Speaker 3: The first thing I want to address is that apparently

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, a fan came up to me

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Speaker 3: and we hugged, and after she's walked away, I said,

555
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Speaker 3: oh my god, she was so fat and sweaty. Now,

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00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: I do not call my fans fat. That's not who

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Speaker 3: I am. That's not what I saandple, that's not what

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Speaker 3: I've ever stood for. But you youre's no big sure, that's.

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Speaker 2: Not what I stample sweaty.

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Speaker 3: However, I may have called her sweaty because when somebody

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Speaker 3: is wet and they touch you and then they leave,

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00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: and when you're with your friend and you are now

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Speaker 3: wets because of them. You may say I am now

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Speaker 3: wet again. This was four years ago, but that may

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Speaker 3: have happened. And I also know that people would have

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Speaker 3: hugged me, walked away and said.

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Speaker 1: Anna Paul was sweaty.

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Speaker 2: That does not make them a bad person.

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Speaker 3: That's just them pointing out that after two people touched,

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Speaker 3: they are now sweaty or wet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she definitely dug a deeper hole for herself, declaring

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Speaker 1: that after her meat and greet she had to wipe

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Speaker 1: herself down with wet wipes to get rid of the

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Speaker 1: bo smell from fans, like, you know, way to make

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Speaker 1: it worse. Yeah. Now, this drama was taking up a

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Speaker 1: notch when Mikayla dropped a three part tell all podcast

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Speaker 1: about the polls. And I don't want to downplay how

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Speaker 1: huge the first drop of Mikayla's podcast was. This was

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Speaker 1: all over TikTok and people were posting about the snacks

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00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: that they were preparing to eat in front of it.

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Speaker 1: It felt like this was this real moment that everyone

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Speaker 1: was tuning in for at the same time. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: collectively the episodes went for six hours and we covered

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Speaker 1: them in depth. But let's quickly run through some of

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Speaker 1: the main takeaways. So Episode one was incredibly explosive. In it,

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Speaker 1: Mikayla provided receipts proving Anna and Adas didn't grow up poor,

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00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: presenting photos of them growing up in a waterfront home

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00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: and wearing designer clothes. She also alleged that Anna fat

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00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: shamed her own beloved ex boyfriend, Glenn Thompson. There were

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00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: also claims that Anna and Adas had a weird dynamic

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00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: and that he shot her only fans content. Michaela also

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00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: claims that she was financially abused by Adis Paul, with

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Speaker 1: him taking a fifty percent cut as her manager for

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00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: doing very minimal work. She also then made very chilling

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00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: allegations about domestic and emotional abuse at the hands of Addis,

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Speaker 1: which for legal reasons we cannot go into. She did

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Speaker 1: speak about an incident where Adis allegedly held a knife

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Speaker 1: to his own throat and threatened to harm himself if

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Speaker 1: she left him. They're all very chilling allegations, won't they Yeah.

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Speaker 1: She also alleged that Adias tried to silence his ex

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Speaker 1: girlfriend Alice Patterson, who spoke out about him in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. Alleging he took advantage of her. She was

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Speaker 1: thirteen at the time when they were dating and he

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00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: was sixteen. Now The Smoking Gun was an unedited version

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Speaker 1: of the poll's statement about the incident at the time,

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00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: where Adas joked that for most of their relationship he

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00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: barely thought that she was hot. It also showed that

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Speaker 1: Anna was aware of a fake cease and desist letter

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Speaker 1: that they previously denied having any involvement in, and it

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Speaker 1: also showed her admitting to driving to Alice's house to

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Speaker 1: confront her. Yeah, and if those allegations weren't explosive enough.

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Speaker 1: In episode two, TikTok Girl Sofa Dophah was dragged into

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Speaker 1: the controversy, with Mikayla accusing Anna of making derogatory comments

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Speaker 1: about her appearance and social media content. So According to Mikayla,

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Speaker 1: Anna would allegedly comment on Sofi Doph's supposed close set eyes. Now,

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Speaker 1: Sofa wasn't the only influencer in the firing line. Mikayla

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00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: claimed that Anna and Adams would regularly make fun of

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Speaker 1: TikToker Jack Cooper, who was an Anna Paul super fan.

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Speaker 1: She also allegedly made derogatory comments about Isabelle Clark. Michayla

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Speaker 1: also accused Anna of mistreating her pet birds, alleging the

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Speaker 1: birds were kept in their cages and only led out

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Speaker 1: to film content. Now, in the final installment of Michayla's podcast,

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Speaker 1: she spilt the tea on Anna's relationship with her new boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: Amrik Obaane. She alleged that Amrik's parents owned the stables

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Speaker 1: where Anna's horse was kept, and that the two met

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Speaker 1: whilst he was working at the stables. Now, Michayla alleges

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00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: that emotional cheating took place as Anna was still with

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Speaker 1: her long term boyfriend Glenn at the time. She also

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Speaker 1: used this episode to champion the voices of Addis's other

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Speaker 1: alleged victims. Now. At this point, everyone was waiting for

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Speaker 1: a comment from Team Paul and Anna and Adis broke

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Speaker 1: the internet when they responded to Michayla's podcast allegations, bringing

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Speaker 1: apparent receipts of their own. Yeah, Adams came out swinging.

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Speaker 1: In a written statement, he accused Mikayla of you using

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Speaker 1: their toxic relationship as a weapon to destroy his sister

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Speaker 1: and assume her life, and also said she was setting

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Speaker 1: out to be Australia's biggest influencer. He did then take

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Speaker 1: some accountability, saying some of the stories Mikayla told about

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Speaker 1: him were true, whilst others were absurdly exaggerated. Now Anna

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Speaker 1: also responded in a lengthy twenty six minute video entitled

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00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: enough is Enough. In it, she denied the long list

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00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: of supposed lies Michayla ed on her podcast, basically refuting

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00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: every claim that she made. She also tried to assassinate

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Speaker 1: Michayla's character and claimed she wanted to show people how

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Speaker 1: she actually treated Michayla during their friendship, and did so

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Speaker 1: by sharing a screenshot discussing Michayla's schizophrenia. It's interesting that

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Speaker 1: the top story of twenty twenty five was the cancelation

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Speaker 1: of Anna Paul. Yet I have felt the tits turning

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Speaker 1: in terms of people getting over this witch hunt against influences.

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Speaker 1: I think, particularly Indie Clinton has shifted the narrative and said, okay,

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Speaker 1: hang on influences of people too. I get trolled, you know,

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Speaker 1: unmasking the trolls. I think there has been this shift

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Speaker 1: and people are a bit more empathetic to influences there.

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Speaker 1: But that being said, I think that these claims that

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Speaker 1: michaela made were so serious in nature that I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad that people did take notice. But in saying that,

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Speaker 1: I mean we say she was canceled. Okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: she's had a very tough year. But in saying that,

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Speaker 1: she hardly lost any followers. She you know, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: her skincare company, Polly has taken a hit, but she's

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Speaker 1: still online, she's still sharing content, she's still you know,

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Speaker 1: traveling around the world, living a very glamorous life. And

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Speaker 1: I think that in twenty twenty six we'll see a

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Speaker 1: bit of a bigger return from her. It will be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see what happens. That is where we are

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Speaker 1: going to leave things. What a huge year it has been.

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Speaker 1: I would love to have a crystal ball and see

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Speaker 1: what the top stories are going to be next year. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's very well to see what can happen in the year. Well,

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Speaker 1: we are going to be making some predictions about what

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Speaker 1: is going to happen in the influencer space in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six, so I can't wait to share those with

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Speaker 1: you very soon. This episode was recorded on the traditional

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Speaker 1: land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. We

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Speaker 1: pay respect to elders past and present,